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Title: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 15, 2007, 08:34:46 AM
Here's the updated list of people attending Penn in the fall from LSD

Teacher
Rokomotion
Outlaw22
Sfmeg
MahlerGrooves
fulbrighter
jsweinbe
Phlootist (99% sure)


If you belong on this list just let me know  :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 15, 2007, 11:19:13 AM
I think there's only 6 of us at this point...but the thread's gotta start sometime
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on December 15, 2007, 04:39:07 PM
Well then i'll be a proud member :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on December 16, 2007, 12:05:27 PM
Wow, you guys started a lot earlier than we did.  Congrats!  Let me know if you have any questions.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on December 18, 2007, 06:43:52 PM
Hello class of 2011!  1L here. Had CivPro today and although we have Contracts left, I consider the semester to essentially be over.  So if anybody has any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

Also, hi Team Pam.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on December 18, 2007, 07:39:38 PM
Hello class of 2011!  1L here. Had CivPro today and although we have Contracts left, I consider the semester to essentially be over.  So if anybody has any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

Also, hi Team Pam.

Hi Rusty.  :)  Did you enjoy the multiple choice from hell?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on December 18, 2007, 07:44:16 PM
and since i'm in the same boat as rusty and pam, i'll throw my hat into the ring too- congrats on getting in, and fire away with any questions you guys have.  one of the 2Ls here answered some of my questions that I had before making my decision, and it really helped me make what I think was the best choice for me, so I hope I can be of some help to you guys!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on December 18, 2007, 08:17:37 PM
Hello class of 2011!  1L here. Had CivPro today and although we have Contracts left, I consider the semester to essentially be over.  So if anybody has any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

Also, hi Team Pam.

Hi Rusty.  :)  Did you enjoy the multiple choice from hell?

Eh.  Wax was quite tricky with several of the questions.  But I expected her to be that way.

I bet she was laughing maniacally while she was writing the questions.  I didn't think the essay was too tough, though.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on December 18, 2007, 08:38:32 PM
Hi guys.  Congrats on being done!

I have a few questions...

1.  I've heard differing opinions on the whole housing situation.  I'm now leaning toward trying to find an apartment in Center City.  Good idea?  Also, when should I start looking, and what's the best way for going about all of that?

2.  I'm guessing that because I applied ED, I'm screwed for financial aid.  Nevertheless, do you have any suggestions on how to improve my chances at any?

3.  I hear that most Penn students aren't too interested in clerkships.  I really am, though.  Is Penn not strong in that area (relative to similar schools), or is it more of a self-selection result?  Also, do you have any advice on early steps to take to prepare for trying to get one from Penn?

4.  What mistakes did you make as a 0/early 1L?

5.  How do you personally go about explaining to people that Penn is not the same thing as Penn State?   :D

Thanks!  Looking forward to next year.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: 'tiki on December 18, 2007, 09:03:45 PM
Congrats to the 2011 peeps! Hopefully, we will see you all next year and/or at ASW. Since Team Pam, Rusty and m1 are all from the same section, I guess I should represent my own. One more final to go, woot!

Rokomotion, to answer your questions...

1.  I've heard differing opinions on the whole housing situation.  I'm now leaning toward trying to find an apartment in Center City.  Good idea?  Also, when should I start looking, and what's the best way for going about all of that?

I personally live in CC and I love it. I like the whole idea of leaving school once I am done for the day and being walking distance from bars and clubs in CC, but many of my friends live in Sansom and they like it. It is certainly cheaper and closer and you are around many other 1Ls. I suggest you visit to evaluate where you want to live. In terms of the market here, you should start around April since landlords typically do not know if they have spaces until 60-90 days before the start of the lease.

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2.  I'm guessing that because I applied ED, I'm screwed for financial aid.  Nevertheless, do you have any suggestions on how to improve my chances at any?

Penn is quite generous with financial aid, I would say to wait and see what you get first and then ask and beg for more (it really does not hurt). In terms of ED, I applied ED for UG and still got great financial and got more when I asked for it.

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3.  I hear that most Penn students aren't too interested in clerkships.  I really am, though.  Is Penn not strong in that area (relative to similar schools), or is it more of a self-selection result?  Also, do you have any advice on early steps to take to prepare for trying to get one from Penn?

It is true Penn does not perform as well in terms of Clerkships compared with HYS, Chicago, etc. However, it may be due to self selection so it is hard to tell. I can tell you that one of my 3L friends got one, my LW instructor has one, and I have an interview already lined up for the summer with a judge. So it certainly is quite possible.

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4.  What mistakes did you make as a 0/early 1L?

You have to be a little bit more specific as to what you mean by this. =P

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5.  How do you personally go about explaining to people that Penn is not the same thing as Penn State?   :D

I personally have not had that problem because people from back home don't know either and because my friends UG all know Penn. I think the confusion issue is a little overstated but if people think Penn State just respond "Nah, I mean the Ivy League one." It's a little pretentious but it works.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on December 18, 2007, 09:15:51 PM
Hi guys.  Congrats on being done!

I have a few questions...

1.  I've heard differing opinions on the whole housing situation.  I'm now leaning toward trying to find an apartment in Center City.  Good idea?  Also, when should I start looking, and what's the best way for going about all of that?

2.  I'm guessing that because I applied ED, I'm screwed for financial aid.  Nevertheless, do you have any suggestions on how to improve my chances at any?

3.  I hear that most Penn students aren't too interested in clerkships.  I really am, though.  Is Penn not strong in that area (relative to similar schools), or is it more of a self-selection result?  Also, do you have any advice on early steps to take to prepare for trying to get one from Penn?

4.  What mistakes did you make as a 0/early 1L?

5.  How do you personally go about explaining to people that Penn is not the same thing as Penn State?   :D

Thanks!  Looking forward to next year.

I'll answer what I can.

Housing - I live in University City this year but next year I'm most likely moving out to Center City.  The question is would you prefer to be closer to the LS or closer to the bars.  University City is fine as far as the essentials, but there is almost nothing to speak of as far as quality bars.  There's a good pub across from the LS and there are some good sports bars but the main hang outs are in Center City or Old City.  Personally, the main reason I lived in University City was because I wasn't familiar with the area, so I figured that it would be better to live closer to the law school.

Also, West Philly is relatively safe.  I'm living out on 42nd and I've never really felt scared walking home at night.

Financial Aid - Can't speak to that, cause I didn't apply ED.

Clerkship - I don't know whether the lack is due to strength or due to lack of interest.  I do know that I plan on working at a judicial internship over the summer in Texas.  I've applied to several Federal judges and of course, there were a lot of judges that don't hire interns, or don't hire 1Ls in particular but I've gotten alot of good responses too.  I've already received an offer, I've had a phone interview with the clerks of a district judge in Dallas, and I've set up some interviews with a couple of judges over the Christmas Break.  So there is definitely a chance for internships.  I think as far as a clerkship goes, it primarily depends on how well you do on grades, or at least that's the way it seems.  I would think that if you can pull good grades and you show the interest then you should have no problem getting a clerkship.

Mistakes as a 0/1L - As far as what to do leading up to your first year, I would say do nothing.  Have fun, work, make money,read, play games, whatever.  I wouldn't recommend doing any prep tests or anything like that.  While personally I didn't take any prep classes, so I don't know if they help or not, it just seems like they wouldn't be that helpful.  Most of the teachers have such diverse teaching styles and their classes cover such different things, that a prep course likely wouldn't help all that much  During this semester, I went out quite abit, at least at the first of the semester.  I would totally recommend that, because it allows you to kinda bond with your other classmates and you can gain alot of friendships this way.  I don't really know about any major mistakes or regrets for this semester.  I guess since Contracts final is upcoming, I made the mistake of not paying enough attention in Contracts.

Penn State - Funny thing is there is shirt that they sell in the campus bookstore that says "Not Penn State" on it. ;D  But yeah, if your family or friends don't know the difference then get used to it, because it'll happen alot.  Just make sure that if you do have to explain it, drop the following words "Philadelphia" "Private" "Ivy League" and "Benjamin Franklin"  ;) This lets people know how super prestigious you are for going to Penn.  8)

Also, if there's anyone who isn't sure about Penn, I would advise you to visit.  For me, Penn was not even on my radar until I went to the admitted student's day and saw how good it was.  Also, if you do visit, don't be too shy to talk to the law students.  Most everyone is friendly and if they are not, just tell us who they were and they will be shunned.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: 'tiki on December 18, 2007, 09:36:26 PM
Hi Rusty,

Good to hear you have offers and interviews lined up.

P.S. To the OP, Outlaw22, it would be cool if you made a list of those LSD people that are attending for sure and those that haven't decided on the original post.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 19, 2007, 08:47:22 AM
Hi Rusty,

Good to hear you have offers and interviews lined up.

P.S. To the OP, Outlaw22, it would be cool if you made a list of those LSD people that are attending for sure and those that haven't decided on the original post.

List is up.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 19, 2007, 10:06:31 AM
What types of organizations/journals, if any, are you involved in/would you recommend?

Anyone taking advantage of the joint degree programs?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on December 19, 2007, 01:19:50 PM
I already live in Philadelphia (9th and Spruce, represent!), so housing is not an issue for me.

What I AM concerned with, however, is the financial aid situation.  I realize that by applying ED, I basically gave up the right to complain and beg.  However, does that mean that they will shaft me just because they know they can?  I don;t get that sense, but I do wonder...

Regarding clerkships, I too am interested in securing one.  I hear there is a faculty clerkship committee.  Is this true?  Is it helpful?

With journal selection, is the writing competition more important, are grades, or is making nice with the current editorial board?  Also, can you elaborate on the writing competition a bit and how it works?

And finally... I have heard so much about Penn being the friendly law school:  even though it is competitive, it isn't at the expense of a sense of community.  Is that true?  I am a highly competitive person within myself, but I love being in an atmosphere of helpful people who are smart rather than people who have to sabotage others.

Oh, and WHERE THE HELL can I get a Penn Law shirt!?  The bookstore doesn't have ANY Law School stuff!

Thanks!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 19, 2007, 07:05:46 PM
You can go ahead and add my name to the list.  I deferred admission from last year and will be attending Penn Law in the fall.  I am an older, non-traditional applicant, and, hopefully, won't be the old man of the class.  Anyway, I'm looking forward to meeting all of you in 2008.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 19, 2007, 07:07:53 PM
You can go ahead and add my name to the list.  I deferred admission from last year and will be attending Penn Law in the fall.  I am an older, non-traditional applicant, and, hopefully, won't be the old man of the class.  ;D  Anyway, I'm looking forward to meeting all of you in 2008.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 20, 2007, 06:17:43 AM
Sorry, brother...I've got you beat.  I'll be a week from turning 40 when classes start--but I'm a very young 39.  39 is the new 29.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 20, 2007, 06:43:24 AM
Anyone else who got a phone call still waiting for the letter/package to come in the mail? If not, when did yours come?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on December 20, 2007, 08:19:14 AM
I've received nothing in the mail. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 20, 2007, 12:18:24 PM
Sorry, brother...I've got you beat.  I'll be a week from turning 40 when classes start--but I'm a very young 39.  39 is the new 29.
Well, if 39 is the new 29, then I'll have to be the old man, seeing as I've past 29.  :)

Seriously, I was at a party with a bunch of other Teach for America corps members (23-25) and we were playing a game where people voted on certain qualities about each other.  The question that came up for me was, which of the seven dwarfs would I be.  I'm hoping for bashful or sleepy.  No, in unison, everyone said "Doc."   :D hahahahahaha.  :-[ sigh  :'(

Teacher, feel free to take the "old man of the class" spot.  I will happily hand it over.  I think there is someone in their 50s in the Class of 2010, so there's the possibility we could both be outdone in the coming months.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 20, 2007, 01:41:15 PM
Oh pleeeeze let there be someone that old.  By the way, where did you do your fulbright?

I did my Fulbright in Mexico (1999-2000) and had a blast--and that's with a family in tow.  :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 20, 2007, 02:01:07 PM
Tell me where you were?  I have lived on the U.S. Mexico border for 6 years and I lived in Monterrey this summer.

I lived in Monterrey.  I attended ITESM (EGADE) and worked at BANORTE (in structured financing and syndications).
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 20, 2007, 02:56:26 PM
Small world.

It is definitely a small world.  Are there any former JET participants out there who will attending Penn next year?  I was an ALT in Kumamoto Prefecture from 1996-98.  Any former military?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Eggshell Shin Vosburg on December 20, 2007, 03:31:07 PM
Small world.

It is definitely a small world.  Are there any former JET participants out there who will attending Penn next year?  I was an ALT in Kumamoto Prefecture from 1996-98.  Any former military?

I think there is a student who did JET in the class of 2010, but I'm not 100% sure.

I can confirm that 2010 has a gentlemen over the age of 50. He's a nice guy.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 20, 2007, 04:25:24 PM
I'm former military.  Please don't tell my you're former TFA.

You're in luck.  I'm not former TFA.  As to my military background, I am former Marine Recon (enlisted/active duty service) and am currently a reserve Naval Intel Officer.  There will be so many interesting folks at Penn Law.  It should be a blast.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on December 20, 2007, 04:34:55 PM
I'm not TFA or military, but I can be interesting.

I'll even do a little dance upon request  :D

j/k.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 20, 2007, 04:52:57 PM
I was active duty Army as a Patriot Missile Operator/Mechanic.

Roko, If you can do a little dance upon request, you're probably more interesting than me.  ;)  I've had a couple of girlfriends teach me latin dancing, but I've promptly forgotten them once we broke up.

I currently work for Raytheon, and they build the Patriot Missle System (although it's not what I do)--another connection in this small world.  :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: jsweinbe on December 20, 2007, 10:06:33 PM
Add me to the list as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In terms of summer jobs this year any advice?  Should I aim for a philidelphia firm if i'd liek to work there during my second year as well?

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on December 21, 2007, 05:03:10 AM
  I think there is someone in their 50s in the Class of 2010, so there's the possibility we could both be outdone in the coming months.

Tis true, there's a 55+ year old surgeon in one of the sections in the class of 2010.  Nice guy.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on December 21, 2007, 08:12:15 AM
Add me to the list as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In terms of summer jobs this year any advice?  Should I aim for a philidelphia firm if i'd liek to work there during my second year as well?



Is it even possible to work for a firm BEFORE 1L year starts?  Now I'm going to have to look into this...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on December 21, 2007, 08:24:14 PM
people do it all the time, although the work you will be doing at a firm before law school is absolutely nothing like the work you will be doing during your 1L and 2L summers there.  I worked for a firm and a judge while I was in college, and both were amazing experiences, but what I did during those two summers was not like what i'll be doing this summer
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on December 21, 2007, 10:56:06 PM
people do it all the time, although the work you will be doing at a firm before law school is absolutely nothing like the work you will be doing during your 1L and 2L summers there.  I worked for a firm and a judge while I was in college, and both were amazing experiences, but what I did during those two summers was not like what i'll be doing this summer

Aren't you supposed to be driving home?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on December 22, 2007, 06:01:41 AM
people do it all the time, although the work you will be doing at a firm before law school is absolutely nothing like the work you will be doing during your 1L and 2L summers there.  I worked for a firm and a judge while I was in college, and both were amazing experiences, but what I did during those two summers was not like what i'll be doing this summer


How do you go about this?  I have a friend who works for a big firm here in Philly, and I;m wondering if these firms hire 0Ls as well.  Just wondering how to apply to people for a job when I;m not in school yet.  Could Penn's career office help me or will they not care until I am actually a 1L?

Thanks!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on December 22, 2007, 10:28:34 AM
people do it all the time, although the work you will be doing at a firm before law school is absolutely nothing like the work you will be doing during your 1L and 2L summers there.  I worked for a firm and a judge while I was in college, and both were amazing experiences, but what I did during those two summers was not like what i'll be doing this summer


How do you go about this?  I have a friend who works for a big firm here in Philly, and I;m wondering if these firms hire 0Ls as well.  Just wondering how to apply to people for a job when I;m not in school yet.  Could Penn's career office help me or will they not care until I am actually a 1L?

Thanks!

Talk to your friend!  Start networking and letting it be known that you're looking for legal work.  I'm pretty sure Penn can't do anything for you until you're actually a student, though.  As m1 said, there's a huge difference between the internships you get as a law student and the jobs available to you with only a bachelor's degree, but it's still very valuable experience.  And if you totally hate it, then at least you'll have figured that out before wasting $180k on a JD.  ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on December 22, 2007, 09:32:27 PM
i got mine through personal connections, to be honest.  use any connection you have or can find, or even just network with alumni from your alma mater. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on December 22, 2007, 10:34:33 PM
i got mine through personal connections, to be honest.  use any connection you have or can find, or even just network with alumni from your alma mater. 

Hey m1, how bout them Cowboys?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on December 23, 2007, 02:42:11 AM
Welcome, newbies!

still up working on the ol' seminar paper... i love the seminars, but one thing about 'em is it's really a license to procrastinate...  ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on December 23, 2007, 03:03:32 AM
3.  I hear that most Penn students aren't too interested in clerkships.  I really am, though.  Is Penn not strong in that area (relative to similar schools), or is it more of a self-selection result?  Also, do you have any advice on early steps to take to prepare for trying to get one from Penn?

I'll tackle this one, since I'm starting to think about what judges I'm going to apply to.  Nowhere does the prestige of your school matters more than on your clerkship application.  While HYS are clearly tops, Penn does pretty well.  We have two Supreme Court clerks this term, and a 3L got Kozinski for next year (largely considered a feeder for a SCOTUS clerkship). 

You can check out the circuit breakdown here:  http://lawschoolclerkship.blogspot.com/
Not surprisingly, the hiring is in part geographic--so as you can see, Penn is rocking the 3rd Circuit, Chi dominates the 7th, and Columbia does well in the 2nd (although the 2nd, like the 1st, is dominated by HY, and if you're not magna... good luck).  Keep in mind, these stats are for Circuit clerkships only, and in many cases working for a District Court judge is actually a better decision if you hope to improve your litigation skills.  I worked for a judge in the EDPA last summer, and it was fantastic.  That said, if I can get decent 2L grades I'll probably shoot for the 3rd, 7th, D.C., and 9th Circuits.... we'll see.  I'll also likely apply to some SDNY district court judges, but many of those clerkships are just as difficult to land as federal appellate.  [This is where you make fun of me for being a gunner.]

As far as preferences, I know quite a few people looking towards clerkships.  But as always, the money at a law firm is very appealing, and it's hard to accept that I'll have to be poor for another year.   :(  Also, some people choose to delay their applications for a year or two to pay off loans.

If you're seriously considering gunning for a federal appellate court, you need great grades, great recs, and generally Law Review.  You'll also want to work hard to become a great legal writer (and hopefully get honors in legal writing).... while many people don't put a lot of effort into the course because it's pass/fail, legal writing is crucial for your role as a clerk.

More advice here: http://ms-jd.org/clerkship-applications-2ls-start-your-engines

Oh, and one other thing:  don't forget that you can clerk in Hawaii and Puerto Rico!  8)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on December 23, 2007, 06:26:54 AM
Legapp, why couldn't you have told me that about legal writing BEFORE I was halfway through the course? :p
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on December 23, 2007, 06:36:33 AM
Thanks for the clerkship advice!  It was very helpful.   :)

I had another question.  I'm extremely interested in constitutional law, and especially how it relates to legal and constitutional history.

Am I doomed to only shoot for academia (don't really want it) or a government position, or are there any specific firms that specialize in constitutional issues (Bill of Rights?!)

Will I never make money?   :D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on December 23, 2007, 07:28:20 AM
3.  I hear that most Penn students aren't too interested in clerkships.  I really am, though.  Is Penn not strong in that area (relative to similar schools), or is it more of a self-selection result?  Also, do you have any advice on early steps to take to prepare for trying to get one from Penn?

I'll tackle this one, since I'm starting to think about what judges I'm going to apply to.  Nowhere does the prestige of your school matters more than on your clerkship application.  While HYS are clearly tops, Penn does pretty well.  We have two Supreme Court clerks this term, and a 3L got Kozinski for next year (largely considered a feeder for a SCOTUS clerkship). 

You can check out the circuit breakdown here:  http://lawschoolclerkship.blogspot.com/
Not surprisingly, the hiring is in part geographic--so as you can see, Penn is rocking the 3rd Circuit, Chi dominates the 7th, and Columbia does well in the 2nd (although the 2nd, like the 1st, is dominated by HY, and if you're not magna... good luck).  Keep in mind, these stats are for Circuit clerkships only, and in many cases working for a District Court judge is actually a better decision if you hope to improve your litigation skills.  I worked for a judge in the EDPA last summer, and it was fantastic.  That said, if I can get decent 2L grades I'll probably shoot for the 3rd, 7th, D.C., and 9th Circuits.... we'll see.  I'll also likely apply to some SDNY district court judges, but many of those clerkships are just as difficult to land as federal appellate.  [This is where you make fun of me for being a gunner.]

As far as preferences, I know quite a few people looking towards clerkships.  But as always, the money at a law firm is very appealing, and it's hard to accept that I'll have to be poor for another year.   :(  Also, some people choose to delay their applications for a year or two to pay off loans.

If you're seriously considering gunning for a federal appellate court, you need great grades, great recs, and generally Law Review.  You'll also want to work hard to become a great legal writer (and hopefully get honors in legal writing).... while many people don't put a lot of effort into the course because it's pass/fail, legal writing is crucial for your role as a clerk.

More advice here: http://ms-jd.org/clerkship-applications-2ls-start-your-engines

Oh, and one other thing:  don't forget that you can clerk in Hawaii and Puerto Rico!  8)


THANK YOU!!!  I actually printed this out and put it in my Penn folder in my file cabinet.  Would any current Penn students care to introduce me around the community next semester?  I live in Philly and really want to get a jump on feeling part of Penn.

Thanks!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on December 23, 2007, 11:44:38 AM
Legapp, why couldn't you have told me that about legal writing BEFORE I was halfway through the course? :p

LOL, it's not too late!  Have you done your reading?  I didn't realize until about halfway through the semester that  I was basically the only one in my class doing it....  it's really helpful.  If you haven't, catch up over break.

If you're not understanding something, be sure to go to your teacher for help.  My LWI was AMAZING--not only did she help with improving my writing, but she also held a special session for us on how to do Westlaw research.  Unlike the library session on Westlaw, it was incredibly helpful.  You'll use Westlaw or Lexis constantly in the courts and at a firm, so it helps to know all the tricks.  :)

I'm sure you're a wonderful writer, so you can't have far to go.  Just think about how the poor engineering people are struggling!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on December 23, 2007, 12:19:18 PM
Thanks for the clerkship advice!  It was very helpful.   :)

I had another question.  I'm extremely interested in constitutional law, and especially how it relates to legal and constitutional history.

Am I doomed to only shoot for academia (don't really want it) or a government position, or are there any specific firms that specialize in constitutional issues (Bill of Rights?!)

Will I never make money?   :D

First, you'll soon realize that "constitutional law" encompasses a vast array of practices areas.  What are you most interested in?  Next summer, I'll be working in a field that relies heavily on First Amendment law, so it is possible.

As for this history part of your question:  at a firm, you won't find any job where the majority of your day is spent researching the history of the constitution.  On the other hand, depending on your field, you'll certainly be interpreting "legislative intent," although generally for more recent statutes.   

If you wanted to go the public interest route, there are several organizations dedicated to protected constitutional rights--the Brennan Center for Justice and the Center for Constitutional Rights are two such places.  Also, some small firms focus on civil rights, including the small Philly firm headed by Prof. Rudovsky (I watched his partner argue a First Amendment case last summer).  These firms tend to focus on filing 1983 claims, named for the title of the code that allows private citizens to sue the government when they believe their constitutional rights have been infringed.

As for law firms, the first practice area I'd look at is Appellate Litigation. I don't know a ton about D.C. firms, but here are a few examples:

http://www.gibsondunn.com/practices/Pages/acl.aspx 
http://www.hhlaw.com/practiceAreas/areas_module.aspx?op=&pfirmService=589&firmService=4
http://www.cov.com/practice/litigation/appellate_supreme_court/

You might also consider Administrative Law, which, if you're like me as a 0L, you probably know nothing about.  Of all the areas I've been exposed to so far, admin has dealt the most with separation of power issues and constraints on the various branches of government.  As far as a practice, you would generally focus on one regulatory agency and the surrounding law (so you'd be looking at environmental law, communications, energy regulations, etc).

The bad news is, both of these specialties generally require you to work in D.C.... which, I guess depending on where you were hoping to end up, may not be such bad news.  :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: rsr28 on December 23, 2007, 06:22:55 PM
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I'm sure you're a wonderful writer, so you can't have far to go.  Just think about how the poor engineering people are struggling!

 :o I'm actually a little bit surprised to hear this.  From my experience, engineers have to write in a rather legal manner.  When you're writing a technical document you have to be clear to provide a very precise level of detail (not too much, not too little) and state things very explicitly.  The writing is very formulaic and requires dumbing-down revision, which from I've heard, also holds for legal writing.  It's certainly not (typically) elegant though.

Do you have any anecdotal evidence of engineers getting rocked by LW (when their other credentials would suggest they'd be successful)?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on December 23, 2007, 09:14:59 PM

Do you have any anecdotal evidence of engineers getting rocked by LW (when their other credentials would suggest they'd be successful)?

Anecdotal--my dad was top of his class in engineering, but once he got to LS he realized he couldn't write at all.  There's one person at Penn who really struggled with legal writing, and he was a science guy (in my head, I put that in the same category as engineering, although they're probably very different).  I revised some of his work.  The problem was picking up on the right details or following the right formula; he just didn't have the right tone and flow.  It didn't sound natural.

If you're concerned, you might want to check out Legal Writing in Plain English by Bryan Garner... but I wouldn't worry too much.  By now, I'm sure you know if you're a strong writer.

Hey, I just realized something else!  I'm applying to be a legal writing instructor... which means some of you guys might be in my class.   :D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Fulbrighter on December 24, 2007, 05:23:24 PM
Happy Holidays to everyone!!!  I hope everyone enjoys their time with friends and family.  See you guys (and gals) later in 2008.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: another_prelaw on December 25, 2007, 12:10:05 PM
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I'm sure you're a wonderful writer, so you can't have far to go.  Just think about how the poor engineering people are struggling!

 :o I'm actually a little bit surprised to hear this.  From my experience, engineers have to write in a rather legal manner.  When you're writing a technical document you have to be clear to provide a very precise level of detail (not too much, not too little) and state things very explicitly.  The writing is very formulaic and requires dumbing-down revision, which from I've heard, also holds for legal writing.  It's certainly not (typically) elegant though.

Do you have any anecdotal evidence of engineers getting rocked by LW (when their other credentials would suggest they'd be successful)?

I'm coming from an engineering degree and my legal writing instructor has complimented my work...it's all about you, personally.  Granted, I was advised in college that I should be ready to write, so I ended up taking more writing classes than my major required.  But no, engineering background does not equal automatic trouble in legal writing.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on December 26, 2007, 11:22:03 AM
Thank you so much for all of you guys's help!  It's been great.

