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Title: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on May 29, 2007, 10:59:43 AM
Fellow veterans! I know we all have Horror Stories from our first, second, & 3rd years of Law School. I believe the students show know exactly what they are getting themselves into and should be scared witless before they start :)

So it was around 8:50 a.m. and it was the FIRST day of exams, Contracts to be exact. I was PREPARED! I had (2) pencils and like every other Morehouse Man I had (2) pens as well! I had my outline still hot off the printer, and I even had a mini-outline sitting next to it.

So the Proctor gave us the signal to activate our testing software. So I turned my laptop on and waited for the ExamSoft to activate and greet me with the blue and green sign. . .

 . .and I waited . . .

. . .8:55. . . . .and I'm STILL waiting for that screen.

Unfortunately ExamSoft had other ideas and decided that TODAY was the day it decided NOT to work. To say that I panicked would be an understatment, I'm hitting CrtL+Alt+Del trying to get the software to start, and my Professor is up there staring at me like I'm crazy asking, "Is there a problem?"

To make it worst, the so-called "Computer Tech Chick" fumbled with my computer and simply stated, "Wow. . .I've never seen this problem before."
 ??? ???

In the end I was forced to HAND-WRITE my first exam. Fortunately the guy next to me had extra Bluebooks.

so what happened to ya'll?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on May 29, 2007, 06:02:52 PM
First horror story started before I even go into law school...I was accepted into law school and found out after I had quit my job that I could not get approved for private loans even with several different co-signers.  So in other words, I got into law school but couldn't afford to go.   >:(

Next horror story came at the end of the first semester of 1L when I got my first grade back in Crim Law, which was my strongest class based on my ability to effectively respond with the correct answer to my professor's barrage of socratic hazing on a daily basis, my familiarity with the MPC/Common Law distinctions, as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level.  Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.



Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on May 30, 2007, 06:17:59 AM
as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level.  Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.


I think everybody should take note of that last story and see it as a great illustration of just how arbitrary the grading in Law School is. You could walk out an exam feeling like an idiot who didn't know jack squat and get a GREAT grade, or you can walk out feeling confident and you end up dangling at the end of the curve.

This just makes me want to reiterate, that Law School sucks.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Tony Montana on May 30, 2007, 08:14:51 AM
First horror story started before I even go into law school...I was accepted into law school and found out after I had quit my job that I could not get approved for private loans even with several different co-signers.  So in other words, I got into law school but couldn't afford to go.   >:(

Next horror story came at the end of the first semester of 1L when I got my first grade back in Crim Law, which was my strongest class based on my ability to effectively respond with the correct answer to my professor's barrage of socratic hazing on a daily basis, my familiarity with the MPC/Common Law distinctions, as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level.  Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.



Man, that sucks!  Did you go over the results with your Prof.?  If so, what was his justification?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: whoneedsanABA on May 30, 2007, 01:08:56 PM
i'll be a 1l this upcoming fall...but my sister just finished her first year and has a myriad of stories to relay:


1) during her first semester our father suffered from renal and congestive heart failure...she wanted to be there but couldn't, totally affecting her psyche.
2) right before her 3rd final, she felt queezy and almost collapsed in the middle of the classroom.  she was excused by the proctor and drove herself to the hospital where she was diagnosed with extreme dehydration coupled with high blood pressure. she spent a few days in the hospital. the lesson here...always keep hydrated (gatorade) and try to enter law school with lance armstrong type health.
3) an hour into her property final this past semester...HER COMP FROZE. like TRUONE, she had to finish her final via bluebook.
4) she suffered a severe back injury (ironically carrying a set of law books) right before 2nd semester finals, resulting in days in the hospital. talk about deja vu...

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Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on May 30, 2007, 04:10:24 PM

Wow a B- thats pretty tragic  :D


I know, considering how the curve operates you would think he'd take his B- and keep on steppin'
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Funia on May 30, 2007, 04:11:38 PM

Wow a B- thats pretty tragic  :D


I know, considering how the curve operates you would think he'd take his B- and keep on steppin'

How does the curve operate?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on May 30, 2007, 04:15:44 PM
We had two freshman die of heart related conditions...
And a student from another local law school threatened to attack our school out of jealously, forcing the cancelation of classes  :o

We also had a Civ Pro final where the Prof only told the people who came to the optional review session that the multiple choice section of the exam was closed book.  Everyone else showed up thinking it was all open book.  People werent happy.

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE! Did the Professor explicitly tell ya'll that the multiple choice portion was going to be open book or did the class just assume his silence to mean "bring your notes and stuff"?

None of our 1L's died, but we lost at least two people to the struggle within the first semester.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on May 30, 2007, 04:18:59 PM

Wow a B- thats pretty tragic  :D


I know, considering how the curve operates you would think he'd take his B- and keep on steppin'

How does the curve operate?

Essentially what the Professor does is go thru ALL of the exams and pick out the 2 MAYBE 3 A+'s and then the 2 A-'s then he'll go and pick out the corresponding C-'s.

Then he takes the remainder 60 or so exams and walks over to the top of a stairwell then he just tosses the exam up in the air. Which step the papers land on is basically what grade you get.

So since he got the B- he should consider himself lucky b/c that means he beat out dozens of his classmates for that grade.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: DDBY on May 30, 2007, 04:21:11 PM

How does the curve operate?
From what I hear much like a guillotine.  Gardez bien vos cous!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: jillibean on May 30, 2007, 04:58:34 PM
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I really don't like the whole stair grading thing but I have heard it before- as a joke though so I hope there isn't really any truth to it
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on May 30, 2007, 05:27:06 PM
First horror story started before I even go into law school...I was accepted into law school and found out after I had quit my job that I could not get approved for private loans even with several different co-signers.  So in other words, I got into law school but couldn't afford to go.   >:(

Next horror story came at the end of the first semester of 1L when I got my first grade back in Crim Law, which was my strongest class based on my ability to effectively respond with the correct answer to my professor's barrage of socratic hazing on a daily basis, my familiarity with the MPC/Common Law distinctions, as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level. Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.



Man, that sucks!  Did you go over the results with your Prof.?  If so, what was his justification?

You're gonna love this one... 

So immediately after the exam grades came out, my Crim Law professor takes a sabbatical in EUROPE for the rest of the calender year.  I had to wait until the second semester of my 2L year to finally figure out just what in the hell was the meaning of this alleged B-.

So he pulls out the model answer, and pulls out my exam...first let me back up...he pulls out my exam after I tell him my exam number and looks at the grade and gived the "WTF?" face I swear to God, says to me, "I don't quite understand it, you were one of my top students in that class...I could always call on you for the answer....blah blah blah" more words to that effect.  "Well Professor, that's why I'm here."

So fast forward, he pulls out the model answer and we go through each problem.  I should preface by saying that this professor was an unusual one in that he had page limits for each answer, and asked pointed questions, such as "what are the chances that the defendant would be convicted of felony-murder?" and stuff like that, so you either knew it or you didn't.  As it turns out, I knew it.  As we went down the model answer and my answer I had all the correct arguments point for point.  The two exams were almost identical in content.  Unfortunately for me, the only difference was the one that mattered for this professor and this professor only.  Turns out there were certain particular cases that he was looking for us to cite to after each proposition on our exam.  So I would say something like "The issue is ABC.  ABC is satisfied when elements (1) (2) and (3) are met.  People v. Smith."  Whereas the model answer would say "The issue is ABC.  ABC is satisfied when elements (1) (2) and (3) are met.  People v. Jones."  Which turned out to be something ridiculous like 18 points on a 60 point question for citing to the particular the case he wanted to hear.  Not just the right case, but the particular case.  The right case wasn't good enough.

I even tried to argue that the cases that I had cited to still stood for the same propositions that he was looking for, but he said that, yes even though that was true, he had been teaching this course for X years and for X years he discussed People v. Jones in his class or something along those lines.  It was one of the most pointless meetings with a professor I've ever had.

Oh and another thing, you remember the days when you could go into a professor's or a TA's office in undergrad and argue you way into changing a grade?  Those days are gone.  Your grade is what it is.  There is no sex in the champagne room.  Outside of a gross mathematical grading error on a scantron sheet or something, law school grades are set in stone.



Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on May 30, 2007, 05:28:47 PM

Wow a B- thats pretty tragic  :D


I know, considering how the curve operates you would think he'd take his B- and keep on steppin'

Hey forget both of ya'll. ;D

B- when you're expecting a B-, ok kool.  B- when you're expecting an A?  Not kool.  Especially during 1L when you're vying for law review and moot court and all that jazz. 

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on May 30, 2007, 05:44:32 PM

Wow a B- thats pretty tragic  :D


I know, considering how the curve operates you would think he'd take his B- and keep on steppin'

Hey forget both of ya'll. ;D

B- when you're expecting a B-, ok kool.  B- when you're expecting an A?  Not kool.  Especially during 1L when you're vying for law review and moot court and all that jazz. 

Sands, whats was your schools curve.  and congrats on graduating!

Thanks, man. It was a long time coming like Sam Cooke.

Our school has a B curve, mathematically placing the majority of GPA's between 2.95 to 3.05


Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: whoneedsanABA on May 30, 2007, 05:50:15 PM
hey credo.... are you serious?  2 1ls died from heart related diseases?  did they die while taking an exam...or were they off campus incidents?

geez man...hastings is serious!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on May 30, 2007, 05:57:53 PM

Wow a B- thats pretty tragic  :D


I know, considering how the curve operates you would think he'd take his B- and keep on steppin'

Hey forget both of ya'll. ;D

B- when you're expecting a B-, ok kool.  B- when you're expecting an A?  Not kool.  Especially during 1L when you're vying for law review and moot court and all that jazz. 

Sands, whats was your schools curve.  and congrats on graduating!

Thanks, man. It was a long time coming like Sam Cooke.

Our school has a B curve, mathematically placing the majority of GPA's between 2.95 to 3.05

Ah I could see how that was disappointing then, weve got a B- curve so Im always relieved to see it on my transcript.  Then again Im not much of a scholar to begin with.


Somehow I doubt that is true.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on May 30, 2007, 07:25:35 PM

So he pulls out the model answer, and pulls out my exam...first let me back up...he pulls out my exam after I tell him my exam number and looks at the grade and gived the "WTF?" face I swear to God, says to me, "I don't quite understand it, you were one of my top students in that class...I could always call on you for the answer....blah blah blah" more words to that effect.  "Well Professor, that's why I'm here."

So fast forward, he pulls out the model answer and we go through each problem.  I should preface by saying that this professor was an unusual one in that he had page limits for each answer, and asked pointed questions, such as "what are the chances that the defendant would be convicted of felony-murder?" and stuff like that, so you either knew it or you didn't.  As it turns out, I knew it.  As we went down the model answer and my answer I had all the correct arguments point for point.  The two exams were almost identical in content.  Unfortunately for me, the only difference was the one that mattered for this professor and this professor only.  Turns out there were certain particular cases that he was looking for us to cite to after each proposition on our exam.  So I would say something like "The issue is ABC.  ABC is satisfied when elements (1) (2) and (3) are met.  People v. Smith."  Whereas the model answer would say "The issue is ABC.  ABC is satisfied when elements (1) (2) and (3) are met.  People v. Jones."  Which turned out to be something ridiculous like 18 points on a 60 point question for citing to the particular the case he wanted to hear.  Not just the right case, but the particular case.  The right case wasn't good enough.

I even tried to argue that the cases that I had cited to still stood for the same propositions that he was looking for, but he said that, yes even though that was true, he had been teaching this course for X years and for X years he discussed People v. Jones in his class or something along those lines.  It was one of the most pointless meetings with a professor I've ever had.

Oh and another thing, you remember the days when you could go into a professor's or a TA's office in undergrad and argue you way into changing a grade?  Those days are gone.  Your grade is what it is.  There is no sex in the champagne room.  Outside of a gross mathematical grading error on a scantron sheet or something, law school grades are set in stone.


This is exactly why I learned not to ever put a Professor on the spot in regards to your grade. They will find ANY reason to justify an arbitrary-ass grade.

"Well, what I was looking for was indentation for every paragraph, you didn't have that so you didn't earn as many points as possible."
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: DDBY on May 30, 2007, 08:15:08 PM
  There is no sex in the champagne room.
Better believe it.  An don't run out of money neither... oh you talkin bout somethin else.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: LBJFan on May 30, 2007, 11:47:34 PM
I have a few horror stories... but they have more to do with me being an idiot and less to do with things inherently horrifying about law school...

Lets see...I wouldnt call myself computer savvy when I started law school and the whole concept of backing things up was foreign to me. Well, my computer crashed the day before my first final...Con law. Lost all my outlines, notes, checklists etc. I debated simply begging classmates for notes and handwriting my exam but nooooooooo. I was hell-bent on getting that computer up and running again.

Long story short...I spent all day trying to get the friggin Geek Squad to fix my ish and they couldnt. I lost valuable study time and still ended up with no notes and had to handwrite. I had to handwrite ALL my exams that semester. Needless to say...bombed that con law exam. Did ok on the rest but it was unnecessarily stressful.

So you'd think I'd learned my lesson huh? of course not

I bought a brand new computer the next spring and right before finals...brand new computer crashes. Took another set of finals without notes and with the bluebooks. I guess new computers crash too. ummmm duh.

I'd like to think I am more prepared for the bar exam though...I took like 8 finals with no notes and did ok on most of them. Thats my silver lining and I'm sticking to it.  ;D

So then...

during another semester, I was completely unaware that this one class I'd signed up for was 3 credits and not 2. I planned on dropping the class but never quite got around to it. I only attended the class like 3 times all semester, never bought the book, didnt have the slightest idea what the class was about and towards the end of the semester I went to drop it (because you can drop all the way up until the final) and low and behold...its a 3 credit class and I couldn't drop it because then I would've been part time and we're not allowed to be part time.

So...I took the final exam blind, without a textbook, without notes, without a clue. Didnt answer half the questions. Got a B-  ;) Ahhh, law school curves can be joyful sometimes.


Moral of the story...dont be an idiot  ;D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on May 31, 2007, 06:36:22 AM
Man, me and my computer got some serious beef. This sucker decided to CRASH on me in the middle of the 2nd Semester. So that meant ALL OF MY NOTES/OUTLINES/EVERYTHING was erased, as if they never existed.

Can you imagine 2 months worth of notes and stuff from 5 different classes being gone?

Fortunately I had a classmate who had Onenote and we're cool so she just let me have her notes from the first 2 months. That way I could still reference them when I was making my outline.


Moral of the Story: Become cool with someone who takes good notes in case your computer decides to kill itself.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Tony Montana on May 31, 2007, 07:09:31 AM
First horror story started before I even go into law school...I was accepted into law school and found out after I had quit my job that I could not get approved for private loans even with several different co-signers.  So in other words, I got into law school but couldn't afford to go.   >:(

Next horror story came at the end of the first semester of 1L when I got my first grade back in Crim Law, which was my strongest class based on my ability to effectively respond with the correct answer to my professor's barrage of socratic hazing on a daily basis, my familiarity with the MPC/Common Law distinctions, as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level. Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.



Man, that sucks!  Did you go over the results with your Prof.?  If so, what was his justification?

You're gonna love this one... 

So immediately after the exam grades came out, my Crim Law professor takes a sabbatical in EUROPE for the rest of the calender year.  I had to wait until the second semester of my 2L year to finally figure out just what in the hell was the meaning of this alleged B-.

