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Title: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 06:54:23 PM
Haven't been on here in a long time. Any questions? I'm a Penn 2L who used to post on here a lot.
Title: Re: Towelie (Penn 2L) taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: nealric on November 04, 2007, 06:56:12 PM
How did the 1L SA gig go?
(I seem to recall you saying you got one)

Did you just mass mail, or did you have some connections?
Title: Re: Towelie (Penn 2L) taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 06:57:58 PM
How did the 1L SA gig go?
(I seem to recall you saying you got one)

Did you just mass mail, or did you have some connections?

Mass mailed, but I had some opportunities via connections (I just liked the firm I picked, which I had no connection to, better). Anyways, 1L SA was awesome - I'd be a summer associate the rest of my life if I could be. I look forward to doing it again (though I am going elsewhere this summer).
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 07:07:39 PM
ever felt unsafe in that area of philly?

Yes. I live in the best area and I've felt unsafe here too, but I am a bit of a wimp. It's definitely not a safe city, but you just have to be careful (cab it at night, know areas to avoid) and you will be fine.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 07:10:53 PM
what's the best area?  where do most 1Ls? live?

Rittenhouse Square. Half of 1L's live in the graduate dorms, but that is a big mistake. Move to Center City if you go to Penn - specifically, Rittenhouse. It's a lot more fun and it's where most of the bar hopping, shopping and social events are.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: cls 2l taking question on November 04, 2007, 07:33:06 PM
have you picked a firm yet?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 07:39:33 PM
have you picked a firm yet?

Sort of. My summer is almost all set - I'm splitting between two firms in northern California (have officially accepted and worked out the timing and received approval for the split, etc.) But I may go back for a few weeks to my 1L firm (which is unsettled as of right now). As of now, I'm down to at least 2 firms for the summer and I am very excited about both of them.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: cls 2l taking question on November 04, 2007, 07:41:36 PM
have you picked a firm yet?

Sort of. My summer is all set - I'm splitting between two firms in northern California. But I may go back for a few weeks to my 1L firm (which is unsettled as of right now). As of now, I'm down to at least 2 firms for the summer and I am very excited about both of them.

was the split easy to get or did it take finnagling?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 07:45:04 PM
have you picked a firm yet?

Sort of. My summer is all set - I'm splitting between two firms in northern California. But I may go back for a few weeks to my 1L firm (which is unsettled as of right now). As of now, I'm down to at least 2 firms for the summer and I am very excited about both of them.

was the split easy to get or did it take finnagling?

A little of both. Between the firms I am with it was very easy - they honestly made me feel like a super star. One firm told me I am the only person they have ever allowed to go to for only the second half (though I don't believe them), and the other one broke a few of their own rules to allow me to split, but they seemed absolutely thrilled to do so (I am starting a week early and they are letting me split within the same city, something they never do).

But I was in love with one firm in the area who wouldn't let me split because they wouldn't let me start a week early or split in the same city, which I thought was retarded. It sucked giving them up, but the prestige difference in Vault is only 4 spots higher than the firm I got to replace them (though locally it probably is significantly higher, which sucks, but I wanted to split because I am going to a large prestigious local firm and I wanted to compare that to a smaller national satellite office of a strong firm). Oh yeah, and at the higher ranked firm I would have had to do close to 80% litigation for the entire summer despite wanting to be a corporate lawyer (100% set on this), which was equally unappealing. Sorry, some sour grapes still!   
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: summerlovin on November 04, 2007, 07:45:29 PM
How would you characterize your fellow Penn students?  Would you agree that the atmosphere is collegial?  Have you enjoyed your law school experience overall?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 07:53:58 PM
How would you characterize your fellow Penn students?  Would you agree that the atmosphere is collegial?  Have you enjoyed your law school experience overall?

Thanks!

Penn students are diverse, nice, fun, intelligent, accomplished, open-minded (but still opinionated), and caring (they seem to love pro-bono).

I love the people I go to school with, but I guess I am a Penn troll. It is collegial in the sense that notes and outlines are passed around like crazy. I was very lucky because in my 1L section there were very few gunners (and I took electives that none of the gunners took). Most people are relaxed in the classroom and we laughed a lot (at least in my section).

My law school experience has rocked. I do a lot of extra-curricular activities outside of class, and Penn allows you the opportunity to get very involved in both the school or in topics that interest you. I don't want to leave!
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: cls 2l taking question on November 04, 2007, 08:12:36 PM
have you picked a firm yet?

Sort of. My summer is all set - I'm splitting between two firms in northern California. But I may go back for a few weeks to my 1L firm (which is unsettled as of right now). As of now, I'm down to at least 2 firms for the summer and I am very excited about both of them.

was the split easy to get or did it take finnagling?

A little of both. Between the firms I am with it was very easy - they honestly made me feel like a super star. One firm told me I am the only person they have ever allowed to go to for only the second half (though I don't believe them), and the other one broke a few of their own rules to allow me to split, but they seemed absolutely thrilled to do so (I am starting a week early and they are letting me split within the same city, something they never do).

But I was in love with one firm in the area who wouldn't let me split because they wouldn't let me start a week early or split in the same city, which I thought was retarded. It sucked giving them up, but the prestige difference in Vault is only 4 spots higher than the firm I got to replace them (though locally it probably is significantly higher, which sucks, but I wanted to split because I am going to a large prestigious local firm and I wanted to compare that to a smaller national satellite office of a strong firm). Oh yeah, and at the higher ranked firm I would have had to do close to 80% litigation for the entire summer despite wanting to be a corporate lawyer (100% set on this), which was equally unappealing. Sorry, some sour grapes still!   

what drives one to want to be a corporate lawyer?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 08:14:36 PM
have you picked a firm yet?

Sort of. My summer is all set - I'm splitting between two firms in northern California. But I may go back for a few weeks to my 1L firm (which is unsettled as of right now). As of now, I'm down to at least 2 firms for the summer and I am very excited about both of them.

was the split easy to get or did it take finnagling?

A little of both. Between the firms I am with it was very easy - they honestly made me feel like a super star. One firm told me I am the only person they have ever allowed to go to for only the second half (though I don't believe them), and the other one broke a few of their own rules to allow me to split, but they seemed absolutely thrilled to do so (I am starting a week early and they are letting me split within the same city, something they never do).