I was also wondering another thing:

What, do you think, is the biggest complaint/unhappiness that Penn students have with Penn Law?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on December 27, 2007, 07:19:39 AM
Thank you so much for all of you guys's help!  It's been great.

I was also wondering another thing:

What, do you think, is the biggest complaint/unhappiness that Penn students have with Penn Law?

That's easy: It's in Philadelphia.

Yup.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on December 27, 2007, 07:49:56 AM
Thank you so much for all of you guys's help!  It's been great.

I was also wondering another thing:

What, do you think, is the biggest complaint/unhappiness that Penn students have with Penn Law?

That's easy: It's in Philadelphia.

Yup.

I don't like Philly much.  I've lived here for over a year and still miss NY.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 27, 2007, 07:58:14 AM
hmmm.. I actually really like Philly  :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on December 27, 2007, 08:00:47 AM
hmmm.. I actually really like Philly  :)

The things I don't like about it aren't physical, though.  It is that Philly is such a REGIONAL minded city:  what happens outside the Delaware Valley doesn't even seem to factor in.  It's like either you're Philly from birth or an outsider.  NY, on the other hand, thinks INTERNATIONALLY, it is not a box.  I just need more global and less local, I guess.

But it IS nice to be able to actually afford a nice apartment and food.  NY is WAY too expensive.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 04, 2008, 01:00:29 PM
So what exactly goes on at ASW?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on January 04, 2008, 06:13:53 PM
So what exactly goes on at ASW?

Drunken hookups, mostly.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 04, 2008, 06:16:12 PM
So what exactly goes on at ASW?

Drunken hookups, mostly.

I'm engaged.  Weak.  She lives in the city.  Super Weak.  Can I drunken hookup with her, or is it bad form to bring a SO to an ASW drink fest?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on January 04, 2008, 07:07:31 PM
So what exactly goes on at ASW?

Drunken hookups, mostly.

I'm engaged.  Weak.  She lives in the city.  Super Weak.  Can I drunken hookup with her, or is it bad form to bring a SO to an ASW drink fest?

My year, several people brought their SOs (and there weren't any drunken hookups that I can recall--what were you crazy 1Ls up to?!  :D).

It's pretty much the same routine at all the schools I saw:  mock class(es), tours of the law and UG schools, presentations by the staff.  At night, getting drunk with the other 0Ls and current students.

If you're undecided, seeing the schools is a good way to make up your mind.  If you're already committed, a large percentage of the ASW people will attend Penn, so you'll meet some future classmates.  It's fun--I would definitely advise going (at least to the social events!).
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 04, 2008, 07:15:24 PM
So what exactly goes on at ASW?

Drunken hookups, mostly.

I'm engaged.  Weak.  She lives in the city.  Super Weak.  Can I drunken hookup with her, or is it bad form to bring a SO to an ASW drink fest?

My year, several people brought their SOs (and there weren't any drunken hookups that I can recall--what were you crazy 1Ls up to?!  :D).

It's pretty much the same routine at all the schools I saw:  mock class(es), tours of the law and UG schools, presentations by the staff.  At night, getting drunk with the other 0Ls and current students.

If you're undecided, seeing the schools is a good way to make up your mind.  If you're already committed, a large percentage of the ASW people will attend Penn, so you'll meet some future classmates.  It's fun--I would definitely advise going (at least to the social events!).

I am planning on going to everything ESPECIALLY since I am committed.  I want to meet as many people (students and faculty) as possible.

I know there are other threads about this, but is it bad form for me to bring my fiancee (she will be my wife by the time I start at Penn) to all of the ASW events?  She is REALLY supportive and wants to see everything, even the "boring administrative stuff" as she calls it.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on January 05, 2008, 07:53:50 AM
So what exactly goes on at ASW?

Drunken hookups, mostly.

I'm engaged.  Weak.  She lives in the city.  Super Weak.  Can I drunken hookup with her, or is it bad form to bring a SO to an ASW drink fest?

My year, several people brought their SOs (and there weren't any drunken hookups that I can recall--what were you crazy 1Ls up to?!  :D).


I was just kidding.  :D  Especially since Penn ASW was two weeks before my wedding.  But it IS a good time to stir up trouble on LSD -- last year there was an awesome (and sadly false) rumor that Saja and Hank hooked up at Columbia ASW.

I don't remember meeting any SOs at ASW last year, but I don't think it would have been that weird.  It *was* weird when people brought their parents, though.  Also weird was the girl who showed up in a very short, bright blue dress and ballet flats.  In rainy, cold Philadelphia, in March.  Everyone called her "dress girl".  Don't be dress girl.  Wear jeans.

Also, if you get overwhelmed with all the events, it's okay to skip out on one and just walk around and get a feel for the school.  (Especially something like the career planning panel.)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on January 05, 2008, 11:32:57 AM
I second Pam!  I was just about to write about how some people brought parents... which was very strange.  You're in grad school!  Leave the nest! 

You'd certainly be in the minority bringing an SO to the daytime events, and honestly, after the first panel discussion she'll probably  want to duck out.  I doubt anyone will even notice her, assuming she looks like a future law student.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: quincym on January 11, 2008, 06:22:57 AM
So am I going to see a bunch of you at the ASW?

I sure did appreciate the airfare compensation part of that email. Otherwise I probably would not've considered flying all the way up to Philly.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 11, 2008, 06:31:06 AM
Yep! As it gets closer we'll probably talk about ASW a lot more in our facebook group - University of Pennsylvania Law School Class of 2011. (which is open to anyone -even if you're just contemplating Penn). You should join!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: andywebbers on January 11, 2008, 07:28:44 AM
I cant find the penn law 2011 website on facebook.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: nike6075 on January 11, 2008, 07:53:00 AM
John, you may want to edit and PM andywebbers with that kind of info...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: quincym on January 11, 2008, 08:24:19 AM
People on this site are absurdly paranoid so kudos to you, John Moore in the Teach for America network
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: quincym on January 11, 2008, 08:47:24 AM
Maybe!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 11, 2008, 12:41:57 PM
Oh don't lie now, you're coming to Penn  ;D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 11, 2008, 02:14:07 PM
Maybe!

The exclamation point is the telling part.  Have you downloaded the screensaver yet?  It's sweet.

Screensaver??

Oh, and I am thinking of having a dinner for the LSD Penn people at my house in Philly during ASW.  Would there be interest?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 11, 2008, 06:06:39 PM
Would there be any Mahler being played?  That just might seal the deal for some of us.

There could very well be...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on January 11, 2008, 09:48:03 PM
When is ASW?  I'd come if I'm around, although if I recall the schedule doesn't leave much time for get-togethers...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 11, 2008, 10:44:31 PM
I'm psyched about ASW, last weekend of March.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 12, 2008, 08:09:26 AM
It is the last weekend in March.  I was thinking a brunch on Sunday before everyone went back home.

Any takers?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 12, 2008, 08:29:03 AM
I'm not sure yet what my travel plans are :)  We will see!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 13, 2008, 11:33:47 AM
It is the last weekend in March.  I was thinking a brunch on Sunday before everyone went back home.

Any takers?


You know I'm in  :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 13, 2008, 01:24:12 PM
It is the last weekend in March.  I was thinking a brunch on Sunday before everyone went back home.

Any takers?


You know I'm in  :)

I do indeed!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 13, 2008, 10:09:49 PM
The Penn trolls will dominate next year.  I predict a Penn presence that's equivalent to the current Michigan presence.  Your yield rate will be much higher and a few adcomms might not understand why.  :)

I really don't like the idea of becoming a "troll."  What about something more attractive, like a stallion?   :D

I definitely do see a pretty enthusiastic LSD Penn following emerging, which is kind of fun, I suppose.  Assuming it's warranted, that is...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 13, 2008, 10:31:33 PM
Let's hear a demo :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on January 15, 2008, 08:09:49 PM
If you're coming here, bring short sleeves and a winter coat to class. I swear half of my glasses are 100 degrees, and the other half are 40 degrees. Terrible.

Hmm... I think I may know your real identity now, Eggshell.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 17, 2008, 11:55:42 AM
For current Penn students,

How hard is it to make law review?  What does it take?  Also, how useful do you perceive Penn's secondary journals to be for career prospects/clerkships?  How difficult are they to get onto?

Thanks!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on January 17, 2008, 02:37:33 PM
I believe 20ish% of the class makes LR.  It is some "secret forumla," but it is around 50% grades, 25% essay, 25% editing (or so I'm told).  In all honesty, I know a lot of 2Ls who didn't even do the writing competition.  A good chunk of students don't think it is really beneficial if you have no desire for appellate clerkships or academia.  Only half the Wachtell offers last year went to people on law review.  I'd guess secondary journals are even less helpful for firm prospects.

For current Penn students,

How hard is it to make law review?  What does it take?  Also, how useful do you perceive Penn's secondary journals to be for career prospects/clerkships?  How difficult are they to get onto?

Thanks!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 17, 2008, 06:10:07 PM
Thanks Cady  :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on January 17, 2008, 10:15:59 PM
For current Penn students,

How hard is it to make law review?  What does it take?  Also, how useful do you perceive Penn's secondary journals to be for career prospects/clerkships?  How difficult are they to get onto?

Thanks!

I think I've posted about this before... but the deal is that if you're top 10%, grades wise, then you need only be in the top half of the writing competition (the editing and essay portions Cady described each count for half of that score).  If your grades are top 50%, you need to be in the top 10% of the writing competition.  That formula yield something like 35-40 people.  Then there are about 5-10 slots that go to people on the cusp (ie, top 15% grades, top 50% writing comp; and vice versa).  You'll write a personal statement, which won't matter unless you fall into that last category--and then it will matter a lot, because decisions are based almost entirely on your personal statement.

I made LR, and my grades aren't top 10%, so I definitely wrote on.  It was a big goal for me, so I treated the writing competition as seriously as another final.  I studied and tabbed the heck out of my Bluebook (the tabs are also very useful for cite checking this year!).  I did sample edits with an upperclassman who was a LR member.  I didn't leave the editing room the whole time, except for bathroom breaks (you're there for two days, ten hours per day... amazingly, the time flies by). 

There are a few benefits to being on LR.  First, I really like the substantive work, most of the time (yes, I'm a dork).  I like working something tangible, something that hopefully others will read.  I like learning about different areas of law by reading the articles I edit.  I've learned how to compose a scholarly article, and I will really really like it if I get published.   :) 

Second, there's something about the hazing element of LR that produces really strong friendships.  Penn LR is especially great socially, since we have loads of money from Bluebook sales (thanks all law students!).  Last semester, we had an open bar/ free food / free bowling night at this retro bowling alley in Northern Liberties.  This semester, we're going to Puerto Rico!!! (There's a copay for that one, but it's reasonable.)  We also have free food and soda, and sometimes beer.

Last, of course, are the doors being on LR can open for you.  If you want a Biglaw job, you can certainly get one without a journal.  Even so, if yout heart is set on a certain firm, it definitely can help make that happen for you.  I had two "dream firms" that practice a very small specialty, and are recognized as the best in the field.  They each hire 1-2 people for the summer, and I got offers at both (at one of those firms, every attorney had been on LR).  For clerkships, it's an enormous help... especially for someone who has decent but not amazing grades (if your grades are stellar, you're set for a federal clerkship regardless, but even at that level it may be necessary for a circuit clerkship).  For academia, it's essential.

As it gets closer to the writing competition, current 1Ls can feel free to PM me for advice.  I'd also strongly recommend paying attention in Legal Writing--about half my section seemed to completely ignore the Bluebooking section.  Even if you don't do a journal, you'll need it when you're practicing.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 18, 2008, 06:12:24 AM
Thanks LegApp!  I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on January 18, 2008, 09:37:50 AM
I was accepted to Penn on Wednesday via phone -- I am about 99% sure I am headed there!  I visited last summer and loved it!

When do you think I will get my acceptance package (I live on the west coast) and can someone tell me what is in it? 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 18, 2008, 09:41:40 AM
I was accepted to Penn on Wednesday via phone -- I am about 99% sure I am headed there!  I visited last summer and loved it!

When do you think I will get my acceptance package (I live on the west coast) and can someone tell me what is in it? 

Congratulations!  Join the facebook group I just sent a link to earlier.  Welcome to a club that seems to get happier and better by the moment.  You should get your acceptance package in a little over a week, I'd say (but not sure exactly).  You'll probably get a letter, a thick booklet of all the Penn faculty/professors, and perhaps another viewbook.  Finally, you'll get an email with instructions on how to access the Admitted Students website, etc.

What did you like about Penn when you visited?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on January 18, 2008, 09:55:32 AM
Roko -- I will join the Facebook group, sounds like a fun way to get to know everyone.

A friend of mine is currently a 3L at Penn and everything people say about the friendly culture is absolutely true.  She has had a lot of success there, and she's very happy -- it seems like a great fit!  Aside from that, I met with a few of the professors and they all seemed incredibly intelligent and engaging.  I sat in on Professor Ruger's Constitutional Law class and got to speak with some of the students and they all had great things to say about Penn.   Also, my friend and I just walked over to the Dean's office and he was happy to meet with me -- and we didn't even have an appointment or anything, which says a lot about them really caring for their students.  Finally, as someone that comes from a big state school, I am incredibly attracted to the small, private, Ivy League and beautiful campus that Penn has.

Thanks for the info on the admitted packet.  Hopefully I will get it soon -- I'm dying to see the stuff!

 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 18, 2008, 10:19:52 AM
I was accepted to Penn on Wednesday via phone -- I am about 99% sure I am headed there!  I visited last summer and loved it!

When do you think I will get my acceptance package (I live on the west coast) and can someone tell me what is in it? 

Congrats!!! - I added you to the list in the original post
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on January 18, 2008, 10:25:26 AM
Great, thanks!  (And I like the 99% sure note.  I put this because I left my application for Yale out there -- but I figure I have a less than 1% chance of being admitted, if that!)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: cerise on January 20, 2008, 05:59:21 AM
has anyone started looking at housing at penn for next year?  Any recommendations? 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on January 20, 2008, 10:22:05 AM
Live in center city.  If you are considering the dorms in University City, make sure you look at them first. 

has anyone started looking at housing at penn for next year?  Any recommendations? 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on January 20, 2008, 03:10:04 PM
Do you know anything about the high rise buildings in University City?  For example, Chestnut Hall? (It's on 39th and Chestnut).  I'm thinking about taking a look at it when I visit.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on January 20, 2008, 03:58:20 PM
Can you recommend some decently priced buildings in Center City that you know law students live in?  Thanks!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 20, 2008, 04:32:51 PM
I was wondering...do most people apartment search during/before/after ASW, or independantly?  How did you do it?  When did you start, and did you have to make extra trips to Philly to check out the places you were looking into?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on January 20, 2008, 04:35:27 PM
Yeah -- I'm wondering the same things.  I live in Arizona and it would be nice to get an apartment figured out during the ASW.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 20, 2008, 07:37:43 PM
The only thing I can offer as to housing is how my fiance and I went about finding our own apartment in Center City:

As for our apartment: Abby lived here the year before I moved here, so she started looking for it. We didn't use craigslist only because we knew we wanted something just for the two of us, and at that time, craigslist apartments were mainly for people who were interested in roommate situations.

We called local real estate companies and saw a lot of places. We had that luxury because she was already here and I was in NY, so I could pop down for an afternoon and see places if I had to. That being said, it ended up being a good idea because the places we DID see online tended to look MUCH different in person.

I would recommend the following management agencies: Plummer and Associates (ours) and Maxwell Realty (ours before plummer-we LOVE them). They tend to be the best in terms of service and assistance. Stay away from Philadelphia Management! They are AWFUL! Oh my God, could I tell you stories!! This was from whom Abby rented before I moved to Philly, and she had issue after issue.

Regarding timing, look no earlier than 3 months before. In Philly, landlords have to tell renters if they are not going to renew leases 1 month before the lease expires, but most follow the custom of allowing 3 months to find a new place. You will find most things 1-2 months out. We looked in May for a move-in date of July 1, and we found a place that had been on the market for 6 hours (that's right! Advantage of using an agency).

I do hope that helps. Philly is a nice place. I used to hate it and always compared it to NY, but I've come to love it. If I can help in any other way, please let me know.

-Chris
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on January 20, 2008, 09:11:15 PM
Chris --

Thanks so much for the suggestions. I had no idea about the three month thing, so that definitely gives me a better idea of when to start focusing on the housing.  As someone who is used to suburbs, finding big city housing seems like quite the challenge!  I am definitely looking forward to the big city living experience though! 

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: 'tiki on January 21, 2008, 12:02:43 PM
Hey everyone,

In terms of housing in Center City, some of the most popular apartment buildings for law students are Riverwest (21st & Chestnut), 2400 Chestnut, Rittenhouse Claridge (18th & Walnut), and a couple of others. Most of them are between $900-1300 with everything included. Craigslist is quite helpful and you will get more info by ASW to help your housing search.

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on January 21, 2008, 02:07:24 PM
Here is a comprehensive list of apartments...
http://www.business-services.upenn.edu/offcampusliving/maps/map.php?icons=true&map=ccity

Tiki's list is the three most popular.  2400 can be tough to get because 1L's and 2L's are putting themselves on the list now.  The Claridge tends to be have fewer 1Ls because it is a more expensive, but nicer, option.

You can also look into the brownstone townhouses in the area.  You get a lot more space for a cheaper price, but it takes more legwork in checking out the townhouses and calling the owners.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on January 21, 2008, 03:54:11 PM
I guess I'm the opposite of Mahler in terms of housing--I live in a Philadelphia Management apartment that I found on Craigslist.   :D  I don't think they're great, but they're one of the few management companies with dog-friendly listings... and I haven't found them to be awful.  I should mention that I'm also not very picky. (Incidentally, the dog-friendly highrises are Riverwest, Domus, and Riverloft--all but RW are ridiculously expensive.)

I live in a small apartment building near Fitler Square.  If you want to be in Center City--and trust me, you DO--you can find some good deals in this area.  One 2L here pays $850 for a huge one-bedroom in a brownstone.

If you want to be in a highrise, call them up and get on a waiting list.  Otherwise, the other posters are right about the time frame.  As far as CL goes, there are some great listings, but you basically need to snap something up the same day.  My place was there because a med student was breaking his lease--my sister is in Philly, so I had her go look at it maybe two hours after it was posted.... she was the first person to see the apt.  The student had already received more than 20 emails, and it's not even that nice!  I had her take it on the spot.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 23, 2008, 12:33:00 PM
I get to join this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I just got in this afternoon :)

I haven't decided yet, but Penn is absolutely one of the top contenders for my heart (Finaid will be the biggest sticking point, methinks).

I'll see you all at the ASW!!!!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 23, 2008, 12:51:31 PM
thanks!!!!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on January 24, 2008, 03:00:11 AM
I get to join this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I just got in this afternoon :)

I haven't decided yet, but Penn is absolutely one of the top contenders for my heart (Finaid will be the biggest sticking point, methinks).

I'll see you all at the ASW!!!!

Yay!  Your fancy new LSAT may well get you some financial aid.   :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 24, 2008, 04:23:03 AM

Yay!  Your fancy new LSAT may well get you some financial aid.   :)

Man, here's hoping.  My loans from undergrad are just about all I can handle.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on January 24, 2008, 05:27:12 AM

Yay!  Your fancy new LSAT may well get you some financial aid.   :)

Man, here's hoping.  My loans from undergrad are just about all I can handle.

If you're not happy with your original amount, you can try to use other schools' offers to bargain -- I did this last year, and while I didn't get them to match anywhere (grrr), I did get enough that I felt okay about choosing Penn.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 24, 2008, 09:25:59 AM
Anyone here going to the Feb. 22nd open house??

I am!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 24, 2008, 11:52:52 AM

Yay!  Your fancy new LSAT may well get you some financial aid.   :)

Man, here's hoping.  My loans from undergrad are just about all I can handle.

If you're not happy with your original amount, you can try to use other schools' offers to bargain -- I did this last year, and while I didn't get them to match anywhere (grrr), I did get enough that I felt okay about choosing Penn.

Okay, that's good to know.  Thanks :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 24, 2008, 12:00:53 PM
you can pm it to me if you want...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 24, 2008, 03:55:02 PM
I'm done with my "Why Penn?".  Can I send it to anyone for feedback, especially students?

Thanks for the help!

PM it to me too. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: bohemian_revolution on January 25, 2008, 04:47:59 PM
tag!!
I won't be able to attend any ASW so I need all the dirt I can get from current students/people going to the ASWs
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: antaresvi on January 27, 2008, 11:33:46 AM
I'll be at the ASW!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Penguin83 on January 28, 2008, 02:04:30 PM
has anyone who has been accepted NOT received the most recent packet of info? I am in the northeast...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 28, 2008, 02:36:05 PM
i'm in the mid-atlantic and haven't gotten the packet yet...but I was only accepted last wednesday.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 28, 2008, 02:40:14 PM
I was accepted two years ago and still haven't received it.  ;)

lol...really??
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 28, 2008, 02:51:38 PM
I was accepted two years ago and still haven't received it.  ;)

WOW. No other words, really.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on January 28, 2008, 04:10:16 PM
I was accepted via phone 1/16 and received my packet Saturday (west coast). 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on January 29, 2008, 05:22:01 AM
Hey, I just got it today (my mail comes late). 

It isn't like I was checking the mailbox for two years, but it is nice that it's finally here.

I do have to say that it's a bit like when Star Wars Episode I came out (you youngens aren't going to get this analogy at all).  I've been waiting so long--when I was accepted, it was just a single piece of paper--that nothing could live up to my expectations.  I wish they had included a decal for my car window or something.  What's worse is that a couple months back I went online to their bookstore and purchased a hat and a hoodie.  They called and said that they had discontinued that particular hat and that the hoodie was out of stock.   :(

You'll get a sticker sometime this summer.  :)  As for the shirt/hat, the main Penn bookstore won't carry law stuff because it's not profitable enough for them (which is annoying when you see that half the store is Wharton crap), so CSR (our student council) holds sales of Penn Law swag a few times a year.  They should be doing a table at ASW, so bring cash!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 30, 2008, 08:32:17 AM
I need some advice. My bday is coming up and my parents offered to get me a new laptop for school. In undergrad I always took notes by hand so I really have no conception of what works best for class/outlines. I also haven't done much research. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 30, 2008, 08:38:37 AM
I need some advice. My bday is coming up and my parents offered to get me a new laptop for school. In undergrad I always took notes by hand so I really have no conception of what works best for class/outlines. I also haven't done much research. Any suggestions?

woohoo for some activity in this thread!!!  the CLS folks are talking up a storm and i miss the Penn chatter  :)

there are a bunch of laptop-specific discussions on this board if you run a search.  i'm a mac girl, so i'll be totally biased towards everything mac makes.  the macbook air is the must-have item for fall, as long as you don't mind the lack of an internal CD drive.  i have a standard macbook right now (I installed my own 200GB harddrive), and I'll probably add windows XP to it (via bootcamp) before law school so I can run examsoft, if need be.  i adore my macbook and highly recommend them.

Everybody recommends OneNote notetaking software.  I've never tried it, but I get the sense that the "notebook" feature in Microsoft Word for Mac is almost identical to this program.  For those of you who use it...am I wrong?

Gawd, I cannot WAIT to go to law school...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 30, 2008, 08:51:49 AM

woohoo for some activity in this thread!!!  the CLS folks are talking up a storm and i miss the Penn chatter  :)

there are a bunch of laptop-specific discussions on this board if you run a search.  i'm a mac girl, so i'll be totally biased towards everything mac makes.  the macbook air is the must-have item for fall, as long as you don't mind the lack of an internal CD drive.  i have a standard macbook right now (I installed my own 200GB harddrive), and I'll probably add windows XP to it (via bootcamp) before law school so I can run examsoft, if need be.  i adore my macbook and highly recommend them.

Everybody recommends OneNote notetaking software.  I've never tried it, but I get the sense that the "notebook" feature in Microsoft Word for Mac is almost identical to this program.  For those of you who use it...am I wrong?

Gawd, I cannot WAIT to go to law school...

I've never had a mac before but I love the macbook air commercial :) It looks awesome. I had a Gateway laptop the 1st 2 years of college (spilled beer on it! oops!) and a Toshiba laptop since then. It's still in great shape so I'll keep that next year with all my music/personal stuff. I just need something for class/outlines etc... Would you recommend the macbook air or the regular macbook? 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 30, 2008, 08:57:08 AM
Also - is there an equivalent of a macbook in say a dell? or something else?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 30, 2008, 08:58:33 AM
Also - is there an equivalent of a macbook in say a dell? or something else?

the equivalent in a dell is shooting yourself in the face and having someone spit on your dead body.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 30, 2008, 09:01:25 AM
Also - is there an equivalent of a macbook in say a dell? or something else?

the equivalent in a dell is shooting yourself in the face and having someone spit on your dead body.

TITCR
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 30, 2008, 09:06:53 AM

the equivalent in a dell is shooting yourself in the face and having someone spit on your dead body.

haha ok then. So would you suggest a macbook or macbook air?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 30, 2008, 09:14:49 AM
Also - is there an equivalent of a macbook in say a dell? or something else?

the equivalent in a dell is shooting yourself in the face and having someone spit on your dead body.

TITCR


I made myself LOL for a few minutes after that post.  Pathetic, yes.  True, yes.



Outlaw, if you decide to go for either a MB or MBair, it'll really come down to the following factors:

* How much you enjoy being the cool kid with the newest gadget.  The MBair will definitely be the hot toy in Fall 08.  Some people really get off on having that kind of thing, other people could care less or shy away from it.
* Whether you need an internal CD drive.  The MBair doesn't have one.  You can either buy an external drive or use the CD drive ANOTHER computer wirelessly (software installation required).  It's kind of a drag for some (like me), but others don't use their laptop CD drive and wouldn't miss it.
* How much you care about lightness.  While the MB is hardly a goliath compared to the air, you save about two pounds going with the air.  Some folks have speculated that, with the weight of their books, they'd want to shave off a few pounds from their load.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 30, 2008, 09:31:28 AM


Outlaw, if you decide to go for either a MB or MBair, it'll really come down to the following factors:

* How much you enjoy being the cool kid with the newest gadget.  The MBair will definitely be the hot toy in Fall 08.  Some people really get off on having that kind of thing, other people could care less or shy away from it.
* Whether you need an internal CD drive.  The MBair doesn't have one.  You can either buy an external drive or use the CD drive ANOTHER computer wirelessly (software installation required).  It's kind of a drag for some (like me), but others don't use their laptop CD drive and wouldn't miss it.
* How much you care about lightness.  While the MB is hardly a goliath compared to the air, you save about two pounds going with the air.  Some folks have speculated that, with the weight of their books, they'd want to shave off a few pounds from their load.