So he pulls out the model answer, and pulls out my exam...first let me back up...he pulls out my exam after I tell him my exam number and looks at the grade and gived the "WTF?" face I swear to God, says to me, "I don't quite understand it, you were one of my top students in that class...I could always call on you for the answer....blah blah blah" more words to that effect.  "Well Professor, that's why I'm here."

So fast forward, he pulls out the model answer and we go through each problem.  I should preface by saying that this professor was an unusual one in that he had page limits for each answer, and asked pointed questions, such as "what are the chances that the defendant would be convicted of felony-murder?" and stuff like that, so you either knew it or you didn't.  As it turns out, I knew it.  As we went down the model answer and my answer I had all the correct arguments point for point.  The two exams were almost identical in content.  Unfortunately for me, the only difference was the one that mattered for this professor and this professor only.  Turns out there were certain particular cases that he was looking for us to cite to after each proposition on our exam.  So I would say something like "The issue is ABC.  ABC is satisfied when elements (1) (2) and (3) are met.  People v. Smith."  Whereas the model answer would say "The issue is ABC.  ABC is satisfied when elements (1) (2) and (3) are met.  People v. Jones."  Which turned out to be something ridiculous like 18 points on a 60 point question for citing to the particular the case he wanted to hear.  Not just the right case, but the particular case.  The right case wasn't good enough.

I even tried to argue that the cases that I had cited to still stood for the same propositions that he was looking for, but he said that, yes even though that was true, he had been teaching this course for X years and for X years he discussed People v. Jones in his class or something along those lines.  It was one of the most pointless meetings with a professor I've ever had.

Oh and another thing, you remember the days when you could go into a professor's or a TA's office in undergrad and argue you way into changing a grade?  Those days are gone.  Your grade is what it is.  There is no sex in the champagne room.  Outside of a gross mathematical grading error on a scantron sheet or something, law school grades are set in stone.


Great! Now I am REALLY looking forward to this LS exam thing >:(
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Tony Montana on May 31, 2007, 07:15:48 AM
Man, me and my computer got some serious beef. This sucker decided to CRASH on me in the middle of the 2nd Semester. So that meant ALL OF MY NOTES/OUTLINES/EVERYTHING was erased, as if they never existed.

Can you imagine 2 months worth of notes and stuff from 5 different classes being gone?

Fortunately I had a classmate who had Onenote and we're cool so she just let me have her notes from the first 2 months. That way I could still reference them when I was making my outline.


Moral of the Story: Become cool with someone who takes good notes in case your computer decides to kill itself.

...Or, back up your info in a external/flash drive  ;)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: DDBY on May 31, 2007, 08:09:37 AM
Man, me and my computer got some serious beef. This sucker decided to CRASH on me in the middle of the 2nd Semester. So that meant ALL OF MY NOTES/OUTLINES/EVERYTHING was erased, as if they never existed.

Can you imagine 2 months worth of notes and stuff from 5 different classes being gone?

Fortunately I had a classmate who had Onenote and we're cool so she just let me have her notes from the first 2 months. That way I could still reference them when I was making my outline.


Moral of the Story: Become cool with someone who takes good notes in case your computer decides to kill itself.

...Or, back up your info in a external/flash drive  ;)
Yea, after this story I plan to back everything up on a regular basis.  If my computer crashes I will only loose a few days.  I'm writing it into my calander.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on May 31, 2007, 02:50:53 PM
This posting is like one of those things where you cant stand to watch but cant look away....



Not a law school story...

Last year of grad school and end of finals week.  Went to the testing center, requested the test number.  Took the test, felt like Avatar on that Crim Law exam.  One week later, all finals graded and in student mailboxes.  Go to my mailbox, got an A on the final.  Did my happy dance, only for 30 seconds.  Looked at the notes from the professor, almost died on the spot.  The note said...

"This is excellent work and by far one of the best exams I have graded in my tenure. Unfortunately, because you are not a student assigned to my class, your grade of "A" cannot be applied to your academic transcript."


Long story short, I took the wrong exam.  Same subject matter, different professors.  Three hours of my life gone to waste...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Denny Crane on May 31, 2007, 04:46:59 PM
This posting is like one of those things where you cant stand to watch but cant look away....



Not a law school story...

Last year of grad school and end of finals week.  Went to the testing center, requested the test number.  Took the test, felt like Avatar on that Crim Law exam.  One week later, all finals graded and in student mailboxes.  Go to my mailbox, got an A on the final.  Did my happy dance, only for 30 seconds.  Looked at the notes from the professor, almost died on the spot.  The note said...

"This is excellent work and by far one of the best exams I have graded in my tenure. Unfortunately, because you are not a student assigned to my class, your grade of "A" cannot be applied to your academic transcript."


Long story short, I took the wrong exam.  Same subject matter, different professors.  Three hours of my life gone to waste...


Damn, that sux.  Did the test not have the name of the prof?

Maybe you can use your impressive performance to leverage a recommendation or reference from the prof, though admittedly it would be an unusual recommendation/reference.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on May 31, 2007, 08:03:51 PM
This posting is like one of those things where you cant stand to watch but cant look away....



Not a law school story...

Last year of grad school and end of finals week.  Went to the testing center, requested the test number.  Took the test, felt like Avatar on that Crim Law exam.  One week later, all finals graded and in student mailboxes.  Go to my mailbox, got an A on the final.  Did my happy dance, only for 30 seconds.  Looked at the notes from the professor, almost died on the spot.  The note said...

"This is excellent work and by far one of the best exams I have graded in my tenure. Unfortunately, because you are not a student assigned to my class, your grade of "A" cannot be applied to your academic transcript."


Long story short, I took the wrong exam.  Same subject matter, different professors.  Three hours of my life gone to waste...


OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :o
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on May 31, 2007, 08:13:37 PM
Ouch!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on May 31, 2007, 08:27:32 PM
Lemme add my own academic semi-horror story.  
1st semester:  

taking notes.  Outlines almost completed. Exams around the corner. Computer doesn't exactly shut down but it "blacks out".  Comp turns on but is black.  Can make out very little.  Freak out time.  Then...wait...everything is saved on traveldrive about 2 hours before the black out.  

*Whew*

moral of story:  (1)Buy and obsessively save everything to your travel drive.   (2)Don't freak out...you're smarter than u realize.  


Haterade horror story w/ happy ending:
So law school's competitive right?  It's just like high school sometimes, right?  Here's the scene.  Networking reception.  BigLaw.  From all over the country. I'm all over.  Taking business cards & giving my own out.  Females from my school come late.  They ask me to help them network since they are shy.  Alright, I introduce them to some folks.  Along the way, they see that folks were more interested in what I had to offer.  Basically, we're all talking to these ppl as a group and the attorney/judge keeps on focusing the convo onto me. I try to get them into the convo.  No dice.  Chicks are not happy at this point!  One spills a drink on me (purposely) and they all laugh.  Unbeknowst to them -  back up jacket nearby.  I leave.  Grab the jacket.  5 mins later I m back.  See chicks talking to guy- partner in a big time firm.  I can tell guy's not interested in whatever they're talking about.  So your gyrl, strolls up.  Mind you, dude is WATCHING me walk from across the room. Introduce myself, shake his hand.  Dominate the convo, this time purposely.  They try to interrupt.  No dice. We're vibing. So you'd think they'd quit right...nope.  Still w/ the haterade.  Place closes out...I'm still talking to him and they are just standing there listening to the convo.  I say my goodbyes to dude and start to walk off.  Gyrls follow nearby.  Dude follows me out...yells my name out cause he cant catch up to me.  Everyone turns around incl.  those girls.   They try to block..."umm I didn't get your card, Mr.--".  Him:  I'm sorry...have we met? Anyway, cui bono, I really enjoyed our conversation..make sure you give me a call....here's my home number." From my vantage point I can see their faces.  Mouths wide open.  Rolling of the eyes.  Nice.  I love it!    

Moral:  Don't be shady.  But don't be as nice as I was.  
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Stand under my Umbrella ella ella, aye!! on May 31, 2007, 11:40:18 PM
Lemme add my own academic semi-horror story.  
1st semester:  

taking notes.  Outlines almost completed. Exams around the corner. Computer doesn't exactly shut down but it "blacks out".  Comp turns on but is black.  Can make out very little.  Freak out time.  Then...wait...everything is saved on traveldrive about 2 hours before the black out.  

*Whew*

moral of story:  (1)Buy and obsessively save everything to your travel drive.   (2)Don't freak out...you're smarter than u realize.  


Haterade horror story w/ happy ending:
So law school's competitive right?  It's just like high school sometimes, right?  Here's the scene.  Networking reception.  BigLaw.  From all over the country. I'm all over.  Taking business cards & giving my own out.  Females from my school come late.  They ask me to help them network since they are shy.  Alright, I introduce them to some folks.  Along the way, they see that folks were more interested in what I had to offer.  Basically, we're all talking to these ppl as a group and the attorney/judge keeps on focusing the convo onto me. I try to get them into the convo.  No dice.  Chicks are not happy at this point!  One spills a drink on me (purposely) and they all laugh.  Unbeknowst to them -  back up jacket nearby.  I leave.  Grab the jacket.  5 mins later I m back.  See chicks talking to guy- partner in a big time firm.  I can tell guy's not interested in whatever they're talking about.  So your gyrl, strolls up.  Mind you, dude is WATCHING me walk from across the room. Introduce myself, shake his hand.  Dominate the convo, this time purposely.  They try to interrupt.  No dice. We're vibing. So you'd think they'd quit right...nope.  Still w/ the haterade.  Place closes out...I'm still talking to him and they are just standing there listening to the convo.  I say my goodbyes to dude and start to walk off.  Gyrls follow nearby.  Dude follows me out...yells my name out cause he cant catch up to me.  Everyone turns around incl.  those girls.   They try to block..."umm I didn't get your card, Mr.--".  Him:  I'm sorry...have we met? Anyway, cui bono, I really enjoyed our conversation..make sure you give me a call....here's my home number." From my vantage point I can see their faces.  Mouths wide open.  Rolling of the eyes.  Nice.  I love it!    

Moral:  Don't be shady.  But don't be as nice as I was. 

*shaking my head*  you can't be serious.  Thats one of those things where you just have to be like "watch and learn; and, get in where you fit in" lol.  I'm not introducing anyone.  In fact, I'm telling people to pretend like they don't know me while I go for mine.  whoa!

anyway, seems like 7/10 of these stories involve some faulty laptop.  I wondering how we can get around this.  did you all have virus scans?  were you downloading so much music/porn that it screwed up the machine?  Or, is this just something thats inevitable with the testing programs they have you running, causing conflicts on the registry or something, because I've never had these sort of problems with cpus that weren't 10 years old.   
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Funia on June 01, 2007, 12:22:53 AM
Lemme add my own academic semi-horror story. 
1st semester: 

taking notes.  Outlines almost completed. Exams around the corner. Computer doesn't exactly shut down but it "blacks out".  Comp turns on but is black.  Can make out very little.  Freak out time.  Then...wait...everything is saved on traveldrive about 2 hours before the black out. 

*Whew*

moral of story:  (1)Buy and obsessively save everything to your travel drive.   (2)Don't freak out...you're smarter than u realize. 


Haterade horror story w/ happy ending:
So law school's competitive right?  It's just like high school sometimes, right?  Here's the scene.  Networking reception.  BigLaw.  From all over the country. I'm all over.  Taking business cards & giving my own out.  Females from my school come late.  They ask me to help them network since they are shy.  Alright, I introduce them to some folks.  Along the way, they see that folks were more interested in what I had to offer.  Basically, we're all talking to these ppl as a group and the attorney/judge keeps on focusing the convo onto me. I try to get them into the convo.  No dice.  Chicks are not happy at this point!  One spills a drink on me (purposely) and they all laugh.  Unbeknowst to them -  back up jacket nearby.  I leave.  Grab the jacket.  5 mins later I m back.  See chicks talking to guy- partner in a big time firm.  I can tell guy's not interested in whatever they're talking about.  So your gyrl, strolls up.  Mind you, dude is WATCHING me walk from across the room. Introduce myself, shake his hand.  Dominate the convo, this time purposely.  They try to interrupt.  No dice. We're vibing. So you'd think they'd quit right...nope.  Still w/ the haterade.  Place closes out...I'm still talking to him and they are just standing there listening to the convo.  I say my goodbyes to dude and start to walk off.  Gyrls follow nearby.  Dude follows me out...yells my name out cause he cant catch up to me.  Everyone turns around incl.  those girls.   They try to block..."umm I didn't get your card, Mr.--".  Him:  I'm sorry...have we met? Anyway, cui bono, I really enjoyed our conversation..make sure you give me a call....here's my home number." From my vantage point I can see their faces.  Mouths wide open.  Rolling of the eyes.  Nice.  I love it!   

Moral:  Don't be shady.  But don't be as nice as I was. 

*shaking my head*  you can't be serious.  Thats one of those things where you just have to be like "watch and learn; and, get in where you fit in" lol.  I'm not introducing anyone.  In fact, I'm telling people to pretend like they don't know me while I go for mine.  whoa!

anyway, seems like 7/10 of these stories involve some faulty laptop.  I wondering how we can get around this.  did you all have virus scans?  were you downloading so much music/porn that it screwed up the machine?  Or, is this just something thats inevitable with the testing programs they have you running, causing conflicts on the registry or something, because I've never had these sort of problems with cpus that weren't 10 years old.   

<---- Not a law student, yet. However, my plan is to have two laptops. One for all the fun stuff (the music/porn downloading...I kid) and the other strictly for school related things. I also plan to have an extra 80GB external drive. What can I say, I'm technologically paranoid.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Denny Crane on June 01, 2007, 12:23:40 AM
<---- Not a law student, yet. However, my plan is to have two laptops. One for all the fun stuff (the music/porn downloading...I kid) and the other strictly for school related things. I also plan to have an extra 80GB external drive. What can I say, I'm technologically paranoid.

And loaded?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Funia on June 01, 2007, 01:53:13 AM
<---- Not a law student, yet. However, my plan is to have two laptops. One for all the fun stuff (the music/porn downloading...I kid) and the other strictly for school related things. I also plan to have an extra 80GB external drive. What can I say, I'm technologically paranoid.

And loaded?

Far from but I have an outdated laptop now and will get an updated one for law school.   :D I'm trying to get my dad to give me his external drive since he doesn't use it. I'm a successful mooch and deal finder, that's all.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 01, 2007, 04:51:53 AM
Besides saving to your hard drive you should always make a copy to a jump/flash drive.  Negates the need to add/increase/buy more storage for your comp (which can be used for just software).
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on June 01, 2007, 05:58:40 AM
I'm gonna get a Thinkpad, which are supposed to be the best PC going and try to use it strictly for work.  I'm also gonna try and pick up a cheap desktop at some point for the fun stuff.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 01, 2007, 07:37:35 AM
I've only known of one person with Thinkpad problems.  I didn't have any this year.  Tons of folks had Dell and HP problems, however.  Easy solution: Email yourself your outline every night when you finish working on it.  If you have Gmail it all ends up in the same convo.  Then you always have your work saved, don't have to worry about losing a flash drive, and can access it from anywhere.

l2l
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 01, 2007, 07:53:20 AM
I'm gonna get a Thinkpad, which are supposed to be the best PC going and try to use it strictly for work.  I'm also gonna try and pick up a cheap desktop at some point for the fun stuff.