But I was in love with one firm in the area who wouldn't let me split because they wouldn't let me start a week early or split in the same city, which I thought was retarded. It sucked giving them up, but the prestige difference in Vault is only 4 spots higher than the firm I got to replace them (though locally it probably is significantly higher, which sucks, but I wanted to split because I am going to a large prestigious local firm and I wanted to compare that to a smaller national satellite office of a strong firm). Oh yeah, and at the higher ranked firm I would have had to do close to 80% litigation for the entire summer despite wanting to be a corporate lawyer (100% set on this), which was equally unappealing. Sorry, some sour grapes still!   

what drives one to want to be a corporate lawyer?

I did corporate and litigation at my firm this last summer and much preferred corporate. Though of course everyone has their reasons, I was a business undergrad major and was always interest in the business aspect of the law - as a result, I found transactional work more fascinating and enjoyed it more. I also like that it is less adversarial as I have the nature to be argumentative and I did not want to foster that in my work.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: pikey on November 04, 2007, 08:42:30 PM
Hi Towelie!  Thanks for all your help last year, even though I ended up not even visiting Penn.  I have almost the exact same reasons for wanting to go corporate (business ug, etc) even though I haven't had any practical experience yet.  Anyhoo, I just wanted to drop by and say thanks!
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: themystery on November 04, 2007, 08:47:28 PM
How difficult is the coursework (measure that how you like...hours studying, for example. Just want to get an idea of what to expect)?

What's the curve like?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 08:50:57 PM
Hi Towelie!  Thanks for all your help last year, even though I ended up not even visiting Penn.  I have almost the exact same reasons for wanting to go corporate (business ug, etc) even though I haven't had any practical experience yet.  Anyhoo, I just wanted to drop by and say thanks!

Hi! You are welcome.  :) How's UMich?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 04, 2007, 08:53:49 PM
How difficult is the coursework (measure that how you like...hours studying, for example. Just want to get an idea of what to expect)?

What's the curve like?

The first few weeks sucked - I studied for a few hours a day. As time went on, though, I read about 30 minutes a day per class for the next day and wound up doing just fine. Make sure you have a good outline, are following what is going on, read the cases (sometimes skimming is okay if you are not on call and you know the teacher will clarify it for you) and are not gunning for the top of the class. There are other Penners on here who can tell you what to do for top grades I guess.

It is difficult material and you don't want to make an ass out of yourself, but sometimes you will. Luckily, the curve at Penn rocks. I think like 3 1L's got C's and everyone else got a B- or above - there was even one elective where 50% of the class got A's, and 75% got A's or A-'s (i.e. there are no curves for second semester elective classes, which make up mostly half your schedule and teachers generally are nicer than the school's suggested curve). Employers have no clue where you are in your class a lot of time and neither do you.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 05, 2007, 07:29:25 AM
Back for a bit. Any more questions before I hibernate again?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 05, 2007, 11:41:22 AM
How can I be as cool as you?  ;)
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on November 05, 2007, 03:00:28 PM
how's crim treating you?  ;)
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 05, 2007, 03:09:36 PM
how's crim treating you?  ;)

Towelie and I are 2Ls... crim is a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on November 05, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
i meant criminology.  i was in crim law with towlie last year...not sure if you were there, but if you both were in section three, then you were :)
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 05, 2007, 03:13:38 PM
i meant criminology.  i was in crim law with towlie last year...not sure if you were there, but if you both were in section three, then you were :)

nope, i was section 2.  ah, yes, towelie is indeed a "criminologist."
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 98765432 on November 05, 2007, 04:49:23 PM
tag
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 05, 2007, 05:45:48 PM
How can I be as cool as you?  ;)

You can't be.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 05, 2007, 05:46:49 PM
i meant criminology.  i was in crim law with towlie last year...not sure if you were there, but if you both were in section three, then you were :)

nope, i was section 2.  ah, yes, towelie is indeed a "criminologist."

Don't hate! It's going very well, thank you :) It is hard to do a J.D./M.S. in 3 years, but I am somehow managing, despite my overwhelming duties as treasurer of the Penn Law Tennis Club.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 05, 2007, 05:59:44 PM
i meant criminology.  i was in crim law with towlie last year...not sure if you were there, but if you both were in section three, then you were :)

nope, i was section 2.  ah, yes, towelie is indeed a "criminologist."

Don't hate! It's going very well, thank you :) It is hard to do a J.D./M.S. in 3 years, but I am somehow managing, despite my overwhelming duties as treasurer of the Penn Law Tennis Club.

lol.  maybe you can work on getting us a good price on t-shirts?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 05, 2007, 06:01:24 PM
i meant criminology.  i was in crim law with towlie last year...not sure if you were there, but if you both were in section three, then you were :)

nope, i was section 2.  ah, yes, towelie is indeed a "criminologist."

Don't hate! It's going very well, thank you :) It is hard to do a J.D./M.S. in 3 years, but I am somehow managing, despite my overwhelming duties as treasurer of the Penn Law Tennis Club.

lol.  maybe you can work on getting us a good price on t-shirts?

Ok. We'll talk.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 05, 2007, 06:28:33 PM
Quick question... I'm a senior and I'm applied early decision to penn.  I was thinking about trying to do the JD/MBA program, but I've heard that it can scare off big firms because they  get the perception that you may not be 100% to staying in the law.  Have you heard anything about this?  Thanks!

If you are a senior applying ED to Penn that most likely means you have no work experience and so getting into the MBA program would be INCREDIBLY hard, I would imagine. They love work experience at Wharton, whether you are a JD student or not.

As far as it hurting you with law firms, I haven't heard anything of the like. I know a few JD/MBA students and they've worked at great firms (including one I'm going to this summer ;)). A JD/MBA won't hurt your legal career - whether or not it will help it is the real question. 
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 05, 2007, 06:37:48 PM
I wouldn't worry about scaring off firms--if you want a Biglaw job, you'll get one coming from Penn.  I question, however, whether a MBA and the extra year of school--and the money it would cost--is necessary.  You can take four Wharton classes to get a stronger business background if you hope to move in-house.

I recently sat in on a lunch with a Penn grad who is the CEO of company that handles lab tests for hospitals.  He said he had no business training, but he learned on the job.

In short, if you have rich parents that will pay for your degree, by all means go for it.  School's great!  Otherwise, it really isn't necessary.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 05, 2007, 06:44:04 PM
I wouldn't worry about scaring off firms--if you want a Biglaw job, you'll get one coming from Penn.  I question, however, whether a MBA and the extra year of school--and the money it would cost--is necessary.  You can take four Wharton classes to get a stronger business background if you hope to move in-house.