Thanks so much. Let's see...I don't care at all about having the newest gadget - I just want what will work best. As for the CD Drive, I'll still have my Toshiba. And besides, I can't think of anything I would need a CD Drive for. Actually, now that I think about it - I'll probably need to connect the MBair to my printer (and that requires the installation cd, no?) And I'm sure some of this exam software requires software installation via CD. That's going to be really annoying. I'm so not techno- savvy. Darn - I was really leaning toward the MBair. Lightness would be ideal. I love my bike and I really want to bike to class. I also don't want a hunchback by age 30 so light laptop will be clutch.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 30, 2008, 09:48:14 AM


Outlaw, if you decide to go for either a MB or MBair, it'll really come down to the following factors:

* How much you enjoy being the cool kid with the newest gadget.  The MBair will definitely be the hot toy in Fall 08.  Some people really get off on having that kind of thing, other people could care less or shy away from it.
* Whether you need an internal CD drive.  The MBair doesn't have one.  You can either buy an external drive or use the CD drive ANOTHER computer wirelessly (software installation required).  It's kind of a drag for some (like me), but others don't use their laptop CD drive and wouldn't miss it.
* How much you care about lightness.  While the MB is hardly a goliath compared to the air, you save about two pounds going with the air.  Some folks have speculated that, with the weight of their books, they'd want to shave off a few pounds from their load.

Thanks so much. Let's see...I don't care at all about having the newest gadget - I just want what will work best. As for the CD Drive, I'll still have my Toshiba. And besides, I can't think of anything I would need a CD Drive for. Actually, now that I think about it - I'll probably need to connect the MBair to my printer (and that requires the installation cd, no?) And I'm sure some of this exam software requires software installation via CD. That's going to be really annoying. I'm so not techno- savvy. Darn - I was really leaning toward the MBair. Lightness would be ideal. I love my bike and I really want to bike to class. I also don't want a hunchback by age 30 so light laptop will be clutch.

watch the video tour of the MBAir.  I thought the CD drive thing would be annoying, but as soon as you see the "virtual CD drive" in action...it's pretty sweet.  you just have to do it in the vacinity of your other computer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xJEq7pXoi0

Skip to 5:40 for the video discussion about and demonstration of Remote Disk, which is the feature we're talking about.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 30, 2008, 10:50:17 AM
The other thing to decide is if an extra thousand dollars is worth it.  For me, it isn't.

But I'm sure the thin profile will come in handy when trying to save space in your bag.  Not that a regular MB is fat...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 30, 2008, 10:56:13 AM
The other thing to decide is if an extra thousand dollars is worth it.  For me, it isn't.

But I'm sure the thin profile will come in handy when trying to save space in your bag.  Not that a regular MB is fat...

but if your parents are paying...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 30, 2008, 10:58:18 AM
The other thing to decide is if an extra thousand dollars is worth it.  For me, it isn't.

But I'm sure the thin profile will come in handy when trying to save space in your bag.  Not that a regular MB is fat...

but if your parents are paying...


Mine gave me $250 toward the purchase of a laptop, but that's it.  I had to buy the rest myself.  So yeah, the thousand dollars was a consideration:  food or MBAir....
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 30, 2008, 12:04:21 PM
The other thing to decide is if an extra thousand dollars is worth it.  For me, it isn't.

But I'm sure the thin profile will come in handy when trying to save space in your bag.  Not that a regular MB is fat...

but if your parents are paying...


Mine gave me $250 toward the purchase of a laptop, but that's it.  I had to buy the rest myself.  So yeah, the thousand dollars was a consideration:  food or MBAir....

I brought it up because Outlaw mentioned that her parents offered to get her a new laptop, which reduces or eliminates the cost consideration.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 30, 2008, 12:09:33 PM
The other thing to decide is if an extra thousand dollars is worth it.  For me, it isn't.

But I'm sure the thin profile will come in handy when trying to save space in your bag.  Not that a regular MB is fat...

but if your parents are paying...


Mine gave me $250 toward the purchase of a laptop, but that's it.  I had to buy the rest myself.  So yeah, the thousand dollars was a consideration:  food or MBAir....

I brought it up because Outlaw mentioned that her parents offered to get her a new laptop, which reduces or eliminates the cost consideration.

True.  I'd just ask my parents to give me the extra grand in cash so I could go on a ski trip  ;D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 30, 2008, 12:11:08 PM
I brought it up because Outlaw mentioned that her parents offered to get her a new laptop, which reduces or eliminates the cost consideration.

True.  I'd just ask my parents to give me the extra grand in cash so I could go on a ski trip  ;D

hehe.  fair enough.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 30, 2008, 12:42:30 PM
I don't know if they'll pay for the whole thing but there was nothing I could think of for my birthday and they suggested it... Plus I'm the least expensive of my four siblings, so I don't feel as bad. My sister goes to hopkins (which costs my parents an arm and a leg) and shopping with my mom like it's her job. They paid next to nothing for my undergrad and I'd rather eat glass than go shopping. AND they still owe me a graduation present. (This is how I'm justifying it in my head so let me be  ;))
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on January 31, 2008, 07:05:10 AM


Outlaw, if you decide to go for either a MB or MBair, it'll really come down to the following factors:

* How much you enjoy being the cool kid with the newest gadget.  The MBair will definitely be the hot toy in Fall 08.  Some people really get off on having that kind of thing, other people could care less or shy away from it.
* Whether you need an internal CD drive.  The MBair doesn't have one.  You can either buy an external drive or use the CD drive ANOTHER computer wirelessly (software installation required).  It's kind of a drag for some (like me), but others don't use their laptop CD drive and wouldn't miss it.
* How much you care about lightness.  While the MB is hardly a goliath compared to the air, you save about two pounds going with the air.  Some folks have speculated that, with the weight of their books, they'd want to shave off a few pounds from their load.

Thanks so much. Let's see...I don't care at all about having the newest gadget - I just want what will work best. As for the CD Drive, I'll still have my Toshiba. And besides, I can't think of anything I would need a CD Drive for. Actually, now that I think about it - I'll probably need to connect the MBair to my printer (and that requires the installation cd, no?) And I'm sure some of this exam software requires software installation via CD. That's going to be really annoying. I'm so not techno- savvy. Darn - I was really leaning toward the MBair. Lightness would be ideal. I love my bike and I really want to bike to class. I also don't want a hunchback by age 30 so light laptop will be clutch.

ExamSoft is downloadable, so you're fine there.  And Macs are totally plug-and-play.  I haven't needed an installation disc in years.

I have a MacBook Pro, which sucks weight-wise but is worth it to me for the larger screen and sturdiness (I'm a bit of a klutz).  I'd say about 30% of my section has Macs, and the number seems to be growing.  Be sure to check out the deals that Penn offers, too -- they're even cheaper than the standard education discount, though your options are more limited.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 31, 2008, 07:12:10 AM
Does Penn's ExamSoft run on Mac as is, or will I need to install XP via BootCamp to get it to work?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: nakanaka on January 31, 2008, 12:43:55 PM
Got the big package today. Very nice recruiting materials.

Housing applications start in March and are rolling until May, though many of us might not make our choices until at least April. Are you guys going to submit housing apps then withdraw them if you decide not to attend?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 31, 2008, 02:13:27 PM
i am almost 100% sure i will be living off campus.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 31, 2008, 02:25:50 PM
i am almost 100% sure i will be living off campus.

Why?  I am struggling with where I want to live if I end up at Penn.

i lived in philly last year, and you can get a great apartment for not a lot of $$.  the city is pretty awesome, and i'm happy to have a small commute in exchange for a Big-Girl living space.

my friends who lived on campus as grad students last year regretted how much money they were paying for their rooms.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: nakanaka on January 31, 2008, 04:08:12 PM
I dunno I'm concerned w. not meeting as many people if I live off campus for 1L. I'll definitely live off for 2/3 if I end up at Penn.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: antaresvi on January 31, 2008, 04:58:00 PM
I dunno I'm concerned w. not meeting as many people if I live off campus for 1L. I'll definitely live off for 2/3 if I end up at Penn.

I kind of wonder about this too, especially after going to ASW at GULC and hearing the 1Ls say how many people they meet in the law dorm. Still, i really don't want to do the dorm thing again. Tough call.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on January 31, 2008, 06:06:17 PM
I'll be living off campus in the apartment I currently live in.  I'll be married by then, so on campus would not be a good idea.  Plus, I love Center City.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on January 31, 2008, 08:59:03 PM
Does any one (current students included) have any insight into University City?  It seems much cheaper than Center City.  How is the quality there, as opposed to Center City?  Is the area not as nice, or just not as close to shopping/bars/restaurants/night life? 

I'm actually looking for a cheaper, quieter place to settle down.  What is the major difference between University City and Center City?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on January 31, 2008, 09:02:19 PM
I'm probably going to live OFF-campus...the grad towers (Sansom) aren't that great, and generally more expensive than housing in W. Philly and is as expensive as the average cost of an apt. in Center City. I will try to live in Center City, as I've already done the West Philly thing. West Philly is nice, though. You can get some real steals, particularly out towards Hazel avenue.  West Philly may also be worth considering if you intend on having a car. It's a decent place to live if you have a family of your own, as well...

Meeting people shouldn't be that big of an issue since most grad students hang out and do "bar reviews" in Center City...

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on January 31, 2008, 09:14:22 PM
If you want real quiet and relatively inexpensive, then you want to check out the areas going from Locust down to Pine, probably starting on 43rd street. If I remember, and please, current student correct me, the trolley, which is loud as hell runs from Baltimore to Spruce on 42nd. That's probably the only noise you're going to hear, however.  Once you start hitting 43rd and Pine heading west, it's pretty much just you and your thoughts...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 31, 2008, 09:16:39 PM
I'm definitely living off-campus.  If possible, I'll live with some TFA teachers.  Maybe that will make me an outsider (I'm 31, Mormon, and won't shut up about nonviolence--so that may be a given anyway).  But my experience with TFA these two years are making it hard to leave the community behind.  These are basically the best people I know.

..and me.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 31, 2008, 09:20:07 PM
Does any one (current students included) have any insight into University City?  It seems much cheaper than Center City.  How is the quality there, as opposed to Center City?  Is the area not as nice, or just not as close to shopping/bars/restaurants/night life? 

I'm actually looking for a cheaper, quieter place to settle down.  What is the major difference between University City and Center City?

i wouldn't want to live any further west than 43rd of 44th street.  (West = the numbers get bigger).  University City is fine.  When I was a grad student at penn, my friends and I frequented a few bars within a block of the law school in Uni City, and we made it out to center city/old city a bit less often.

center city is more urban than uni city.  things are a bit closer together.  it reminds me a bit of Soho in NYC.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: michigander on February 06, 2008, 09:28:17 AM
Hi All! Got the acceptance call yesterday and am excited to join this thread!

Earlier, someone said that ASW was the last weekend in March. Does anyone know the exact dates and time? My letter and package haven't come yet, and I want to get planning!

Also, do any current students know anything about the Toll Public Interest Scholars program? I am thinking about applying but the app deadline is fast approaching...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 06, 2008, 10:33:59 AM
Hi All! Got the acceptance call yesterday and am excited to join this thread!

Earlier, someone said that ASW was the last weekend in March. Does anyone know the exact dates and time? My letter and package haven't come yet, and I want to get planning!

Also, do any current students know anything about the Toll Public Interest Scholars program? I am thinking about applying but the app deadline is fast approaching...

ASW is March 28 all day and March 29 until 3pm.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: michigander on February 07, 2008, 10:25:04 AM
does it matter for the toll that im applying this late? i thought the deadline was just feb. 15, and they wouldn't consider the apps before? is the scholarship rolling?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 07, 2008, 01:56:14 PM
Hi All! Got the acceptance call yesterday and am excited to join this thread!

Earlier, someone said that ASW was the last weekend in March. Does anyone know the exact dates and time? My letter and package haven't come yet, and I want to get planning!

Also, do any current students know anything about the Toll Public Interest Scholars program? I am thinking about applying but the app deadline is fast approaching...

Second that.  I'm thinking of applying even though I know I'm pretty late.

does that matter? i thought the deadline was just feb. 15, and they wouldn't consider the apps before? is the scholarship rolling?

ASW is Fri-SAt, 3/28-29.  Fri is 9-7 or so and sat is 9-3
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 07, 2008, 01:57:18 PM
I just RSVP'd. I also opted for the mock crim class... anybody else?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 07, 2008, 02:03:37 PM
I just RSVP'd. I also opted for the mock crim class... anybody else?

i took crim law at penn last year, so if i do a class it will NOT be crim.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 09, 2008, 02:20:11 PM
I just RSVP'd. I also opted for the mock crim class... anybody else?

i took crim law at penn last year, so if i do a class it will NOT be crim.

Really?  Want to tell us how you liked it/if the Socratic method is as terrifying as i think it will be??

i LOVED it, completely loved it.  socratic method is fun for me because i like speaking in public, and i enjoy the challenge of working something through with the professor outloud.  if that kind of thing makes you anxious, then you might have some difficulty.  in total, though, it really wasn't difficult as long as you did the reading and have been paying attention in class.  Some professors at Penn will let you know when it will be your day to speak, so you can plan.  I sort of liked the element of surprise.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on February 09, 2008, 03:26:29 PM
I just RSVP'd. I also opted for the mock crim class... anybody else?

i took crim law at penn last year, so if i do a class it will NOT be crim.

Really?  Want to tell us how you liked it/if the Socratic method is as terrifying as i think it will be??

i LOVED it, completely loved it.  socratic method is fun for me because i like speaking in public, and i enjoy the challenge of working something through with the professor outloud.  if that kind of thing makes you anxious, then you might have some difficulty.  in total, though, it really wasn't difficult as long as you did the reading and have been paying attention in class.  Some professors at Penn will let you know when it will be your day to speak, so you can plan.  I sort of liked the element of surprise.

You want to come join us at Penn and hang around there a little longer. 

You know you do.  Just admit it  ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 10, 2008, 08:07:22 AM
I just RSVP'd. I also opted for the mock crim class... anybody else?

i took crim law at penn last year, so if i do a class it will NOT be crim.

Really?  Want to tell us how you liked it/if the Socratic method is as terrifying as i think it will be??

i LOVED it, completely loved it.  socratic method is fun for me because i like speaking in public, and i enjoy the challenge of working something through with the professor outloud.  if that kind of thing makes you anxious, then you might have some difficulty.  in total, though, it really wasn't difficult as long as you did the reading and have been paying attention in class.  Some professors at Penn will let you know when it will be your day to speak, so you can plan.  I sort of liked the element of surprise.

You want to come join us at Penn and hang around there a little longer. 

You know you do.  Just admit it  ;)

oh, it's definitely high up on my list.  i loved it there!!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 10, 2008, 09:49:48 AM
I just RSVP'd. I also opted for the mock crim class... anybody else?

i took crim law at penn last year, so if i do a class it will NOT be crim.

Really?  Want to tell us how you liked it/if the Socratic method is as terrifying as i think it will be??

i LOVED it, completely loved it.  socratic method is fun for me because i like speaking in public, and i enjoy the challenge of working something through with the professor outloud.  if that kind of thing makes you anxious, then you might have some difficulty.  in total, though, it really wasn't difficult as long as you did the reading and have been paying attention in class.  Some professors at Penn will let you know when it will be your day to speak, so you can plan.  I sort of liked the element of surprise.

You want to come join us at Penn and hang around there a little longer. 

You know you do.  Just admit it  ;)

oh, it's definitely high up on my list.  i loved it there!!

Will I see you at preview day on the 22nd?  You are in Philly, right?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 10, 2008, 03:15:31 PM
I just RSVP'd. I also opted for the mock crim class... anybody else?

i took crim law at penn last year, so if i do a class it will NOT be crim.

Really?  Want to tell us how you liked it/if the Socratic method is as terrifying as i think it will be??

i LOVED it, completely loved it.  socratic method is fun for me because i like speaking in public, and i enjoy the challenge of working something through with the professor outloud.  if that kind of thing makes you anxious, then you might have some difficulty.  in total, though, it really wasn't difficult as long as you did the reading and have been paying attention in class.  Some professors at Penn will let you know when it will be your day to speak, so you can plan.  I sort of liked the element of surprise.

You want to come join us at Penn and hang around there a little longer. 

You know you do.  Just admit it  ;)

oh, it's definitely high up on my list.  i loved it there!!

Will I see you at preview day on the 22nd?  You are in Philly, right?

I'm not in Philly right now, but I'm planning to be at the preview day!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on February 10, 2008, 06:04:15 PM
Tag.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 10, 2008, 08:56:29 PM
Guys, I've said this before, but it bears repeating:  LIVE IN CENTER CITY.  Please, please trust me on this.... everyone who has lived elsewhere has regretted it.  If you're looking for quiet, look towards the Fitler Square area (Walnut-South, 20th-27th).  Tons of law students live around here... trust me, you will be close to your friends (and me!).   :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on February 11, 2008, 05:25:45 AM
Guys, I've said this before, but it bears repeating:  LIVE IN CENTER CITY.  Please, please trust me on this.... everyone who has lived elsewhere has regretted it.  If you're looking for quiet, look towards the Fitler Square area (Walnut-South, 20th-27th).  Tons of law students live around here... trust me, you will be close to your friends (and me!).   :)

This is very, very true.  I couldn't find a place in Center City (I only had two days, and I have a dog, which made it tricky), and living in University City pretty much sucks. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 11, 2008, 06:08:48 AM
Guys, I've said this before, but it bears repeating:  LIVE IN CENTER CITY.  Please, please trust me on this.... everyone who has lived elsewhere has regretted it.  If you're looking for quiet, look towards the Fitler Square area (Walnut-South, 20th-27th).  Tons of law students live around here... trust me, you will be close to your friends (and me!).   :)

This is very, very true.  I couldn't find a place in Center City (I only had two days, and I have a dog, which made it tricky), and living in University City pretty much sucks. 

awww, i lived in Uni City last year and it really wasn't that bad...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: quincym on February 11, 2008, 06:52:49 AM
So I have a dog and a girlfriend. What's a decent 1br (or splitting a 2br with a housemate) gonna run us in Center City?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 11, 2008, 07:25:28 AM
So I have a dog and a girlfriend. What's a decent 1br (or splitting a 2br with a housemate) gonna run us in Center City?

Well, my fiance and I (with our foxhound) share a nice place for 1700/mo.  There are people I know who live in my neighborhood (9th and Spruce) that pay around 1200-2400, so you can really get various ranges.  Overall, I would say you're looking at 1100-1500.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on February 11, 2008, 12:15:15 PM
Guys, I've said this before, but it bears repeating:  LIVE IN CENTER CITY.  Please, please trust me on this.... everyone who has lived elsewhere has regretted it.  If you're looking for quiet, look towards the Fitler Square area (Walnut-South, 20th-27th).  Tons of law students live around here... trust me, you will be close to your friends (and me!).   :)

This is very, very true.  I couldn't find a place in Center City (I only had two days, and I have a dog, which made it tricky), and living in University City pretty much sucks. 

Does uni city suck because there are no bars/nightlife around, or because the actual quality of the living areas sucks?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on February 11, 2008, 02:54:46 PM
Guys, I've said this before, but it bears repeating:  LIVE IN CENTER CITY.  Please, please trust me on this.... everyone who has lived elsewhere has regretted it.  If you're looking for quiet, look towards the Fitler Square area (Walnut-South, 20th-27th).  Tons of law students live around here... trust me, you will be close to your friends (and me!).   :)

This is very, very true.  I couldn't find a place in Center City (I only had two days, and I have a dog, which made it tricky), and living in University City pretty much sucks. 

Does uni city suck because there are no bars/nightlife around, or because the actual quality of the living areas sucks?

My guess is that one reason is the abundance of undergrads.  The apartment complex I live in now is about 95% undergraduate students and I want to kill myself on a nightly basis.  Like, I get it.  You're drinking underage.  Stop screaming about it next to my windows because you are scaring my cats.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 11, 2008, 02:56:58 PM
How hard is it to find housing/a roommate?  I think I'll probably end up in the dorms out of sheer laziness.  Can you find a good apartment in Center City for the same price as the dorms?

yes. don't live in the dorms.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 11, 2008, 07:37:00 PM
Guys, I've said this before, but it bears repeating:  LIVE IN CENTER CITY.  Please, please trust me on this.... everyone who has lived elsewhere has regretted it.  If you're looking for quiet, look towards the Fitler Square area (Walnut-South, 20th-27th).  Tons of law students live around here... trust me, you will be close to your friends (and me!).   :)

This is very, very true.  I couldn't find a place in Center City (I only had two days, and I have a dog, which made it tricky), and living in University City pretty much sucks. 

Does uni city suck because there are no bars/nightlife around, or because the actual quality of the living areas sucks?

My guess is that one reason is the abundance of undergrads.  The apartment complex I live in now is about 95% undergraduate students and I want to kill myself on a nightly basis.  Like, I get it.  You're drinking underage.  Stop screaming about it next to my windows because you are scaring my cats.

The main reasons people seem unhappy in UC are some combination of the following:

(1) Higher crime (one student who lived too far west, on 48th, was mugged twice in his first month at school); shady lurkers in the outskirt areas.
(2) Nightlife focused on undergrads.
(3) Cut off from law school social events, which are mainly held in CC.  Cabs home get expensive.
(4) Very few nice restaurants/ places to go out/ shopping.
(5) Most neighborhoods are not very attractive (there are exceptions), and most properties are not as well-maintained there since they're catering to the sloppy undergrad set.
(6) A sense of not being able to get away from law school; no life outside of Penn campus.
(7) Everyone is younger than you, and acts it.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 11, 2008, 07:38:25 PM
Guys, I've said this before, but it bears repeating:  LIVE IN CENTER CITY.  Please, please trust me on this.... everyone who has lived elsewhere has regretted it.  If you're looking for quiet, look towards the Fitler Square area (Walnut-South, 20th-27th).  Tons of law students live around here... trust me, you will be close to your friends (and me!).   :)

This is very, very true.  I couldn't find a place in Center City (I only had two days, and I have a dog, which made it tricky), and living in University City pretty much sucks. 

Does uni city suck because there are no bars/nightlife around, or because the actual quality of the living areas sucks?

My guess is that one reason is the abundance of undergrads.  The apartment complex I live in now is about 95% undergraduate students and I want to kill myself on a nightly basis.  Like, I get it.  You're drinking underage.  Stop screaming about it next to my windows because you are scaring my cats.

The main reasons people seem unhappy in UC are some combination of the following:

(1) Higher crime (one student who lived too far west, on 48th, was mugged twice in his first month at school)
(2) Nightlife focused on undergrads.
(3) Cut off from law school social events, which are mainly held in CC.  Cabs home get expensive.
(4) Very few nice restaurants/ places to go out/ shopping.
(5) Most neighborhoods are not very attractive (there are exceptions, and most properties are not as well-maintained there since they're catering to the slopping undergrad set.
(6) A sense of not being able to get away from law school; no life outside of Penn campus.
(7) Everyone is younger than you, and acts it.

re: #1: 48th street is way out in West Philly.  I wouldn't even consider that university city.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 11, 2008, 07:42:41 PM
Guys, I've said this before, but it bears repeating:  LIVE IN CENTER CITY.  Please, please trust me on this.... everyone who has lived elsewhere has regretted it.  If you're looking for quiet, look towards the Fitler Square area (Walnut-South, 20th-27th).  Tons of law students live around here... trust me, you will be close to your friends (and me!).   :)

This is very, very true.  I couldn't find a place in Center City (I only had two days, and I have a dog, which made it tricky), and living in University City pretty much sucks. 

Does uni city suck because there are no bars/nightlife around, or because the actual quality of the living areas sucks?

My guess is that one reason is the abundance of undergrads.  The apartment complex I live in now is about 95% undergraduate students and I want to kill myself on a nightly basis.  Like, I get it.  You're drinking underage.  Stop screaming about it next to my windows because you are scaring my cats.

The main reasons people seem unhappy in UC are some combination of the following:

(1) Higher crime (one student who lived too far west, on 48th, was mugged twice in his first month at school)
(2) Nightlife focused on undergrads.
(3) Cut off from law school social events, which are mainly held in CC.  Cabs home get expensive.
(4) Very few nice restaurants/ places to go out/ shopping.
(5) Most neighborhoods are not very attractive (there are exceptions, and most properties are not as well-maintained there since they're catering to the slopping undergrad set.
(6) A sense of not being able to get away from law school; no life outside of Penn campus.
(7) Everyone is younger than you, and acts it.

re: #1: 48th street is way out in West Philly.  I wouldn't even consider that university city.

well i've heard stories about domus, which is right next to the law school.  a friend on 43rd st repeatedly had his car broken into.  a local drug dealer hung out on the streetcorner of a friend around 45th.  moving north of market on 34th, my friend is living in half his apartment because of a somewhat shady fire started by... someone.  circumstances are unclear.  you just don't hear these stories in CC--certainly there is the occasional mugging, but it's pretty rare.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 11, 2008, 07:46:58 PM
Guys, I've said this before, but it bears repeating:  LIVE IN CENTER CITY.  Please, please trust me on this.... everyone who has lived elsewhere has regretted it.  If you're looking for quiet, look towards the Fitler Square area (Walnut-South, 20th-27th).  Tons of law students live around here... trust me, you will be close to your friends (and me!).   :)

This is very, very true.  I couldn't find a place in Center City (I only had two days, and I have a dog, which made it tricky), and living in University City pretty much sucks. 

Does uni city suck because there are no bars/nightlife around, or because the actual quality of the living areas sucks?

My guess is that one reason is the abundance of undergrads.  The apartment complex I live in now is about 95% undergraduate students and I want to kill myself on a nightly basis.  Like, I get it.  You're drinking underage.  Stop screaming about it next to my windows because you are scaring my cats.

The main reasons people seem unhappy in UC are some combination of the following:

(1) Higher crime (one student who lived too far west, on 48th, was mugged twice in his first month at school)
(2) Nightlife focused on undergrads.
(3) Cut off from law school social events, which are mainly held in CC.  Cabs home get expensive.
(4) Very few nice restaurants/ places to go out/ shopping.
(5) Most neighborhoods are not very attractive (there are exceptions, and most properties are not as well-maintained there since they're catering to the slopping undergrad set.
(6) A sense of not being able to get away from law school; no life outside of Penn campus.
(7) Everyone is younger than you, and acts it.

re: #1: 48th street is way out in West Philly.  I wouldn't even consider that university city.

well i've heard stories about domus, which is right next to the law school.  a friend on 43rd st repeatedly had his car broken into.  a local drug dealer hung out on the streetcorner of a friend around 45th.  moving north of market on 34th, my friend is living in half his apartment because of a somewhat shady fire started by... someone.  circumstances are unclear.  you just don't hear these stories in CC--certainly there is the occasional mugging, but it's pretty rare.

fair enough.  none of my friends had a problem there last year, but i guess it depends on which part of UCity you're living in.

i mean, all that said, i'll be looking for apartments in center city if i end up at Penn.  but Uni City really isn't all that bad if you live east enough.  that's all i'm sayin.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 11, 2008, 08:02:06 PM
i'm just sayin', it's not the right choice for law students, even without the crime issues (although those crime issues have worsened lately, and are moving closer to penn's campus... hopefully the new mayor will turn that trend around).  i also wanted to point out that your social life will be better in CC, since that's where the action is, and you'll meet plenty of people over on this side of the river. 

take it for what it's worth, but don't say i didn't tell you so!   ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: nakanaka on February 12, 2008, 06:46:42 AM
Is everyone going to the events on Saturday for ASW? I don't know if I'm interested in a trolly ride around Philly.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 12, 2008, 07:28:21 AM
Is everyone going to the events on Saturday for ASW? I don't know if I'm interested in a trolly ride around Philly.