What kind of fun stuff do you do? I find that computers are fine as long as you're not one of those people who like to download a million different things that all run at the same time.  Then you're bound for trouble.  So I suppose two comps might be a good idea if you're one of those people.  But if you're only using Word, Outlook, Firefox, AIM, and OneNote, for the most part, you'll be fine.  Best thing to do is delete all of those useless preinstalled programs that come on most computers, then when you have everything set up, run msconfig and uncheck all of the immediately unnecessary programs to keep them all from starting up when you start Windows.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Denny Crane on June 01, 2007, 10:36:26 AM
<---- Not a law student, yet. However, my plan is to have two laptops. One for all the fun stuff (the music/porn downloading...I kid) and the other strictly for school related things. I also plan to have an extra 80GB external drive. What can I say, I'm technologically paranoid.

And loaded?

Far from but I have an outdated laptop now and will get an updated one for law school.   :D I'm trying to get my dad to give me his external drive since he doesn't use it. I'm a successful mooch and deal finder, that's all.

Personal qualities like this will serve you very well in love and life, my friend.  ;)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: BikePilot on June 01, 2007, 10:54:27 AM
On the computer thing, my plan is to have two laptops (my old one from undergrad and a new, but low end one strictly for note taking), back up both (more or less daily)to my RAID-1 desktop which will be semi-regularly backed up to an external HD and e-mail myself really important stuff. Run all your stuff on a network and use some sort of automatic backup utility to make life easy (there's even a free MS powertoy that works ok). All this is pretty cheap - the old laptop basically free (long-sunk cost), the desktop I built this spring for ~$400 and the new laptop will be <$1k.

Note that with the RAID-1 setup in the desktop one of my hard drives can completely fail and the computer will continue to work normally with no real indication of failure other than a pop-up window stating the current situtation. Stick in a replacement drive whenever is handy to regain redundancy.



Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on June 01, 2007, 12:25:13 PM
I'm gonna get a Thinkpad, which are supposed to be the best PC going and try to use it strictly for work.  I'm also gonna try and pick up a cheap desktop at some point for the fun stuff.

What kind of fun stuff do you do? I find that computers are fine as long as you're not one of those people who like to download a million different things that all run at the same time.  Then you're bound for trouble.  So I suppose two comps might be a good idea if you're one of those people.  But if you're only using Word, Outlook, Firefox, AIM, and OneNote, for the most part, you'll be fine.  Best thing to do is delete all of those useless preinstalled programs that come on most computers, then when you have everything set up, run msconfig and uncheck all of the immediately unnecessary programs to keep them all from starting up when you start Windows.

Music will prolly be the biggest source of problems, potentially.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 01, 2007, 12:30:29 PM
Oh I have music too.  Maybe if you're downloading viruses, that could be a problem.

Re: the above generally--y'all are some paranoid mofos.  I back up my notes every now and then.  But if I lose them, then I can just borrow somebody's.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 01, 2007, 03:15:36 PM
On the computer thing, my plan is to have two laptops (my old one from undergrad and a new, but low end one strictly for note taking), back up both (more or less daily)to my RAID-1 desktop which will be semi-regularly backed up to an external HD and e-mail myself really important stuff. Run all your stuff on a network and use some sort of automatic backup utility to make life easy (there's even a free MS powertoy that works ok). All this is pretty cheap - the old laptop basically free (long-sunk cost), the desktop I built this spring for ~$400 and the new laptop will be <$1k.




Why do I get an image of you turning off and on light switches at least eight times before you leave the room?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: hoyathon on June 01, 2007, 03:30:22 PM
Always saved my notes on a special email box and I have never had a single problem. Google is not going to fail anytime soon.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: DDBY on June 01, 2007, 05:35:10 PM
Always saved my notes on a special email box and I have never had a single problem. Google is not going to fail anytime soon.
That's what they used to say about enron...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Sparkz1920 on June 01, 2007, 06:23:33 PM
I have a few horror stories... but they have more to do with me being an idiot and less to do with things inherently horrifying about law school...

Lets see...I wouldnt call myself computer savvy when I started law school and the whole concept of backing things up was foreign to me. Well, my computer crashed the day before my first final...Con law. Lost all my outlines, notes, checklists etc. I debated simply begging classmates for notes and handwriting my exam but nooooooooo. I was hell-bent on getting that computer up and running again.

Long story short...I spent all day trying to get the friggin Geek Squad to fix my ish and they couldnt. I lost valuable study time and still ended up with no notes and had to handwrite. I had to handwrite ALL my exams that semester. Needless to say...bombed that con law exam. Did ok on the rest but it was unnecessarily stressful.

So you'd think I'd learned my lesson huh? of course not

I bought a brand new computer the next spring and right before finals...brand new computer crashes. Took another set of finals without notes and with the bluebooks. I guess new computers crash too. ummmm duh.

I'd like to think I am more prepared for the bar exam though...I took like 8 finals with no notes and did ok on most of them. Thats my silver lining and I'm sticking to it.  ;D

So then...

during another semester, I was completely unaware that this one class I'd signed up for was 3 credits and not 2. I planned on dropping the class but never quite got around to it. I only attended the class like 3 times all semester, never bought the book, didnt have the slightest idea what the class was about and towards the end of the semester I went to drop it (because you can drop all the way up until the final) and low and behold...its a 3 credit class and I couldn't drop it because then I would've been part time and we're not allowed to be part time.

So...I took the final exam blind, without a textbook, without notes, without a clue. Didnt answer half the questions. Got a B-  ;) Ahhh, law school curves can be joyful sometimes.


Moral of the story...dont be an idiot  ;D

So this curve can be a good thing?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Sparkz1920 on June 01, 2007, 06:30:12 PM
I've only known of one person with Thinkpad problems.  I didn't have any this year.  Tons of folks had Dell and HP problems, however.  Easy solution: Email yourself your outline every night when you finish working on it.  If you have Gmail it all ends up in the same convo.  Then you always have your work saved, don't have to worry about losing a flash drive, and can access it from anywhere.

l2l

Yup. As an undergrad whose flashdrive kept f*ckin up, i always sent my work to my e-mail. Will never get erased there
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: DDBY on June 01, 2007, 06:36:16 PM
I've only known of one person with Thinkpad problems.  I didn't have any this year.  Tons of folks had Dell and HP problems, however.  Easy solution: Email yourself your outline every night when you finish working on it.  If you have Gmail it all ends up in the same convo.  Then you always have your work saved, don't have to worry about losing a flash drive, and can access it from anywhere.

l2l

Yup. As an undergrad whose flashdrive kept f*ckin up, i always sent my work to my e-mail. Will never get erased there
You're not a James Bond Fan, are you?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 02, 2007, 06:48:26 AM
I have a few horror stories... but they have more to do with me being an idiot and less to do with things inherently horrifying about law school...

Lets see...I wouldnt call myself computer savvy when I started law school and the whole concept of backing things up was foreign to me. Well, my computer crashed the day before my first final...Con law. Lost all my outlines, notes, checklists etc. I debated simply begging classmates for notes and handwriting my exam but nooooooooo. I was hell-bent on getting that computer up and running again.

Long story short...I spent all day trying to get the friggin Geek Squad to fix my ish and they couldnt. I lost valuable study time and still ended up with no notes and had to handwrite. I had to handwrite ALL my exams that semester. Needless to say...bombed that con law exam. Did ok on the rest but it was unnecessarily stressful.

So you'd think I'd learned my lesson huh? of course not

I bought a brand new computer the next spring and right before finals...brand new computer crashes. Took another set of finals without notes and with the bluebooks. I guess new computers crash too. ummmm duh.

I'd like to think I am more prepared for the bar exam though...I took like 8 finals with no notes and did ok on most of them. Thats my silver lining and I'm sticking to it.  ;D

So then...

during another semester, I was completely unaware that this one class I'd signed up for was 3 credits and not 2. I planned on dropping the class but never quite got around to it. I only attended the class like 3 times all semester, never bought the book, didnt have the slightest idea what the class was about and towards the end of the semester I went to drop it (because you can drop all the way up until the final) and low and behold...its a 3 credit class and I couldn't drop it because then I would've been part time and we're not allowed to be part time.

So...I took the final exam blind, without a textbook, without notes, without a clue. Didnt answer half the questions. Got a B-  ;) Ahhh, law school curves can be joyful sometimes.


Moral of the story...dont be an idiot  ;D

So this curve can be a good thing?


The law school curve is both a blessing and a curse.  On the one hand, it is very difficult to get a C, on the other hand it is very difficult to get an A.  The latter scenario usually messes with the heads of those students who are used to getting A's, especially when they earn them.  In law school you could earn a 95% on an exam, but if the majority of the class also scores a 95%, 95% will become a B.  I know.  F*cked up right?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 02, 2007, 10:30:12 AM
This posting is like one of those things where you cant stand to watch but cant look away....



Not a law school story...

Last year of grad school and end of finals week.  Went to the testing center, requested the test number.  Took the test, felt like Avatar on that Crim Law exam.  One week later, all finals graded and in student mailboxes.  Go to my mailbox, got an A on the final.  Did my happy dance, only for 30 seconds.  Looked at the notes from the professor, almost died on the spot.  The note said...

"This is excellent work and by far one of the best exams I have graded in my tenure. Unfortunately, because you are not a student assigned to my class, your grade of "A" cannot be applied to your academic transcript."


Long story short, I took the wrong exam.  Same subject matter, different professors.  Three hours of my life gone to waste...


So what happened!?!??!?!  Don't leave us hanging!!!

My bad. Turns out it was not all my fault. I did request the right test number but in mentioning the name of the class at the same time, the test center clerk ended up giving me the wrong test. I went to my professor (who, by the way, is one of those black females who feels she has to show tough love to black female students and hold them to a higher standard) and explained to her the situation.  Of course the whole time she looked at me like I was the dumbest person she had ever seen but she did let me sign up to take the correct exam.  I ended up getting an A on the final and a whole lot of suggestions in red.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 02, 2007, 11:57:52 AM
Lemme add my own academic semi-horror story.  
1st semester:  

taking notes.  Outlines almost completed. Exams around the corner. Computer doesn't exactly shut down but it "blacks out".  Comp turns on but is black.  Can make out very little.  Freak out time.  Then...wait...everything is saved on traveldrive about 2 hours before the black out.  

*Whew*

moral of story:  (1)Buy and obsessively save everything to your travel drive.   (2)Don't freak out...you're smarter than u realize.  


Haterade horror story w/ happy ending:
So law school's competitive right?  It's just like high school sometimes, right?  Here's the scene.  Networking reception.  BigLaw.  From all over the country. I'm all over.  Taking business cards & giving my own out.  Females from my school come late.  They ask me to help them network since they are shy.  Alright, I introduce them to some folks.  Along the way, they see that folks were more interested in what I had to offer.  Basically, we're all talking to these ppl as a group and the attorney/judge keeps on focusing the convo onto me. I try to get them into the convo.  No dice.  Chicks are not happy at this point!  One spills a drink on me (purposely) and they all laugh.  Unbeknowst to them -  back up jacket nearby.  I leave.  Grab the jacket.  5 mins later I m back.  See chicks talking to guy- partner in a big time firm.  I can tell guy's not interested in whatever they're talking about.  So your gyrl, strolls up.  Mind you, dude is WATCHING me walk from across the room. Introduce myself, shake his hand.  Dominate the convo, this time purposely.  They try to interrupt.  No dice. We're vibing. So you'd think they'd quit right...nope.  Still w/ the haterade.  Place closes out...I'm still talking to him and they are just standing there listening to the convo.  I say my goodbyes to dude and start to walk off.  Gyrls follow nearby.  Dude follows me out...yells my name out cause he cant catch up to me.  Everyone turns around incl.  those girls.   They try to block..."umm I didn't get your card, Mr.--".  Him:  I'm sorry...have we met? Anyway, cui bono, I really enjoyed our conversation..make sure you give me a call....here's my home number." From my vantage point I can see their faces.  Mouths wide open.  Rolling of the eyes.  Nice.  I love it!    

Moral:  Don't be shady.  But don't be as nice as I was. 

*shaking my head*  you can't be serious.  Thats one of those things where you just have to be like "watch and learn; and, get in where you fit in" lol.  I'm not introducing anyone.  In fact, I'm telling people to pretend like they don't know me while I go for mine.  whoa!

anyway, seems like 7/10 of these stories involve some faulty laptop.  I wondering how we can get around this.  did you all have virus scans?  were you downloading so much music/porn that it screwed up the machine?  Or, is this just something thats inevitable with the testing programs they have you running, causing conflicts on the registry or something, because I've never had these sort of problems with cpus that weren't 10 years old.   


unfortunately I'm Quite serious about the haterade story.  Cracks me up cause folks don't realize that making someone else look good makes YOU look 100 times better! It shows confidence and folks are gonna be curious as to what you have to offer that you are so confident. Talking to dude afterwards  (BTW,  he's now my mentor-well, one of them  ;)), what most impressed him was that I wasn't catty. But guys really dont have to worry about that.   

Computers- well u need something that can withstand a lot of wear and tear and get a warranty.  The computer I have now, I can chuck it across the room "accidentally" , take into the shop and get a brand new one tomorrow.   BUT BUY A TRAVEL DRIVE- NOW!   
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Stand under my Umbrella ella ella, aye!! on June 02, 2007, 12:18:59 PM
Cracks me up cause folks don't realize that making someone else look good makes YOU look 100 times better!

thats actually true.  I just don't think I would have had the wherewithall to play host to my less able to navigate a networking secenario, friends.  Plus alot of my friends embarrass me 8).   Hopefully in law school I won't have that problem. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 02, 2007, 12:34:38 PM
Cracks me up cause folks don't realize that making someone else look good makes YOU look 100 times better!

thats actually true.  I just don't think I would have had the wherewithall to play host to my less able to navigate a networking secenario, friends.  Plus alot of my friends embarrass me 8).   Hopefully in law school I won't have that problem. 

I shouldn't say this but... well that's never stopped me b4  :D  ;).  Law school...umm..don't go there expecting to find friends...at least not with your fellow 1Ls.  And if you do...don't form friendships until after the second semester, once grades come out.  It's best just to be "cool" with everybody.  I'm cooler with upperclassmen & alum then anyone in my class.  Why?  Because they just don't get it-  they're too busy hiding books in the library & stealing Barbri CDs to realize that if they would just study during that time, they wouldn't have to hide anything.  It's really not that competitive or at least it doesnt have to be.  Second semester is when ppl's true personalities come out.  You'll see the study groups a'changing, & cliques a'forming.   :D  I like to see myself as a free agent.  Sure I'm closer to some folks in my class but I know wassup now.  I know who to share stuff with and who not to.  Put it this way-   the "1L supplement/outline project"  that I mentioned on the 1L  thread was originally  1L & 2L   (cause I feel like we're just as clueless as 0Ls/1Ls sometimes re: evidence) BLSA member thang-  but on second thought,  they're  (some) on their own.   :P  8)   I don't mean that to sound bitter like they did some ish to me cause it isn't like that  but there are those that aren't about sharing THEIR goodies but want your stuff. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Sparkz1920 on June 02, 2007, 01:34:46 PM
I have a few horror stories... but they have more to do with me being an idiot and less to do with things inherently horrifying about law school...

Lets see...I wouldnt call myself computer savvy when I started law school and the whole concept of backing things up was foreign to me. Well, my computer crashed the day before my first final...Con law. Lost all my outlines, notes, checklists etc. I debated simply begging classmates for notes and handwriting my exam but nooooooooo. I was hell-bent on getting that computer up and running again.