I recently sat in on a lunch with a Penn grad who is the CEO of company that handles lab tests for hospitals.  He said he had no business training, but he learned on the job.

In short, if you have rich parents that will pay for your degree, by all means go for it.  School's great!  Otherwise, it really isn't necessary.

Right, but even it is unnecessary to 99.9% of people, some people may benefit from it...and besides, it is Wharton. It is just ridiculously hard to get into with no work experience! But they are going to start a 3 year JD/MBA in the near future (I believe), which will be much more economical and appealing (and I think it will only take 3-4 people, so super competitive).
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 05, 2007, 06:56:32 PM
I wouldn't worry about scaring off firms--if you want a Biglaw job, you'll get one coming from Penn.  I question, however, whether a MBA and the extra year of school--and the money it would cost--is necessary.  You can take four Wharton classes to get a stronger business background if you hope to move in-house.

I recently sat in on a lunch with a Penn grad who is the CEO of company that handles lab tests for hospitals.  He said he had no business training, but he learned on the job.

In short, if you have rich parents that will pay for your degree, by all means go for it.  School's great!  Otherwise, it really isn't necessary.

Right, but even it is unnecessary to 99.9% of people, some people may benefit from it...and besides, it is Wharton. It is just ridiculously hard to get into with no work experience! But they are going to start a 3 year JD/MBA in the near future (I believe), which will be much more economical and appealing (and I think it will only take 3-4 people, so super competitive).

Alright awesome.  Thanks so much for the advice.  I don't have rich parents haha, so I was only going to do it if it seemed like it would give me a huge advantage.  Also, good point about me getting into Wharton, I don't think that my status as a part-time LSAT tutor would constitute "work," let alone working as a landscaper :D.

Also, what's the night life like?  I go to a very large school in Pennsylvania that is notorious for football and beer.  I think you can figure it out.  And no it's not Pitt, because Pitt sucks!  Just curious if you could give me a feel for the vibe at Penn; I'm really over the drunk sloppy sorority girl scene at Penn State. ha

I went to a large party state school so I can very easily relate to the switch. There is a world of difference. While the night life is fun (and mostly consists of bar hopping in Center City or Old City) there are also plenty of grown up things to do like go to lectures, operas, etc. The restaurant scene is amazing in Philadelphia and there are some great bars too.

There is a good-sized undergrad population though, so if you long for keggers and house parties, I'm sure you can find them... but it's not usually what the law school does (though there have been some keggers this year which have been rather enjoyable).
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: nealric on November 05, 2007, 07:36:16 PM
No you're a towel!

Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 05, 2007, 08:00:20 PM
No you're a towel!



Am I to understand there's been some sort of Towelie-ban?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 11, 2007, 10:04:04 PM
No you're a towel!



Am I to understand there's been some sort of Towelie-ban?

They like to air dry.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: euphory on November 26, 2007, 01:47:33 PM
hi! penn 1L here. what should we be doing now?
i'm doing outlining and plan to take practice exams. too little time, too much to do... CP&P is not particularly helpful, so i'm looking for a job next semester...
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 26, 2007, 07:07:41 PM
hi! penn 1L here. what should we be doing now?
i'm doing outlining and plan to take practice exams. too little time, too much to do... CP&P is not particularly helpful, so i'm looking for a job next semester...

If you're not absolutely committed to a firm job, hold off on the job search until winter break.  (And if you might want to work for a firm, there's still 1L OCI in the spring, where I got a callback from a good NY firm.)  Your first priority should be working old tests; if that means you don't finish outlining, study from an old one.

CPP actually CAN'T help until Dec. 1st; it's against NALP guidelines.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: RokoMotion on November 26, 2007, 07:14:17 PM
What do you think are the biggest misconceptions about Penn?

Also...how would you evaluate Penn's Constitutional Law Program and clerkship opportunities compared to other T14 schools?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Team Pam on November 26, 2007, 07:24:02 PM
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 26, 2007, 08:10:25 PM
What do you think are the biggest misconceptions about Penn?
Also...how would you evaluate Penn's Constitutional Law Program and clerkship opportunities compared to other T14 schools?

Your first question is a bit vague, but I can answer better if you ask me something more along the lines of, "I heard ____.  Is it true?"  I guess the one thing I thought as an applicant was that going to a higher-ranked T14 (Columbia, for example) would be more helpful as far as getting a Biglaw job.  Not true!  Anyone who can give a halfway decent interview can get a good firm job, even with pretty bad grades.  The hardest part of OCI is choosing which job offer to take!  I'm guessing this is true for most T14s--in fact, I would say the general misconception of prelaws is that you can make a meaningful comparison between the closely-ranked T14 schools based on exit options/prestige.  Possibly excluding HYS, just choose the one you like the best!

I can't compare between schools, but we have some really great Con Law scholars here, as well as a great variety of classes.  I'm taking a seminar in First Amendment theory next semester.  Our ACS (American Constitutional Society) chapter is the biggest in the nation, bringing tons of great speakers--most recently, the woman who argued the Seattle Schools case before the Supreme Court last term.  Ted Olsen and Larry Tribe were also just here to give a talk as part of programming in conjunction with the National Constitution Center.

As for clerkships, I think that's the area where HYS is really separated from the rest of the T14.  That said, Penn has two grads clerking for the Supreme Court this year, and I know several people going to prestigious circuit clerkships (including Kozinski).  You'll be able to get Federal District with average grades, possibly even poor grades depending on the district.  If you do well, you can go anywhere.

Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 26, 2007, 08:15:45 PM
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

You'd have to ask Towelie about that one!  ;)
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 27, 2007, 11:15:06 AM
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

Haha. Yes, this has been my semester. This semester, my travel has included: Chicago, Tucson, San Francisco/Palo Alto (4 times), LA (3 times), San Diego, New York (2 times), Portland, Seattle, Jamaica, and Miami (some of this was for callbacks) and this winter break I am going to Amsterdam, Brussels, Miami, The Bahamas, Honduras, Mexico, and Belize. In other words, you can definitely travel a LOT as a 2L at Penn.