I live in Philly, but I'll still go.  For me, it's less about the event than it is about meeting my classmates.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 12, 2008, 07:36:11 AM
Is everyone going to the events on Saturday for ASW? I don't know if I'm interested in a trolly ride around Philly.

I live in Philly, but I'll still go.  For me, it's less about the event than it is about meeting my classmates.

what if we arranged for you to meet your classmates...say...over a bloody mary brunch?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 12, 2008, 07:44:15 AM
Is everyone going to the events on Saturday for ASW? I don't know if I'm interested in a trolly ride around Philly.

I live in Philly, but I'll still go.  For me, it's less about the event than it is about meeting my classmates.

what if we arranged for you to meet your classmates...say...over a bloody mary brunch?

I would have to divert my attention away from the ride and toward a bar  ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 12, 2008, 08:13:42 AM
I've looked at some of the thread's suggested apartments in center city but none have a washer/dryer in the unit. It's probably the only thing I care about when it comes to an apartment. I just can't deal with having to have quarters all the time to do laundry....it doesn't get done. I also have a habit of doing laundry and leaving it indefinitely in dryers - that doesn't go over well when it's a shared laundry room.  Know of any places in CC that are reasonably priced and have a w/d in the unit?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 12, 2008, 08:16:01 AM
I've looked at some of the thread's suggested apartments in center city but none have a washer/dryer in the unit. It's probably the only thing I care about when it comes to an apartment. I just can't deal with having to have quarters all the time to do laundry....it doesn't get done. I also have a habit of doing laundry and leaving it indefinitely in dryers - that doesn't go over well when it's a shared laundry room.  Know of any places in CC that are reasonably priced and have a w/d in the unit?

FB me or PM me or something.  I think I may know of somewhere...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on February 12, 2008, 07:11:31 PM
i'm just sayin', it's not the right choice for law students, even without the crime issues (although those crime issues have worsened lately, and are moving closer to penn's campus... hopefully the new mayor will turn that trend around).  i also wanted to point out that your social life will be better in CC, since that's where the action is, and you'll meet plenty of people over on this side of the river. 

take it for what it's worth, but don't say i didn't tell you so!   ;)

Legapp is right.  Crime in university city is up 10% from last year.  And I live in Domus, and there have been at least three cars broken into in our garage, and a crazy vagrant attacked my dog right in front of our front door, and one of my classmates was assaulted in broad daylight two blocks north of school (NOT west) and had the crap kicked out of her.  And then there were the two shootings at 38th and Chestnut last fall.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 13, 2008, 08:04:37 AM
i'm just sayin', it's not the right choice for law students, even without the crime issues (although those crime issues have worsened lately, and are moving closer to penn's campus... hopefully the new mayor will turn that trend around).  i also wanted to point out that your social life will be better in CC, since that's where the action is, and you'll meet plenty of people over on this side of the river. 

take it for what it's worth, but don't say i didn't tell you so!   ;)

Legapp is right.  Crime in university city is up 10% from last year.  And I live in Domus, and there have been at least three cars broken into in our garage, and a crazy vagrant attacked my dog right in front of our front door, and one of my classmates was assaulted in broad daylight two blocks north of school (NOT west) and had the crap kicked out of her.  And then there were the two shootings at 38th and Chestnut last fall.

Awesome!!!

This thread is making me want to go to Penn more and more with every post!

lol seriously...

Putting it in perspective though - The PD at my suburban state university undergrad had to send out weekly crime reports for both on campus and the surrounding area. Muggings, sexual assaults, stabbing, armed robbery and even a couple shootings....
this stuff happens everywhere
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 13, 2008, 08:13:38 AM
i'm just sayin', it's not the right choice for law students, even without the crime issues (although those crime issues have worsened lately, and are moving closer to penn's campus... hopefully the new mayor will turn that trend around).  i also wanted to point out that your social life will be better in CC, since that's where the action is, and you'll meet plenty of people over on this side of the river. 

take it for what it's worth, but don't say i didn't tell you so!   ;)

Legapp is right.  Crime in university city is up 10% from last year.  And I live in Domus, and there have been at least three cars broken into in our garage, and a crazy vagrant attacked my dog right in front of our front door, and one of my classmates was assaulted in broad daylight two blocks north of school (NOT west) and had the crap kicked out of her.  And then there were the two shootings at 38th and Chestnut last fall.

Awesome!!!

This thread is making me want to go to Penn more and more with every post!

Haha.  I think the bottom line is that center city is a cooler environment anyway.  I went to Penn for a whole year and lived in Uni City and walked around at night in various states of intoxication and never had a problem, but Center City is just a more fun area.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: just ducky on February 13, 2008, 07:02:05 PM
Hey penn class of 2011 folks!

I just got the call today and I'm a very happy camper now.  ;D

just wondering how long it took for your admit packet to come in the mail after your phone call, and what was in it?

I'm planning on being at the ASW in March so maybe I'll meet some of you then!

I'm not 100% committed to Penn yet, but it's one of my top choices.  My husband is in grad school in Baltimore for 1 or 2 more years, so at Penn we'd at least be only an hour apart by train so I could come back on weekends or he could come up.  Feel free to tell me all the wonderful reasons why I should choose Penn :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: antaresvi on February 13, 2008, 08:01:35 PM
So I was doing some informal apartment-shopping on Penn's housing site and a few other places, and I can't figure out how we're supposed to afford Center City on the recommended room+board budget (once I factor in utilities and food). Does anybody know if its even possible to get a decent studio or something for reasonable $?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 13, 2008, 08:03:13 PM
Hey penn class of 2011 folks!

I just got the call today and I'm a very happy camper now.  ;D

just wondering how long it took for your admit packet to come in the mail after your phone call, and what was in it?

I'm planning on being at the ASW in March so maybe I'll meet some of you then!

I'm not 100% committed to Penn yet, but it's one of my top choices.  My husband is in grad school in Baltimore for 1 or 2 more years, so at Penn we'd at least be only an hour apart by train so I could come back on weekends or he could come up.  Feel free to tell me all the wonderful reasons why I should choose Penn :)

Congrats on the acceptance!  The ASW should be fantastic.

As for why you should pick Penn:  Great interdisciplinary opportunities, wonderful and accessible faculty, a friendly student body, wonderful facilities (our own courtyard), cool city, beautiful campus, plethora or journals/student groups, Ivy league, excellent career prospects, and close proximity to your hubby.

Need more?  PM me.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 14, 2008, 08:45:16 AM
So I was doing some informal apartment-shopping on Penn's housing site and a few other places, and I can't figure out how we're supposed to afford Center City on the recommended room+board budget (once I factor in utilities and food). Does anybody know if its even possible to get a decent studio or something for reasonable $?

I agree. I was looking forward to a lower COL in Philly but from what I've researched so far, if I live in center city it's going to be just the same as I pay now in the DC area.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 14, 2008, 10:08:40 AM
I won't be living in Center City, because I can't afford that price.  Right now I pay $220 for a third of a 4 bedroom house.  I can envision paying $500 for a third of a three bedroom house, but not $1000 for a one bedroom apartment.

I guess I'll be out of the social scene.
was

Center City is pretty pricey unless you live with someone.  However, when I moved to Philly, it was after living in NY where prices are INSANE.

And no worries about the social scene - bars can be accessed from anywhere  ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on February 14, 2008, 10:17:48 AM
I think that the having to live in CC to be near the "social scene" argument is a bit overstated, if being near the graduate student social scene is really important to you. Philadelphia is a small city. The eastern most part of Penn, where the law school is located, is just over the bridge from CC, particularly on Walnut Street.  Moreover, if you hop on the trolley or bus from as far out as 43rd St., you'll be in CC in about 15-20 minutes.

With regards to discussions of crime around Penn, the arguments against Penn and W. Philly are a bit overstated, as well, particularly when comparing the area around Penn to the areas around other elite law schools. The crime rate in UCity is not really any greater than the crime rate in New Haven, Hyde Park, Morningside Heights, Cambridge, etc.

The "being surrounded by undergrads" is a strong argument. A large part of the Penn Ugrad population does live off-campus, and they do party hard and long. You should basically try to avoids spots between 40th and 42nd on Walnut, Locust, and Spruce streets. The fraternity houses are concentrated in these areas.

Now, CC is fantastic and lots of fun. I'll personally be searching for apartments in both CC and W. Philly. I just don't want folks to get the impression that W. Philly is this way out lawless community...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 14, 2008, 11:02:15 AM
I won't be living in Center City, because I can't afford that price.  Right now I pay $220 for a third of a 4 bedroom house.  I can envision paying $500 for a third of a three bedroom house, but not $1000 for a one bedroom apartment.

I guess I'll be out of the social scene.

Do you know where you're going to look? What neighborhoods other than Center City/University City are within walking/biking distance of campus? I can't deal with driving in a city and I don't want to be forced to rely on public transportation to get to class. So as long as I could potentially walk or bike, I want to take a look at that neighborhood.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on February 14, 2008, 11:25:23 AM
There's also Powelton Village, which is north of the law school near Drexel U....
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 14, 2008, 11:27:44 AM
I've heard Domus mentioned on here before, but I just now took the time to look it up. Do law students live in Domus?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on February 14, 2008, 11:35:46 AM
I'm looking at living in the 2400 Chestnut building.  A friend of mine is a 3L at Penn.  She lives in the Drake building, which she really liked, but she knows a lot of people that lived in 2400 Chestnut and she said if she did it over that's where she would live.

From what I understand, its easily walking distance to campus.  They also have a shuttle that goes to the Penn campus several times a day.

I contacted them and got on their waitlist already -- it was pretty easy and only cost me $300 toward my security deposit (fully refundable if I decide not to live there by May 1).
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: asdfgh2 on February 14, 2008, 12:07:48 PM
a lot of the penn grad students that i know live in a neighborhood called graduate hospital, which is just south of center city west (maybe like 19th-26th street, south street-christian street?).  i don't know the area that well, but i know that it's significantly more affordable than center city and seems to be in kind of a mid-gentrification stage.  i'm guessing it might take 20 or 30 minutes to walk from grad hospital to penn law?

i've been working in philly for the past couple of years and am not ready to take the plunge and call myself a "decided 1L" yet.. but philly is a great city and maybe i'll see you guys next year!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: asdfgh2 on February 14, 2008, 12:17:58 PM
a couple more things:

1. to emphasize what others have said, west philly is not bad, as long as you don't go too far west.  i feel quite safe around 45th street, but i've been told that 50th can be pretty scary.  it's weird how much of a difference a few blocks can make.  i'd prefer to live in center city, but there are many worse places to live in the world than west philly.
2. it's probably too early to start looking seriously, but i've found that philadelphia weekly (a local independent newspaper) is one of the best places to find an apartment.  check out the classified section at philadelphiaweekly.com for a sense of what's available.
3. philly is really great!!!  i think my favorite thing is the great restaurant scene (especially all of the tiny BYOBs).  you're going to love it!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: bdiz on February 14, 2008, 04:02:18 PM
Does anyone have know from experience (theirs or others') how the Wharton certificate generally looks to potential employers?  Being comprised of only four Wharton classes do you think it'd be substantive enough to draw a really positive response, or is it just a bit of extra but inconsequential icing on an already tasty cake? (whew! split-second analogy here)

thanks!

bjtnj ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on February 14, 2008, 04:38:21 PM
I've heard Domus mentioned on here before, but I just now took the time to look it up. Do law students live in Domus?

at last count, there were somewhere between 13 and 15 law students living in Domus (including myself).  personally, i love the place- and it has in-room washers and dryers!  its a pretty amazing building, but obviously you pay for it.  Team Pam on here also lives there, so you can ask either of us questions about it if you want to know anything
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 14, 2008, 06:03:12 PM
I've heard Domus mentioned on here before, but I just now took the time to look it up. Do law students live in Domus?

at last count, there were somewhere between 13 and 15 law students living in Domus (including myself).  personally, i love the place- and it has in-room washers and dryers!  its a pretty amazing building, but obviously you pay for it.  Team Pam on here also lives there, so you can ask either of us questions about it if you want to know anything

I'm moving with the SO so sharing a 1br in Domus wouldn't make it that outrageous, especially b/c she'll be working full-time. It is still very expensive. Do you plan to stay next year? Feel like you miss out on the Center City scene?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on February 14, 2008, 08:07:27 PM
With regards to discussions of crime around Penn, the arguments against Penn and W. Philly are a bit overstated, as well, particularly when comparing the area around Penn to the areas around other elite law schools. The crime rate in UCity is not really any greater than the crime rate in New Haven, Hyde Park, Morningside Heights, Cambridge, etc.

I'll concede the others, but Cambridge?  Come on...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on February 14, 2008, 08:14:11 PM
I've heard Domus mentioned on here before, but I just now took the time to look it up. Do law students live in Domus?

at last count, there were somewhere between 13 and 15 law students living in Domus (including myself).  personally, i love the place- and it has in-room washers and dryers!  its a pretty amazing building, but obviously you pay for it.  Team Pam on here also lives there, so you can ask either of us questions about it if you want to know anything

I'm moving with the SO so sharing a 1br in Domus wouldn't make it that outrageous, especially b/c she'll be working full-time. It is still very expensive. Do you plan to stay next year? Feel like you miss out on the Center City scene?

We're really close to Center City, and when it's not horribly cold out, the walk is quick.  I'd recommend looking at the Left Bank, too, which has a lot of the same amenities as Domus but is a little cheaper and two blocks closer to CC (and has better retail stuff on its first floor, including a bar and places to eat)

Personally, I'll probably move to CC over the summer because I find it gets a little claustrophobic living so close to the law school, and I'd like to have more things to do in walking distance.  But this has been great for 1L year and 9 am classes.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on February 14, 2008, 09:14:27 PM
Well, I don't want to get into a back and forth, as you understand the point I was making. I will just add that I currently live in Harvard Square and receive "advisories" pretty much daily about some student being stuck up or mugged on or near campus...

I just think that Philadelphia, particularly W. Philly, is a great city and don't want to see potential classmates decide not to go to Penn based on exaggerated info...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on February 14, 2008, 09:51:08 PM
I would also like to know any anecdotal or statistical info about the Wharton Certificate.  How valuable is it, really?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 15, 2008, 06:36:18 AM
Well, I don't want to get into a back and forth, as you understand the point I was making. I will just add that I currently live in Harvard Square and receive "advisories" pretty much daily about some student being stuck up or mugged on or near campus...

I just think that Philadelphia, particularly W. Philly, is a great city and don't want to see potential classmates decide not to go to Penn based on exaggerated info...

yes. exactly.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on February 15, 2008, 06:41:46 AM
Well, I don't want to get into a back and forth, as you understand the point I was making. I will just add that I currently live in Harvard Square and receive "advisories" pretty much daily about some student being stuck up or mugged on or near campus...

I just think that Philadelphia, particularly W. Philly, is a great city and don't want to see potential classmates decide not to go to Penn based on exaggerated info...

I mean, yeah, if you're going to pick your law school based on it being in a nice neighborhood, you pretty much rule out most of the the T14. :D  And in general, big private schools seem to attract a fair amount of crime, because they're filled with students carrying around expensive things and not always being careful about them.  

Also, for what it's worth, as I've said before, I actually like West Philly.  It's much more neighborhood-y and feels safer than Chestnut St, which is like a ghost town at night.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 15, 2008, 07:04:24 AM

We're really close to Center City, and when it's not horribly cold out, the walk is quick.  I'd recommend looking at the Left Bank, too, which has a lot of the same amenities as Domus but is a little cheaper and two blocks closer to CC (and has better retail stuff on its first floor, including a bar and places to eat)

Personally, I'll probably move to CC over the summer because I find it gets a little claustrophobic living so close to the law school, and I'd like to have more things to do in walking distance.  But this has been great for 1L year and 9 am classes.

Thanks! I'm going to look at housing next weekend. Aside from Domus/Left Bank - any other places I should check out? People can just throw out any names in Univ City/Center City/anywhere else and that would be awesome. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 15, 2008, 08:09:01 AM
The Victory on Chestnut is nice, but maybe expensive (I don't know off hand).
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on February 15, 2008, 08:42:24 AM
I've heard Domus mentioned on here before, but I just now took the time to look it up. Do law students live in Domus?

at last count, there were somewhere between 13 and 15 law students living in Domus (including myself).  personally, i love the place- and it has in-room washers and dryers!  its a pretty amazing building, but obviously you pay for it.  Team Pam on here also lives there, so you can ask either of us questions about it if you want to know anything

I'm moving with the SO so sharing a 1br in Domus wouldn't make it that outrageous, especially b/c she'll be working full-time. It is still very expensive. Do you plan to stay next year? Feel like you miss out on the Center City scene?

I'll be here next year, although I might move up to a 2br with one of my friends.  I never have felt like i'm missing out on the CC scene, I just end up walking more (which I actually enjoy).  It really isn't a big deal.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on February 17, 2008, 10:15:03 AM
Another ASW question...

Is anybody considering the Thursday night events?  I will probably be staying in Philly that night so I don't have to drive in on Friday morning, and it might be fun.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 17, 2008, 10:23:49 AM
Another ASW question...

Is anybody considering the Thursday night events?  I will probably be staying in Philly that night so I don't have to drive in on Friday morning, and it might be fun.

I'm DEFINITELY going to the Thurs. events! 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 17, 2008, 07:14:18 PM

We're really close to Center City, and when it's not horribly cold out, the walk is quick.  I'd recommend looking at the Left Bank, too, which has a lot of the same amenities as Domus but is a little cheaper and two blocks closer to CC (and has better retail stuff on its first floor, including a bar and places to eat)

Personally, I'll probably move to CC over the summer because I find it gets a little claustrophobic living so close to the law school, and I'd like to have more things to do in walking distance.  But this has been great for 1L year and 9 am classes.

Thanks! I'm going to look at housing next weekend. Aside from Domus/Left Bank - any other places I should check out? People can just throw out any names in Univ City/Center City/anywhere else and that would be awesome. 

are you set on a high rise?  my favorite places are the cute brownstone apartments around fitler sq... i couldn't find one that takes dogs, so i settled for a crappy small apartment building in filtler square... so i can look at the other pretty brownstones.   :)

fitler commons is in a great, more neighborhoody location... don't live on the top floor, tho, cause the elevator is old and often broken. 

my biggest advice is just walk around and get a sense of neighborhoods.  i literally stood on my current street two years ago when i was in your shoes and said, "THIS is where i want to live!"  when i saw the ad for my place on craigslist, i figured the neighborhood was worth living in kind of a dumpy place... and it is.   :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 17, 2008, 07:34:48 PM
Hey penn class of 2011 folks!

I just got the call today and I'm a very happy camper now.  ;D

just wondering how long it took for your admit packet to come in the mail after your phone call, and what was in it?

I'm planning on being at the ASW in March so maybe I'll meet some of you then!

I'm not 100% committed to Penn yet, but it's one of my top choices.  My husband is in grad school in Baltimore for 1 or 2 more years, so at Penn we'd at least be only an hour apart by train so I could come back on weekends or he could come up.  Feel free to tell me all the wonderful reasons why I should choose Penn :)
first of all, i enjoy the use of the term "happy camper."   :D

i think the great thing about penn is that it really supports its students and allows you to follow your interests.  for example, my friend interested in international human rights spent winter break with a law professor and other students interviewing abuse victims in uganda in order to draft recommendations for legal action.  i just returned from a conference where i met tons of people practicing in my very specialized area of law, and after some finagaling, the school covered my conference fee.  i also decided to host a symposium this year, and have received both financial and logistical support from the staff.

other schools will offer some level of this support, but i think it's greater at penn because the law school is much smaller than most of the other top schools.  your professors and the staff will know you by name, and when you need their help, they're always willing. 

i think size also helps with something else penn is known for, which is a cooperative, as opposed to competitive, environment.  it is much easier here to get on a journal--indeed, i think the number of journal spots to applicants is almost 1:1.  it's still hard to make stuff like law review or moot court board, but it's comparatively easier--most law reviews have about 50 members, which at penn is 20% of the class, but at a big school like georgetown is only 10%... so activities with a limited number of participants become more competitive at larger schools.  the same is true for seminar classes.

it's impossible to know whether i would have been as happy at another law school, and even more difficult for me to say what's right for you.  like you, i worked for four years before coming to law school, and i came here with the intention of wanting to build my career in a very specific direction.  penn has helped me do that--during 2L OCI, i interviewed with the two best firms in the nation for the type of law i want to practice.  both only hire one summer associate, and coincidentally, both firms' associates last year came from harvard.  they both gave me offers... i have no doubt going to a top 10 law school helped me get those offers.  the penn name definitely carries a lot of weight, and it takes a lot of the pressure off knowing you'll have a guaranteed job.   ;)

and, probably most importantly, i feel like i've make lifelong friends here...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Penguin83 on February 17, 2008, 07:53:00 PM
I just came back from visiting Penn/ Philadelphia...definitely getting excited!

Anyway I had a chance to look ( at least at the outside) of some of the often mentioned high rise apartments in center city, as well as the graduate dorms.

while i had originally assumed I would wind up in an apartment as opposed to the dorms, after visiting im not as sure. i walked from the law building over to center city, and wasn't sure how i felt about crossing over that stretch of deserted highway to get to center city (im thinking more when im alone, at night.) i consider myself to have a somewhat high sketch threshold, and am not intimidated by urban areas--i've lived in nyc for four years, etc. But I don't know--anyone who is currently a student have an opinion?

also, are there any websites, facebook groups, etc that penn students (law and graduate students in particular) use to find roommates?

thanks
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 17, 2008, 08:03:06 PM
I just came back from visiting Penn/ Philadelphia...definitely getting excited!

Anyway I had a chance to look ( at least at the outside) of some of the often mentioned high rise apartments in center city, as well as the graduate dorms.

while i had originally assumed I would wind up in an apartment as opposed to the dorms, after visiting im not as sure. i walked from the law building over to center city, and wasn't sure how i felt about crossing over that stretch of deserted highway to get to center city (im thinking more when im alone, at night.) i consider myself to have a somewhat high sketch threshold, and am not intimidated by urban areas--i've lived in nyc for four years, etc. But I don't know--anyone who is currently a student have an opinion?

also, are there any websites, facebook groups, etc that penn students (law and graduate students in particular) use to find roommates?

thanks

i've been at the law school until 3am, sad to say... but the good thing is that penn transit has a lot of ways for you to get home to either center city or west to i think 40th st.  i mostly take a free shuttle bus which runs three times an hour and literally drops me off on my corner (it makes personalized stops after a certain hour).  you can see a map here:  http://www.business-services.upenn.edu/transportation/maps/

i walk in the morning if i'm not running late, and it's actually very pretty over the river on a nice day.  i walk back until about 10pm at night, and after than take the shuttle bus... unless i'm feeling lazy or the weather sucks.  i think the bus service starts in the afternoon.

once again y'all:  CENTER CITY!!!  you will thank me for this   ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: antaresvi on February 17, 2008, 08:41:05 PM
I just came back from visiting Penn/ Philadelphia...definitely getting excited!

Anyway I had a chance to look ( at least at the outside) of some of the often mentioned high rise apartments in center city, as well as the graduate dorms.

while i had originally assumed I would wind up in an apartment as opposed to the dorms, after visiting im not as sure. i walked from the law building over to center city, and wasn't sure how i felt about crossing over that stretch of deserted highway to get to center city (im thinking more when im alone, at night.) i consider myself to have a somewhat high sketch threshold, and am not intimidated by urban areas--i've lived in nyc for four years, etc. But I don't know--anyone who is currently a student have an opinion?

also, are there any websites, facebook groups, etc that penn students (law and graduate students in particular) use to find roommates?

thanks

i've been at the law school until 3am, sad to say... but the good thing is that penn transit has a lot of ways for you to get home to either center city or west to i think 40th st.  i mostly take a free shuttle bus which runs three times an hour and literally drops me off on my corner (it makes personalized stops after a certain hour).  you can see a map here:  http://www.business-services.upenn.edu/transportation/maps/

i walk in the morning if i'm not running late, and it's actually very pretty over the river on a nice day.  i walk back until about 10pm at night, and after than take the shuttle bus... unless i'm feeling lazy or the weather sucks.  i think the bus service starts in the afternoon.

once again y'all:  CENTER CITY!!!  you will thank me for this   ;)

But is it really possible to afford center city on the recommended budget? It looks like you can't get into a studio even for less than $900, which is already over.

SIDE NOTE: there's seriously no penn law merch at the bookstore? I definitely need a sweatshirt before ASW...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Penguin83 on February 17, 2008, 08:46:17 PM
there is really no penn law merch ( trust me, i just looked yesterday)
though there is plenty of wharton stuff...blah
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 17, 2008, 09:39:41 PM

But is it really possible to afford center city on the recommended budget? It looks like you can't get into a studio even for less than $900, which is already over.

SIDE NOTE: there's seriously no penn law merch at the bookstore? I definitely need a sweatshirt before ASW...

The people who live in high rises generally raise their budgets by whatever the max is... something like 20%?  But another advantage to living in a brownstone or small apt building is, of course, cost.  I pay a little over $900 for a one-bedroom.  One guy here has a gorgeous 1-bedroom for $850, and it's big enough for parties.

I knew I didn't want a roommate, and was willing to sacrifice luxury in order to live alone... but if you're willing, you can find great two-bedrooms for $1700 or so, which would keep you in budget. 

Also, you can go closer to South Street to get cheaper prices--it's not as nice or convenient below South, but the first few blocks are safe... you can often find good deals there (just go visit first--there are some blocks that are shady; others are totally fine).  Try this place when it gets closer to moving time:  http://www.centercityrealestateco.com/content/Rentals.asp

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on February 17, 2008, 09:57:04 PM
How easy/difficult is it to get a budget increase?  I'm not looking for anything extravagant, but after a really bad roommate experience I plan to live alone next year.  That extra 20% would make a huge difference in finding a studio -- I don't want to live in the dorms, but somewhere between $900 and $1000 seems to be the cheapest you can get for a studio which puts me over the budget.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: antaresvi on February 17, 2008, 10:09:57 PM
Thanks for the info - I'm looking forward to getting down to the city and looking around for myself.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 18, 2008, 05:24:34 AM
How easy/difficult is it to get a budget increase?  I'm not looking for anything extravagant, but after a really bad roommate experience I plan to live alone next year.  That extra 20% would make a huge difference in finding a studio -- I don't want to live in the dorms, but somewhere between $900 and $1000 seems to be the cheapest you can get for a studio which puts me over the budget.