Long story short...I spent all day trying to get the friggin Geek Squad to fix my ish and they couldnt. I lost valuable study time and still ended up with no notes and had to handwrite. I had to handwrite ALL my exams that semester. Needless to say...bombed that con law exam. Did ok on the rest but it was unnecessarily stressful.

So you'd think I'd learned my lesson huh? of course not

I bought a brand new computer the next spring and right before finals...brand new computer crashes. Took another set of finals without notes and with the bluebooks. I guess new computers crash too. ummmm duh.

I'd like to think I am more prepared for the bar exam though...I took like 8 finals with no notes and did ok on most of them. Thats my silver lining and I'm sticking to it.  ;D

So then...

during another semester, I was completely unaware that this one class I'd signed up for was 3 credits and not 2. I planned on dropping the class but never quite got around to it. I only attended the class like 3 times all semester, never bought the book, didnt have the slightest idea what the class was about and towards the end of the semester I went to drop it (because you can drop all the way up until the final) and low and behold...its a 3 credit class and I couldn't drop it because then I would've been part time and we're not allowed to be part time.

So...I took the final exam blind, without a textbook, without notes, without a clue. Didnt answer half the questions. Got a B-  ;) Ahhh, law school curves can be joyful sometimes.


Moral of the story...dont be an idiot  ;D

So this curve can be a good thing?


The law school curve is both a blessing and a curse.  On the one hand, it is very difficult to get a C, on the other hand it is very difficult to get an A.  The latter scenario usually messes with the heads of those students who are used to getting A's, especially when they earn them.  In law school you could earn a 95% on an exam, but if the majority of the class also scores a 95%, 95% will become a B.  I know.  F*cked up right?

yes, it is. So basically, the A's would go to the few that scored above a 95. Wow. And those they may have gotten in the 80 and above range could end up being C's. And to hell with the rest of the grades below that because you're just shyt out of luck
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: dat_raw_n_tellect on June 02, 2007, 08:01:20 PM
Wow!

I am not eveeeeeen going to lie...I sholl iz scared! :D  But at least by hearing some stories/experiences we can know what to brace ourselves for!  Thanks for sharing peeps!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: FrankWhite on June 04, 2007, 09:12:52 AM
Cracks me up cause folks don't realize that making someone else look good makes YOU look 100 times better!

thats actually true.  I just don't think I would have had the wherewithall to play host to my less able to navigate a networking secenario, friends.  Plus alot of my friends embarrass me 8).   Hopefully in law school I won't have that problem. 

I shouldn't say this but... well that's never stopped me b4  :D  ;).  Law school...umm..don't go there expecting to find friends...at least not with your fellow 1Ls.  And if you do...don't form friendships until after the second semester, once grades come out.  It's best just to be "cool" with everybody.  I'm cooler with upperclassmen & alum then anyone in my class.  Why?  Because they just don't get it-  they're too busy hiding books in the library & stealing Barbri CDs to realize that if they would just study during that time, they wouldn't have to hide anything.  It's really not that competitive or at least it doesnt have to be.  Second semester is when ppl's true personalities come out.  You'll see the study groups a'changing, & cliques a'forming.   :D  I like to see myself as a free agent.  Sure I'm closer to some folks in my class but I know wassup now.  I know who to share stuff with and who not to.  Put it this way-   the "1L supplement/outline project"  that I mentioned on the 1L  thread was originally  1L & 2L   (cause I feel like we're just as clueless as 0Ls/1Ls sometimes re: evidence) BLSA member thang-  but on second thought,  they're  (some) on their own.   :P  8)   I don't mean that to sound bitter like they did some ish to me cause it isn't like that  but there are those that aren't about sharing THEIR goodies but want your stuff. 

Wow is it really like that? I have this idea of going into law school and really making "friends" with my fellow 1Ls. And not just with black students. Can you elaborate a lil more?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 04, 2007, 09:28:34 AM
Cracks me up cause folks don't realize that making someone else look good makes YOU look 100 times better!

thats actually true.  I just don't think I would have had the wherewithall to play host to my less able to navigate a networking secenario, friends.  Plus alot of my friends embarrass me 8).   Hopefully in law school I won't have that problem. 

I shouldn't say this but... well that's never stopped me b4  :D  ;).  Law school...umm..don't go there expecting to find friends...at least not with your fellow 1Ls.  And if you do...don't form friendships until after the second semester, once grades come out.  It's best just to be "cool" with everybody.  I'm cooler with upperclassmen & alum then anyone in my class.  Why?  Because they just don't get it-  they're too busy hiding books in the library & stealing Barbri CDs to realize that if they would just study during that time, they wouldn't have to hide anything.  It's really not that competitive or at least it doesnt have to be.  Second semester is when ppl's true personalities come out.  You'll see the study groups a'changing, & cliques a'forming.   :D  I like to see myself as a free agent.  Sure I'm closer to some folks in my class but I know wassup now.  I know who to share stuff with and who not to.  Put it this way-   the "1L supplement/outline project"  that I mentioned on the 1L  thread was originally  1L & 2L   (cause I feel like we're just as clueless as 0Ls/1Ls sometimes re: evidence) BLSA member thang-  but on second thought,  they're  (some) on their own.   :P  8)   I don't mean that to sound bitter like they did some ish to me cause it isn't like that  but there are those that aren't about sharing THEIR goodies but want your stuff. 

Wow is it really like that? I have this idea of going into law school and really making "friends" with my fellow 1Ls. And not just with black students. Can you elaborate a lil more?

I'm assuming you're a guy from the A phi A in your avatar.   And men aren't like that.  So you don't have to worry.  Women are catty period!  Plus people like that are few and far between.  Most ppl are cool.  But you have some of those that are just too much.  Unfortunately the females that I'm talking about are black.  The thing that they don't realize is that their shadyness makes me look good- better than I normally would.  The guy was impressed that I pretty much blew them out of the water despite their obvious attempts to make me look bad. BE "COOL" WITH YOUR FELLOW 1Ls.  Do not form friendships until after the first semester grades come out.  Because after that is when you see ppl's true natures.     DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHARE ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION (outlines, supplements, and other goodies) WITH YOUR FELLOW 1Ls.  Even if they are in your study group.  Some things should just be yours and the first year or so it's okat to be a lil' selfish. They are your competition after all.  Me?  People pretty much know that I'm cool and if you ask I'll find some way to help u.  I helped my fellow 1Ls out including the 3 ladies (term used rather loosely) that I referred to.  Did I ever get a lot of help from them?  Nope.   Those ppl will sit on there info and not share it with you while taking yours.  Form friendships w/ 2Ls and 3Ls-  their info is most likely to be forthcoming and (moreso) correct.    It would kinda suck if you helped someone and they ended up doing significantly better than you. Among the 1L members of my chapter, ppl have a great deal of my info.  Not all but a lot.  Find something unique and make it your edge.  BUT KEEP YOUR EDGE "YOUR" EDGE.  Sharing is cool as long as it just that.  Give and take.     
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on June 04, 2007, 09:32:59 AM
I'm assuming you're a guy from the A phi A in your avatar.   And men aren't like that.  So you don't have to worry.  Women are catty period!  Plus people like that are few and far between.  Most ppl are cool.  But you have some of those that are just too much.  Unfortunately the females that I'm talking about are black.  The thing that they don't realize is that their shadyness makes me look good- better than I normally would.  The guy was impressed that I pretty much blew them out of the water despite their obvious attempts to make me look bad. BE "COOL" WITH YOUR FELLOW 1Ls.  Do not form friendships until after the first semester grades come out.  Because after that is when you see ppl's true natures.     DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHARE ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION (outlines, supplements, and other goodies) WITH YOUR FELLOW 1Ls.  Even if they are in your study group.  Some things should just be yours and the first year or so it's okat to be a lil' selfish. They are your competition after all.  Me?  People pretty much know that I'm cool and if you ask I'll find some way to help u.  I helped my fellow 1Ls out including the 3 ladies (term used rather loosely) that I referred to.  Did I ever get a lot of help from them?  Nope.   Those ppl will sit on there info and not share it with you while taking yours.  Form friendships w/ 2Ls and 3Ls-  their info is most likely to be forthcoming and (moreso) correct.    It would kinda suck if you helped someone and they ended up doing significantly better than you. Among the 1L members of my chapter, ppl have a great deal of my info.  Not all but a lot.  Find something unique and make it your edge.  BUT KEEP YOUR EDGE "YOUR" EDGE.  Sharing is cool as long as it just that.  Give and take.     

Woah!  I don't know who stabbed you in the back, but it's a huuuuuuge overstatement to say women are catty period.  Some people are shady, some aren't.  It has nothing to do with gender.  I have seen men trying to showboat and one-up each other like fools.  I have seen women try to outdo each other as well.  If your attitude is that all women are catty then maybe you shouldn't make friends.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 04, 2007, 09:36:15 AM

I feel u.  IN PART.  And it was not exactly a statement against all women.  But u have to admit-  we women find some really crazy ways to attack each other.  Men showboat too.  But what happened to me was typically a female thing to do.   That's all.  :) Wasn;'t an attack on you.  So try not to take it so personally.
 BTW, "maybe you shouldn't make friends" was an unnecessary statement. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on June 04, 2007, 09:39:44 AM
I feel u.  And it was not exactly a statement against all women.  But u have to admit-  we women find some really crazy ways to attack each other.  Men showboat too.  But what happened to me was typically a female thing to do.   That's all.

I still disagree.  Like I said, I've seen men showboating in both networking situations and (especially?) when hitting on women.  Male or female, it aint pretty!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 04, 2007, 09:43:12 AM
I feel u.  And it was not exactly a statement against all women.  But u have to admit-  we women find some really crazy ways to attack each other.  Men showboat too.  But what happened to me was typically a female thing to do.   That's all.

I still disagree.  Like I said, I've seen men showboating in both networking situations and (especially?) when hitting on women.  Male or female, it aint pretty!

That's fine.  You're right it's not pretty period.  No matter who does it.  But u are missing the overall point of my statements.  What THEY did was catty- and "They" were women.  And as 0Ls ---> 1Ls,  I'd like for folks to be more careful than I was so they don't get burned like I did.  That's the main idea-  nothing to do with the cattiness or non cattiness of women.  :)   

And again, "...maybe u shouldn't make friends"  was unnecessary.  Keep in mind I'm writing to help the 0Ls out.   EDIT:  BTW, that statement you made kinda goes to what I'm saying.     It was completely unnecessary and besides the point. And wasn't made to add to the discussion but to detract from it.  Am a bit offended so that's all I will say on that matter. 

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 04, 2007, 10:34:17 AM
Anyhoo, back to the discussion @ hand:

Cracks me up cause folks don't realize that making someone else look good makes YOU look 100 times better!

thats actually true.  I just don't think I would have had the wherewithall to play host to my less able to navigate a networking secenario, friends.  Plus alot of my friends embarrass me 8).   Hopefully in law school I won't have that problem. 

I shouldn't say this but... well that's never stopped me b4  :D  ;).  Law school...umm..don't go there expecting to find friends...at least not with your fellow 1Ls.  And if you do...don't form friendships until after the second semester, once grades come out.  It's best just to be "cool" with everybody.  I'm cooler with upperclassmen & alum then anyone in my class.  Why?  Because they just don't get it-  they're too busy hiding books in the library & stealing Barbri CDs to realize that if they would just study during that time, they wouldn't have to hide anything.  It's really not that competitive or at least it doesnt have to be.  Second semester is when ppl's true personalities come out.  You'll see the study groups a'changing, & cliques a'forming.   :D  I like to see myself as a free agent.  Sure I'm closer to some folks in my class but I know wassup now.  I know who to share stuff with and who not to.  Put it this way-   the "1L supplement/outline project"  that I mentioned on the 1L  thread was originally  1L & 2L   (cause I feel like we're just as clueless as 0Ls/1Ls sometimes re: evidence) BLSA member thang-  but on second thought,  they're  (some) on their own.   :P  8)   I don't mean that to sound bitter like they did some ish to me cause it isn't like that  but there are those that aren't about sharing THEIR goodies but want your stuff. 

Wow is it really like that? I have this idea of going into law school and really making "friends" with my fellow 1Ls. And not just with black students. Can you elaborate a lil more?

  I'm assuming you're a guy from the A phi A in your avatar.   And men aren't like that.  So you don't have to worry.  Women are catty period!  Plus people like that are few and far between.  Most ppl are cool.  But you have some of those that are just too much.  Unfortunately the females that I'm talking about are black.  The thing that they don't realize is that their shadyness makes me look good- better than I normally would.  The guy was impressed that I pretty much blew them out of the water despite their obvious attempts to make me look bad. BE "COOL" WITH YOUR FELLOW 1Ls.  Do not form friendships until after the first semester grades come out.  Because after that is when you see ppl's true natures.     DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHARE ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION (outlines, supplements, and other goodies) WITH YOUR FELLOW 1Ls.  Even if they are in your study group.  Some things should just be yours and the first year or so it's okay to be a lil' selfish. They are your competition after all.  Me?  People pretty much know that I'm cool and if you ask I'll find some way to help u.  I helped my fellow 1Ls out including the 3 ladies (term used rather loosely) that I referred to.  Did I ever get a lot of help from them?  Nope.   Those ppl will sit on their info and not share it with you while taking yours.  Form friendships w/ 2Ls and 3Ls-  their info is most likely to be forthcoming and (moreso) correct.    It would kinda suck if you helped someone and they ended up doing significantly better than you. Among the 1L members of my chapter, ppl have a great deal of my info.  Not all but a lot.  Find something unique and make it your edge.  BUT KEEP YOUR EDGE "YOUR" EDGE.  Sharing is cool as long as it just that.  Give and take.     
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: FrankWhite on June 04, 2007, 11:47:16 AM
Cracks me up cause folks don't realize that making someone else look good makes YOU look 100 times better!

thats actually true.  I just don't think I would have had the wherewithall to play host to my less able to navigate a networking secenario, friends.  Plus alot of my friends embarrass me 8).   Hopefully in law school I won't have that problem. 

I shouldn't say this but... well that's never stopped me b4  :D  ;).  Law school...umm..don't go there expecting to find friends...at least not with your fellow 1Ls.  And if you do...don't form friendships until after the second semester, once grades come out.  It's best just to be "cool" with everybody.  I'm cooler with upperclassmen & alum then anyone in my class.  Why?  Because they just don't get it-  they're too busy hiding books in the library & stealing Barbri CDs to realize that if they would just study during that time, they wouldn't have to hide anything.  It's really not that competitive or at least it doesnt have to be.  Second semester is when ppl's true personalities come out.  You'll see the study groups a'changing, & cliques a'forming.   :D  I like to see myself as a free agent.  Sure I'm closer to some folks in my class but I know wassup now.  I know who to share stuff with and who not to.  Put it this way-   the "1L supplement/outline project"  that I mentioned on the 1L  thread was originally  1L & 2L   (cause I feel like we're just as clueless as 0Ls/1Ls sometimes re: evidence) BLSA member thang-  but on second thought,  they're  (some) on their own.   :P  8)   I don't mean that to sound bitter like they did some ish to me cause it isn't like that  but there are those that aren't about sharing THEIR goodies but want your stuff. 

Wow is it really like that? I have this idea of going into law school and really making "friends" with my fellow 1Ls. And not just with black students. Can you elaborate a lil more?