I set my schedule up next semester so I only have class Tuesday-Thursday so I can, hopefully, travel more (I'm hoping London, Paris, Morocco, Montreal, Toronto, Vermont/New Hampshire, and, well, who knows where else). We'll see though.  ;)
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 27, 2007, 11:18:42 AM
What do you think are the biggest misconceptions about Penn?
Also...how would you evaluate Penn's Constitutional Law Program and clerkship opportunities compared to other T14 schools?

Your first question is a bit vague, but I can answer better if you ask me something more along the lines of, "I heard ____.  Is it true?"  I guess the one thing I thought as an applicant was that going to a higher-ranked T14 (Columbia, for example) would be more helpful as far as getting a Biglaw job.  Not true!  Anyone who can give a halfway decent interview can get a good firm job, even with pretty bad grades.  The hardest part of OCI is choosing which job offer to take!  I'm guessing this is true for most T14s--in fact, I would say the general misconception of prelaws is that you can make a meaningful comparison between the closely-ranked T14 schools based on exit options/prestige.  Possibly excluding HYS, just choose the one you like the best!

I can't compare between schools, but we have some really great Con Law scholars here, as well as a great variety of classes.  I'm taking a seminar in First Amendment theory next semester.  Our ACS (American Constitutional Society) chapter is the biggest in the nation, bringing tons of great speakers--most recently, the woman who argued the Seattle Schools case before the Supreme Court last term.  Ted Olsen and Larry Tribe were also just here to give a talk as part of programming in conjunction with the National Constitution Center.

As for clerkships, I think that's the area where HYS is really separated from the rest of the T14.  That said, Penn has two grads clerking for the Supreme Court this year, and I know several people going to prestigious circuit clerkships (including Kozinski).  You'll be able to get Federal District with average grades, possibly even poor grades depending on the district.  If you do well, you can go anywhere.



I can't stress the first part of what Legapp said enough - as far as BIGLAW is concerned, your grades basically have no effect on whether or not you can make top dollar in a market that you want. Granted, the better the grades, the more options you will have, but as someone whose grades were in the lower half, I was still able to pull off V5 and other prestigious firms, even in markets I had no connection to.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 98765432 on November 27, 2007, 04:37:47 PM
How many electives are offered your second semester?  What traditional courses get squeezed out to make room?  When taking elective classes, did you feel like you were underprepared for the course because you had not yet learned the basics?  Did you feel like you were at a disadvantage versus the 2L's in the course?

Are there any Latino neighborhoods near the law school?

How hard is it to get a public-interest-type job your first summer?  Does the school help finance that sort of thing?  Have you ever heard of someone clerking for an immigration judge their first summer?

What's percent of the class would you say is over 30?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 98765432 on November 27, 2007, 05:06:51 PM
Thanks for the response.  Could you find a list of first year electives.  I don't remember seeing anything like that, so I was under the wrong impression about that.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: rsr28 on November 27, 2007, 05:12:28 PM
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

Haha. Yes, this has been my semester. This semester, my travel has included: Chicago, Tucson, San Francisco/Palo Alto (4 times), LA (3 times), San Diego, New York (2 times), Portland, Seattle, Jamaica, and Miami (some of this was for callbacks) and this winter break I am going to Amsterdam, Brussels, Miami, The Bahamas, Honduras, Mexico, and Belize. In other words, you can definitely travel a LOT as a 2L at Penn.

I set my schedule up next semester so I only have class Tuesday-Thursday so I can, hopefully, travel more (I'm hoping London, Paris, Morocco, Montreal, Toronto, Vermont/New Hampshire, and, well, who knows where else). We'll see though.  ;)

How does this travel program work???
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: rsr28 on November 27, 2007, 05:24:16 PM
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

Haha. Yes, this has been my semester. This semester, my travel has included: Chicago, Tucson, San Francisco/Palo Alto (4 times), LA (3 times), San Diego, New York (2 times), Portland, Seattle, Jamaica, and Miami (some of this was for callbacks) and this winter break I am going to Amsterdam, Brussels, Miami, The Bahamas, Honduras, Mexico, and Belize. In other words, you can definitely travel a LOT as a 2L at Penn.

I set my schedule up next semester so I only have class Tuesday-Thursday so I can, hopefully, travel more (I'm hoping London, Paris, Morocco, Montreal, Toronto, Vermont/New Hampshire, and, well, who knows where else). We'll see though.  ;)

How does this travel program work???

Towelie doesn't believe in saving money, and interviewed at geographically diverse firms. That's how it works ;)

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<-- Egg on face.  How are you getting interviews even after having gotten (2) SA positions???
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 27, 2007, 08:53:02 PM
Towelie, wisely, had a firm job last summer, whereas I made $10/hr. by the good graces of Penn's subsidy for judicial internships.

But yeah, although interviewing is really stressful, the hotels and restaurants are great!
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 27, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
Is it true that Penn 2Ls don't have to attend classes and can just travel all over the globe instead?

Haha. Yes, this has been my semester. This semester, my travel has included: Chicago, Tucson, San Francisco/Palo Alto (4 times), LA (3 times), San Diego, New York (2 times), Portland, Seattle, Jamaica, and Miami (some of this was for callbacks) and this winter break I am going to Amsterdam, Brussels, Miami, The Bahamas, Honduras, Mexico, and Belize. In other words, you can definitely travel a LOT as a 2L at Penn.

I set my schedule up next semester so I only have class Tuesday-Thursday so I can, hopefully, travel more (I'm hoping London, Paris, Morocco, Montreal, Toronto, Vermont/New Hampshire, and, well, who knows where else). We'll see though.  ;)

How does this travel program work???

Cady and Legapp are right, I wisely took a firm job last summer making BANK and I took that money and spent it on travel. Granted about 3 of my trips to SF/Palo Alto were paid for, along with a trip to LA, NYC, and a few more, but other than that I've paid for it myself. Ask Legapp or Cady, I come from a poor background - but working a firm job my 1L summer opened up a stream of income to me that I've been able to use to see places in the world and country I never thought I'd get to experience. I'll be working too hard as an associate to appreciate travel, might as well do it now.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: RokoMotion on November 28, 2007, 07:01:30 AM
Back to the OP...

Are you ever worried Penn will plunge down the T14 rankings for being "over-rated" or gaming US News?  Are you ever troubled by the fact that some people think it is vastly overrated?  Do you find any truth in those accusations?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 28, 2007, 07:20:57 AM
Back to the OP...