Your pricing is wrong--I looked at a few studios through Green Street Realty in the Rittenhouse/ Fitler Sq area that were going for $700 or so.  They were just non fancy walkups in old buildings... but honestly, coming from NYC I didn't think living in a fancy high-rise was a big deal.  Some people do, for whatever reason... but you can live in a nice area for much cheaper.  Here's another building near me with 1br from $850:  http://www.4wallsinphilly.com/cc/2220-spruce/2220-Spruce.htm

As to your other question, getting a budget increase is extremely easy.  You say, "I need more money because Philly is expensive," and they say, "okay."
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on February 18, 2008, 06:35:39 AM
Great, thanks for the info.   I will definitely look into cheaper studios if I can find them (which you have showed me are out there!).  I'm from Arizona, so my experiences with big city living are essentially none. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 18, 2008, 07:45:48 AM

are you set on a high rise?  my favorite places are the cute brownstone apartments around fitler sq... i couldn't find one that takes dogs, so i settled for a crappy small apartment building in filtler square... so i can look at the other pretty brownstones.   :)

fitler commons is in a great, more neighborhoody location... don't live on the top floor, tho, cause the elevator is old and often broken. 

my biggest advice is just walk around and get a sense of neighborhoods.  i literally stood on my current street two years ago when i was in your shoes and said, "THIS is where i want to live!"  when i saw the ad for my place on craigslist, i figured the neighborhood was worth living in kind of a dumpy place... and it is.   :)

Thanks for the advice! No, I'm not set on a high rise. I just live in one now and there's things about it I really like that I don't think I'd find elsewhere (gym in the building, washer/dryer in unit, pool, garage parking, frontdesk/security). It may sound insignificant but I'm mostly thinking about my SO who is moving with me. She's leaving the city she's lived in for 5+ years and all of her friends to move to an entirely new one where I'll be MIA most of the time and especially in the summers if I don't work in Philly. I know it will be enough stress as it is, so little things like not having to look for street parking, not worrying about break-ins, no need to pay extra for a gym membership, not needing quarters in order to do laundry etc... can go a long way. We've obviously survived just fine without those amenities before and could again, but having experienced it both ways in a city, I think the whole high rise "package" would be our preference. But again, it's just a preference.

As for brownstones, I just assumed that any apartment in a brownstone would be a basement apartment and I know I don't want that -  my allergies act up. If it was on the 1st or 2nd floor that would be awesome. I will definitely look in the filter sq area this weekend. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on February 18, 2008, 06:07:37 PM

are you set on a high rise?  my favorite places are the cute brownstone apartments around fitler sq... i couldn't find one that takes dogs, so i settled for a crappy small apartment building in filtler square... so i can look at the other pretty brownstones.   :)

fitler commons is in a great, more neighborhoody location... don't live on the top floor, tho, cause the elevator is old and often broken. 

my biggest advice is just walk around and get a sense of neighborhoods.  i literally stood on my current street two years ago when i was in your shoes and said, "THIS is where i want to live!"  when i saw the ad for my place on craigslist, i figured the neighborhood was worth living in kind of a dumpy place... and it is.   :)

Thanks for the advice! No, I'm not set on a high rise. I just live in one now and there's things about it I really like that I don't think I'd find elsewhere (gym in the building, washer/dryer in unit, pool, garage parking, frontdesk/security). It may sound insignificant but I'm mostly thinking about my SO who is moving with me. She's leaving the city she's lived in for 5+ years and all of her friends to move to an entirely new one where I'll be MIA most of the time and especially in the summers if I don't work in Philly. I know it will be enough stress as it is, so little things like not having to look for street parking, not worrying about break-ins, no need to pay extra for a gym membership, not needing quarters in order to do laundry etc... can go a long way. We've obviously survived just fine without those amenities before and could again, but having experienced it both ways in a city, I think the whole high rise "package" would be our preference. But again, it's just a preference.

As for brownstones, I just assumed that any apartment in a brownstone would be a basement apartment and I know I don't want that -  my allergies act up. If it was on the 1st or 2nd floor that would be awesome. I will definitely look in the filter sq area this weekend. 

you just named everything I love about Domus...come live here!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: nakanaka on February 19, 2008, 07:01:34 AM
Anyone know where they are staying over ASW?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 19, 2008, 07:09:46 AM
Anyone know where they are staying over ASW?

In my apartment  ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 19, 2008, 07:36:32 AM


you just named everything I love about Domus...come live here!

You may have already answered this but do you plan to stay there next year? What's the typical trend - Domus for a year then move to CC? Or are there students who stay there 2-3 years?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on February 19, 2008, 09:50:51 AM
Anyone know where they are staying over ASW?

I think I am going to go with the Club Quarter.  The Penn rate isn't bad and I feel like since I am going to be wandering around looking at housing options anyway, I'd rather be around the Rittenhouse area as opposed to the UC side, where I don't plan on living.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Eggshell Shin Vosburg on February 19, 2008, 11:25:57 AM
Anyone know where they are staying over ASW?

I think I am going to go with the Club Quarter.  The Penn rate isn't bad and I feel like since I am going to be wandering around looking at housing options anyway, I'd rather be around the Rittenhouse area as opposed to the UC side, where I don't plan on living.

Club Quarters is dirt. FYI.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on February 19, 2008, 12:11:03 PM
I too will be at the Club Quarters...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: just ducky on February 19, 2008, 12:25:40 PM
I asked to get put with a student host. I'm only staying Friday night, and I personally just didn't see the point in paying for a hotel room.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on February 19, 2008, 09:02:54 PM


you just named everything I love about Domus...come live here!

You may have already answered this but do you plan to stay there next year? What's the typical trend - Domus for a year then move to CC? Or are there students who stay there 2-3 years?

This is the first year that Domus has been open, so there isn't really a trend yet.  I'd say about 2/3rds of the people I know here are staying.  Some of them signed a two-year lease from the start, others are renewing.  The rest (including me most likely) are probably moving to CC.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on February 19, 2008, 10:43:45 PM
I just got my packet in the mail and was very impressed. I'm falling harder every day :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 19, 2008, 11:34:10 PM
I just got my packet in the mail and was very impressed. I'm falling harder every day :)

yay!  feel free to pm me if you have specific Qs.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 20, 2008, 08:14:01 AM
I just got my packet in the mail and was very impressed. I'm falling harder every day :)

Come...Join us...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on February 20, 2008, 12:25:03 PM


you just named everything I love about Domus...come live here!

You may have already answered this but do you plan to stay there next year? What's the typical trend - Domus for a year then move to CC? Or are there students who stay there 2-3 years?

I'm staying here at least one more year, and since moving is such a pain, probably for the next two years.  I know 4 other students who are staying here the entire time they are in school.

and regarding where to stay for ASW, i'd actually recommend staying with a student.  I'm a host for the ASW, so maybe you'll be lucky enough to live on my couch for the weekend! :)  But seriously, staying with a student helped me a lot in making my decision to come to penn- it basically sealed the deal for me (and I'm still very good friends with the guy who hosted me).  One way in particular that it helps is that you get all the inside scoop on your profs and you come into penn law knowing at least one 2L. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 20, 2008, 01:23:05 PM


you just named everything I love about Domus...come live here!

You may have already answered this but do you plan to stay there next year? What's the typical trend - Domus for a year then move to CC? Or are there students who stay there 2-3 years?

I'm staying here at least one more year, and since moving is such a pain, probably for the next two years.  I know 4 other students who are staying here the entire time they are in school.

and regarding where to stay for ASW, i'd actually recommend staying with a student.  I'm a host for the ASW, so maybe you'll be lucky enough to live on my couch for the weekend! :)  But seriously, staying with a student helped me a lot in making my decision to come to penn- it basically sealed the deal for me (and I'm still very good friends with the guy who hosted me).  One way in particular that it helps is that you get all the inside scoop on your profs and you come into penn law knowing at least one 2L. 

But I thought that's why we talk to people on here  ;)

Anyway, are you involved with any of the preview day events?  I am going and was wondering if you'd be around for a real face-to-face chat about some questions I have about the LS.

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 20, 2008, 03:39:00 PM
Where do you find information about all this ASW stuff?

I found most of the information on the Admitted Students Website when I RSVP'd for ASW. It had a schedule of events and also asked if you wanted to stay with a student host.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 20, 2008, 09:47:00 PM
Hey guys, guess what?  I'm going to be a Legal Writing Instructor next year!  So when people ask you who your LWI is, you can say, "Legapp!"   :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on February 21, 2008, 05:53:24 AM
Hey guys, guess what?  I'm going to be a Legal Writing Instructor next year!  So when people ask you who your LWI is, you can say, "Legapp!"   :)

Congrats!!  :D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on February 21, 2008, 05:54:30 AM
But I thought that's why we talk to people on here  ;)

Anyway, are you involved with any of the preview day events?  I am going and was wondering if you'd be around for a real face-to-face chat about some questions I have about the LS.

I'm not officially involved, but I'll be around during the day (and i'll help out of admissions needs anyone).  PM sent

Oh, and congrats legapp :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 21, 2008, 06:14:35 AM
cool, legapp...congrats!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on February 21, 2008, 06:53:07 AM
Congrats Legapp!

As we get closer to the summer, law school is starting to feel more and more "real."
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on February 21, 2008, 12:13:44 PM
I've heard from my last few schools, and I am now 100% decided on Penn!   And, congrats Legapp!

Do any current students know how much the discount is for laptops if you buy them through Penn?  You can't logon without your PennKey and I am curious to find out if it is any better than the discount I can get through my dad (who works for Intel).  Thanks! 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on February 21, 2008, 12:42:45 PM
Does Penn match scholarships? Has anyone tried this or written a letter asking for scholarship $? Any success?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 21, 2008, 12:44:03 PM
Does Penn match scholarships? Has anyone tried this or written a letter asking for scholarship $? Any success?

they might not MATCH, but chances are good they can improve your offer.  it's a good idea to try this with EVERYONE, i think.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: michigander on February 22, 2008, 08:22:40 AM
so...does anybody have any info about the toll public interest scholarship? when they inform people? what the program is like?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: just ducky on February 22, 2008, 08:27:31 AM
I applied for the toll public interest scholarship, but I don't know anything about how/when they notify people.

anyone have any info to share about this?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on February 22, 2008, 05:10:44 PM
I applied too. No word yet. Does anyone know if they hold interviews?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 22, 2008, 05:16:13 PM
I applied for the toll public interest scholarship, but I don't know anything about how/when they notify people.

anyone have any info to share about this?

Went to preview day today.  No interviews for the Toll scholly, but they will let you know in April.  At least that's what they say...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: just ducky on February 22, 2008, 05:28:52 PM
grrr... april is so far away!  I hope it's early april at least - some schools I applied to have deposit dates of april 15, and this is definitely a factor that will influence my decision!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: just ducky on February 22, 2008, 06:00:24 PM
I'm interested in child advocacy and civil rights law, and the way they overlap.

I'm also interested in gender and sexuality law.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 23, 2008, 07:40:02 AM
I'm interested in child advocacy and civil rights law, and the way they overlap.

I'm also interested in gender and sexuality law.

as a 2L, you'll want to be sure to take appellate advocacy with marsha levick, who founded the juvenile law center:  http://www.law.upenn.edu/cf/faculty/mlevick/

it's so crazy how rights differ for children in juvenile court proceedings... i would have thought if there was any variance from adult trials, it would have gone in the child's favor, but instead it is just the opposite.  no rights to a jury trial AT ALL for juveniles.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: t L on February 23, 2008, 08:39:27 AM
Two questions for anybody willing to help:

1) For current students: Does anybody know how competitive/popular the JD/MA Lauder program is?  Is it difficult to get admitted as a Penn 1L?

2) Anybody who cares to help:  I was recently deferred at Penn, and I didn't initially write a "Why Penn?" but did write two of the other essays.  Would it be stupid to send in a "Why Penn" now?  And if not, does it have to cover many reasons or could I speak mainly on my interest in this program and briefly on other reasons?


I apologize if this info was covered already in this thread.  TYIA.


Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 23, 2008, 09:08:44 AM
Write a why penn.  absolutely.

I don't think it has to cover many reasons, but I do think you should touch on something other than this one program.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 23, 2008, 09:13:01 AM
Write a why penn.  absolutely.

I don't think it has to cover many reasons, but I do think you should touch on something other than this one program.

TITCR.  The WhyPenn is pretty much essential for them.  Penn is very much a "fit" school, and they want people that really want to go there.

PM me and I'll read it if you like.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on February 23, 2008, 09:39:06 AM
Thirding the above -- definitely write a Why Penn!  And while I wouldn't focus 100% on the Lauder program, don't stretch yourself too far, either -- just make it about you.  Mine talked about the interdisciplinary aspect of the school, but also about how I liked that they weren't just giving lip service to diversity (the first woman graduated from Penn Law in the 1880s, as opposed to certain peer schools who didn't admit women until the 1960s), and about how much fun I had living in Philly for a summer during undergrad.

Good luck!  PM me if you'd like another set of eyes to look it over.  :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: michigander on February 23, 2008, 09:49:05 AM
To those who applied for the scholarship, what kind of law are you interested in?

I'm interested in women;s rights and its intersections with the law.

I'm also bummed that we won't hear till April, it is definitely a big factor in my decision. I'm not getting my hopes up though -- I was stupid and turned in the app a few days before the due date only to be told that the scholarship process was "rolling." I'm reasonably confident that they already had most if not all the scholars picked out before the due date...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: t L on February 23, 2008, 10:36:56 AM
Thanks for the advice everyone.  And I will be taking those who offered to read up on their offers.  Be on the lookout!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: cerise on February 24, 2008, 12:34:29 AM
anyone hear about scholarship offers yet?  particularly the James Wilson?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on February 27, 2008, 02:41:20 PM
Crap!  The cheap hotel Penn was offering for their ASW is booked.  Just in case anybody else was wondering if they waited too long-- yep, we did.

Anyway, I was in Philly today for a doctors appointment and I started to get excited.  6 months...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: princetonug on February 28, 2008, 05:35:48 PM
Can anyone discuss employment prospects in a down economy like this one? Even in rosier times, Anthony Ciolli could only get a marginal job (which he was fired from). Is this atypical?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on February 29, 2008, 03:52:46 AM
Crap!  The cheap hotel Penn was offering for their ASW is booked.  Just in case anybody else was wondering if they waited too long-- yep, we did.

Anyway, I was in Philly today for a doctors appointment and I started to get excited.  6 months...

Turns out I lied.  You have to call and assure the operator that there are rooms reserved for the ASW event and give them the UNI code.  Then they relent and let you have a room.  :)


Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 29, 2008, 06:33:25 AM
Can anyone discuss employment prospects in a down economy like this one? Even in rosier times, Anthony Ciolli could only get a marginal job (which he was fired from). Is this atypical?

are you kidding?  anthony ciolli had a lot of other issues that essentially rendered his law degree useless.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on February 29, 2008, 12:00:38 PM
oh myyyyy I actually know where I'm gonna be in the Fall next year...
yayyy PENN! ;D


is University City that bad? I need my own place for about $600-700 (yea I'm middle class poor so I can't afford an expensive place on my own and I prolly wont get enough ... if any... financial aid :-\)

My sister lives in Center City right now so I know the area and really like it but I dont know if I can afford it or if living far away from the campus is gonna be a huge pain...

decisions decisions


This is kinda fun. :D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 29, 2008, 12:08:33 PM
oh myyyyy I actually know where I'm gonna be in the Fall next year...
yayyy PENN! ;D


is University City that bad? I need my own place for about $600-700 (yea I'm middle class poor so I can't afford an expensive place on my own and I prolly wont get enough ... if any... financial aid :-\)

My sister lives in Center City right now so I know the area and really like it but I dont know if I can afford it or if living far away from the campus is gonna be a huge pain...

decisions decisions


This is kinda fun. :D

Congrats again!! Be sure to join our facebook group!

I'm also leaning toward University City. I want to be close to campus/the library etc..
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on February 29, 2008, 01:38:02 PM

I'm also leaning toward University City. I want to be close to campus/the library etc..

You just want to have a movie theater in your building...damn Domus  ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: just ducky on February 29, 2008, 01:41:19 PM
oh myyyyy I actually know where I'm gonna be in the Fall next year...
yayyy PENN! ;D


is University City that bad? I need my own place for about $600-700 (yea I'm middle class poor so I can't afford an expensive place on my own and I prolly wont get enough ... if any... financial aid :-\)

My sister lives in Center City right now so I know the area and really like it but I dont know if I can afford it or if living far away from the campus is gonna be a huge pain...

decisions decisions


This is kinda fun. :D

If I end up at Penn (which is a strong possibility at this point but not for sure) I am also planning on living in University City.  My husband is in grad school in Baltimore (where we live now) and he will be staying here, in the house we own, for the next 2 years while I'm in law school.  Since I'll be leaving pretty often on weekends to come down to Baltimore, all I really want in Philly is a place close to school where I can sleep. and hopefully somewhere that I can have my dog, too.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 29, 2008, 03:21:31 PM

I'm also leaning toward University City. I want to be close to campus/the library etc..

You just want to have a movie theater in your building...damn Domus  ;)

lol shhhhhh. I want to be close to the library ok?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 29, 2008, 06:15:25 PM
man, my advocacy skills must be pretty sucky, since i seem to have convinced NONE of you to live in center city...  :-[

for cheap, somewhat crappy places in cc, try green street realty.  also look at center city realty, which has several places just south of south that are much more affordable.  the area around 12th/13th st, which is very fun, can also be a bit cheaper, as is queens village and the italian market.  one other thing to consider is the subway--some upperclassmen live in old city, which is very quick because you can take the subway.



Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 29, 2008, 07:15:39 PM
man, my advocacy skills must be pretty sucky, since i seem to have convinced NONE of you to live in center city...  :-[

for cheap, somewhat crappy places in cc, try green street realty.  also look at center city realty, which has several places just south of south that are much more affordable.  the area around 12th/13th st, which is very fun, can also be a bit cheaper, as is queens village and the italian market.  one other thing to consider is the subway--some upperclassmen live in old city, which is very quick because you can take the subway.




haha. you can keep trying - I'm not sold either way. I'm curious - why would you recommend CC over somewhere like say Left Bank where walking to Penn is an option and CC is right there (or seems to be). I'm not questioning you - I really want to know more about 'why CC'
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on February 29, 2008, 08:50:49 PM
man, my advocacy skills must be pretty sucky, since i seem to have convinced NONE of you to live in center city...  :-[

for cheap, somewhat crappy places in cc, try green street realty.  also look at center city realty, which has several places just south of south that are much more affordable.  the area around 12th/13th st, which is very fun, can also be a bit cheaper, as is queens village and the italian market.  one other thing to consider is the subway--some upperclassmen live in old city, which is very quick because you can take the subway.






actuallyyy... you're part of the reason why I'm rethinking my whole housing situation so dont feel bad about ur skillz :P


I don't know I'm not a huge partier anymore.  I got that out of my system during undergrad. So the "social scene" isn't a huge factor. I just want a decent place thats cheap and convienent.  The whole "dont go down this street too far or you'll get mugged" is not something I wanna deal with... so I'm starting to lean towards CC...
also idk CC just seems like a happier place to be (totally not based on anything)

In terms of grocceries and other such lame everyday things how does CC and UC compare?

How soon do I really need to be figuring out housing? like actively go down to Philly and check out the places/talk to the landlords?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on February 29, 2008, 08:54:46 PM
Financial Aid Question for all you all
We dont need to fill out the Parent part of the FAFSA, do we?

It says in the financial aid booklet that came in the package that the student info is needed for the FAFSA and the student and parent info for the NeedAccess

Did I read that correctly?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 29, 2008, 09:25:23 PM
haha. you can keep trying - I'm not sold either way. I'm curious - why would you recommend CC over somewhere like say Left Bank where walking to Penn is an option and CC is right there (or seems to be). I'm not questioning you - I really want to know more about 'why CC'

When you walk out the front door of Left Bank, you see big slabs of grey concrete and empty parking lots (part of Penn's 20 yr plan is to change this, but it won't matter while you're in school).  There are no other residents around, and the only people who live in the Left Bank are other students.  There is no sense of community, since everyone is transient.

OTOH, in the Fitler Square area, there are still a lot of graduate students, but there are also permanent residents who care about making it a great place to live.  When I walk out my front door, I see charming owner-inhabited townhouses, trees, and brick sidewalks.  On my corner is a gourmet take-out shop where the owner oohs over my dog and keeps a jar of doggie treats behind the counter for her.  Down the block is the dog run, where I meet lots of cool dogs, which makes me happy no matter how stressed I am about law school.   :)  There are biannual festivals in that park, and there are also community parties in Fitler Square itself.  The same people come to the farmer's market every Saturday, and they explain how to cook different vegetables.    The "pepper man" is especially cool.  I also like the jewelry artist who's often there.  A block away, the art gallery have opening receptions the first Friday of every month.  Andro's sells ice cream and the best desserts.  A few blocks further is Rittenhouse, where you can bring a blanket and have a picnic while you study.   
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on February 29, 2008, 09:40:57 PM
actuallyyy... you're part of the reason why I'm rethinking my whole housing situation so dont feel bad about ur skillz :P

I don't know I'm not a huge partier anymore.  I got that out of my system during undergrad. So the "social scene" isn't a huge factor. I just want a decent place thats cheap and convienent.  The whole "dont go down this street too far or you'll get mugged" is not something I wanna deal with... so I'm starting to lean towards CC...
also idk CC just seems like a happier place to be (totally not based on anything)

In terms of groceries and other such lame everyday things how does CC and UC compare?

How soon do I really need to be figuring out housing? like actively go down to Philly and check out the places/talk to the landlords?

I addressed most of what I love about my nabe in the last post... but as far as grocery stores go, I must say I'm on the Trader Joe's bandwagon.  It's awesome--delicious, healthy (ish) food and great prices... it's at Market & 22nd.  For upscale gourmet treats, particularly in the cheese area, DiBruno Brothers at 18th & Chestnut is amazing (even if you just go for the free samples).  Their marina sauce and olive oil is expensive, but completely worth it.  For necessities (toilet paper and whatnot), I usually just stop at RiteAid (23rd and Walnut) on the way home--it's also good because it's open 24 hours.  In the other direction, there's a regular grocery store on South St. and 23rd, and a liquor store on South at about 24th.  But the food is so good at Bacchus (23rd and Spruce) that I don't grocery shop as much as my wallet would probably like!   ;)

If you want a highrise, you need to put yourself on the waiting lists now.  Otherwise, most places won't even have listings until three months in advance, and often there's even less lead time than that.  I think I found my place (via Craigslist) in June.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 01, 2008, 06:55:46 AM
[quote author="Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" link=topic=98539.msg2628782#msg2628782 date=1204350057

If you want a highrise, you need to put yourself on the waiting lists now.  Otherwise, most places won't even have listings until three months in advance, and often there's even less lead time than that.  I think I found my place (via Craigslist) in June.
[/quote]


This is stressful.  My biggest fear is finding a place I think will work, moving in, starting classes and then realizing that I am going to miserable for the rest of the year but too busy to move.  (That's what happened to me this year...)  I just want a spacious, pet-friendly, inexpensive, safe place with easy access to the school yet nowhere near undergraduate hot spots that won't cost me a trillion dollars a month.  Is that so much to ask?!   ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 01, 2008, 07:03:52 AM
And BTW... There is Penn money showing up on LSN within the past few days.  Anyone in here among the lucky?  I guess it's time for me to start stalking my mailbox again.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 01, 2008, 07:54:51 AM
I just want a spacious, pet-friendly, inexpensive, safe place with easy access to the school yet nowhere near undergraduate hot spots that won't cost me a trillion dollars a month.  Is that so much to ask?!   ;)

Haha, when you find this magical place, let me know!  :D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on March 01, 2008, 09:00:53 AM
[quote author="Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" link=topic=98539.msg2628782#msg2628782 date=1204350057

If you want a highrise, you need to put yourself on the waiting lists now. Otherwise, most places won't even have listings until three months in advance, and often there's even less lead time than that. I think I found my place (via Craigslist) in June.


This is stressful.  My biggest fear is finding a place I think will work, moving in, starting classes and then realizing that I am going to miserable for the rest of the year but too busy to move.  (That's what happened to me this year...)  I just want a spacious, pet-friendly, inexpensive, safe place with easy access to the school yet nowhere near undergraduate hot spots that won't cost me a trillion dollars a month.  Is that so much to ask?!   ;)
[/quote]

Just come down and check out neighborhoods--the rest you can do remotely.  You're not going to want to move once you signed a lease regardless.

As far as money goes, it just depends what you plan to do after law school.  Most people--including me--will work at firms in order to pay down their loans.  If you're willing to do this, it's worth it to pay more for an apartment now if it will make you substantially happier. 

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 01, 2008, 09:39:43 AM
[quote author="Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" link=topic=98539.msg2628782#msg2628782 date=1204350057

If you want a highrise, you need to put yourself on the waiting lists now. Otherwise, most places won't even have listings until three months in advance, and often there's even less lead time than that. I think I found my place (via Craigslist) in June.


This is stressful.  My biggest fear is finding a place I think will work, moving in, starting classes and then realizing that I am going to miserable for the rest of the year but too busy to move.  (That's what happened to me this year...)  I just want a spacious, pet-friendly, inexpensive, safe place with easy access to the school yet nowhere near undergraduate hot spots that won't cost me a trillion dollars a month.  Is that so much to ask?!   ;)

Just come down and check out neighborhoods--the rest you can do remotely.  You're not going to want to move once you signed a lease regardless.

As far as money goes, it just depends what you plan to do after law school.  Most people--including me--will work at firms in order to pay down their loans.  If you're willing to do this, it's worth it to pay more for an apartment now if it will make you substantially happier. 


[/quote]

I'm just concerned about the small living expenses you can build in to the max. loan amt.  I am no stranger to debt and I'm not afraid of a little (or a lot) more, but how do you recommend getting by on what they allow you to borrow?  Are you paying your utilities on credit or something?  I just don't see how I could make it work with what they say you can have.  So for me, it's not about being particularly frugal-- it's more about not knowing how to get by otherwise.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on March 01, 2008, 11:08:10 AM
[quote author="Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" link=topic=98539.msg2628782#msg2628782 date=1204350057

If you want a highrise, you need to put yourself on the waiting lists now. Otherwise, most places won't even have listings until three months in advance, and often there's even less lead time than that. I think I found my place (via Craigslist) in June.


This is stressful.  My biggest fear is finding a place I think will work, moving in, starting classes and then realizing that I am going to miserable for the rest of the year but too busy to move.  (That's what happened to me this year...)  I just want a spacious, pet-friendly, inexpensive, safe place with easy access to the school yet nowhere near undergraduate hot spots that won't cost me a trillion dollars a month.  Is that so much to ask?!   ;)

Just come down and check out neighborhoods--the rest you can do remotely.  You're not going to want to move once you signed a lease regardless.