I'm assuming you're a guy from the A phi A in your avatar.   And men aren't like that.  So you don't have to worry.  Women are catty period!  Plus people like that are few and far between.  Most ppl are cool.  But you have some of those that are just too much.  Unfortunately the females that I'm talking about are black.  The thing that they don't realize is that their shadyness makes me look good- better than I normally would.  The guy was impressed that I pretty much blew them out of the water despite their obvious attempts to make me look bad. BE "COOL" WITH YOUR FELLOW 1Ls.  Do not form friendships until after the first semester grades come out.  Because after that is when you see ppl's true natures.     DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHARE ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION (outlines, supplements, and other goodies) WITH YOUR FELLOW 1Ls.  Even if they are in your study group.  Some things should just be yours and the first year or so it's okat to be a lil' selfish. They are your competition after all.  Me?  People pretty much know that I'm cool and if you ask I'll find some way to help u.  I helped my fellow 1Ls out including the 3 ladies (term used rather loosely) that I referred to.  Did I ever get a lot of help from them?  Nope.   Those ppl will sit on there info and not share it with you while taking yours.  Form friendships w/ 2Ls and 3Ls-  their info is most likely to be forthcoming and (moreso) correct.    It would kinda suck if you helped someone and they ended up doing significantly better than you. Among the 1L members of my chapter, ppl have a great deal of my info.  Not all but a lot.  Find something unique and make it your edge.  BUT KEEP YOUR EDGE "YOUR" EDGE.  Sharing is cool as long as it just that.  Give and take.     

Thanks for your response, I sort of see what your saying now. By nature I observe people really hard. Its hard for me to completely open up to people like that anyway so that seems correct. Im the type of person with many associates but few people I would call friends. The other good thing is I already made friends with some of the 2Ls at admitted students weekend so hopefully this will work out to my advantage.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 04, 2007, 12:03:19 PM
I think this stuff varies a lot school by school.  I would be wary of saying carte blanche that people shouldn't trust their colleagues or look for friends in their class.  Our 1Ls did form pretty tight and genuine relationships and it's definitely part of the school culture to look out for one another - I had people in my section (read: people with whom I was directly competing for grades) send me their outlines and notes and even supplements when a family crisis forced me to reschedule my 1st semester finals.  But I have friends at other schools who report very different experiences, so I'm not saying that it's like that everywhere.   
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 04, 2007, 12:09:45 PM
I think this stuff varies a lot school by school.  I would be wary of saying carte blanche that people shouldn't trust their colleagues or look for friends in their class.  Our 1Ls did form pretty tight and genuine relationships and it's definitely part of the school culture to look out for one another - I had people in my section (read: people with whom I was directly competing for grades) send me their outlines and notes and even supplements when a family crisis forced me to reschedule my 1st semester finals.  But I have friends at other schools who report very different experiences, so I'm not saying that it's like that everywhere.   


1Ls in my section shared outlines, practice exam answers, and other stuff rather freely. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: AspenLizzy on June 04, 2007, 03:56:34 PM
This is too juicy...
TAG!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on June 04, 2007, 04:27:01 PM
Ya same here on making friends in 1L. It was the friends I made in 1L that got me through that year and 2L! Law school is rough - you need support. But I can understand that some schools have a different environment and your support can't be your classmates.

1Ls in my section shared outlines, practice exam answers, and other stuff rather freely. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 04, 2007, 06:41:42 PM
I feel u.  And it was not exactly a statement against all women.  But u have to admit-  we women find some really crazy ways to attack each other.  Men showboat too.  But what happened to me was typically a female thing to do.   That's all.

I still disagree.  Like I said, I've seen men showboating in both networking situations and (especially?) when hitting on women.  Male or female, it aint pretty!

That's fine.  You're right it's not pretty period.  No matter who does it.  But u are missing the overall point of my statements.  What THEY did was catty- and "They" were women.  And as 0Ls ---> 1Ls,  I'd like for folks to be more careful than I was so they don't get burned like I did.  That's the main idea-  nothing to do with the cattiness or non cattiness of women.  :)   

And again, "...maybe u shouldn't make friends"  was unnecessary.  Keep in mind I'm writing to help the 0Ls out.   EDIT:  BTW, that statement you made kinda goes to what I'm saying.     It was completely unnecessary and besides the point. And wasn't made to add to the discussion but to detract from it.  Am a bit offended so that's all I will say on that matter. 



I am with cui bono on this one.  Women are extremely catty and hate that.  I get along better with men than I do women.  I have certain rules in life and working for a woman is not one of them!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 05, 2007, 06:20:04 AM
I think this stuff varies a lot school by school.  I would be wary of saying carte blanche that people shouldn't trust their colleagues or look for friends in their class.  Our 1Ls did form pretty tight and genuine relationships and it's definitely part of the school culture to look out for one another - I had people in my section (read: people with whom I was directly competing for grades) send me their outlines and notes and even supplements when a family crisis forced me to reschedule my 1st semester finals.  But I have friends at other schools who report very different experiences, so I'm not saying that it's like that everywhere.   

In my school, I was that person who sent outlines, notes, and supplements.  I'm usually very giving. The difference btw me and most is that I OFFER things to ppl.  Now, I still help a few folks out here and there but those ppl that abused it get a nod and a smile from me and I keep it moving.  No love lost.  But I'm not dumb enuf to help them out again.  Sometimes they ask me for help still (yep even those girls I was referring to still want help from me & it's the same thing..."cui bono help me find contacts".  So u can pour something all over me again when they're not interested in your shady butt, I think not.  LOL).  I just kinda avoid it.  Like I said those folks are few and far between. Most ppl were cool - 90%  of folks were cool.  And Lacoste is right.  It's easier if u have folks that you can trust.  But I personally had more trust in the 2Ls, 3Ls, and alum than someone I'm in competition with. One 1L said to me "well cui bono u have a position in BLSA so u have to help me (my position had nothing to do w/ helping anyone...lol)"  Another person asked to exchange outlines-  like a dummy I did.  That person's outline was incomplete!  So from now on, my policy is not to expect too much from ppl and if I am expecting some help from someone, well "show me yours and then I'll show you mine" (plus have a backup)!  Also, I think it's more competitive the lower-ranked school that you go to.  "Wait a minute, cui bono, u lost me there...don't you mean higher ranked school?"  Nope.  Lower ranked schools are worried about their rankings and bar passage rates. Many schools have a point system and many 1Ls will fail out.   They have to fail/barely pass a certain number because they admitted too many.  They have a lower curve.   

I feel u.  And it was not exactly a statement against all women.  But u have to admit-  we women find some really crazy ways to attack each other.  Men showboat too.  But what happened to me was typically a female thing to do.   That's all.

I still disagree.  Like I said, I've seen men showboating in both networking situations and (especially?) when hitting on women.  Male or female, it aint pretty!

That's fine.  You're right it's not pretty period.  No matter who does it.  But u are missing the overall point of my statements.  What THEY did was catty- and "They" were women.  And as 0Ls ---> 1Ls,  I'd like for folks to be more careful than I was so they don't get burned like I did.  That's the main idea-  nothing to do with the cattiness or non cattiness of women.  :)   

And again, "...maybe u shouldn't make friends"  was unnecessary.  Keep in mind I'm writing to help the 0Ls out.   EDIT:  BTW, that statement you made kinda goes to what I'm saying.     It was completely unnecessary and besides the point. And wasn't made to add to the discussion but to detract from it.  Am a bit offended so that's all I will say on that matter. 



I am with cui bono on this one.  Women are extremely catty and hate that.  I get along better with men than I do women.  I have certain rules in life and working for a woman is not one of them!

Not to harp on this because cahow's comments were besides the point of what I was saying.  But by definition, I do not think that men can be "catty".  Catty-feline- feminine.  Females and males can be rude.  Females are sometimes catty.  Not all.  And not all the time.  But some & sometimes.  The shady chicks that did what they did to me--> catty. And not just to me- whoever their compeition is @ the time.  But unnecessarily so.  I really do believe in making others look good and you end up looking better.  It's worked for me!   
    Yeah I've found that men are easier to get along with.  I never had a guy in LS do anything shady to me. Well, I do have another horror story when it comes to that:  Guy : "Cui bono, You put yourself in the position of leadership-  you're always doing something-, so you have to give me everything that you have...you have to help me."  Homie did not leave me alone first semester until I literally cried.  Every time he saw me his hand was out. Anything that I was looking at-  supplement, LOL even my study schedule, etc.   he wanted a copy of EVERYTHING.  Mind you, I have no prob sharing.  I think esp. minority students should be sticking together.  If we did, we would be quite the team.  But he would ask me for the book IN MY HAND.  And would not let up.  would show up right behind me- out of nowhere- "yo, lemme see that".  Week before round 1 of finals, I broke down  :'(.  He was everywhere.  If I wasn't on campus or any of the nearby campuses he'd call my cell.  I couldn't study...I thought I was going to fail!  After the tearfeast, he finally left me alone.     

Again, MOST PEOPLE (male and female) are cool.  Don't let me scare you 0Ls too much.  But just be wary.     
   
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Money, baby on June 05, 2007, 07:27:32 AM
Tag - adding to the car wreck analogy, these horror stories from law school are like scary movies. Maybe some of us just like to be scared...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Sparkz1920 on June 05, 2007, 06:22:39 PM
I think this stuff varies a lot school by school.  I would be wary of saying carte blanche that people shouldn't trust their colleagues or look for friends in their class.  Our 1Ls did form pretty tight and genuine relationships and it's definitely part of the school culture to look out for one another - I had people in my section (read: people with whom I was directly competing for grades) send me their outlines and notes and even supplements when a family crisis forced me to reschedule my 1st semester finals.  But I have friends at other schools who report very different experiences, so I'm not saying that it's like that everywhere.   

In my school, I was that person who sent outlines, notes, and supplements.  I'm usually very giving. The difference btw me and most is that I OFFER things to ppl.  Now, I still help a few folks out here and there but those ppl that abused it get a nod and a smile from me and I keep it moving.  No love lost.  But I'm not dumb enuf to help them out again.  Sometimes they ask me for help still (yep even those girls I was referring to still want help from me & it's the same thing..."cui bono help me find contacts".  So u can pour something all over me again when they're not interested in your shady butt, I think not.  LOL).  I just kinda avoid it.  Like I said those folks are few and far between. Most ppl were cool - 90%  of folks were cool.  And Lacoste is right.  It's easier if u have folks that you can trust.  But I personally had more trust in the 2Ls, 3Ls, and alum than someone I'm in competition with. One 1L said to me "well cui bono u have a position in BLSA so u have to help me (my position had nothing to do w/ helping anyone...lol)"  Another person asked to exchange outlines-  like a dummy I did.  That person's outline was incomplete!  So from now on, my policy is not to expect too much from ppl and if I am expecting some help from someone, well "show me yours and then I'll show you mine" (plus have a backup)!  Also, I think it's more competitive the lower-ranked school that you go to.  "Wait a minute, cui bono, u lost me there...don't you mean higher ranked school?"  Nope.  Lower ranked schools are worried about their rankings and bar passage rates. Many schools have a point system and many 1Ls will fail out.   They have to fail/barely pass a certain number because they admitted too many.  They have a lower curve.   

I feel u.  And it was not exactly a statement against all women.  But u have to admit-  we women find some really crazy ways to attack each other.  Men showboat too.  But what happened to me was typically a female thing to do.   That's all.

I still disagree.  Like I said, I've seen men showboating in both networking situations and (especially?) when hitting on women.  Male or female, it aint pretty!

That's fine.  You're right it's not pretty period.  No matter who does it.  But u are missing the overall point of my statements.  What THEY did was catty- and "They" were women.  And as 0Ls ---> 1Ls,  I'd like for folks to be more careful than I was so they don't get burned like I did.  That's the main idea-  nothing to do with the cattiness or non cattiness of women.  :)   

And again, "...maybe u shouldn't make friends"  was unnecessary.  Keep in mind I'm writing to help the 0Ls out.   EDIT:  BTW, that statement you made kinda goes to what I'm saying.     It was completely unnecessary and besides the point. And wasn't made to add to the discussion but to detract from it.  Am a bit offended so that's all I will say on that matter. 



I am with cui bono on this one.  Women are extremely catty and hate that.  I get along better with men than I do women.  I have certain rules in life and working for a woman is not one of them!

Not to harp on this because cahow's comments were besides the point of what I was saying.  But by definition, I do not think that men can be "catty".  Catty-feline- feminine.  Females and males can be rude.  Females are sometimes catty.  Not all.  And not all the time.  But some & sometimes.  The shady chicks that did what they did to me--> catty. And not just to me- whoever their compeition is @ the time.  But unnecessarily so.  I really do believe in making others look good and you end up looking better.  It's worked for me!   
    Yeah I've found that men are easier to get along with.  I never had a guy in LS do anything shady to me. Well, I do have another horror story when it comes to that:  Guy : "Cui bono, You put yourself in the position of leadership-  you're always doing something-, so you have to give me everything that you have...you have to help me."  Homie did not leave me alone first semester until I literally cried.  Every time he saw me his hand was out. Anything that I was looking at-  supplement, LOL even my study schedule, etc.   he wanted a copy of EVERYTHING.  Mind you, I have no prob sharing.  I think esp. minority students should be sticking together.  If we did, we would be quite the team.  But he would ask me for the book IN MY HAND.  And would not let up.  would show up right behind me- out of nowhere- "yo, lemme see that".  Week before round 1 of finals, I broke down  :'(.  He was everywhere.  If I wasn't on campus or any of the nearby campuses he'd call my cell.  I couldn't study...I thought I was going to fail!  After the tearfeast, he finally left me alone.     

Again, MOST PEOPLE (male and female) are cool.  Don't let me scare you 0Ls too much.  But just be wary.     
   


Wait, did u not have a choice whether to give him your study materials or not? Soundz like u were online or something

I would have str8 up told him no, and if he couldnt handle that, maybe my fist meeting his face would have
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 05, 2007, 06:30:24 PM
"In my first year of law school, everybody loved everybody else. We were studying the law, and the law was a noble thing. By my third year, you were lucky if you weren't murdered in your sleep. People stole exams, hid research from the library and lied to the professors. Such is the nature of the profession."

- John Grisham, "The Rainmaker" (1997)



Sage words...sage words.   LOL  :P
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 06, 2007, 04:03:50 AM
I would have str8 up told him no, and if he couldnt handle that, maybe my fist meeting his face would have


I absolutely had a choice and I don't mean to imply that I didn't.  He just asked for things.  All the time.  That old saying...'give em an inch and they'll take a mile' really applies to him.  He was a moocher.  The point is not in my giving him things or not giving him things but the fact that he was ALWAYS asking.  ALWAYS AROUND.  MAJOR STALKAGE.  That I did not have a choice in.  Believe me, I was trying to avoid him like the plague!  Ducking behind things-  I was a hot mess!
   Just be aware and beware of that type of person.  People who would say anthing and everything to try to get your stuff-  outlines and other materials.  His major thing was guilt.  And even tho my title didn't reflect anything with education-  I did run the academic department of local BLSA.  Was basically given free reign to do whatever I wished with it.  He used that to his advantage.   


"In my first year of law school, everybody loved everybody else. We were studying the law, and the law was a noble thing. By my third year, you were lucky if you weren't murdered in your sleep. People stole exams, hid research from the library and lied to the professors. Such is the nature of the profession."