Are you ever worried Penn will plunge down the T14 rankings for being "over-rated" or gaming US News?  Are you ever troubled by the fact that some people think it is vastly overrated?  Do you find any truth in those accusations?

Heh, I can only assume this impression comes from trolling around xoxo (where I suppose much of the anti-Penn sentiment is directed at Ciollli).  Every school "games" the rankings, to the extent that it means spending money on non-critical facilities like library books or making sure your grads are considered "employed."  I worked at an elite law school before coming to Penn, and believe me, they thought about US News.  Given how important it is to applicants, they'd be fools not to.

I'm not sure how one would know that their school is "overrated," but I know Towelie, Cady, and I have been happy with the professors and resources here.  The name has also carried a lot of weight with law firms, and many of us here received offers from the highest Vault-ranked firms (although I turned mine down). 

While I think a degree of "prestige" is important in these issues, if you want Biglaw, I stand by what I said before--you'll do well to go to any T14.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 28, 2007, 07:39:52 AM
Back to the OP...

Are you ever worried Penn will plunge down the T14 rankings for being "over-rated" or gaming US News?  Are you ever troubled by the fact that some people think it is vastly overrated?  Do you find any truth in those accusations?

First, let me say I love Penn. I love it to death. I am probably one of the biggest Penn trolls out there.

That said, am I "worried" that Penn will plunge down the T14 rankings as you put? Hell no. What do I have to be worried about? I don't want to clerk, I have job(s) lined up, and firms are NOT up to date with US News enough to know that Penn is #6 now, much less that it might be #8 next year and #7 the next. So, no I am not worried (though, for the record, I also don't think Penn will "plunge" in the rankings. It might drop next year, but it won't "plunge").

Second, I am likewise not troubled by the fact that some people think Penn is "vastly" overrated. Do I think, according to US News, it is overrated? Probably. But that speaks more of my respect for the University of Chicago as a law school and institution in general than it does against Penn. Also, in no way do I think you would be sacrificing by choosing Penn over the University of Chicago, but I think in ways that US News determines its rankings (at least the public part), Chicago should be ranked higher. Penn is not historically a T6, and while it is building its faculty and attracting a top-notch student body, currently Chicago still has a slight edge in these areas and a few more (though I think Penn has some advantages too, of course). But in no way is Penn "vastly" overrated, but I could hear you out if you thought it could go down a spot or so. HTFH.  :D
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 28, 2007, 11:22:56 AM
Do I think, according to US News, it is overrated? Probably. But that speaks more of my respect for the University of Chicago as a law school and institution in general than it does against Penn. Also, in no way do I think you would be sacrificing by choosing Penn over the University of Chicago, but I think in ways that US News determines its rankings (at least the public part), Chicago should be ranked higher. Penn is not historically a T6, and while it is building its faculty and attracting a top-notch student body, currently Chicago still has a slight edge in these areas and a few more (though I think Penn has some advantages too, of course). But in no way is Penn "vastly" overrated, but I could hear you out if you thought it could go down a spot or so. HTFH.  :D

This is because you're an econ guy. :D  I think Penn actually gets plenty of students who got in to Chicago, or would have if they applied, because people like me have such a strong East Coast bias (I didn't apply anywhere outside the Northeast Corridor).  I do think Penn should recruit more "star" faculty along the lines of Cass Sustein and Geoffrey Stone, but I love that our newest hires are both great teachers AND have superstar potential (Yoo, Wolffe, Coglianese).  I really can't compare to Chicago, since I didn't look there at all. 

Anyway, this is where personal preferences come in.  From what I've heard of Chicago, it seems like a very different school, but beyond any other consideration I knew I didn't want to be in the Midwest.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 28, 2007, 11:29:44 AM
Do I think, according to US News, it is overrated? Probably. But that speaks more of my respect for the University of Chicago as a law school and institution in general than it does against Penn. Also, in no way do I think you would be sacrificing by choosing Penn over the University of Chicago, but I think in ways that US News determines its rankings (at least the public part), Chicago should be ranked higher. Penn is not historically a T6, and while it is building its faculty and attracting a top-notch student body, currently Chicago still has a slight edge in these areas and a few more (though I think Penn has some advantages too, of course). But in no way is Penn "vastly" overrated, but I could hear you out if you thought it could go down a spot or so. HTFH.  :D

This is because you're an econ guy. :D  I think Penn actually gets plenty of students who got in to Chicago, or would have if they applied, because people like me have such a strong East Coast bias (I didn't apply anywhere outside the Northeast Corridor).  I do think Penn should recruit more "star" faculty along the lines of Cass Sustein and Geoffrey Stone, but I love that our newest hires are both great teachers AND have superstar potential (Yoo, Wolffe, Coglianese).  I really can't compare to Chicago, since I didn't look there at all. 

Anyway, this is where personal preferences come in.  From what I've heard of Chicago, it seems like a very different school, but beyond any other consideration I knew I didn't want to be in the Midwest.

You're right - I am a Law & Economics guy and that does factor into how I feel. As far as recruiting faculty goes, I am on the Faculty Appointments Committee and meet twice a week with potential new faculty hires and, without disclosing anything I am not allowed to, let me just say we have some of the most amazing candidates I have ever seen and I see a LOT of growth in that area. I am really excited to see who gets hired and we have some great visiting professors right now.

Also, I like Chicago as a city better than Philadelphia, but that didn't play into my thoughts because I hate where University of Chicago is located (sorry UChi trolls, but Northwestern pwn3s you on this!)
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Team Pam on November 28, 2007, 12:46:09 PM
Honestly, I think the only place where Penn is considered "overrated" is on internet message boards.  In the real world, I'd say the most-overrated top school title goes to NYU.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 28, 2007, 01:31:41 PM
Honestly, I think the only place where Penn is considered "overrated" is on internet message boards.  In the real world, I'd say the most-overrated top school title goes to NYU.

Perhaps, but in the end we all get kick ass jobs so who the @#!* cares whether people think we are "overrated" or will "plunge in the rankings". You know? I'm still making 160k, getting one hell of an education, enjoying my time and the people I have gotten to know immensely, and that's fine enough for me! 
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Team Pam on November 28, 2007, 01:48:19 PM
Perhaps, but in the end we all get kick ass jobs so who the @#!* cares whether people think we are "overrated" or will "plunge in the rankings". You know? I'm still making 160k, getting one hell of an education, enjoying my time and the people I have gotten to know immensely, and that's fine enough for me! 