As far as money goes, it just depends what you plan to do after law school.  Most people--including me--will work at firms in order to pay down their loans.  If you're willing to do this, it's worth it to pay more for an apartment now if it will make you substantially happier. 



I'm just concerned about the small living expenses you can build in to the max. loan amt.  I am no stranger to debt and I'm not afraid of a little (or a lot) more, but how do you recommend getting by on what they allow you to borrow?  Are you paying your utilities on credit or something?  I just don't see how I could make it work with what they say you can have.  So for me, it's not about being particularly frugal-- it's more about not knowing how to get by otherwise.
[/quote]

You can apply to increase your loan cap; you don't really need a specific reason beyond "my rent is high."
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 02, 2008, 08:03:45 AM
[quote author="Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" link=topic=98539.msg2628782#msg2628782 date=1204350057

If you want a highrise, you need to put yourself on the waiting lists now. Otherwise, most places won't even have listings until three months in advance, and often there's even less lead time than that. I think I found my place (via Craigslist) in June.


This is stressful.  My biggest fear is finding a place I think will work, moving in, starting classes and then realizing that I am going to miserable for the rest of the year but too busy to move.  (That's what happened to me this year...)  I just want a spacious, pet-friendly, inexpensive, safe place with easy access to the school yet nowhere near undergraduate hot spots that won't cost me a trillion dollars a month.  Is that so much to ask?!   ;)

Just come down and check out neighborhoods--the rest you can do remotely.  You're not going to want to move once you signed a lease regardless.

As far as money goes, it just depends what you plan to do after law school.  Most people--including me--will work at firms in order to pay down their loans.  If you're willing to do this, it's worth it to pay more for an apartment now if it will make you substantially happier. 



I'm just concerned about the small living expenses you can build in to the max. loan amt.  I am no stranger to debt and I'm not afraid of a little (or a lot) more, but how do you recommend getting by on what they allow you to borrow?  Are you paying your utilities on credit or something?  I just don't see how I could make it work with what they say you can have.  So for me, it's not about being particularly frugal-- it's more about not knowing how to get by otherwise.

You can apply to increase your loan cap; you don't really need a specific reason beyond "my rent is high."
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Interesting.  So, in your expert opinion  :), what kind of monthly rent do you think a 1L could swing, without outside help from parents/jobs/etc?  Actually, if anybody has input on this, I would love to hear it.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on March 02, 2008, 11:13:16 AM
Hey everyone! I just got in a couple of days ago  :) I'll be at ASW this month so I hope to meet lots of people there!

I have so many questions about housing, grading, and atmosphere so please bare with me.

1. Are there any other lofts to look out for? Is it better to go for the high rises or search for buildings that are renovated/nice. I'm really concerned with quality of life so any advice there would be great.
2. Are students ranked? Is ranking released? And is rank/gpa released to firms? I know at Michigan that stuff is kept secret and firms don't see that information until after you have secured a job. Is that true of Penn?
3. Is Penn really collegial? I went to a ugrad that people said would be full of competitive, rich, snobby kids but I found that this was only a small minority of kids. Nonetheless, I have a fear of douchey children. Any commentary on atmosphere and collegiality would be great!

First, congrats!  Glad to hear you are coming to the ASW.  Students aren't ranked- the only sort of ranking you will ever find out is the order of the coif (top 10 or 20%, i forget) at graduation.  Other than that, students are forbidden from even trying to figure out their GPA or class rank.  We aren't allowed to put our GPA or estimated class rank (which we haven't calculated, remember? :P) on our resumes.  However, firms will ask for transcripts, and Penn will release those- they just won't ever release a calculated GPA or a rank.

Collegiality is our buzzword, but its legit.  I obviously cannot speak to other schools, but Penn is very laid back.  The 1Ls have our big appellate brief due on Wednesday, and people are still taking the time to help each other out in the library and answer questions, even under an extreme time crunch such as this one.  Penn's atmosphere and student body sold me on the school last year when I came to the ASW, and I hope you have the same experience!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on March 02, 2008, 01:45:02 PM
Hey everyone! I just got in a couple of days ago  :) I'll be at ASW this month so I hope to meet lots of people there!

I have so many questions about housing, grading, and atmosphere so please bare with me.

1. Are there any other lofts to look out for? Is it better to go for the high rises or search for buildings that are renovated/nice. I'm really concerned with quality of life so any advice there would be great.
2. Are students ranked? Is ranking released? And is rank/gpa released to firms? I know at Michigan that stuff is kept secret and firms don't see that information until after you have secured a job. Is that true of Penn?
3. Is Penn really collegial? I went to a ugrad that people said would be full of competitive, rich, snobby kids but I found that this was only a small minority of kids. Nonetheless, I have a fear of douchey children. Any commentary on atmosphere and collegiality would be great!

Thanks guys!

In response to the question of how much you should pay in rent, I think about $1k is affordable enough to be within the Penn loan cap but high enough that you can live alone in a decent place (or share a super nice place).

1.  People have had problems with Riverwest, but lots of students live there because it tends to be pretty affordable (and it takes dogs).  I really think the prices Domus is asking for are insane for west Philly.  I prefer living in the townhouse/small apt area because it feels more like a neighborhood, but to each his own. 
2.  As M1 said, no rankings here.  You will eventually learn if you're in the top 25% (cum laude cutoff), 10% (coif), 5% (magna), or 1% (summa).  Firms are not allowed to prescreen, so everyone gets a shot to interview regardless of grades.
3.  Yes.   :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on March 03, 2008, 09:48:36 AM
so I'm seriously considering the Rittenhouse Dist in CC... (around 19th and Chestnut) any particular gut opinions?

also how often do you have to stay late on Campus? (late to the point where it is creepy taking the subway back)

do ppl use the Penn transit shuttles? convenience?

Grazie.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 03, 2008, 02:01:14 PM
Financial Aid question... I'm confused as to how this works. I've filled out Fafsa and Need Access. My Fafsa EFC is 0 and I'm estimating the Need Access EFC based on my parent's info won't be more than $8,000.(Do you ever see this EFC?)Anyway, after the $18,500(?) in stafford loans and the $8,000 Need Access EFC will Penn give grant money for the remaining cost? Or do I need to take out private loans? Or both? I went to a state university so everything beyond my EFC came in loans and a small grant. My sister goes to a private university and everything after the EFC comes in grants. I know UG and law school are different, as are public and private institutions, but any idea how this works at Penn?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 03, 2008, 04:02:58 PM
Financial Aid question... I'm confused as to how this works. I've filled out Fafsa and Need Access. My Fafsa EFC is 0 and I'm estimating the Need Access EFC based on my parent's info won't be more than $8,000.(Do you ever see this EFC?)Anyway, after the $18,500(?) in stafford loans and the $8,000 Need Access EFC will Penn give grant money for the remaining cost? Or do I need to take out private loans? Or both? I went to a state university so everything beyond my EFC came in loans and a small grant. My sister goes to a private university and everything after the EFC comes in grants. I know UG and law school are different, as are public and private institutions, but any idea how this works at Penn?

You'll get some grant money, some university-issued loans, and you'll need to take out private loans for the rest.  Sadly, professional schools aren't nearly as generous with their grants as their undergrad counterparts.  I highly recommend Northstar/THE for your private loans -- they're a nonprofit and thus a little less likely to screw you over than Citibank, etc.  Your need-based grants may also be unevenly distributed -- my largest grant was for this year, and 3L will be the smallest -- presumably because they expect you to be able to contribute more from your summer job after 2L.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: cerise on March 04, 2008, 04:12:52 PM
Ok, I'm flying in to Philadelphia for ASW on THursday Night.  Does anyone know what is the best way to get from the airport to campus or wherever the student host lives?  Also, how does this travel reimbursement work? Do I just send a printout of my airplane ticket confirmation page with the amount paid?  thanks!!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on March 04, 2008, 07:16:17 PM
if you're new to the city, the best way to get to Penn from the airport is a taxi...it's about 30-35 bucks...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 04, 2008, 08:02:41 PM
You can also take regional rail to either University City or 30th Street station for $7, if you'd rather save some cash.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on March 04, 2008, 08:11:06 PM
The cost is a good point, as I don't think the travel subsidy includes tax service...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on March 04, 2008, 08:58:23 PM
so I'm seriously considering the Rittenhouse Dist in CC... (around 19th and Chestnut) any particular gut opinions?

also how often do you have to stay late on Campus? (late to the point where it is creepy taking the subway back)

do ppl use the Penn transit shuttles? convenience?

Grazie.

As a 1L, I was rarely on campus past 5 or 6.  Once I started doing journal work as a 2L, I ended up being stuck kind of late.  If it's too late to walk (past 10pm, unless you have a buddy), I take the Penn Bus.  It's free and comes twice-three times an hour... it also stops right outside my house.   :)  I think south of Walnut is the cutest area, but it's just my opinion.... definitely you will be very close to the best restaurants and bars at 19th and Chestnut.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 05, 2008, 05:29:31 AM
so I'm seriously considering the Rittenhouse Dist in CC... (around 19th and Chestnut) any particular gut opinions?

also how often do you have to stay late on Campus? (late to the point where it is creepy taking the subway back)

do ppl use the Penn transit shuttles? convenience?

Grazie.

As a 1L, I was rarely on campus past 5 or 6.  Once I started doing journal work as a 2L, I ended up being stuck kind of late.  If it's too late to walk (past 10pm, unless you have a buddy), I take the Penn Bus.  It's free and comes twice-three times an hour... it also stops right outside my house.   :)  I think south of Walnut is the cutest area, but it's just my opinion.... definitely you will be very close to the best restaurants and bars at 19th and Chestnut.

Though if you're thinking of living in the 1930 Chestnut building, I'd warn against it.  That management company is totally evil.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: 'tiki on March 08, 2008, 06:10:37 AM
Ok, I'm flying in to Philadelphia for ASW on THursday Night.  Does anyone know what is the best way to get from the airport to campus or wherever the student host lives?  Also, how does this travel reimbursement work? Do I just send a printout of my airplane ticket confirmation page with the amount paid?  thanks!!

You can either take the rail for like $7 like Team Pam said, or get a cab which costs $26.25 flat rate from the airport into the city. As far as how the subsidy works, just bring your e-ticket/receipt with you.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: chastened aspirations on March 09, 2008, 01:45:05 AM
I'll be in Philly tomorrow (Sunday) night and Monday morning to visit UPenn. Will any students be around to grab a beer?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 09, 2008, 07:45:54 AM
I'll be in Philly tomorrow (Sunday) night and Monday morning to visit UPenn. Will any students be around to grab a beer?

Alas, it's spring break, so I think most of us are out of town (or out of the country if you're Towelie :)).
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on March 09, 2008, 11:50:15 AM
Ok, I'm flying in to Philadelphia for ASW on THursday Night.  Does anyone know what is the best way to get from the airport to campus or wherever the student host lives?  Also, how does this travel reimbursement work? Do I just send a printout of my airplane ticket confirmation page with the amount paid?  thanks!!

You can either take the rail for like $7 like Team Pam said, or get a cab which costs $26.25 flat rate from the airport into the city. As far as how the subsidy works, just bring your e-ticket/receipt with you.


Theres also Lady Liberty Shuttle which has a flat rate of 10 bucks... it basically work like a cab just call them up from the cab-calling kiosk thing at the airport... I took that the last time I flew to PHL
(it might take a little longer cuz you share the shuttle with other ppl and they get dropped off first... although the girl that was going to University City in the same shuttle as me got dropped off first)

HTH
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on March 09, 2008, 11:53:15 AM
so I'm seriously considering the Rittenhouse Dist in CC... (around 19th and Chestnut) any particular gut opinions?

also how often do you have to stay late on Campus? (late to the point where it is creepy taking the subway back)

do ppl use the Penn transit shuttles? convenience?

Grazie.

As a 1L, I was rarely on campus past 5 or 6.  Once I started doing journal work as a 2L, I ended up being stuck kind of late.  If it's too late to walk (past 10pm, unless you have a buddy), I take the Penn Bus.  It's free and comes twice-three times an hour... it also stops right outside my house.   :)  I think south of Walnut is the cutest area, but it's just my opinion.... definitely you will be very close to the best restaurants and bars at 19th and Chestnut.

Though if you're thinking of living in the 1930 Chestnut building, I'd warn against it.  That management company is totally evil.

ooo good to know! i was actually looking at that building


anyone hear anything good or bad about Chestnut Hall in University City?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: marcy projects on March 10, 2008, 02:16:00 PM
anyone else get an invitation to apply for the Levy on Friday? I'm wondering if this is a whole new round of nominations, or if they tacked me on to the end of the previous round because I emailed them about matching another scholarship offer.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: t L on March 10, 2008, 02:35:20 PM
I mailed my Why Penn off a couple of days ago.  The guy at the post office told me "Wow!  That's such a good school.  Good luck."

Le sigh.  I hope it works.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 10, 2008, 03:50:17 PM
anyone else get an invitation to apply for the Levy on Friday? I'm wondering if this is a whole new round of nominations, or if they tacked me on to the end of the previous round because I emailed them about matching another scholarship offer.

Probably a new round.

Numbers?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: marcy projects on March 10, 2008, 05:12:24 PM
anyone else get an invitation to apply for the Levy on Friday? I'm wondering if this is a whole new round of nominations, or if they tacked me on to the end of the previous round because I emailed them about matching another scholarship offer.

Probably a new round.

Numbers?

174/3.73
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on March 13, 2008, 06:33:31 PM
Anyone know when financial aid packages will be coming out? I'm getting antsy!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Terrible Ivan on March 14, 2008, 03:51:18 PM
Last year, I got an e-mail from Tony Henry on March 20 with the financial aid results (well, the username and password into the system to view the results).
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on March 16, 2008, 07:19:17 PM
Sweet. I hope it comes before the ASW. It would be nice to know where I stand before I go visit!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: marcy projects on March 17, 2008, 02:45:52 PM
Has anyone who applied for a Levy not received one? Does Penn notify all applicants whether or not they decide to offer them the scholarship?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 17, 2008, 03:39:17 PM
Sweet. I hope it comes before the ASW. It would be nice to know where I stand before I go visit!

Ditto.  I have so-so credit so I want to apply for loans as early as possible, just to make sure I can get one.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: 'tiki on March 17, 2008, 05:57:59 PM
For any of you wondering about financial aid. I asked today and was told that whoever had their materials in on time swould most likely receive their offer before ASW. HTH.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: quincym on March 18, 2008, 06:51:56 AM
Damn  >:( just got my parental information in.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: nakanaka on March 18, 2008, 07:41:21 PM
For any of you wondering about financial aid. I asked today and was told that whoever had their materials in on time swould most likely receive their offer before ASW. HTH.

Well that's interesting because the ASW is 10 days away. Did they say if it would come by snail mail or e-mail?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: abbygal0330 on March 19, 2008, 10:16:17 AM
Hi Everyone!

I am currently waitlisted at Upenn, but would love to attend, and as such I'm doing everything possible to get myself off of the darn WL. I've sent in an additional recommendation, and an updated resume, but they also give you the option to send a 2-page essay on a "topic of your choice"...

I came to this board because I'm weary of having others who may be pending at UPenn reading my essay, as I'm paranoid, and since you are all in already, I figured it wouldn't hurt for someone on here to proofread.

It's really moreso of a grammatical proofread than anything.

Any takers?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 19, 2008, 10:33:22 AM
I'll read it. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on March 19, 2008, 02:05:00 PM
I'll read it too.  Send me a pm.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 19, 2008, 03:12:04 PM
My parental info isn't necessary, but I got the email today just the same.  That's disappointing because it means that they haven't been working on it and that money is already going towards other candidates.

Are you sure they don't require it?  If I remember correctly, Penn has no age cutoff for parental information.  I was 26 and married and still had to submit it on Need Access.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on March 19, 2008, 03:17:30 PM
What is an acceptable time lapse for sending a second scholarship request? I really love Penn, and I sent a request to the scholarship committee about three weeks ago, but I have quite a few great other scholarship offers, the deadlines of which are impending. Can I nag?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 19, 2008, 05:28:08 PM
What is an acceptable time lapse for sending a second scholarship request? I really love Penn, and I sent a request to the scholarship committee about three weeks ago, but I have quite a few great other scholarship offers, the deadlines of which are impending. Can I nag?

Well, I think if you nag, they are just going to say no.  It looks like the only scholarship they would consider matching/doing anything about is the Northwestern one, but even then, it is 8 spots below Penn in the rankings, so they may not be too tempted to match.

I would wait and ask someone at ASW.  The financial aid people will be taking walk-ins that day AFAIK, and this may be the best time to talk to them.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on March 19, 2008, 06:09:05 PM
(Just updated my signature). I sent them the NU offer with my original request, but have gotten money from GULC, Michigan & Duke since then. Update or not to update?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 19, 2008, 06:44:47 PM
(Just updated my signature). I sent them the NU offer with my original request, but have gotten money from GULC, Michigan & Duke since then. Update or not to update?

Ahh!  Ok.  Well, if you have gotten MORE offers since then, then I think it is acceptable to send an update unless you are planning to go to ASW, in which case I would send an email regarding it and ask to talk to someone at ASW.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on March 19, 2008, 07:22:16 PM
Good call. I am going to the ASW, so maybe I'll write an email/call to make an appointment to talk to someone while I'm there, so I can say "pretty pretty please" in person!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 19, 2008, 07:27:02 PM
Good call. I am going to the ASW, so maybe I'll write an email/call to make an appointment to talk to someone while I'm there, so I can say "pretty pretty please" in person!

I would call the admissions office to make the appointment.  If you speak to Cheryl (the main receptionist), keep in mind two things:

1 - She is AWESOME and exceptionally sweet when you are nice to her

2- She has been there a LONG time and has A LOT of influence in what goes on.

Good luck!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on March 19, 2008, 08:31:20 PM
Thanks for the advice! I'll keep you posted :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 20, 2008, 07:55:15 AM
What is an acceptable time lapse for sending a second scholarship request? I really love Penn, and I sent a request to the scholarship committee about three weeks ago, but I have quite a few great other scholarship offers, the deadlines of which are impending. Can I nag?

CALL THEM.  Email takes about forever to get through the finaid system, but if you call, Dean Henry will usually call back the same day or the next -- this is what I had to do when I was up against scholarship deadlines last year, and he was very nice and helpful.  You can wait til ASW if you want, but if it were me, I'd call today.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on March 20, 2008, 03:51:46 PM
Last year, I got an e-mail from Tony Henry on March 20 with the financial aid results (well, the username and password into the system to view the results).

i got this email today... i <3 Penn even more. ;D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on March 20, 2008, 03:59:25 PM
I'm dying to hear my financial aid information from Penn.  When did you turn in all your financial aid stuff?

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on March 20, 2008, 04:03:23 PM
feb 29...i had my tax stuff and my parent info all mailed out that day too
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Phlootist on March 20, 2008, 04:07:00 PM
Hmm...well I had everything turned in and mailed my tax returns the week before that.  Maybe I'll get mine soon!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 20, 2008, 04:51:31 PM
Last year, I got an e-mail from Tony Henry on March 20 with the financial aid results (well, the username and password into the system to view the results).

i got this email today... i <3 Penn even more. ;D

I want one!  I wonder if there is a method to the financial aid madness-- like first to turn in paperwork, alphabetical by last name, first to apply...? 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on March 20, 2008, 06:13:18 PM
Last year, I got an e-mail from Tony Henry on March 20 with the financial aid results (well, the username and password into the system to view the results).

i got this email today... i <3 Penn even more. ;D

I want one!  I wonder if there is a method to the financial aid madness-- like first to turn in paperwork, alphabetical by last name, first to apply...? 


hehe lets see... i did apply ED... but then I got deferred
i turned in all my paperwork including photocopies of the tax forms the day before the deadline
middle of the alphabet in terms of last name

how about least likely to get merit-based scholarship money because they're a 'pity admit"? :P
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: nakanaka on March 21, 2008, 05:46:10 AM
Hmm...well I had everything turned in and mailed my tax returns the week before that.  Maybe I'll get mine soon!

I got mine yesterday, sent my stuff in early Feb. So there definitely does not seem to be a method. I hear everyone should hear in the next week, so you shouldn't have to wait much longer. Penn was my first financial aid award from a school I'm seriously considering, so I'm in the same boat, can't wait to hear from a couple others.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 21, 2008, 08:02:58 AM
I just got the email about the parental info too...Kind of confusing - they said that wasn't due until April 15th but everything else had a deadline of March 1st. I assumed they would do the package based on Fafsa/Need Access and then verify results when tax info was sent. I don't even think my parents have filed yet. This is going to be fun. So much for getting everything else in late January.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 21, 2008, 09:33:11 AM
I found an apartment in Philly today.  I'm so excited!  Historic brownstone in Rittenhouse, super charming and quiet and I want to move in NOW.   :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on March 21, 2008, 10:21:19 AM
I found an apartment in Philly today.  I'm so excited!  Historic brownstone in Rittenhouse, super charming and quiet and I want to move in NOW.   :)

sounds awesome!

on a different note...

...is anyone who is planning to be at the ASW next week interested in going to Atlantic City with me on Saturday?  I was probably going to take the 11:30 NJTransit train over there...it costs about $8 each way.

i warn you, I'm not fun in AC, since all I do is sit at a poker table, but if you are also a poker buff (or just want company on the trip down), let me know!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on March 21, 2008, 10:26:59 AM
I just got my financial aid info :(. I'm not eligible for any need-based grants, which is ironic, since neither I nor my husband have any money :(. Now I'm definitely going to call and beg for a scholarship!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 21, 2008, 02:15:40 PM
I just got my financial aid info :(. I'm not eligible for any need-based grants, which is ironic, since neither I nor my husband have any money :(. Now I'm definitely going to call and beg for a scholarship!

Same here.  But I did ED, so I have no leverage.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on March 21, 2008, 02:30:43 PM
tis a bummer. I'm afraid of 200k in debt :(
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 21, 2008, 03:17:35 PM
tis a bummer. I'm afraid of 200k in debt :(

I have that plus another 120 from undergrad and another 20 for grad.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: loowho on March 21, 2008, 03:23:30 PM
you win. I'm sorry  :-\
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 21, 2008, 06:05:29 PM
I got my fin aid notification-- and I feel fortunate to have gotten the award they gave me.

Did any of the rest of you modify the suggested budget?  I know that the current students have mentioned that you can get increases on your budget for living expenses, etc., but I am wondering if this is the way to do it. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 21, 2008, 08:55:38 PM
I got my fin aid notification-- and I feel fortunate to have gotten the award they gave me.

Did any of the rest of you modify the suggested budget?  I know that the current students have mentioned that you can get increases on your budget for living expenses, etc., but I am wondering if this is the way to do it. 

I'd like to know this too.  My rent is expensive and, despite their thinking to the contrary, I don't have any money, so I need to modify my budget to get more coin.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on March 21, 2008, 10:25:22 PM
got the financial aid email, but can't access the website!!  torture...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 22, 2008, 06:57:00 AM
got the financial aid email, but can't access the website!!  torture...

do you really want to attend a school that purposely tortures you?  ???

Yes.  ;D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 22, 2008, 07:07:43 AM
Here's my dilemma... My parents haven't filed their taxes yet. I talked to their accountant (my friend's dad) and he said they're filing for an extension like they did last year so they won't be filing until September. I don't know why, but that's what they do. I emailed Penn to see if their 2006 returns and W2s from this year would suffice instead b/c nothing has really changed for them but being the weekend I haven't heard back. Anyone else been in this situation? Do you think they'll accept this instead?   
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on March 22, 2008, 10:00:08 AM
got the financial aid email, but can't access the website!!  torture...

do you really want to attend a school that purposely tortures you?  ???

lol.  gawd, you are so cute.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on March 23, 2008, 12:47:16 PM
Hey, for those of you into IP/technology/entertainment law, check out Penn IP Group's new blog:  http://pipgblog.blogspot.com/

Hopefully that will get some of you newbies excited about LS (and help get us indexed in Google!).  It's amazing how many great events students put together every year.   :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 23, 2008, 05:28:11 PM
I got my fin aid notification-- and I feel fortunate to have gotten the award they gave me.

Did any of the rest of you modify the suggested budget?  I know that the current students have mentioned that you can get increases on your budget for living expenses, etc., but I am wondering if this is the way to do it. 

I'd like to know this too.  My rent is expensive and, despite their thinking to the contrary, I don't have any money, so I need to modify my budget to get more coin.

I sent an email asking about this, among other things.  I'll report back when I get a response.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: stewie griffin on March 24, 2008, 11:04:47 AM
Hey, for those of you into IP/technology/entertainment law, check out Penn IP Group's new blog:  http://pipgblog.blogspot.com/

Hopefully that will get some of you newbies excited about LS (and help get us indexed in Google!).  It's amazing how many great events students put together every year.   :)

The symposium looks like it was really interesting.  Do you mind asking Renee Post to give me a friendly phone call so I can start planning to join PIPG and all the other groups I'm interested in at Penn?  :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on March 24, 2008, 11:57:07 AM
Hey, for those of you into IP/technology/entertainment law, check out Penn IP Group's new blog:  http://pipgblog.blogspot.com/

Hopefully that will get some of you newbies excited about LS (and help get us indexed in Google!).  It's amazing how many great events students put together every year.   :)

The symposium looks like it was really interesting.  Do you mind asking Renee Post to give me a friendly phone call so I can start planning to join PIPG and all the other groups I'm interested in at Penn?  :)

LOL.  Wish I could, dude.   :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 24, 2008, 01:09:39 PM
Hey!  This is my frist post on LSD... but I read it all the time :)  Anyway, I'll be at UPenn next year and I can't wait to meet everyone! 

Welcome!! Join the facebook group if you haven't already - University of Pennsylvania Law School Class of 2011.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: cerise on March 24, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
has anyone heard from their student hosts for the ASW? 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: quincym on March 24, 2008, 02:53:52 PM
I have. Got a personal email from him to me and another admitted student.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: just ducky on March 24, 2008, 03:26:10 PM
i haven't heard anything from my host yet.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on March 24, 2008, 06:08:51 PM
if you guys don't hear soon, PM me with your name and I'll get in touch with your hosts to make sure they get ahold of you.  each of us who are hosting students got a master list with all your names and contact info, as well as who your host is, so we should be able to help.  I have the opposite problem as you guys- i e-mailed both of my students but they haven't gotten back to me yet.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 26, 2008, 05:25:38 PM
I can't remember what class I signed up for (for the ASW), so I don't know which passage to read. Does anyone know how to check this?

Referring to a 100+ page document as a "passage" is funny.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on March 26, 2008, 05:47:02 PM
They gave you a 100 page reading for a Mock Class?  Who is the professor? 

I can't remember what class I signed up for (for the ASW), so I don't know which passage to read. Does anyone know how to check this?

Referring to a 100+ page document as a "passage" is funny.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 26, 2008, 08:26:58 PM
They gave you a 100 page reading for a Mock Class?  Who is the professor? 

I can't remember what class I signed up for (for the ASW), so I don't know which passage to read. Does anyone know how to check this?

Referring to a 100+ page document as a "passage" is funny.