- John Grisham, "The Rainmaker" (1997)
Sage words...sage words.   LOL  :P


Tru dat.  BTW, New Pic, new hair.  Nice   :)  I'm liking the curly hair. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Thistle on June 06, 2007, 05:55:25 AM
Man, me and my computer got some serious beef. This sucker decided to CRASH on me in the middle of the 2nd Semester. So that meant ALL OF MY NOTES/OUTLINES/EVERYTHING was erased, as if they never existed.

Can you imagine 2 months worth of notes and stuff from 5 different classes being gone?

Fortunately I had a classmate who had Onenote and we're cool so she just let me have her notes from the first 2 months. That way I could still reference them when I was making my outline.


Moral of the Story: Become cool with someone who takes good notes in case your computer decides to kill itself.



i think the moral of these stories is to backup your *&^% on a regular basis.

oh, and maybe i just got lucky but during my meeting with my civ pro professor he looks owlishly at my exam and says that he thinks he screwed me out of points on question 2 so he's going to bump my grade up a step.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Sparkz1920 on June 06, 2007, 11:37:05 AM
"In my first year of law school, everybody loved everybody else. We were studying the law, and the law was a noble thing. By my third year, you were lucky if you weren't murdered in your sleep. People stole exams, hid research from the library and lied to the professors. Such is the nature of the profession."

- John Grisham, "The Rainmaker" (1997)



Sage words...sage words.   LOL  :P


Wow, and i thought after the first year of Law School, things eased up a nit
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 06, 2007, 12:10:57 PM
"In my first year of law school, everybody loved everybody else. We were studying the law, and the law was a noble thing. By my third year, you were lucky if you weren't murdered in your sleep. People stole exams, hid research from the library and lied to the professors. Such is the nature of the profession."

- John Grisham, "The Rainmaker" (1997)



Sage words...sage words.   LOL  :P


Wow, and i thought after the first year of Law School, things eased up a nit

things do ease up but not the way u think.  It's easier in the sense that you know what to do now.  The first year is you trying something new in hopes it would help. Trial and error. Like now I think I know how to do well-  I found my "secret strategy". But the material is different.

Plus whereas the first few weeks of the first semester I was struggling just to get thru the cases.  Now, I zoom thru 'em.  Get what I need and move on.         
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 06, 2007, 12:37:49 PM
"In my first year of law school, everybody loved everybody else. We were studying the law, and the law was a noble thing. By my third year, you were lucky if you weren't murdered in your sleep. People stole exams, hid research from the library and lied to the professors. Such is the nature of the profession."

- John Grisham, "The Rainmaker" (1997)



Sage words...sage words.   LOL  :P


Wow, and i thought after the first year of Law School, things eased up a nit

things do ease up but not the way u think.  It's easier in the sense that you know what to do now.  The first year is you trying something new in hopes it would help. Trial and error. Like now I think I know how to do well-  I found my "secret strategy". But the material is different.

Plus whereas the first few weeks of the first semester I was struggling just to get thru the cases.  Now, I zoom thru 'em.  Get what I need and move on.         

I think you should share your secret strategy with those who are not attending your school...  ;D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on June 06, 2007, 01:01:59 PM
"In my first year of law school, everybody loved everybody else. We were studying the law, and the law was a noble thing. By my third year, you were lucky if you weren't murdered in your sleep. People stole exams, hid research from the library and lied to the professors. Such is the nature of the profession."

- John Grisham, "The Rainmaker" (1997)



Sage words...sage words.   LOL  :P


Wow, and i thought after the first year of Law School, things eased up a nit

things do ease up but not the way u think.  It's easier in the sense that you know what to do now.  The first year is you trying something new in hopes it would help. Trial and error. Like now I think I know how to do well-  I found my "secret strategy". But the material is different.

Plus whereas the first few weeks of the first semester I was struggling just to get thru the cases.  Now, I zoom thru 'em.  Get what I need and move on.         

I think you should share your secret strategy with those who are not attending your school...  ;D

There usually isn't a secret, since different things work for different people.  From what I've heard, even the most prepared have to struggle through some trial and error.  Also, familiarity is a huge factor, which can only be learned by doing.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 06, 2007, 02:08:32 PM
Actually cahow is right.  There is some degree of trial and error.  You have to find what works for you.  The thing is some ppl find that route quicker than others.  Me? Took me forever to find it.  One thing that worked for me was revising & editing  someone else's outline to suit my needs. It's like studying with someone else without that person having to be there. Saves time because you know what to look for.  You kinda have to be like an "investigator".  Your thinking is like: 'okay so person X thinks (or rather person X has a professor that thought) that there are 4 elements of adverse possession...my book and my professor** thinks there are 5... okay, that person's professor prolly thought the last element was dispositive but my professor is a stickler for it so lemme add one more'    People on BLSD have really supported me in that by sending me outlines! I would say who but I dont wanna volunteer their services. I have to do my outlines from day one whereas other ppl find it easier to start a few weeks in. Others think outlining is stupid.  I personally think that not outlining is straight stupid. I also need to state my entire outline out loud -  to someone else or just talking to myself in the mirror, doesnt matter.  But just looking at my outline and studying it isn't enuf.   I need to start from the first page to the last page. Just straight reciting the outline (not verbatim). It "gels" it for me-  I begin to see the "whole" rather than as chapters or parts.    I also need to reproduce a skeletal outline on my exam as soon as I sit down otherwise I'm going to forget some major things.  Oh yeah, when reading cases, I need to have an outline right next to me because oftentimes a case may talk about some but not all of the elements.  It also may help to have a schedule.  I broke mine down into 30 min intervals-  but you have to be a Nazi about sticking to it, otherwise it's useless.  My sticking to my study schedule brought up by GPA second semester.   ;D   Anyway, hope that helps.   :) I'll try to think of some more things.

EDIT:  okay thought of 1 more thing.  Law school is different than UG but not entirely.  So do not abandon all notions of what worked for you in UG.  People often make that mistake.  I know I did.  So think about what u did in UG that proved successful and don't say "nothing" cause obviously something was successful if you got into LS.   

"In my first year of law school, everybody loved everybody else. We were studying the law, and the law was a noble thing. By my third year, you were lucky if you weren't murdered in your sleep. People stole exams, hid research from the library and lied to the professors. Such is the nature of the profession."

- John Grisham, "The Rainmaker" (1997)



Sage words...sage words.   LOL  :P


Wow, and i thought after the first year of Law School, things eased up a nit

things do ease up but not the way u think.  It's easier in the sense that you know what to do now.  The first year is you trying something new in hopes it would help. Trial and error. Like now I think I know how to do well-  I found my "secret strategy". But the material is different.

Plus whereas the first few weeks of the first semester I was struggling just to get thru the cases.  Now, I zoom thru 'em.  Get what I need and move on.         

I think you should share your secret strategy with those who are not attending your school...  ;D

There usually isn't a secret, since different things work for different people.  From what I've heard, even the most prepared have to struggle through some trial and error.  Also, familiarity is a huge factor, which can only be learned by doing.
 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on June 06, 2007, 06:27:16 PM
There are male cats.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 06, 2007, 08:00:12 PM
"In my first year of law school, everybody loved everybody else. We were studying the law, and the law was a noble thing. By my third year, you were lucky if you weren't murdered in your sleep. People stole exams, hid research from the library and lied to the professors. Such is the nature of the profession."

- John Grisham, "The Rainmaker" (1997)



Sage words...sage words.   LOL  :P


Wow, and i thought after the first year of Law School, things eased up a nit


It "eases up" so to speak academically, but it picks up in other areas.  Finding a job for one. Finding a job is a full time job during 2L.  And then by around 3L I found that John Grisham's Rainmaker movie had it right on point.  Folks who you came in with during 1L and were all chummy chummy with now couldn't care if you got hit by a bus.  Some even want to hit you with a bus.  A lot of it has to do with where people end up when law school is said and done.  Somebody who was shooting for biglaw or that federal clerkship all along and didn't make the grade is mad at you for doing so, etc.  Yes, it is catty.

Its not all bad though. I have made life friends in law school. Real folks who have gone through the trenches with you who you know will have your back.  Folks who have seen you at your lowest.  LOL  Ahhh...good times. ;D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: t... on June 06, 2007, 09:48:23 PM
From stories friends have told me, I'll second what Sands and cui bono say.

My experience with study groups is that you can study together, help each other out, but don't do the work for other people. Far too often I've been in the situation where I was one of the few who had taken a great set of class notes, and then at the exam study sessions everyone wanted to pal up and "share notes," when they had maybe a page or two.

I suppose it primarily depends on how well you get along with your friends, if you jibe as far as the effort you each bring.

I think most of my real law school friends will be attending other schools anyhow :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Funia on June 06, 2007, 10:22:53 PM
Cui,
My dad once said, "You can't be great and be liked by everybody. Figure out which one you want to be." I have found this to be very true. Shack those haters off, girl.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 07, 2007, 06:16:55 AM
From stories friends have told me, I'll second what Sands and cui bono say.

My experience with study groups is that you can study together, help each other out, but don't do the work for other people. Far too often I've been in the situation where I was one of the few who had taken a great set of class notes, and then at the exam study sessions everyone wanted to pal up and "share notes," when they had maybe a page or two.

I suppose it primarily depends on how well you get along with your friends, if you jibe as far as the effort you each bring.

I think most of my real law school friends will be attending other schools anyhow :D


Here Here to the bolded & also to being friends w/ folks from other schools.  (which reminds me...a very good look to attend the Regional and National BLSA Conventions)

Cui,
My dad once said, "You can't be great and be liked by everybody. Figure out which one you want to be." I have found this to be very true. Shack those haters off, girl.

Your dad is right.  I've shaken them off and honestly, their behavior just does wonders for my ego.  LOL.  If I wasn't doing something right they wouldnt be trying to "steal my shine"  as my friend put it.   LOL-  Katt Williams said..."u should be greatful, you need haters...let the mf's do they goddam job...ladies, if you got 14 haters, you need to figure out how the f- to get to 16 before the summer gets here!"   Words to live by.   

Unfortunately my main "life friend", as Sands put it got kicked out  :'( due to low grades. I took it harder than she did! Got her all the info that she needed.  But she kinda lost the will to succeed and didn't want to make a big stink out of it.  We'll still be cool of course but it sucks that she isn't gonna be here.  I think it's better not to have too much emotionally invested and be "cool" with everybody.  That's my strategy now.  For me it wasn't that those 3 "ladies" were hating like that but the fact that it was those particular 3 ladies:  (1) they were black.  We should have been sticking together.  I thought that concept was universal  ??? (2)    I helped them out in major ways.  So I moreso felt betrayed.  LOL  @ Avatar's bus thing-  but very true.  It's very hard for me to trust ppl so once I do and then you do something to betray that then it's even harder to get that back.   Those 3 ppl are now buzzing around me trying to get back in my good graces.  Nah, homie, I'm good.   ;)  Not only that but they fail to realize that the black legal community is small and we will be running into each other down the road.  Would I ever recommend them to any potential client?  Hell no.  Would ppl recommend me? Probably yes.  And the thing is you never know who's watching you.  My mentor-  the guy that I approached that night-   has seen how they are and has said "would not look upon their resume favorably".  Some of our alum made the same statement about the same ppl.   You just finished your first year...how the heck do you have a bad professional reputation already?!  Must take talent to pull that off!  :D  LOL.     
   
But anyway, I just want you guys to be better prepared than I was. Need anything lemme know.  :)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: realclear75 on June 08, 2007, 11:55:37 PM
Thanks everybody for the insite about some of situations I may encounter. I'm new to this forum and I feel like I can get an intelligent conversation and a greater understand about law school. Cui, you situation remind me of my present UG.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 09, 2007, 03:48:41 PM
Thanks everybody for the insite about some of situations I may encounter. I'm new to this forum and I feel like I can get an intelligent conversation and a greater understand about law school. Cui, you situation remind me of my present UG.

Not a prob.  And yeah sometimes LS could be like UG but more like High school.  UG was the most "grown up" of the 3!!! LOL.  But the good thing is I didn't take any of this too personally because some of the members of the BLSD warned me about it last summer just like I'm trying to do  for you guys this summer.  So I felt like I was ahead of the game.  Even was able to somewhat predict the shadyness
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Funia on June 09, 2007, 04:29:56 PM
From stories friends have told me, I'll second what Sands and cui bono say.

My experience with study groups is that you can study together, help each other out, but don't do the work for other people. Far too often I've been in the situation where I was one of the few who had taken a great set of class notes, and then at the exam study sessions everyone wanted to pal up and "share notes," when they had maybe a page or two.

I suppose it primarily depends on how well you get along with your friends, if you jibe as far as the effort you each bring.

I think most of my real law school friends will be attending other schools anyhow :D

I'm weary about study groups. My sister's roommate, a psychotic brainiac, admitted to telling people in her study group the wrong answers so she could outshine them at test time. Wierdo.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 10, 2007, 05:06:03 PM
Eh don't let us scare you too much on this thread.  ;) Study groups?  I was actually in a few study groups my first semester.  LOL-  yes I said a few...@ the same time.  I like studying alone better.  No real horror stories about my experience.  I just like to go all day-  like I can sit and study for 8 hours straight in one sitting.  Most ppl can't do that nor do they want to! My main study group was just 3 of us.  We'd go to their apt right after class but they'd break longer than they studied.  They'd get caught up watching Madea and chain smoking (something that seems to be unavoidable in LS...they either smoke or drink heavily oftentimes both) then 4 hours later they'd want to study.  By that time I was tired!  The 3 of us would meet with a larger group-  that's too much and too many ppl. 

The thing is in study group...make sure ppl know to do the work PRIOR to the group session, you can't really read the cases together.  But it's cool if ppl are all pulling their resources together.  And not to sound shady but I don't want you guys to give up all your goodies. Give some, give what you have already mastered.  Remember it's give and take soooooo, you should not be the only person giving (like moi) and you should not be the person always receiving.  I was that one 1L helping all the other black 1Ls out = stupid.  The reality = you don't know what the other person is "sitting on" as I like to call it.  There's a curve.  I just had someone ask me for an Evidence and a crim pro outline since they know I'm taking those 2 courses.  Ordinarily, I have no problem sharing.  But this person is in my class and come to find out, has several ppl's  outlines and supplements and just wants to see what I have cause they perceive me as a threat (interesting & unnecessary).  This person told me that they had zippo.   In the end it makes no difference (see infra)  but this person lied, so I'm not helping them out of principle!  :D

I've said this elsewhere so forgive me for sounding like a broken record but please read Planet Law School II  by Atticus Falcon.   It's not mandatory but another thing if you guys are getting "itchy" about law school:  LEEWS (Legal Essay Exam Writing System) by Wentworth Miller- have to order online.  Don't have to get the audio program but can just get the workbook for $30.               

The other thing is and I know I'm suppossed to be scaring you on this thread but let me alleviate some of the fear just for the moment  ;)-  law school is not as competitive as ppl make it out to be.  It really isn't.  "Hiding the ball"  is really unnecessary.  The only thing that counts is the exam so every thing that comes before that is just fluff.  Don't be scared of the curve because everything falls in line.  If you totally goof off and don't read or do anything, you'll get a not-so-nice grade (for the most part there are some extreme circumstances both ways).  If you try and you learn how to "think like a lawyer" and know how to write a law school exam, you may not always get the A but can get that C or B with reasonable effort.  Ripping pages out of the library, or otherwise acting shady is not going to help you and just wastes a whole lotta time that you could be studying.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Sparkz1920 on June 10, 2007, 05:30:10 PM
Wow. Thanks for the advice Cui Bono. I will most def be looking for those books this summer.