Agreed -- I'm just saying that on top of all that, I haven't yet encountered a hint of Penn's reputation being anything but stellar.  I've been even more impressed with the faculty and the school's reputation among lawyers and scholars than I expected.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on November 28, 2007, 02:31:38 PM
Perhaps, but in the end we all get kick ass jobs so who the @#!* cares whether people think we are "overrated" or will "plunge in the rankings". You know? I'm still making 160k, getting one hell of an education, enjoying my time and the people I have gotten to know immensely, and that's fine enough for me! 

Agreed -- I'm just saying that on top of all that, I haven't yet encountered a hint of Penn's reputation being anything but stellar.  I've been even more impressed with the faculty and the school's reputation among lawyers and scholars than I expected.

Oh, for sure. Anecdotally, I received a 1L SA before grades even came out and was able to penetrate the California markets with ease, having no connections at all. Penn's name carries REALLY far (because lord knows it was not the strength of my TTT undergrad!) 
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: m1 on December 01, 2007, 10:14:00 AM
just dropping in-

studying for exams sucks.  that is all :P

but to back up what everyone has said thus far, i've been rather impressed with how far Penn's reputation has been carrying.  today, of course, was the first day to send info to firms and judges, so I'll report back when/if I hear anything personally.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on December 01, 2007, 10:33:38 AM
just dropping in-

studying for exams sucks.  that is all :P

but to back up what everyone has said thus far, i've been rather impressed with how far Penn's reputation has been carrying.  today, of course, was the first day to send info to firms and judges, so I'll report back when/if I hear anything personally.

Are you applying to the EDPA?  PM me if you are.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 98765432 on December 01, 2007, 12:02:47 PM
What about ages of students?  Spanish neighborhoods?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 01, 2007, 11:49:09 PM
What about ages of students?  Spanish neighborhoods?

Age ranges from just out of college (even graduating early) to 50's. There are Spanish or Hispanic neighborhoods in Philly. Philadelphia is very culturally diverse, though not as much as NYC or SF I would say. 
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 01, 2007, 11:50:00 PM
just dropping in-

studying for exams sucks.  that is all :P

but to back up what everyone has said thus far, i've been rather impressed with how far Penn's reputation has been carrying.  today, of course, was the first day to send info to firms and judges, so I'll report back when/if I hear anything personally.

You'll survive dude. And with your personality you'll get a job no matter what your grades. I had a friend get all B's first semester and get a 1L SA job. I think you'll be gold.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 98765432 on December 02, 2007, 06:09:29 AM
Estimate, please, what percent is older than 30?  And are there any Spanish neighborhoods close to the University?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: RokoMotion on December 02, 2007, 07:52:21 AM
What do you consider Penn's strength's in comparison to "higher ranked" schools like CCN?  What about compared to "similarly ranked" schools like MVB?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 02, 2007, 09:40:19 AM
Estimate, please, what percent is older than 30?  And are there any Spanish neighborhoods close to the University?

I don't know where the closest Spanish neighborhood is, but I'm guessing it wouldn't be more than a 15 minute commute from the Law School, though this is something you should contact LALSA (our Latin American Law Student Association - and while I realize this isn't Spanish, I think they could help better than I could).

A very small percent is over 30. But I would say something like maybe 3-5% are over 30? A lot of people are like 27-30, so if your cut-off were a little lower the percentage that I would guess would be higher. The number I gave you is a complete guess, though.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 02, 2007, 09:45:28 AM
What do you consider Penn's strength's in comparison to "higher ranked" schools like CCN?  What about compared to "similarly ranked" schools like MVB?

Penn's strength compared to Columbia and NYU... it is NOT in NYC!!! I may be the only person in the world who feels this way, but @#!* New York! The first thing I did when I got into Penn was call NYU to withdraw my deferred application there (they said they hadn't made a decision and let me withdraw and then rejected me 2 weeks later, but that's another story)...

Location aside, Penn wins as far as class size is concerned and, from what I have heard, student/faculty interaction. One of my best friends is at NYU Law and what he likes about it there is that the teachers are viewed as scholars and you don't approach them unless you have something well thought out to say. Well, at Penn, the professors are scholars but we are a bit more laid back - get ready to find yourself laughing in class, forming informal relationships with professors (I play Scrabulous with my Con Law professor on Facebook all the time and was tennis partners with another), etc.

As far as Chicago is concerned, it wins for size (and, for me, location... though I wish it were in Lincoln Park!) and I don't know about faculty/student interaction. I would say visit the two school and go to whichever fits you best.

As far as MVB, as someone who is going to northern California next summer I probably would have taken B over Penn had I got in (because I always knew I wanted to work in California). The advantages Penn enjoys over these schools are size, it is a private university (which I think is better), access to Wharton and the rest of the University (personally, I am getting a J.D./M.S. in the same amount of time it would take to get a J.D.), and it is close to DC and NYC if you like the East coast thang (which I don't, but some people do!) Also, statistically Penn has a numerically stronger student body.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 'tiki on December 03, 2007, 07:26:55 PM
Penn 1L returning after an extended LSD hiatus. I'll back up most of the statements made my Towelie, LegApp and Team Pam so far.

By the way, I love it here. Best decision I could've made.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration on December 03, 2007, 07:42:18 PM
could you guys tell me about the social life, more specifically the bars and what not, because hey, who am i kidding?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 'tiki on December 03, 2007, 07:43:36 PM
That is one of the things I love the most about being here I can keep on top of work and still go out 2-4 times a week. There is something for everyone lots of bars and clubs in CC and Old City, bars in UC with undergrads. House parties. There is also tons to do that doesn't involve drinking. There's a bowling club which is very popular, flag football, tons of events in the law school every day, free lunches almost daily and some people find it quite easy to go to NYC or DC every few weekends. Trust me, you won't get bored.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Pop Up Video on December 03, 2007, 07:45:09 PM
That is one of the things I love the most about being here I can keep on top of work and still go out 2-4 times a week. There is something for everyone lots of bars and clubs in CC and Old City, bars in UC with undergrads. House parties. There is also tons to do that doesn't involve drinking. There's a bowling club which is very popular, flag football, tons of events in the law school every day, free lunches almost daily and some people find it quite easy to go to NYC or DC every few weekends. Trust me, you won't get bored.