Crap.  I clearly made the wrong decision.  The criminal law reading for Morse is about 5 pages; the IP reading for Wagner is about 115.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on March 26, 2008, 08:46:11 PM
Wow, I wonder if Wagner really meant to do that... the assignments were supposed to be 5-10 pages.  30 pages is usually what a reading assignment for one class day would be.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on March 26, 2008, 10:41:18 PM
its a mock class, don't worry about it.  I went to the Wagner mock class and exactly 0 questions came from the reading.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on March 27, 2008, 03:30:51 AM
its a mock class, don't worry about it.  I went to the Wagner mock class and exactly 0 questions came from the reading.

I'm not worried about it because I definitely didn't have time to read it.   :)

I do think it would have been nice to do a reading and have a class based on it.  Oh well!


Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 27, 2008, 06:23:10 AM
its a mock class, don't worry about it.  I went to the Wagner mock class and exactly 0 questions came from the reading.

Just don't be a gunner in the mock class like m1 was.  ;)  (jk... the real gunner ended up going to NYU instead)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on March 27, 2008, 06:57:12 AM
hahaha, get out of here.  i'm going to come upstairs and stuff your cute little dog, team pam :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on March 27, 2008, 02:24:16 PM
anybody going to the bowling tonight?  i'll be there in this shirt - http://www.threadless.com/product/844/Spoilt - you should come say hello!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: 'tiki on March 27, 2008, 03:21:47 PM
hahaha, get out of here.  i'm going to come upstairs and stuff your cute little dog, team pam :)

Don't you ever threaten Team Pam's dog.  >:(

T - 1 hr for ASW. ah!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on March 27, 2008, 08:14:18 PM
fyi to current students, the charlie brown play was sooo cute last night!  try to make it fri or sat if you can.

admits:  see you tomorrow!  i will be there representing if you want to say hi.   :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on March 28, 2008, 03:41:32 AM
I'm looking forward to meeting every one in a few hours.  I have red hair - that can't be too many of us.  If you see a dashing red head in a blue sweater, come say hi! 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 28, 2008, 06:41:43 AM
hahaha, get out of here.  i'm going to come upstairs and stuff your cute little dog, team pam :)

Don't you ever threaten Team Pam's dog.  >:(

T - 1 hr for ASW. ah!

Seriously!  Remind me not to let m1 know my new apartment number.  And thanks for defending P, 'tiki!!

0Ls, hope you're having a good time at ASW!  I'll be wandering around the activities fair this afternoon, probably mostly at the Lambda table.  Hope to meet some of you soon!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on March 29, 2008, 12:30:44 PM
Hope everyone enjoyed ASW- it was great to meet all of you at the various social events and at the dinner (even if we didn't realize it) . Let us know if you have any questions or concerns, and we'll all be more than happy to answer them for you!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on March 29, 2008, 05:27:37 PM
The ASW was great!  Definitely confirmed the decision to come to UPenn next year (not that I was reconsidering).  Thanks to all the current students that answered questions... even the ones that weren't technically involved in events.  I do have a quick apartment question for current students... does anyone know about the apartment building at 19th and JFK?  I found a studio there that seems to be a pretty good deal and just wanted to get confirmation before I planned a trip to check it out. Its 400sq feet with a balcony and includes all utilities (except internet) for $800/month.  Also, I've seen in several places that Penn will subsidize public transportation fees... what exactly does that mean?  How much of a discount would that be?  Thank you!!!! 

Here's a link to the transit info:

http://www.business-services.upenn.edu/transportation/partnership/

If the building you're talking about is the Sterling Apartments building, some friends of mine checked it out this week and it seems pretty sketchy.  There are a lot of bad reviews of it on apartmentratings.com, too:

http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/PA-Philadelphia-Sterling-Apartment-Homes-AIMCO.html
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on March 30, 2008, 07:22:12 AM
400sq ft?  are you planning on using a crowbar to get yourself into your apt? :P  I'd say thats a bit pricey for such a small space- but then again it is in center city.  I know someone who lives out in west philly for $600 a month (including utilities) and has 700sq ft of a house to herself.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 30, 2008, 10:09:23 AM
The ASW really was amazing!!!  I was so glad to meet some of you (finally!), and to see others of you again.  Definitely bought an obscene amount of PennLaw swag, and actually being on the business end of Prof. Morse's socratic questioning was a bit frightening (last time I raise my hand to answer what I assume will be ONE question!!).

Looking forward to seeing everyone in the fall!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: gillesthegreat on March 31, 2008, 11:43:54 AM
Quote
  Definitely bought an obscene amount of PennLaw swag

Congratulations on your decision to attend this fine institution. But for the record, SWAG stands for Stuff We All Get. If you buy it, it ain't SWAG.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on March 31, 2008, 11:53:31 AM
Quote
  Definitely bought an obscene amount of PennLaw swag

Congratulations on your decision to attend this fine institution. But for the record, SWAG stands for Stuff We All Get. If you buy it, it ain't SWAG.

Well, poo!  I've been misusing this for a while then.  Definitely been using it to mean stuff procured, as in pirate booty (no, I didn't get any pirate booty!).

Then:  I bought an obscene amount of PennLaw gear!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: reggaejessie on April 01, 2008, 02:35:55 PM
Hello, everyone!  I'm new to LSD, and I have a couple of questions about U Penn.  I couldn't make it to the ASW (sorry to have missed out on meeting everybody), but I'm going for a visit in a couple of weeks, just to make sure Penn is a good fit for me.  I'll have a few days in Philadelphia; what should I do besides visit campus?  Did anyone find it useful to look for housing so far in advance?  Also, I would really appreciate any suggestions on hotels.  Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Terrible Ivan on April 01, 2008, 04:53:22 PM
For the extra-cost conscious who likes communal traveling, try the hostel in Fairmont Park (www.philahostel.org). It is not convenient unless you have a car, but you can't beat the price (I think it was $20 a night or something obscenely cheap).
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Eggshell Shin Vosburg on April 02, 2008, 10:17:47 PM
Hello, everyone!  I'm new to LSD, and I have a couple of questions about U Penn.  I couldn't make it to the ASW (sorry to have missed out on meeting everybody), but I'm going for a visit in a couple of weeks, just to make sure Penn is a good fit for me.  I'll have a few days in Philadelphia; what should I do besides visit campus?  Did anyone find it useful to look for housing so far in advance?  Also, I would really appreciate any suggestions on hotels.  Thanks in advance!

Your first question: It depends. If you like art, go to Barnes Museum (or the Philly art museum). I've heard the zoo here is good also. Rittenhouse square is cool. Team Pam may know this one, but I don't: I think there's a farmer's market that's pretty cool to walk around. If you like sports, go to a Phillies game. If you want to be scared for your life, head about 20 blocks west of campus.

 There's a ton to do here.

If you gave a better idea of your interests, we could tell you what to look for.



The ASW really was amazing!!!  I was so glad to meet some of you (finally!), and to see others of you again.  Definitely bought an obscene amount of PennLaw swag, and actually being on the business end of Prof. Morse's socratic questioning was a bit frightening (last time I raise my hand to answer what I assume will be ONE question!!).

Looking forward to seeing everyone in the fall!

Thanks for learning this lesson. Other prospective gunners should pay attention to your post.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 03, 2008, 07:36:58 AM
The ASW really was amazing!!!  I was so glad to meet some of you (finally!), and to see others of you again.  Definitely bought an obscene amount of PennLaw swag, and actually being on the business end of Prof. Morse's socratic questioning was a bit frightening (last time I raise my hand to answer what I assume will be ONE question!!).

Looking forward to seeing everyone in the fall!

Thanks for learning this lesson. Other prospective gunners should pay attention to your post.

See, it wasn't even prospective-gunner behavior.  He asked someone, who then didn't know, and then he was all like "ANYONE know?", and - being used to the hand raising NOT implying gunner mentality in my current grad program, I did and answered with a two word answer.  That was it.  I was on the hot seat for the remaining forty minutes or so.  And I was terrified.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Iron Shin Jones on April 03, 2008, 08:48:52 AM

If you want to be scared for your life, head about 20 blocks west of campus.


While West Philly is filled with modern-day rogues and Putneys, anyone with a reasonably strong shin has nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on April 03, 2008, 09:01:45 AM
I actually liked West Philly - it had a very urban feel to it and reminded me a lot of DC. I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to seem. I looked at the new condos at 49th and Cedar. I almost didn't go because a lot of people (not necessarily on here) made it seem like 43-45th was as far west as one should ever go. I'm glad I did. They were awesome and I didn't think the neighborhood was "scary" like I expected. While 49th is too far from the law school it really was not what I expected it to be - I thought it was cute, urban, and had some character & diversity. And street parking seemed really easy/convenient - beats $200/month for a garage in my book.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 03, 2008, 09:12:56 AM
I actually liked West Philly - it had a very urban feel to it and reminded me a lot of DC. I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to seem. I looked at the new condos at 49th and Cedar. I almost didn't go because a lot of people (not necessarily on here) made it seem like 43-45th was as far west as one should ever go. I'm glad I did. They were awesome and I didn't think the neighborhood was "scary" like I expected. While 49th is too far from the law school it really was not what I expected it to be - I thought it was cute, urban, and had some character & diversity. And street parking seemed really easy/convenient - beats $200/month for a garage in my book.

Heeeeeeyyyyyyyyy... I'm just paranoid!  And wanted to scare you into living in Center City!!  ;D   ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on April 03, 2008, 09:28:55 AM
Hello, everyone!  I'm new to LSD, and I have a couple of questions about U Penn.  I couldn't make it to the ASW (sorry to have missed out on meeting everybody), but I'm going for a visit in a couple of weeks, just to make sure Penn is a good fit for me.  I'll have a few days in Philadelphia; what should I do besides visit campus?  Did anyone find it useful to look for housing so far in advance?  Also, I would really appreciate any suggestions on hotels.  Thanks in advance!

Your first question: It depends. If you like art, go to Barnes Museum (or the Philly art museum). I've heard the zoo here is good also. Rittenhouse square is cool. Team Pam may know this one, but I don't: I think there's a farmer's market that's pretty cool to walk around. If you like sports, go to a Phillies game. If you want to be scared for your life, head about 20 blocks west of campus.

 There's a ton to do here.

If you gave a better idea of your interests, we could tell you what to look for.

I think Eggshell means Reading Terminal Market, which is a pretty cool place to grab lunch or shop for cheese and random PA Dutch products.  I'd recommend going Wednesday-Friday when all the Amish vendors are there.  From the Market, you can either head north and go to Chinatown or south to fun shopping in the gayborhood. 

I second the recommendation for a Phillies game -- the stadium is really nice, and Philadelphia sports fans are really intense, so it's a fun place to be.  Unless you're rooting for the visiting team, that is.

Another cool thing if you've got the stomach for it (I don't) is the Mutter Museum, which is filled with medical oddities and grossness.

Old City is a fun neighborhood to walk through during the day, and to bar-crawl at night.

I thought the Betsy Ross House was kind of fun, and there's also Franklin Court, the Mint, Elfreth's Alley, and the National Constitution Center if you're into historical stuff.

Or you could sit in on classes for a full day and see if being a 1L is really as fun as it sounds now.  ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 03, 2008, 09:32:54 AM
[quote author=Team Pam link=topic=98539.msg2672172#msg2672172 date=1207240135

Or you could sit in on classes for a full day and see if being a 1L is really as fun as it sounds now.  ;)
[/quote]

I would so do this.  I am doing my Master's comprehensive exams tomorrow, and then it's all thesis research, so NO classes anymore.  And I'm kinda stoked about Penn...just a bit  ;)  It would be cool to see what a FULL day in the life is like (plus, I live in Wash West, so not too far).
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on April 03, 2008, 10:09:54 AM
The ASW really was amazing!!!  I was so glad to meet some of you (finally!), and to see others of you again.  Definitely bought an obscene amount of PennLaw swag, and actually being on the business end of Prof. Morse's socratic questioning was a bit frightening (last time I raise my hand to answer what I assume will be ONE question!!).

Looking forward to seeing everyone in the fall!

Thanks for learning this lesson. Other prospective gunners should pay attention to your post.

See, it wasn't even prospective-gunner behavior.  He asked someone, who then didn't know, and then he was all like "ANYONE know?", and - being used to the hand raising NOT implying gunner mentality in my current grad program, I did and answered with a two word answer.  That was it.  I was on the hot seat for the remaining forty minutes or so.  And I was terrified.

I thought that you did very well...you didn't appear to be overcome by terror...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on April 03, 2008, 10:20:32 AM
I actually liked West Philly - it had a very urban feel to it and reminded me a lot of DC. I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to seem. I looked at the new condos at 49th and Cedar. I almost didn't go because a lot of people (not necessarily on here) made it seem like 43-45th was as far west as one should ever go. I'm glad I did. They were awesome and I didn't think the neighborhood was "scary" like I expected. While 49th is too far from the law school it really was not what I expected it to be - I thought it was cute, urban, and had some character & diversity. And street parking seemed really easy/convenient - beats $200/month for a garage in my book.

Street parking is easy and convenient right up until your window is smashed in and your car is stolen.  ;)  I'm mostly kidding, though my friend did have her car broken into right in front of the dorms.

Also, Mahler, raising your hand when the professor asks a question doesn't make you a gunner -- nothing is more painful than when nobody wants to respond and class hits an awkward standstill.  Especially because when that happens, the profs start cold-calling instead.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 03, 2008, 12:57:52 PM
The ASW really was amazing!!!  I was so glad to meet some of you (finally!), and to see others of you again.  Definitely bought an obscene amount of PennLaw swag, and actually being on the business end of Prof. Morse's socratic questioning was a bit frightening (last time I raise my hand to answer what I assume will be ONE question!!).

Looking forward to seeing everyone in the fall!

Thanks for learning this lesson. Other prospective gunners should pay attention to your post.

See, it wasn't even prospective-gunner behavior.  He asked someone, who then didn't know, and then he was all like "ANYONE know?", and - being used to the hand raising NOT implying gunner mentality in my current grad program, I did and answered with a two word answer.  That was it.  I was on the hot seat for the remaining forty minutes or so.  And I was terrified.

I thought that you did very well...you didn't appear to be overcome by terror...


Thanks!  It wasn;t that "frozen in time" terror, but the "God, I'm actually going here next year and do NOT want to humiliate myself in front of everyone!!!!" terror.

And Team Pam, I'm glad to know that isn't being a gunner.  What is then?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on April 03, 2008, 04:07:46 PM
Just wait for the first 3 weeks of class.  You'll find out, VERY quickly, what a gunner is
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Bigtajh on April 03, 2008, 04:18:20 PM
Just wait for the first 3 weeks of class.  You'll find out, VERY quickly, what a gunner is


Can we throw things at these people? ;D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 03, 2008, 07:51:50 PM
Just wait for the first 3 weeks of class.  You'll find out, VERY quickly, what a gunner is

It seems like none of the current students I've met so far are gunners.  That could be because they really aren't or because I'll be a gunner and can't recognize it...  I hope it's the first one...

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: antaresvi on April 03, 2008, 10:18:20 PM
Just wait for the first 3 weeks of class.  You'll find out, VERY quickly, what a gunner is

It seems like none of the current students I've met so far are gunners.  That could be because they really aren't or because I'll be a gunner and can't recognize it...  I hope it's the first one...



FWIW, I didn't think you were terribly gunnerish in Morse's class. For all I know, you saved me from being cold called-upon!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 03, 2008, 10:22:38 PM
FWIW, I didn't think you were terribly gunnerish in Morse's class. For all I know, you saved me from being cold called-upon!

Thank you.  I didn't feel like I was, but I never can tell WHAT people think is being gunnerish.  It was cool though how, when I wanted to ASK a question, he was like "Well, I'll let you ask one since you've been having to answer them the whole time."  I just hope I didn't sound dumb...or tyrranical (with my wanting her to stay in prison).
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on April 03, 2008, 11:35:56 PM
FWIW, I didn't think you were terribly gunnerish in Morse's class. For all I know, you saved me from being cold called-upon!
Thank you.  I didn't feel like I was, but I never can tell WHAT people think is being gunnerish.  It was cool though how, when I wanted to ASK a question, he was like "Well, I'll let you ask one since you've been having to answer them the whole time."  I just hope I didn't sound dumb...or tyrranical (with my wanting her to stay in prison).

ATL has two posts with comments chock full of gunner behavior:
http://www.abovethelaw.com/2008/01/law_school_gunners_open_thread.php
http://www.abovethelaw.com/2008/01/law_school_gunners_open_thread_2.php

This is an excellent example of gunner behavior from the comments:  "The chairs in our classrooms swiveled through a roughly 120 degree arc. Said gunner sat front-row center in every first-year class, and when called upon (he raised his hand for everything, with his index finger extended, of course), he'd swivel his seat as far as he could and give his five-minute answer TO THE CLASS, as if he were a mini-me professor."

----------------------------------------------------

You can also consider UVA's fantasy gunner league scoring system as a guide for what NOT to do (the higher the point value, the less you should be doing it!).  Here's a sample of the scoring:
Points:
- Raising hand (1)
- Raising hand obnoxiously to get professor’s attention (waving back and forth, etc) (3)
- Speaking without being called on (3)
- Arguing with the Professor (10)
- Disparaging another student in an answer (ie. “For those of us who bothered to do the reading...”) (15)
- Using unassigned material in an answer (5)
- Asking a question not related to the topic (3)

---------------------------------------------------------

But my favorite of those ATL comments is the "You Might be a Gunner..." one:

If you've ever introduced a hypothetical with the phrase, "I'm thinking of an exceedingly complex situation," . . . you might be a gunner.

If you've ever googled something during class just to subsequently raise your hand and talk about it as if you've always known about it because you are really smart . . . you might be a gunner.

If you have ever been the only person in the room with your hand up and the professor sees you but still asks if anyone would like to take a stab at answering his question . . . you might be a gunner.

If you hear a low groan everytime a professor calls on you . . . you might be a gunner.

If you are 35, had a previous career, and relate every single class discussion to when you were a real estate agent, or sold life insurance . . . you might be a gunner at a TTT.

If you ever posed a hypothetical in class that changed all but the operative facts . . . you are an idiot and you also might be a gunner.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on April 04, 2008, 09:51:55 AM

If you want to be scared for your life, head about 20 blocks west of campus.


While West Philly is filled with modern-day rogues and Putneys, anyone with a reasonably strong shin has nothing to worry about.

LOL.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: RokoMotion on April 04, 2008, 11:22:55 AM
I agreed with you.  I thought she should stay in jail :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on April 04, 2008, 12:59:59 PM

If you want to be scared for your life, head about 20 blocks west of campus.


While West Philly is filled with modern-day rogues and Putneys, anyone with a reasonably strong shin has nothing to worry about.

LOL.

You will laugh a lot harder at that joke after your first week of Torts :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on April 04, 2008, 01:22:21 PM

If you want to be scared for your life, head about 20 blocks west of campus.


While West Philly is filled with modern-day rogues and Putneys, anyone with a reasonably strong shin has nothing to worry about.

LOL.

You will laugh a lot harder at that joke after your first week of Torts :)

i remember professor morse discussing the eggshell head guy, so i think i get it.  am i missing something else?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on April 05, 2008, 12:20:25 PM

If you want to be scared for your life, head about 20 blocks west of campus.


While West Philly is filled with modern-day rogues and Putneys, anyone with a reasonably strong shin has nothing to worry about.

LOL.

You will laugh a lot harder at that joke after your first week of Torts :)

i remember professor morse discussing the eggshell head guy, so i think i get it.  am i missing something else?

yeah, there is a case called Vosburg v. Putney that you read in your first week of torts.  Vosburg had extremely weak shins (our torts professor referenced him as eggshell shin vosburg for the entire semester) and was tapped on the shin by a classmate, which, after a series of unfortunate events, permanently disabled said leg.  The professor also created a character called iron shin jones, to prove a point about the reasonable person standard in torts.  Thus, the joke about shins and west philly being filled with Putneys.  The only other thing it means is that both of those posters are people from Section 2 at Penn law. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Eggshell Shin Vosburg on April 06, 2008, 11:41:11 AM

If you want to be scared for your life, head about 20 blocks west of campus.


While West Philly is filled with modern-day rogues and Putneys, anyone with a reasonably strong shin has nothing to worry about.

LOL.

You will laugh a lot harder at that joke after your first week of Torts :)

i remember professor morse discussing the eggshell head guy, so i think i get it.  am i missing something else?

yeah, there is a case called Vosburg v. Putney that you read in your first week of torts.  Vosburg had extremely weak shins (our torts professor referenced him as eggshell shin vosburg for the entire semester) and was tapped on the shin by a classmate, which, after a series of unfortunate events, permanently disabled said leg.  The professor also created a character called iron shin jones, to prove a point about the reasonable person standard in torts.  Thus, the joke about shins and west philly being filled with Putneys.  The only other thing it means is that both of those posters are people from Section 2 at Penn law. 

I also have a fragile ego. Please be gentle.

What's section 2?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Iron Shin Jones on April 06, 2008, 11:57:56 AM

If you want to be scared for your life, head about 20 blocks west of campus.


While West Philly is filled with modern-day rogues and Putneys, anyone with a reasonably strong shin has nothing to worry about.

LOL.

You will laugh a lot harder at that joke after your first week of Torts :)

i remember professor morse discussing the eggshell head guy, so i think i get it.  am i missing something else?

yeah, there is a case called Vosburg v. Putney that you read in your first week of torts.  Vosburg had extremely weak shins (our torts professor referenced him as eggshell shin vosburg for the entire semester) and was tapped on the shin by a classmate, which, after a series of unfortunate events, permanently disabled said leg.  The professor also created a character called iron shin jones, to prove a point about the reasonable person standard in torts.  Thus, the joke about shins and west philly being filled with Putneys.  The only other thing it means is that both of those posters are people from Section 2 at Penn law. 

I also have a fragile ego. Please be gentle.

What's section 2?

Alas, my one-legged friend, it appears that your memory has become quite fragile as well! m1 is, of course, referring to the group of people we attend class with every day here at Princeton Law School.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Frank on April 07, 2008, 08:04:51 AM
Hey all - just thought I would introduce myself since I'm likely going to Penn this fall! Unfortunately I wasn't able to make it to ASW, but I'm most likely going to be at the open house this weekend. Anyone else on the forum going to be there?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on April 07, 2008, 08:08:30 AM
Hey all - just thought I would introduce myself since I'm likely going to Penn this fall! Unfortunately I wasn't able to make it to ASW, but I'm most likely going to be at the open house this weekend. Anyone else on the forum going to be there?

Welcome!  Be sure to join the facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6483003748
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Frank on April 07, 2008, 08:30:24 AM
Oh I'm on there - should be pretty easy to find me.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on May 24, 2008, 08:53:55 AM
Is the graduate hospital area a popular place to live? How far is it from the law school? Is it safe? What about Naval Square and S. Philly?

Is the graduate hospital area a popular place to live?

No; very few students live south of South.  If you include streets north of South, like Pine, then yes (but I'd say that's still arguably "Rittenhouse Square").

How far is it from the law school?

It's not terrible--maybe 40 min by foot--but the bus you'd take runs down Walnut... which is one reason why I think students stay further North.  Previously you could take a bus over the South St bridge, but they're closing the bridge to fix it up, and who knows how long that will take?

Is it safe?

I have have friends who have lived there without getting mugged, but it's not what you would call a welcoming environment.

What about Naval Square and S. Philly?

No.  No.

Like anything else, you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Outlaw22 on May 28, 2008, 10:39:29 AM
Wow, thanks! Any background on Riverloft, Riverwest, or 4300 Spruce? Do many people live at Domus?

I looked at Riverloft, Domus, and 4300 Spruce (if you're talking about the condos).

Riverloft was great and if you looked through the Wharton Housing info it got the best reviews. The studios have an office/closet that you can actually put a double bed in so it's more like a 1br and not a studio. Hardwood floors/ new appliances - really nice quality. The location is also great. That being said, it's very expensive. The cheapest studio I could find available was $1400+. I don't know how many law students live there, if any, but there are a lot of Wharton students. All things considered it was probably my favorite place, but too expensive for me. However, if you can pay that much, the reviews I read from Wharton students who live there said Riverloft was well worth the extra $$.

Domus is also extremely nice and I know there are law students who live there. You can literally throw a rock at the law school from Domus - whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is for you to decide. Some people love the convenience of being so close to school and others seem to prefer a little more distance and living in Center City. I think for 1L it would be better because of early classes and other 1Ls will be living in University City. But after that Center City seems like the place to be.

I have a lot to say about the condos at 4300 Spruce, so if you want to hear about my experience you can PM me.

I would also check out Left Bank, 2400 Chestnut and Locust on the Park as well.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on June 05, 2008, 01:41:39 PM
random questions for current students:

do you guys get a printing allowance for printing on campus or do you have to pay per page?

whats the best/cheapest internet and cable provider in the university city area?

thanks!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Terrible Ivan on June 05, 2008, 04:32:40 PM

Printing allowance per semester: first 2500 pages are free; 8 cents per page thereafter. Scanning to e-mail (as PDF) is free.

I didn't use even half my allotment each semester.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on June 07, 2008, 01:35:05 PM
I'm pretty sure Comcast has a monopoly on cable/internet around here, which sucks, as they're pretty expensive. 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: dpwc on June 13, 2008, 02:46:33 PM
Was accepted yesterday and just checking in.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on June 13, 2008, 03:56:51 PM
Congrats!  Join the crowd...and come to penn :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: rolls on June 16, 2008, 09:23:31 AM
I got in about ten days ago and wanted to say hello to everyone, and I'm looking forward to the fall!
Is anyone going to be in Philly early/mid July?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: TimMitchell on June 17, 2008, 07:39:59 AM
Not at Penn yet, will be applying this upcoming cycle. Just wanted to tag this topic and ask this question.

When you tell people you are going (or want) to go to Penn, how many think Penn State? How many know the difference? I live in Wilmington, DE which is practically a suburb of Philly and most of my friends are clueless that an Ivy is in our backyard. If I get in should I just grab a Nittany Lion hoodie and be done with it?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on June 17, 2008, 11:48:09 AM
Not at Penn yet, will be applying this upcoming cycle. Just wanted to tag this topic and ask this question.

When you tell people you are going (or want) to go to Penn, how many think Penn State? How many know the difference? I live in Wilmington, DE which is practically a suburb of Philly and most of my friends are clueless that an Ivy is in our backyard. If I get in should I just grab a Nittany Lion hoodie and be done with it?

I've honestly never met anyone who didn't know the difference, unless you count comment trolls on Above The Law.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: JMFM2011 on June 17, 2008, 06:07:11 PM
Not at Penn yet, will be applying this upcoming cycle. Just wanted to tag this topic and ask this question.

When you tell people you are going (or want) to go to Penn, how many think Penn State? How many know the difference? I live in Wilmington, DE which is practically a suburb of Philly and most of my friends are clueless that an Ivy is in our backyard. If I get in should I just grab a Nittany Lion hoodie and be done with it?