Glad to see you killed em with that kindness. Haters i call em. You know you're doing something right if they're trying to bring you down.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 10, 2007, 05:36:23 PM
No prob, the only other book I'd suggest (most of the ls books out there are not so good) is Getting to Maybe (may have to shop around for it or order it online )
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 11, 2007, 03:06:58 PM
Someone just asked me about this so I thought I'd post it: 

Okay so I have no more books to recommend however, I feel badly for telling you my scary stories.  So I feel like I need to balance it out with another tidbit of how to do well/wished that I knew:  very good look to write out a schedule for yourself-  I did mine by every 30 mins. Some do it by 15.   Stick to it (sounds corny I know but schedule in stuff like sleep/take shower LOL).  The other assignment that I need all the 0Ls to do is to go to a law school bookstore.  Any law school bookstore.  Peruse a casebook...any casebook...but preferably a course that you are about to take up.  See how it's organized.  See how heavy it is.  :D Then mosey yourself on over to the supplements section of the bookstore.  The reason why I really want you guys to do this is that when I came into school, I had no real idea what a supplement was.  Even after hearing about it on BLSD.  I had no idea that some supplements were "keyed" to a particular casebook.  Then I got caught up in the "battle of the supplements" first semester.  Any time I saw someone with a supplement for ANY of the courses I was taking, I would sprint to the bookstore and buy the same exact supplement they had.  Never mind that I had about 5 more at home. Every one that I knew did the same. You can't possibly use more than 2 supplements/course all the time.  That's tripling,quadrupling, (what comes after 4...lol), etc your reading.  I saw a casebook before but I didn't realize how it was organized.  Had no idea about the "notes and questions" behind a lot of the cases.  Didn't think they would have footnotes since the casebooks were so large.       


LOL-  so lemme know when you have completed this assignment.  There will be a quiz.  :D :)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 11, 2007, 06:21:24 PM
The Truth and the Light of all supplements, word is bond:


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Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on June 11, 2007, 06:28:08 PM
The Truth and the Light of all supplements, word is bond:


(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XiP3dHg7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)

there are a few patients of the dr i work for that are attorneys--they have been very helpful with info and one of them did tell me which supplements to buy!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Thistle on June 11, 2007, 06:55:33 PM
The Truth and the Light of all supplements, word is bond:


(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XiP3dHg7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)


amen.  beg, borrow, or steal in order to get the civ pro e&e.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 11, 2007, 06:59:13 PM
The Truth and the Light of all supplements, word is bond:


(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XiP3dHg7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)


amen.  beg, borrow, or steal in order to get the civ pro e&e.

Just about any E&E for that matter. E&E's are the way to go for that break down of the law.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on June 11, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
Yes! the Civ Pro E&E is especially helpful.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 12, 2007, 06:18:21 AM
The Truth and the Light of all supplements, word is bond:


(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XiP3dHg7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)

Where do we purchase this/these? 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 12, 2007, 06:19:51 AM
What are you guys thoughts on the "law in a flash" flashcards?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 12, 2007, 06:35:50 AM
Almost everyone I know picked up law in a flash flashcards.  Nobody I knew used them.


Gotta do the E&Es, especially Glannon on Torts.  My fave supplements for each class:

Civ Pro -- Glannon E&E
Ks -- Chirelstein
Crim -- Dressler
Property -- Dukeminier for Gilberts
Torts -- Prayer.  No, really.  I just prayed.  God I hate torts.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 12, 2007, 06:37:37 AM
Lol dood, you do realize that much of your future career will involve torts, right?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 12, 2007, 06:40:45 AM
Lol dood, you do realize that much of your future career will involve torts, right?



I'm so screwed then.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 12, 2007, 06:46:56 AM
Lol dood, you do realize that much of your future career will involve torts, right?



I'm so screwed then.

Unless you do all criminal, which would be difficult at best.  Most of the USAOs I looked at require some sort of rotation.  I suppose you could be a public defender.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 12, 2007, 06:52:39 AM
Almost everyone I know picked up law in a flash flashcards.  Nobody I knew used them.


Gotta do the E&Es, especially Glannon on Torts.  My fave supplements for each class:

Civ Pro -- Glannon E&E
Ks -- Chirelstein
Crim -- Dressler
Property -- Dukeminier for Gilberts
Torts -- Prayer.  No, really.  I just prayed.  God I hate torts.

Don't forget Chemerinsky for Con Law. 
And how can you hate Torts?  It's like the best bits of campy horror movies distilled into one horrifying yet entertaining class!  Of course, our professor had a really delightful and twisted sick sense of humor, which helped. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 12, 2007, 06:54:33 AM
Lol dood, you do realize that much of your future career will involve torts, right?



I'm so screwed then.

Unless you do all criminal, which would be difficult at best.  Most of the USAOs I looked at require some sort of rotation.  I suppose you could be a public defender.


I couldn't do other civil lit?  I mean, I'm doing labor/employment discrim now and wouldn't mind doing more of this in the future.  It only involves minimal torts stuff (NEID, IIED, Neglgient Retention/Supervision/Hiring, wrongful discharge)...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 12, 2007, 06:56:27 AM
Almost everyone I know picked up law in a flash flashcards.  Nobody I knew used them.


Gotta do the E&Es, especially Glannon on Torts.  My fave supplements for each class:

Civ Pro -- Glannon E&E
Ks -- Chirelstein
Crim -- Dressler
Property -- Dukeminier for Gilberts
Torts -- Prayer.  No, really.  I just prayed.  God I hate torts.

Don't forget Chemerinsky for Con Law. 
And how can you hate Torts?  It's like the best bits of campy horror movies distilled into one horrifying yet entertaining class!  Of course, our professor had a really delightful and twisted sick sense of humor, which helped. 


Our professor sucked. 

He was only teaching for the second year, couldn't explain crap.  What do you expect, he went to Yale Law.   ;)

We don't take Con Law in 1L year at HLS, so I have the privilege of suffering that burden in the fall.  Plus I have a feeling my prof is going to take a novel (read: weird) approach.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 12, 2007, 07:02:48 AM
Almost everyone I know picked up law in a flash flashcards.  Nobody I knew used them.


Gotta do the E&Es, especially Glannon on Torts.  My fave supplements for each class:

Civ Pro -- Glannon E&E
Ks -- Chirelstein
Crim -- Dressler
Property -- Dukeminier for Gilberts
Torts -- Prayer.  No, really.  I just prayed.  God I hate torts.

Don't forget Chemerinsky for Con Law. 
And how can you hate Torts?  It's like the best bits of campy horror movies distilled into one horrifying yet entertaining class!  Of course, our professor had a really delightful and twisted sick sense of humor, which helped. 


Our professor sucked. 

He was only teaching for the second year, couldn't explain crap.  What do you expect, he went to Yale Law.   ;)

We don't take Con Law in 1L year at HLS, so I have the privilege of suffering that burden in the fall.  Plus I have a feeling my prof is going to take a novel (read: weird) approach.

No!  I love Con Law (so much so that I'm taking a Con Law workshop AND jurisprudence in the fall.)  By far my best class of 1L and my reason for living during a yucky second semester.  But novel approaches are...rough.  I think one of our profs is guest-teaching Con Law there in the spring.  He should be wonderful. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 12, 2007, 07:06:56 AM
Lol dood, you do realize that much of your future career will involve torts, right?



I'm so screwed then.

Unless you do all criminal, which would be difficult at best.  Most of the USAOs I looked at require some sort of rotation.  I suppose you could be a public defender.


I couldn't do other civil lit?  I mean, I'm doing labor/employment discrim now and wouldn't mind doing more of this in the future.  It only involves minimal torts stuff (NEID, IIED, Neglgient Retention/Supervision/Hiring, wrongful discharge)...

Yeah I suppose you could minimize your tort exposure.  But dood...no self-respecting trial lawyer hates torts.  That's like a doctor saying, "Blood makes me sick!"
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 12, 2007, 07:10:31 AM
Almost everyone I know picked up law in a flash flashcards.  Nobody I knew used them.


Gotta do the E&Es, especially Glannon on Torts.  My fave supplements for each class:

Civ Pro -- Glannon E&E
Ks -- Chirelstein
Crim -- Dressler
Property -- Dukeminier for Gilberts
Torts -- Prayer.  No, really.  I just prayed.  God I hate torts.

Don't forget Chemerinsky for Con Law. 
And how can you hate Torts?  It's like the best bits of campy horror movies distilled into one horrifying yet entertaining class!  Of course, our professor had a really delightful and twisted sick sense of humor, which helped. 


Our professor sucked. 

He was only teaching for the second year, couldn't explain crap.  What do you expect, he went to Yale Law.   ;)

We don't take Con Law in 1L year at HLS, so I have the privilege of suffering that burden in the fall.  Plus I have a feeling my prof is going to take a novel (read: weird) approach.

No!  I love Con Law (so much so that I'm taking a Con Law workshop AND jurisprudence in the fall.)  By far my best class of 1L and my reason for living during a yucky second semester.  But novel approaches are...rough.  I think one of our profs is guest-teaching Con Law there in the spring.  He should be wonderful. 


LOL, I'm just playing.  I know I'll love Con Law.  It's been the course I most look forward to taking in law school since I decided I wanted to be a lawyer.  Plus, the HLS line-up for Con Law is sick; I was excited from Day 1 and pissed I couldn't take Con Law 1L year.  I'll be taking it with Daryl Levinson who wrote that famous HLR article on Remedies.  I hear he continues in that vein with his Con Law class and really engages constitutional remedies and how they shape and inform our understanding of constitutional guarantees.  Should be fun.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 12, 2007, 07:12:02 AM
Lol dood, you do realize that much of your future career will involve torts, right?



I'm so screwed then.

Unless you do all criminal, which would be difficult at best.  Most of the USAOs I looked at require some sort of rotation.  I suppose you could be a public defender.


I couldn't do other civil lit?  I mean, I'm doing labor/employment discrim now and wouldn't mind doing more of this in the future.  It only involves minimal torts stuff (NEID, IIED, Neglgient Retention/Supervision/Hiring, wrongful discharge)...

Yeah I suppose you could minimize your tort exposure.  But dood...no self-respecting trial lawyer hates torts.  That's like a doctor saying, "Blood makes me sick!"


LOL, well I'm still transitioning from a (in my head at least) appellate advocate to a trial lawyer.  The love of Torts will come in due time.  In the meantime, I'll just have to continue in my hemophobia.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 12, 2007, 07:15:00 AM
LOL, well I'm still transitioning from a (in my head at least) appellate advocate to a trial lawyer.

Oooh yeah, I remember that.  Told you you'd change your mind.  What brought this about for you?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 12, 2007, 07:21:37 AM
LOL, well I'm still transitioning from a (in my head at least) appellate advocate to a trial lawyer.

Oooh yeah, I remember that.  Told you you'd change your mind.  What brought this about for you?


I still love appellate stuff.  But what are the chances I'd be able to break into that field?  And distinguish myself?  Perhaps my skills/passion is better suit in trial advocacy.  And the two aren't mutually exclusive.  We'll see as time goes on.  I don't think I have to make too final a decision just yet.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 12, 2007, 07:41:33 AM
The Truth and the Light of all supplements, word is bond:


(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XiP3dHg7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)

True dat.  You guys can purchase it from any law school bookstore (which is why I'd like you all to visit one)or you can even order it online.   But make sure you skim thru it before you buy it, what worked for us may not work for you.   :)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: iman on June 12, 2007, 09:16:44 AM
these saved me on evidence. i heard they are good for admin. haven't used them for anything else. i think they would probably be good for tax as well. so if you take any of these classes as electives second semester see if you can get your hands on the flashcards.

What are you guys thoughts on the "law in a flash" flashcards?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: iman on June 12, 2007, 09:18:58 AM
yeah Glannon didn't help me. but first semester was so rough, i don't know what happened...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on June 12, 2007, 09:58:52 AM
Study Groups Me personally, I never liked them in undergrad or Law School. That mostly has to do with the fact that I think differently when it comes to breaking down difficult concepts and trying to understand them in a way that allows me to apply it in different situations. Some people like to develop their outline based on what the individual argumetns that were made inside of the case. Me? I like to just go by what the BLL is and then apply it to the Professor's Notes, and then look at the Cases individually to see how the Judge applied it in that situation.

Additionally, Law Students in general tend to be Type-A personalities and if you have a different opinion or view on a certain issue then yer gonna spend a lot of time debating with them why it can be interpreted in certain ways or why this rule doesn't abridge the Rules Enabling Act or why this would be considered Special Damages instead of just General. Time is wasted and you don't learn as much as you would if you Were locked in a room and studying by your lonesome.

I believe in studying AFTER you have sat down and learned the material yourself. That way you aren't relying on somebody else to teach you anything. IN fact it is better b/c then the other person can add on to what you have already learned yourself.

Study Aids Use anything you can get your hands on. Don't turn down something just because it doesn't have the name "Glannons" or something like that. The Law is the Law. When it comes down to making that outline, Glannons will explain the same type of Future Interest that anybody else will. The question when you walk out of the final will be, "Did you learn the law" not, "Did you read the right guide"

Socializing Do it often and do it well. You'll learn that some of the best Professional relationships develop out of great social ones. I can't count the number of times I've hung out in a strip club with Lawyers before. But I can gaurentee you that those same lawyers are willing to put in a good word for me or help me out with anything career-wises if I were to ask them. Not to mention that I've gotten some of the best Outlines and study guides from peple just because I hung out with them and stuff like that. Remember that not everyone who looks like you is a friend, and not everybody who looks DIFFERENT from you is an enemy.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Nowhere Man on June 12, 2007, 01:38:47 PM
The Truth and the Light of all supplements, word is bond:


(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XiP3dHg7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)


amen.  beg, borrow, or steal in order to get the civ pro e&e.

Just about any E&E for that matter. E&E's are the way to go for that break down of the law.

You actually put me on to them.

I have them for every subject.

It works for me because it tells me the WHY.

A student like me needs the WHY.

Also I would say if your school gives Multiple Choice exams with Essays. Do PMBR questions. Practice, practice and practice.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 12, 2007, 03:45:31 PM
Almost everyone I know picked up law in a flash flashcards.  Nobody I knew used them.


Gotta do the E&Es, especially Glannon on Torts.  My fave supplements for each class:

Civ Pro -- Glannon E&E
Ks -- Chirelstein
Crim -- Dressler
Property -- Dukeminier for Gilberts
Torts -- Prayer.  No, really.  I just prayed.  God I hate torts.

Don't forget Chemerinsky for Con Law. 
And how can you hate Torts?  It's like the best bits of campy horror movies distilled into one horrifying yet entertaining class!  Of course, our professor had a really delightful and twisted sick sense of humor, which helped. 

Reenactments are good.

Sadly as much as I loved the Glannon Civ Pro, it was of no use to me on my Civ Pro II exam, sadly. Then again I just suck at exams generally so this is no surprise.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 12, 2007, 07:40:48 PM
The Truth and the Light of all supplements, word is bond:


(http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XiP3dHg7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg)

Where do we purchase this/these? 

I got all of mine used on Amazon.com for like $15 bucks a pop.  Otherwise, the book store for about $30 to $40.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 12, 2007, 07:44:18 PM
Lol dood, you do realize that much of your future career will involve torts, right?



I'm so screwed then.

Unless you do all criminal, which would be difficult at best.  Most of the USAOs I looked at require some sort of rotation.  I suppose you could be a public defender.