Why did you pick Penn over other schools? Specifically, NYU and Boalt with $$$?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 'tiki on December 03, 2007, 07:54:54 PM
The straight answer is because I felt more comfortable at Penn. That said it came down to Penn, NYU, and Boalt. I visited all three schools (and I would not have made my decision without visiting). It came down to several factors: Philadelphia is cheaper than NYC and Bay Area; the facilities at Penn were beautiful with newly renovated classrooms (as NYU) but Boalt's were seriously lacking and although facilities should not be a deciding factor they do affect the environment in which you will spend most of your time; and, the Boalt student body was a little bit older than Penn's while NYU's was completely disconnected with no real sense of community. The academics at all of them were stellar, but Penn had a legislative clinic and a certificate in environmental policy. Both of which I want to do. Overall, it was not an easy decision but I do not regret it in any way and would say that each school has its own personality so you just have to "date" them and figure out which one is more compatible.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Pop Up Video on December 03, 2007, 07:56:42 PM
Cool, thanks for the answer.  :)
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 'tiki on December 03, 2007, 07:57:16 PM
No prob. That's the whole point of being here.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 03, 2007, 09:03:50 PM
could you guys tell me about the social life, more specifically the bars and what not, because hey, who am i kidding?

The bars are AWESOME here. Lots of hole-in-the-wall type places that you'd walk by during the day and have no idea it had an amazing inside, drink menu, etc. You also have some better known, larger bars and there are quite a few sections of the city to go to if you want to have a great time. BYOB restaurants are also big in this city and because they don't need a liquor license the food is just as good but less expensive. Even if you are poor, you will enjoy the finest bars and restaurants in the city because that's where firms take you to recruit you.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration on December 03, 2007, 09:16:00 PM
Awesome, thanks for the answers folks.

If I may ask another question...

I really liked how the dorms were like 2 feet from classes and the library.  Are they nice places to live?  Also, do LS tend to hang out only with LS?  Or do you chill with other grad students.

One more thing, for the classes for Wharton for the Bizznass cert, are they ridiculously hard?  Like warren buffets all over the place?

Thanks guys/girls, Penn is my top choice.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 'tiki on December 03, 2007, 09:20:25 PM
In terms of housing, the dorms are in pretty bad shape and I would not recommend them. I live in CC as does Towelie. But there are tons of housing options closer to the school as well. I know of like 15 1Ls that live across the street. In terms of hanging out, I would say that it is mostly LS with LS but certainly tons of people have friends outside the law school.

I wouldn't know about how hard the Wharton courses are so I can't help you there.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 03, 2007, 09:23:22 PM
Awesome, thanks for the answers folks.

If I may ask another question...

I really liked how the dorms were like 2 feet from classes and the library.  Are they nice places to live?  Also, do LS tend to hang out only with LS?  Or do you chill with other grad students.

One more thing, for the classes for Wharton for the Bizznass cert, are they ridiculously hard?  Like warren buffets all over the place?

Thanks guys/girls, Penn is my top choice.

I haven't taken a Wharton class, so I can't say (though it is only because I'm getting a joint degree in another department, they are obviously available). Don't live in the dorm. CC is where it is at and West Philly is NOT where to be at night! That said, the dorm still attracts 50% of the 1L class, somehow, so if that's your thang then do it. It is very conveinant, but I still say move to Rittenhouse.

Some law kids only hang out with law kids, some hang out with undergrads, some other grads, and most a mix of all 3.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on December 03, 2007, 09:23:27 PM
Whatever you do don't live in the dorms, I don't know anyone who is happy with them.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration on December 03, 2007, 09:28:07 PM
I really want to feel immersed with the entire class wherever I go, I thought the dorms would be the best option.  Do you guys feel that you are still "part of "the school" even living off campus?  Don't take that quote too literally, I think you guys get what I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on December 03, 2007, 09:30:10 PM
I'm jumping in here because I'm sick of supplemental jurisdiction... honestly, I have friends that live in the dorms and friends that don't - it doesn't matter at all.  I was worried about the same thing, but it is no big deal.  The secret is that all the west philly kids come to center city at night anyway.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: RokoMotion on December 03, 2007, 09:30:53 PM
Do you have any advice on things I should do - Penn specific - to prepare to come to Philly should I get in for ED?  Any things you would suggest doing before Fall?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 'tiki on December 03, 2007, 09:31:48 PM
Definitely. Half the 1L class does not live on the dorms and there are like 10 1Ls in my building alone which is a block from Towelie's. Besides there are cel phones to make plans to go out and people can hang out at each other's apartments or when there is good weather at the park. So I don't think I have missed out.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration on December 03, 2007, 09:33:11 PM
there are cell phones?!

haha just kidding.  thanks for the quick responses everyone.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 03, 2007, 09:33:26 PM
whereabouts is towelie heading this summer?

Westward-ho!
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: 'tiki on December 03, 2007, 09:33:40 PM
Do you have any advice on things I should do - Penn specific - to prepare to come to Philly should I get in for ED?  Any things you would suggest doing before Fall?

Definitely visit so you get a feeling of where you want to live. Other than that there is not much to do before coming to Philly. Oh and come to Admitted Students Weekend, it will be awesome.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: AmyWaxFanClubPresident on December 03, 2007, 09:33:57 PM
Riverwest 'tiki?

Do you have any advice on things I should do - Penn specific - to prepare to come to Philly should I get in for ED?  Any things you would suggest doing before Fall?

Buy a bullet proof vest...I kid.  Not much for preparation, kick back and relax.  If you want to live off campus, make sure you start looking for apartments mid-July.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 03, 2007, 09:34:38 PM
I really want to feel immersed with the entire class wherever I go, I thought the dorms would be the best option.  Do you guys feel that you are still "part of "the school" even living off campus?  Don't take that quote too literally, I think you guys get what I'm trying to say.

I get what you are trying to say. I purposely lived off campus to avoid being immersed with law school - I needed a life outside of it. If you want to be immersed, the dorms are certainly the best route or you could look into Domus which is also right across the street (though much, much more expensive), and find a similar environment at buildings like The Left Bank, and Riverwest.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 03, 2007, 09:36:37 PM
Do you have any advice on things I should do - Penn specific - to prepare to come to Philly should I get in for ED?  Any things you would suggest doing before Fall?