I don't know the answer to this, but I was under the impression that nobody LIVES in Wilmington, Delaware.  Once, I left work after 6:30, and I swear I saw a tumbleweed pass in front of my car.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: TimMitchell on June 17, 2008, 06:33:36 PM
Not at Penn yet, will be applying this upcoming cycle. Just wanted to tag this topic and ask this question.

When you tell people you are going (or want) to go to Penn, how many think Penn State? How many know the difference? I live in Wilmington, DE which is practically a suburb of Philly and most of my friends are clueless that an Ivy is in our backyard. If I get in should I just grab a Nittany Lion hoodie and be done with it?

I don't know the answer to this, but I was under the impression that nobody LIVES in Wilmington, Delaware.  Once, I left work after 6:30, and I swear I saw a tumbleweed pass in front of my car.

I don't know what you're implying about the bustling metropolis I call home  ;D.

The city has a bunch of neighborhood areas, but I'm out in the 'burbs
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: scaredandafraid on June 25, 2008, 10:29:49 PM
Hi everybody,

I've been in at Penn for awhile but have just been lurking on this thread until now. I'm excited to join you next year! I was vacillating between Penn and another school until this week, and I was wondering -- why did you guys pick Penn? What are you most worried about/not looking forward to?

My answers: I chose Penn because the people seem cool, and I like the fact that the law school is quite small but connected to the rest of the university. I also like the Wharton certificate option. I'm not looking forward to Philly, though...
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on June 26, 2008, 06:49:49 AM
i ended up not choosing Penn, but this thread still shows up in my unreads, and i just had to chime in...

Philly is AWESOME.  Amazing food/drinks for cheeeap, great cost of living, the city has tons of personality, it's beautiful and historic, and crime is not that bad.  Get over it - you're going to love Philly!

::retreats back to the CLS thread::
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on June 26, 2008, 06:50:41 AM
Hi everybody,

I've been in at Penn for awhile but have just been lurking on this thread until now. I'm excited to join you next year! I was vacillating between Penn and another school until this week, and I was wondering -- why did you guys pick Penn? What are you most worried about/not looking forward to?

My answers: I chose Penn because the people seem cool, and I like the fact that the law school is quite small but connected to the rest of the university. I also like the Wharton certificate option. I'm not looking forward to Philly, though...

What bothers you about Philly?  Maybe those of us already here can help you feel better about it.  I was in LA for five years before moving here, so it was a huge culture shock for me.  I hated it at first, but it's definitely started to grow on me.  I still don't think I'll stay here past law school, but I'm no longer upset about having to spend two more years here at all.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: scaredandafraid on June 26, 2008, 07:17:17 AM
Maybe I will end up loving Philly, but right now my ambivalence is about the fact that every picture of the city I see that's not either Penn-related or major-historical-sight related seems kind of run down and depressed (in an economical sense, but also I think that can lead to a certain depressing kind of aura). I asked my friend living there to go around town and take a bunch of pictures of various places: the grass in the parks seems to be brown rather than lush, the buildings seem to be needing a lot of touch-ups, and the streets seem kind of empty.

I'm used to living in a very crowded and intense city and Philly (again, just from pictures) seems to feel a bit empty, almost lonely. But everybody who's actually spent time there says that it's not that bad or even that it's great, as lovebutton did. So I'm looking forward to being wrong!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: ac34 on June 26, 2008, 11:42:29 AM
Maybe I will end up loving Philly, but right now my ambivalence is about the fact that every picture of the city I see that's not either Penn-related or major-historical-sight related seems kind of run down and depressed (in an economical sense, but also I think that can lead to a certain depressing kind of aura). I asked my friend living there to go around town and take a bunch of pictures of various places: the grass in the parks seems to be brown rather than lush, the buildings seem to be needing a lot of touch-ups, and the streets seem kind of empty.

I'm used to living in a very crowded and intense city and Philly (again, just from pictures) seems to feel a bit empty, almost lonely. But everybody who's actually spent time there says that it's not that bad or even that it's great, as lovebutton did. So I'm looking forward to being wrong!

I'm not going to Penn (well, I'm still on the waitlist), but I lurk a bit here anyway out of nostalgia...

I was an undergrad at Penn. Philadelphia really is a fantastic, vibrant city. There are some depressed areas, but anywhere that you'll have reason to go to is great. I don't know where you saw pictures of, but everywhere from University City east to the Delaware River is just as crowded and "city-like" as any other major city. And it's only getting better, with the new development in Center City. Plus, Penn itself will be undergoing massive expansions over the next decade or two (they just purchased land totaling I think 50% of the current campus size), some of the early stages of which you might benefit from. And a proposed footbridge over the Schuylkill River (which I think is supposed to happen within the next couple of years) connecting the campus directly to Center City will definitely help.

Basically, if you're coming from New York, you might find Philadelphia a bit less "intense." But from anywhere else, it's the same or better. I'd say at worst, comparable to Boston or Washington.

P.S. The title of this thread annoys me every time I see it. It's "Penn," not "UPenn!" You only say "UPenn" when speaking to someone who you predict won't be able to tell it apart from Penn State! ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on July 02, 2008, 02:02:51 PM
Has anyone here tired to waive their Penn health insurance? I tried using the steps on the yellow sheet that came with the PennPay Manget mailing and its not working.

Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: peach on July 06, 2008, 08:47:08 PM
Someone in admissions told me we won't be able to waive the insurance until the 14th or 15th of this month.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on July 20, 2008, 02:26:22 PM
Someone in admissions told me we won't be able to waive the insurance until the 14th or 15th of this month.

thanks. i tried it now. it works.

so when do we find out what classes we'll be taking? hehe im kinda excited ;D.  plus i dont want to pay a fortune on book because i have to buy them a day before class.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on July 28, 2008, 03:02:25 PM
on our pre-orientation list of events there a "Service Event" Wednesday morning... anyone know what that entails?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on July 28, 2008, 04:44:50 PM
Last year, the service day was 4 hours spent cleaning up Fairmount park.  It was an absolute blast, and if I didn't have interviews that day I would absolutely have signed up to lead it this year.  Also, for those of you who reaaaaally want to know what your schedule is, I seem to remember being able to check it on Penn in Touch- possibly on my transcript, or something.  Someone in the UPenn Class of 2010 thread described how we could figure it out, if I remember correctly.

What events are you guys signing up for?  I'll be helping out with the bowling night, the night at Dave & Busters, the Morris fellows events (quizzo, the dinner, field day, etc), and I'm on the Student Life Panel.  Looking forward to meeting all of you guys!  Let me know if you have any questions as we get closer
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: rolls on July 28, 2008, 05:11:04 PM
Here's to wishing we could fast forward! I was getting excited yesterday looking at the events. Hm, dodgeball in the courtyard?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on July 28, 2008, 05:40:06 PM
Thanks for the tip re finding section early!  I creeped the 2010 FB group, and it seems that it was in the Penn Portal.  After they logged in, the section/courses showed up in the bottom left hand corner (where it says "My Courses").  Mine doesn't have anything yet, but it looks like that was in August last year.

I'm excited about pre-orientation and orientation.  I don't see a description anywhere of what the service event will be this year, but I'll be there.  Anyone else wishing we could fast forward a few weeks here?!

Question: Who are Morris Fellows? ie. is this part of a 1L program, or an orientation thing?

Morris Fellows are 2Ls who are going to be your guides through 1L year.  The program is being revamped this year so that we serve more as mentors for the whole year, rather than as just your mentors during orientation (which is how the program has traditionally worked out).  Each Morris Fellow (or group of fellows - i think its 2 per group of students) will be having dinner with our group the first night of the informal orientation stuff, then doing quizzo with you on Thursday night, then competing with you in a field day on sunday.  We'll also be having informal coffees/get togethers during the semester to check in and see how everyone is doing, and we'll be your first source for outlines and advice.  Its going to be a great program - just hope you are one of my Morris Fellows, because clearly we're going to win the field day competition :P
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: The Dude on July 28, 2008, 06:07:16 PM
Quizzo is ridiculously entertaining! Where do you guys play it -- Blarney Stone, New Deck Tavern?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on July 28, 2008, 06:48:53 PM
quizzo is all over the city, but the closest is at new deck on...wednesdays?  thursdays?  i forget.  but there are always a few law school teams there.  a student group (the ACS i believe) puts on a really popular one twice a year at the school.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on July 28, 2008, 06:49:32 PM
Thanks for the info!  That sounds awesome.  I already have about 8,000,000 things that I would ask Penn 2Ls if I could, so I imagine we'll all appreciate having the support through the year.  I love Penn already.

ask away :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on July 29, 2008, 05:39:30 PM
1L jobs - almost everyone i know got a job this summer, but because of the economy, only a few of them have firm jobs.  If you really want a firm job you can get one, but it may be in a small market.  Having a science degree could help, because of the IP/patent uses, but it comes in handy (and makes you more in demand) more during 2L OCI.

I'm working for a federal district judge this summer.  I sent out approx. 100 resumes and cover letters to my hometown market and to the city I went to school in, and got 3 interviews.  However, I got 2 offers out of 3 interviews, and the third one I didn't wait to hear back from before accepting my current job.

Don't worry about jobs though, worry about getting good grades first semester.  I sent out my cover letters on the first day we were allowed to do so.  If you can spare the time, I'd recommend doing that.  I think it genuinely helps to be one of the first letters cross the desk in some of these judge's chambers.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on July 29, 2008, 05:48:00 PM
Re: student groups - there is a student group fair during orientation, and then a student group signup day sometime early in the first few weeks of school.  I know a lot of people who got somewhat seriously involved in student groups early on.  I held off and didn't get heavily involved in much of anything to focus on my studies.  I was a part of the Penn law Ultimate Frisbee team and I volunteered for the Admissions Office helping take students around to classes and such, but I did not partake in a serious EC time commitment.  Having the extra time helped me be prepared for class and, in part, helped me be successful in my 1L year.  TONS of people balance ECs + school and do just fine though- its based on your own ability to juggle such things
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on July 30, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
not a problem :)  glad to be of help!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on July 30, 2008, 07:20:17 PM
jmfigure - Did you submit a copy of your lease with your housing increase request?  I've never heard of anyone having a housing increase denied before, so something may be amiss.

m1 - Does your daily billiards habit count as an EC?  ;)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on July 30, 2008, 08:12:58 PM
m1 - Does your daily billiards habit count as an EC?  ;)

It finally made it on my resume as an interest of mine :P
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on July 31, 2008, 05:45:50 AM
m1 - Does your daily billiards habit count as an EC?  ;)

It finally made it on my resume as an interest of mine :P


Ha!  Really?  Because I was going to suggest that.  :D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on August 05, 2008, 08:28:11 PM
ooo i just looked... i have the same message on mine!

I'm excited! ;D
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: dpwc on August 07, 2008, 01:54:06 PM
Anyone have their schedule yet?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: mulligan14 on August 08, 2008, 07:25:25 AM
2L and 3L class schedules were released yesterday on Penn In Touch and the Course Portal.

I think last year the easiest and earliest way to find out 1L schedules was to determine your section number from Penn In Touch (maybe under the transcript or student schedule tab) or the Course Portal and then match up your section number with the fall block schedule on the Registrar's site.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 09, 2008, 06:51:08 AM
2L and 3L class schedules were released yesterday on Penn In Touch and the Course Portal.

I think last year the easiest and earliest way to find out 1L schedules was to determine your section number from Penn In Touch (maybe under the transcript or student schedule tab) or the Course Portal and then match up your section number with the fall block schedule on the Registrar's site.

I remember buying my books before our schedules even officially came out by doing it this way.  If I remember correctly, someone even put together a spreadsheet by section of what books you would need, including their ISBN numbers for buying them on amazon etc.  Very handy, that was.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on August 09, 2008, 07:59:00 AM
2L and 3L class schedules were released yesterday on Penn In Touch and the Course Portal.

I think last year the easiest and earliest way to find out 1L schedules was to determine your section number from Penn In Touch (maybe under the transcript or student schedule tab) or the Course Portal and then match up your section number with the fall block schedule on the Registrar's site.

I remember buying my books before our schedules even officially came out by doing it this way.  If I remember correctly, someone even put together a spreadsheet by section of what books you would need, including their ISBN numbers for buying them on amazon etc.  Very handy, that was.

Interesting.  I can't find anything that would indicate a section number... anyone else?

Does anything show up when you click on Transcript?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on August 09, 2008, 01:34:14 PM
2L and 3L class schedules were released yesterday on Penn In Touch and the Course Portal.

I think last year the easiest and earliest way to find out 1L schedules was to determine your section number from Penn In Touch (maybe under the transcript or student schedule tab) or the Course Portal and then match up your section number with the fall block schedule on the Registrar's site.

I remember buying my books before our schedules even officially came out by doing it this way.  If I remember correctly, someone even put together a spreadsheet by section of what books you would need, including their ISBN numbers for buying them on amazon etc.  Very handy, that was.

Interesting.  I can't find anything that would indicate a section number... anyone else?

Nope. i could'nt find anything either.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on August 10, 2008, 12:56:48 PM
random questions for those living in philly right now i suppose...

How late is it too late to be taking the subway back to UC by yourself at night?

any recommended cab companies?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 10, 2008, 01:33:46 PM
Odd- it told us our section number at the bottom of our transcript around this time last year.  oh well, you'll find out in only 2 short weeks at orientation :) 
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on August 10, 2008, 09:11:29 PM
random questions for those living in philly right now i suppose...

How late is it too late to be taking the subway back to UC by yourself at night?

any recommended cab companies?

The latest I've ever taken the subway by myself is probably 10 on a weeknight.  Weekends I'm usually in groups and/or in cabs.  Just hail the first cab you see; the company doesn't matter -- but do NOT get in a cab if someone is riding shotgun!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on August 11, 2008, 08:25:20 PM
random questions for those living in philly right now i suppose...

How late is it too late to be taking the subway back to UC by yourself at night?

any recommended cab companies?

The latest I've ever taken the subway by myself is probably 10 on a weeknight.  Weekends I'm usually in groups and/or in cabs.  Just hail the first cab you see; the company doesn't matter -- but do NOT get in a cab if someone is riding shotgun!

someone told me about these all-girls gangs robbing ppl on the subway so that freaked me out a little hehe
I heard about ppl getting mugged when there was someone riding shotgun in a black cab too.. crazziness!

Odd- it told us our section number at the bottom of our transcript around this time last year.  oh well, you'll find out in only 2 short 2 excruciatingly long weeks at orientation :) 

fixt.

So excited!  I do hope we can sneakily get our sections before then, though... I'm running out of things to obsess about, so books etc would be nice! haha

hehe i'll second that!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 12, 2008, 04:23:09 PM
but other than that, philly is totally safe, lol
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on August 20, 2008, 07:44:07 PM
so now that we know what sections we're in ;D... we can worry about getting books... all $800 worth of books... :-\

current Penn students help us out!
is it really necessary to buy $100 casebooks or can you get by simply going to the library and reading/copying cases?
is it useful to wait till the booksale during orientation?
what classes is it absolutely necessary to get the latest editions?
any recommended Supplements for each course?

THANKS!!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 21, 2008, 04:45:25 AM
1)  You aren't going to be happy with my answer, but buy everything new (or if you are lucky enough to find one, a used copy that doesn't have any highlighting in it).  You cannot, cannot, cannot get by with going to the library and copying cases.  Not only would you end up paying to copy 90% of the book, but it would also waste the precious free time you have 1L year.  Every night you will have 20-40 pages of reading per class, which works out to about 3-6 cases per night that you need to master for the next day's class.  Until you know what you are doing (read: November), you will probably want to color-code highlight the important details of each case for when you get called on.  Most people, myself included, will use the system from Law School Confidential, which involves highlighting the holding in pink, the important parts of the dissent in orange, the facts in green, cited precedent/cases in blue, and the legal reasoning in yellow.  I found it worked very well for me and helped prevent me from freaking out when cold-called.

2)  The book sale is basically only for supplements (every once in awhile you'll get a text, but rarely in good condition).  I would go to the bookstore ASAP and buy your books.  The undergrads start to come back to campus on Sunday, and when they come back the bookstore becomes an absolute zoo.  Beat the rush if you can.

3)  You need the latest edition in every class.  Occasionally you can find an older edition that will work just as well with the exception of a few new cases, but you don't want to find out that half of the cases have moved around and spend extra time trying to key your book to the syllabus.

4)  I swear by the Examples and Explanations series for all my classes.  I don't learn very well from the Emmanuel/Gilbert type of supplement, but everyone is different.  A universal truth, however, is that Glannon's Examples and Explanations book for Civ Pro is the best survival tool for that class, period.  It is a must-buy.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on August 21, 2008, 08:28:09 AM
People love Burbank -- he's one of the most respected and beloved teachers at Penn.  Finkelstein has a reputation for being mean, but she was on sabbatical last year so none of us 2Ls know anything firsthand.

Seconding what m1 said about textbooks.  Especially for classes like Civ Pro, where the rules were updated last year, you absolutely need the latest edition of the book.  And every Civ Pro professor either requires or recommends Glannon's Examples and Explanations supplement -- and there's a new edition this year, which you should make sure to get instead of buying an old one at the EJF sale.

Personally, I don't like E&E for everything -- for IP, I much preferred the Emanuel outline.  Torts you might also want a more straightforward outline, or even flashcards.  m1 and I both had a very non-traditional crim professor, so we couldn't use a supplement, but everyone else seemed to use the Dressler one.  And for con law next semester, the Chemerinsky book is unparalleled and the best $50 you will ever spend during 1L.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on August 21, 2008, 10:12:12 AM
thanks m1 and team pam!

yea i knew i was going to hafta to buy new book cuz i didnt want to deal with other peoples highlights just hoped there was some other way to save a little money

anything on professors
Morse
Struve
Baker
Johnston?
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Ding me I dare ya! on August 21, 2008, 10:15:20 AM
one more question... is it necessary/useful to have a hardcopy of the blue book for legal writing or we going to have access to an online version through the school?

grazie!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on August 21, 2008, 10:45:42 AM
You can check Amazon for textbooks -- they sometimes have cheaper prices.  Or if you have a Barnes & Noble membership, any books they carry will be 20% off on their website (but not in the campus store).

The online version of the bluebook wasn't out when we started last year, so I don't know if you'll get access through the school, but either way you should probably invest in a hard copy.  You don't want to be stuck if the online one goes down when you're in the middle of a legal writing assignment the night before it's due.  :)

As for those professors, the only one I'm familiar with is Struve -- she's supposed to be completely awesome, brilliant and very nice.  Section 1 had Morse last year, but I don't remember what people thought of him.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on August 22, 2008, 01:06:41 PM
thanks m1 and team pam!

yea i knew i was going to hafta to buy new book cuz i didnt want to deal with other peoples highlights just hoped there was some other way to save a little money

anything on professors
Morse
Struve
Baker
Johnston?

Morse --> YOU WIN!!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: another_prelaw on August 22, 2008, 05:20:11 PM
One day of legal writing will be a lecture from your 3L legal writing instructor, and the other day will be library sessions. 

I had Morse - he inspired some mixed opinions because he thinks very highly of himself and has a strong, distinct point of view.  I think he's pretty uniformly regarded as a very capable teacher independent of that, however.  Some of you may have had his mock class during ASW.  His final is entirely multiple choice, and is top secret because he reuses most (if not all) of the questions every year - he regards them as flawless but I recall there being typos and some ambiguities.  There is a small set of sample questions that left me more scared than anything else, but it turned out fine.  He loves to talk about how the textbook he uses is the toughest out there - take his suggestion and get the Dressler book, it's like a condensed version of the text that was very helpful.

He has a psych background and does a lot with mental health law, and so a lot of his lectures are informed by that.  He will tell you that the mens rea lecture is the most important of the year, and that's pretty true - know the four levels and it will help you out.  Also pay attention to his glass/diamonds mistake of law/mistake of fact example - a lot of people had trouble with it and spent a lot of time later trying to figure it out, so it will probably save you time and aggravation to learn it up front.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: another_prelaw on August 22, 2008, 05:24:37 PM
Also, if you end up with Madison, that would be good.  She was like a class mom.  Very nice, friendly, a fair teacher all around.  Her lectures can tend to be a bit dull, however.  Also good about Madison is that she has a rotation system for calling on people - any given day a third of your section (alphabetically) will be on call, and the days rotate too (so a certain group doesn't have, say, Fridays off all semester).  The last few weeks everyone will be on call though.  We often didn't cover all the cases in the reading - maybe i'm not supposed to suggest things like this (and keep in mind I didn't have Contracts til spring), but if you're not on call maybe wait to do all the reading until you see how far you get in class.  Adjust as necessary to meet your study style.  I also found her assignments to be uneven in length some weeks so you can adjust for that too.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 22, 2008, 07:14:24 PM
I should probably throw in the same Q for the unrepresented section here!  We've got:

Wolff for Civ Pro
Perry for Torts
Somin (visiting) for Property
Madison or Katz (our half-section class) for Contracts
Robinson for Crim
Goodman for Con Law

Ooh, another scheduling question!  Our schedules list both the large legal writing lecture and our small group LRW classes, each having 1h15min blocks twice a week.  I thought I read something about some variance in the format each week... am I imagining this (ie. we should expect to have each lecture 2x/week), or does it indeed vary weekly?

Man, you lucked out with that schedule.  Awesome profs all around.  Wolff is great.  People either love or hate perry- he's a philosophy guy, so his torts class can stray a bit, from what i've heard, into philosophical areas.  Somin is famous from the Volokh conspiracy blog.  Madison, as was said above, is amazing.  Goodman is hard, but one of those profs everyone should take once.  Robinson elicits VERY strong feelings of either love or hate - but if he's the worst you have, then you've done extremely well for yourself professor-wise :)
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Terrible Ivan on August 22, 2008, 07:15:53 PM
Some more notes:

You will hear him say several times over the semester that you ought to focus on learning the theory behind criminal law and NOT to memorize the black letter rules for the common law and the Model Penal Code. Do not believe him. When finals come, be sure you can map out every major crim topic from class (mens rea, murder, rape, intoxication, etc.) and how they differ between cl/mpc. Of course, know the theories, but really know the black letter law. It will help you manage the multiple choice final.

Madison for K: class mom is a good moniker for her. Class is often a bit slower (she often goes slowly), but resist the urge to gchat.

Burbank: great guy who really knows his stuff. Make sure you prep for class.

Be sure to ask your Morris Fellows and their friends for greater insight.

Ivan
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 22, 2008, 07:17:09 PM
anything on professors
Morse
Struve
Baker
Johnston?

Morse - great crim professor, scares you to death re: his exam, but its apparently not too bad.
Struve - universally loved
Baker - a bit crazy/eclectic, but some people love him for his complete acceptance of other people's viewpoints
Johnston - its sad, but the only thing I know about him is that a lot of women have crushes on him (he's apparently pretty good looking).  other than that, I know nothing
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 22, 2008, 07:21:16 PM
Burbank - none of you will really get this right now, but remember this once you are about halfway through his course: he wrote 28 USC 1367, the supplemental jurisdiction federal procedure rule.  unbelievably, insanely smart (although 1367 doesn't necessarily reflect it; see: Amy Wax's opinion on supplemental jurisdiction).  Everyone knows civ pro is the hardest class you'll take first semester, but Burbank is a great teacher.  Be very, very prepared for that class though.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on August 23, 2008, 09:53:43 AM
Robinson elicits VERY strong feelings of either love or hate - but if he's the worst you have, then you've done extremely well for yourself professor-wise :)

I beg to differ -- I don't know anybody that loved him (unless m1 did and kept that close to the chest ;)), but I know plenty of people who were just plain bored to tears by him.  Especially because you can't have your computer in class.  On any given day, I'd say a third to a half of the class wouldn't bother to show up.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 23, 2008, 10:12:03 AM
A former resident of our building used to really like him.  I actually like his theory, so you can put me in the pro-Robinson club as well.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Team Pam on August 25, 2008, 05:28:06 AM
Is it common for profs to ban laptops in class here?

It's not unusual, and I think more and more are doing it each year.  This seems to be a nationwide trend, not just at Penn.  Last semester I had one prof that banned them outright and another who highly discouraged them.  Honestly, I found I got much more out of class when I took notes on paper -- this semester I probably won't bring my laptop to any of my classes.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 25, 2008, 10:06:14 AM
yes, but you don't get nearly the same amount of gossip via gchat that way :P
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 26, 2008, 07:40:54 PM
Is everyone enjoying orientation so far?  I met a lot of the 1Ls (probably some of you guys as well) at the bowling night and at my morris fellow dinner, and you guys seem to be a pretty good class
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: m1 on August 28, 2008, 09:20:10 PM
i'll be leading the group, meeting at the law school tomorrow night, downtown to dave and busters, and i'll be there all night with you guys.  i'm looking forward to it as a nice break from all these interviews!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Steve Jones on August 30, 2008, 02:04:55 PM
Great win over Coastal Carolina today...66-10...wow.  JoePa!
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Eggshell Shin Vosburg on September 01, 2008, 09:57:22 PM
Robinson elicits VERY strong feelings of either love or hate - but if he's the worst you have, then you've done extremely well for yourself professor-wise :)

I beg to differ -- I don't know anybody that loved him (unless m1 did and kept that close to the chest ;)), but I know plenty of people who were just plain bored to tears by him.  Especially because you can't have your computer in class.  On any given day, I'd say a third to a half of the class wouldn't bother to show up.

I loved the guy. He's super nice. Who doesn't like the awkward poses?

i'll be leading the group, meeting at the law school tomorrow night, downtown to dave and busters, and i'll be there all night with you guys.  i'm looking forward to it as a nice break from all these interviews!

This could use more comma splices.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: Iron Shin Jones on September 02, 2008, 03:22:38 PM
Robinson elicits VERY strong feelings of either love or hate - but if he's the worst you have, then you've done extremely well for yourself professor-wise :)

I beg to differ -- I don't know anybody that loved him (unless m1 did and kept that close to the chest ;)), but I know plenty of people who were just plain bored to tears by him.  Especially because you can't have your computer in class.  On any given day, I'd say a third to a half of the class wouldn't bother to show up.

I loved the guy. He's super nice. Who doesn't like the awkward poses?

i'll be leading the group, meeting at the law school tomorrow night, downtown to dave and busters, and i'll be there all night with you guys.  i'm looking forward to it as a nice break from all these interviews!

This could use more comma splices.

Gentlemen at my preparatory academy frequently attempted to pass off a series of uncapitalized words separated by commas (without the required connectors, no less) as a "sentence."  It was not a particularly noteworthy occurrence.
Title: Re: UPenn Class of 2011
Post by: MahlerGrooves on November 18, 2008, 07:17:17 AM

Gentlemen at my preparatory academy frequently attempted to pass off a series of uncapitalized words separated by commas (without the required connectors, no less) as a "sentence."  It was not a particularly noteworthy occurrence.

you mean... "Guys at my high school used to.........It was no big deal."

Hmmmm.....sounds very Frat Stud, if you catch my drift...  ;)