Buy a bullet-proof vest? Just kidding.  ;)

Relax! Enjoy life! Travel if you can (though you can do this during your 2L and 3L)! Search Craigslist for good apartments and start getting an idea. They fill up fast in the spring but you might be able to get a better place (even for the fall) now.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 03, 2007, 09:37:23 PM
Riverwest 'tiki?

Do you have any advice on things I should do - Penn specific - to prepare to come to Philly should I get in for ED?  Any things you would suggest doing before Fall?

Buy a bullet proof vest...I kid.  Not much for preparation, kick back and relax.  If you want to live off campus, make sure you start looking for apartments mid-July.

Haha!!! I made the same joke having not read your post!
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 04, 2007, 09:57:48 AM
Do you have any advice on things I should do - Penn specific - to prepare to come to Philly should I get in for ED?  Any things you would suggest doing before Fall?

If you can, visit to get an idea of where you might want to live. It's a lot easier to decipher apartment listings if you've explored the area.

Cady,

Who let you back into my thread?
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 04, 2007, 11:28:49 AM
Do you have any advice on things I should do - Penn specific - to prepare to come to Philly should I get in for ED?  Any things you would suggest doing before Fall?

If you can, visit to get an idea of where you might want to live. It's a lot easier to decipher apartment listings if you've explored the area.

Cady,

Who let you back into my thread?

The Flying Spaghetti Monster

May you be touched by His Noodley Appendage.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Team Pam on December 04, 2007, 09:02:45 PM
Cady, are you the person who was walking with Towelie on Sansom today?

Also, the dorms aren't the worst I've seen, but for the money you can probably do better.  The area west of campus is getting pretty nice and is still cheap, if you want to live somewhere close to school.

Incidentally, I've heard there's one 1L who commutes to school from NY, which is pretty crazy.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 04, 2007, 09:18:01 PM
Cady, are you the person who was walking with Towelie on Sansom today?

Also, the dorms aren't the worst I've seen, but for the money you can probably do better.  The area west of campus is getting pretty nice and is still cheap, if you want to live somewhere close to school.

Incidentally, I've heard there's one 1L who commutes to school from NY, which is pretty crazy.

That was her! Also, that 1L will be transferring to Columbia or NYU (which is probably pretty easy to do from Penn), assuming the commute didn't kill his/her grades.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: OnTheRoad on December 05, 2007, 02:50:30 AM
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Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Team Pam on December 05, 2007, 05:57:24 AM
Cady, are you the person who was walking with Towelie on Sansom today?

Also, the dorms aren't the worst I've seen, but for the money you can probably do better.  The area west of campus is getting pretty nice and is still cheap, if you want to live somewhere close to school.

Incidentally, I've heard there's one 1L who commutes to school from NY, which is pretty crazy.

That was her!

What a jerk, not introducing us!

Seriously!  But next time I see you, I'll say hi, even if Towelie isn't there.  :)
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration on December 05, 2007, 07:21:20 AM
hey do you guys have any idea what the penn law boxing team is like?  Is it a huge commitment?  Also, I heard there are friday night fight nights in philly which is just awesome.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: m1 on December 05, 2007, 08:25:54 AM
dear amywaxfanclub,

all the section 2 LSD posters are trying to figure out who you are.  I look forward to figuring this out.  It gives me something to distract myself from the impending doom known as our civ pro exam.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 05, 2007, 08:27:22 AM
hey do you guys have any idea what the penn law boxing team is like?  Is it a huge commitment?  Also, I heard there are friday night fight nights in philly which is just awesome.

I can't answer this, can anyone else?

M1 - I was just at Wax's house this weekend! I had her for a seminar and she had all like 15 of us over, it was pretty sweet. She hates Bush and the war in Iraq, go figure  ;)
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: m1 on December 05, 2007, 08:28:33 AM
shouldn't you be in class right now?  oh wait...thats where I am
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Post by: Rusty Shackleford on December 05, 2007, 08:54:38 AM
Down with Finals!
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 05, 2007, 09:00:10 AM
shouldn't you be in class right now?  oh wait...thats where I am

Nope. Just trying to make it through this f-ing Corporations outline. Ugh.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: UNAS on December 05, 2007, 09:26:28 AM
What kind of corporate opportunities exist with Upenn in the realm of consulting, banking…etc? I have heard law students option out of firm life and going to work for UBS, McKinsey, Ernst & Young… etc
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Team Pam on December 05, 2007, 11:07:45 AM
What kind of corporate opportunities exist with Upenn in the realm of consulting, banking…etc? I have heard law students option out of firm life and going to work for UBS, McKinsey, Ernst & Young… etc

McKinsey just left recruiting flyers in our mailboxes, inviting us to apply for a recruitment trip to Puerto Rico in February (all expenses paid, of course), so they're definitely looking at Penn Law.  I'd guess that if you're interested in going that route, getting the Wharton certificate (or even a joint MBA) would probably be a good move.
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Post by: UNAS on December 05, 2007, 11:10:37 AM
What kind of corporate opportunities exist with Upenn in the realm of consulting, banking…etc? I have heard law students option out of firm life and going to work for UBS, McKinsey, Ernst & Young… etc

McKinsey just left recruiting flyers in our mailboxes, inviting us to apply for a recruitment trip to Puerto Rico in February (all expenses paid, of course), so they're definitely looking at Penn Law.  I'd guess that if you're interested in going that route, getting the Wharton certificate (or even a joint MBA) would probably be a good move.

Actually that is one of the reasons I want to go to Penn. I need a good certificate program to corrobuorate my TTT MBA
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 05, 2007, 12:02:19 PM
What kind of corporate opportunities exist with Upenn in the realm of consulting, banking…etc? I have heard law students option out of firm life and going to work for UBS, McKinsey, Ernst & Young… etc

I have a friend working for McKinsey this summer. He is also in BALSA. I'll see if I can get you his e-mail address.
Title: Re: Penn 2L taking questions for a little bit...
Post by: Towelie on December 19, 2007, 06:44:19 PM
Sorry, I've been busy and unresponsive (to apparently not much activity). I'll be all over the world with not much internet access for winter break so it might take me until mid-January to answer questions. I'll try to check in if I can though.
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Post by: convicted on August 09, 2008, 06:15:55 PM
Can anybody at UPenn talk about public interest at their school? Is there a lot of, well, interest? Good courses? Professors? Do many students go into PI? Any information would be welcome. Thanks.
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Post by: convicted on August 10, 2008, 10:58:29 AM
Thanks, kasm. Bump... anybody else?