I couldn't do other civil lit?  I mean, I'm doing labor/employment discrim now and wouldn't mind doing more of this in the future.  It only involves minimal torts stuff (NEID, IIED, Neglgient Retention/Supervision/Hiring, wrongful discharge)...

Yeah I suppose you could minimize your tort exposure.  But dood...no self-respecting trial lawyer hates torts.  That's like a doctor saying, "Blood makes me sick!"


LOL, well I'm still transitioning from a (in my head at least) appellate advocate to a trial lawyer.  The love of Torts will come in due time.  In the meantime, I'll just have to continue in my hemophobia.


LOL  You'll be straight, son.  Torts aren't so bad.  Nowhere near as complicated as Con Law.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Thistle on June 12, 2007, 08:24:40 PM
Lol dood, you do realize that much of your future career will involve torts, right?



I'm so screwed then.

Unless you do all criminal, which would be difficult at best.  Most of the USAOs I looked at require some sort of rotation.  I suppose you could be a public defender.


I couldn't do other civil lit?  I mean, I'm doing labor/employment discrim now and wouldn't mind doing more of this in the future.  It only involves minimal torts stuff (NEID, IIED, Neglgient Retention/Supervision/Hiring, wrongful discharge)...

Yeah I suppose you could minimize your tort exposure.  But dood...no self-respecting trial lawyer hates torts.  That's like a doctor saying, "Blood makes me sick!"


LOL, well I'm still transitioning from a (in my head at least) appellate advocate to a trial lawyer.  The love of Torts will come in due time.  In the meantime, I'll just have to continue in my hemophobia.


LOL  You'll be straight, son.  Torts aren't so bad.  Nowhere near as complicated as Con Law.



at least you have the occasional lost limb to hold your interest
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 12, 2007, 08:35:14 PM
Lol dood, you do realize that much of your future career will involve torts, right?



I'm so screwed then.

Unless you do all criminal, which would be difficult at best.  Most of the USAOs I looked at require some sort of rotation.  I suppose you could be a public defender.


I couldn't do other civil lit?  I mean, I'm doing labor/employment discrim now and wouldn't mind doing more of this in the future.  It only involves minimal torts stuff (NEID, IIED, Neglgient Retention/Supervision/Hiring, wrongful discharge)...

Yeah I suppose you could minimize your tort exposure.  But dood...no self-respecting trial lawyer hates torts.  That's like a doctor saying, "Blood makes me sick!"


LOL, well I'm still transitioning from a (in my head at least) appellate advocate to a trial lawyer.  The love of Torts will come in due time.  In the meantime, I'll just have to continue in my hemophobia.


LOL  You'll be straight, son.  Torts aren't so bad.  Nowhere near as complicated as Con Law.



at least you have the occasional lost limb to hold your interest


What can be more exciting than the seemingly contradictory and intentionally ambiguous written justifications depriving US citizens of their Constitutional rights?  For my money it doesn't get any better than that.  Long live the Court!  ;D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 13, 2007, 06:28:53 AM
I'll take any dry/mundane/complex part of Con Law over Torts.  Then again, I haven't taken Con Law in law school yet.  But hey, Supremacy Clause, Commerce Clause, Article III -- all of that sounds fun to me!  <-- Legal nerd.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: DDBY on June 13, 2007, 10:26:52 AM
On the issue of torts ;D, I plead the 5th :-\.

Tortfeasor for life! :P
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 13, 2007, 11:18:23 AM
Yeah me neither.  Maybe lacoste had to do a lot of econ or something.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 13, 2007, 11:57:55 AM
Yeah me neither.  Maybe lacoste had to do a lot of econ or something.


We didn't have much, if any, econ.  My prof was no good.  And the subject matter didn't interest me.  I don't know -- I can't even recall a case that I found interesting.  Palsgraf?  Snore.  Fletcher v. Rylands?  SHOOT ME.  Carroll Towing?  Mreh.  Maybe Vosberg v. Putney was somewhat amusing.  Maybe.  And Tarasoff rather ironic.

Otherwise, I'd rather gnaw my left leg off below the knee.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 13, 2007, 12:02:05 PM
Yeah me neither.  Maybe lacoste had to do a lot of econ or something.


We didn't have much, if any, econ.  My prof was no good.  And the subject matter didn't interest me.  I don't know -- I can't even recall a case that I found interesting.  Palsgraf?  Snore.  Fletcher v. Rylands?  SHOOT ME.  Carroll Towing?  Mreh.  Maybe Vosberg v. Putney was somewhat amusing.  Maybe.  And Tarasoff rather ironic.

Otherwise, I'd rather gnaw my left leg off below the knee.

Have someone else do it: future 1Ls will thank you for livening up their Torts books. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 13, 2007, 12:03:52 PM
Yeah me neither.  Maybe lacoste had to do a lot of econ or something.


We didn't have much, if any, econ.  My prof was no good.  And the subject matter didn't interest me.  I don't know -- I can't even recall a case that I found interesting.  Palsgraf?  Snore.  Fletcher v. Rylands?  SHOOT ME.  Carroll Towing?  Mreh.  Maybe Vosberg v. Putney was somewhat amusing.  Maybe.  And Tarasoff rather ironic.

Otherwise, I'd rather gnaw my left leg off below the knee.

Have someone else do it: future 1Ls will thank you for livening up their Torts books. 


Well played, lol.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on June 13, 2007, 02:14:40 PM
How can you not like Torts? It is one of the simplest subjects. Was the person a trespasser or did they have permission to go onto the property? Did he have consent to punch the person or was it unlawful contact?

My Torts Professor sucked at teaching, but the subject itself was simple enough that you could sit down and read the case and understand the reasoning.

But then again, I'm biased. I worked with a Personal Injury attorney for 2 years before I went to Law School, so that's why I have a good understanding of it.

But still! I'd take Torts over CivPro or Contracts ANY day of the week. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 13, 2007, 04:48:42 PM
On the issue of torts ;D, I plead the 5th :-\.

Tortfeasor for life! :P


Actually that's still Con Law (5th Amendment)   

 :P (yes I am also guilty of being a legal nerd) :P
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 13, 2007, 06:40:26 PM
Oh please...you and I had the same teacher.  He taught us well.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: One Step Ahead on June 13, 2007, 07:22:00 PM
I enjoyed storytime with Guido.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 13, 2007, 08:17:12 PM
Oh please...you and I had the same teacher.  He taught us well.

That's just your opinion. I don't share it. Nothing to say "oh please" over.

ETA: I never blamed it on the teacher. I'm not sure that I would have liked it more if it were torts instead of "torts."

No I take issue with your calling it "torts."  What made it "torts" and not torts?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 13, 2007, 08:26:41 PM
How can you not like Torts? It is one of the simplest subjects. Was the person a trespasser or did they have permission to go onto the property? Did he have consent to punch the person or was it unlawful contact?

My Torts Professor sucked at teaching, but the subject itself was simple enough that you could sit down and read the case and understand the reasoning.

But then again, I'm biased. I worked with a Personal Injury attorney for 2 years before I went to Law School, so that's why I have a good understanding of it.

But still! I'd take Torts over CivPro or Contracts ANY day of the week. 

Here here.


3 years later I'm still like "So....what is a contact?"
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Nowhere Man on June 13, 2007, 08:55:34 PM
Easy Subjects to me Torts, Contracts, Con. Law.

But Property and Civ. Pro. My God! Why oh why! Terrible courses.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 04:23:58 AM
99% of the tort cases you will encounter won't be intentional torts.  They will be negligence-based, and we covered that extensively.  Personal injury lawyers do intentional torts.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 06:16:24 AM
Nope.  Not a single one.  Actually, is it Vosberg v. Putney?  If so, I recall that case.  What's it about?  Is that the flying squib???
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 06:40:38 AM
Vosberg v. Putney is the case where the one kid taps/kicks the other kid on the leg and the latter ends up crippled.

Oh yeah I remember that one.  Take your victim as you find him?  We didn't talk about the intentionality.

Man, what's the name of the flying squib case??  It's my most favorite case in all of law. Hmmmm.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 06:45:34 AM
Scott v. Shepherd!  I love that case.  Can't find an online version to share though.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 14, 2007, 06:47:09 AM
Scott v. Shepherd!  I love that case.  Can't find an online version to share though.

That was a great one- I think because we reenacted it, but not with a real squib.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 07:00:39 AM
Scott v. Shepherd!  I love that case.  Can't find an online version to share though.

That was a great one- I think because we reenacted it, but not with a real squib.

Lol I think we reenacted it too.  But I remember lmaoing while reading it.  You can get the basic facts from this page:

http://books.google.com/books?id=DI8DAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA493&dq=%22de+grey%22+scott+shepherd&ie=ISO-8859-1#PPA493,M1
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 07:01:26 AM
Who says I can't be a personal injury lawyer? There are actually people who graduate from YLS and do that, you know.

Have fun with that.  I'll be sure to give you a call if I get in a car wreck ;).
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 07:09:59 AM
What's it about?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: One Step Ahead on June 14, 2007, 07:29:24 AM
personal injury law. It's by John Edwards. It made me feel like I should have liked torts. I think I don't like classes where the connection to the people affected is too tenuous - i.e., I don't think it's funny when someone's leg is cutoff by a train wire or whatever. This is why I loved my death penalty class. The last day he was like, "Remember, the law is about people." And I was thinking, "Wow - so glad to hear someone say that." It's about power (per Koh), and it's about people. Four Trials realllly captures that in a powerful way. Maybe I would have liked a torts class taught by him.

Maybe you skipped a few too many classes because that was Guido's angle.  Don't you remember the Tweed airport case?--that will forever mark my understanding of torts; real lives are shattered by accidents.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: One Step Ahead on June 14, 2007, 07:36:49 AM
I'm not convincing you that you didn't like torts--at most I'm just saying that Guido's angle wasn't the problem.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 07:37:06 AM
personal injury law. It's by John Edwards. It made me feel like I should have liked torts. I think I don't like classes where the connection to the people affected is too tenuous - i.e., I don't think it's funny when someone's leg is cutoff by a train wire or whatever. This is why I loved my death penalty class. The last day he was like, "Remember, the law is about people." And I was thinking, "Wow - so glad to hear someone say that." It's about power (per Koh), and it's about people. Four Trials realllly captures that in a powerful way. Maybe I would have liked a torts class taught by him.

Maybe you skipped a few too many classes because that was Guido's angle.  Don't you remember the Tweed airport case?--that will forever mark my understanding of torts; real lives are shattered by accidents.

That was such a sad case :-[.  And I think about it every time I fly into/out of Tweed  :-[ :-[.

I'd rather think of flying squibs! :D (even though dood's eye gets put out...)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 07:38:08 AM
I'm not convincing you that you didn't like torts--at most I'm just saying that Guido's angle wasn't the problem.

titcr.  That you don't like Torts isn't the problem...personal preference.  I just took issue with your mischaracterizations of the class.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 07:43:34 AM
We didn't learn torts, Guido didn't care about the people, etc.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 07:47:54 AM
We didn't learn torts, Guido didn't care about the people, etc.

Well, we didn't learn all torts. I would have liked to know what battery was. (That's an intentional tort, right?)

The class was callous - probably wasn't Guido's fault; guess it was the rest of you nukkas. People seemed to care more in Ks, interestingly enough.

Lol then we took "con law" (13 classes on EPC and none on 1stA) and "contracts" (no 3rd-party beneficiaries) too.  Koh probably left something out of "procedure."
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 07:50:08 AM
Vosberg v. Putney is the case where the one kid taps/kicks the other kid on the leg and the latter ends up crippled.

Oh yeah I remember that one.  Take your victim as you find him?  We didn't talk about the intentionality.


Really?  Since it was the very first case, we were all about non consensual touching as a tort, and liability for unintended damage as the result of an intentional tort.

Golly, I guess one really doesn't get the same education everywhere. :D

Not even in the same school ;).  You'll find that out soon enough.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 07:59:52 AM
You've heard people here bring up intentional torts?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 08:07:30 AM
You've heard people here bring up intentional torts?

no - I was talking about procedure. But I've had people in general say things about intentional torts and I'm like  ??? So irritating. I suppose I should read a hornbook despite having taken the class and all. That's like teaching procedure and leaving out class actions altogether.

Can't cover everything.  People bring up stuff that theoretically could have been covered in a class that I took all the time.  Is this dood a 3rd-party beneficiary?  Hell if I know.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 14, 2007, 08:13:13 AM
:)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 14, 2007, 08:14:08 AM
It does seem weird to me to not cover intentional torts at all, but each school is so different.
We have civ pro as a one semester course with all of the jurisdiction stuff taken out.  It makes sense to me - we just have jurisdiction as a course unto itself (an upper-level elective.)  But sometimes it doesn't seem legit that I made it through 1L without reading Erie.  

(And we didn't do 1A in con law either - that's a separate class too.)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 14, 2007, 08:37:21 AM
Civ pro is the *&^%.  Torts sucked.  Maybe simple, but still boring.  Plus, we ended up doing all this crap about medical malpractice reform.  Booo.  I hated torts so much...

I'd retake civ pro and crim though.  Good stuff.  Civ pro was a blast.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 14, 2007, 09:33:19 AM
It does seem weird to me to not cover intentional torts at all, but each school is so different.
We have civ pro as a one semester course with all of the jurisdiction stuff taken out.  It makes sense to me - we just have jurisdiction as a course unto itself (an upper-level elective.)  But sometimes it doesn't seem legit that I made it through 1L without reading Erie

(And we didn't do 1A in con law either - that's a separate class too.)

We did about a class worth of intentional torts and I've heard that other schools are the same with their lack of focus on them. My school is also condensing Civ Pro down from 2 semesters to one, but I'm not sure how things will change. I'm guessing they'll cut out some of jurisdiction to get it to fit.

Lacoste- I have no idea how civ pro was a blast- dang. My second semester was torture.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 14, 2007, 09:40:40 AM
It does seem weird to me to not cover intentional torts at all, but each school is so different.
We have civ pro as a one semester course with all of the jurisdiction stuff taken out.  It makes sense to me - we just have jurisdiction as a course unto itself (an upper-level elective.)  But sometimes it doesn't seem legit that I made it through 1L without reading Erie

(And we didn't do 1A in con law either - that's a separate class too.)

We did about a class worth of intentional torts and I've heard that other schools are the same with their lack of focus on them. My school is also condensing Civ Pro down from 2 semesters to one, but I'm not sure how things will change. I'm guessing they'll cut out some of jurisdiction to get it to fit.

Lacoste- I have no idea how civ pro was a blast- dang. My second semester was torture.

We read A Civil Action as we learned the Rules.  We had a big binder full of all the Court documents from the Andersen litigation (the case in A Civil Action).  We would read Rule 11 and then read the actual Rule 11 Motion and Response filed.  Brought all of it to life.  Then at the end, we had a conversation with Charlie Nesson (Billion Dollar Charlie on the plaintiffs' side) and the lead counsel for Grace (the guy played by Robert Duvall).  Civ Pro was the sh!t.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on June 14, 2007, 10:36:17 AM
It does seem weird to me to not cover intentional torts at all, but each school is so different.
We have civ pro as a one semester course with all of the jurisdiction stuff taken out.  It makes sense to me - we just have jurisdiction as a course unto itself (an upper-level elective.)  But sometimes it doesn't seem legit that I made it through 1L without reading Erie

(And we didn't do 1A in con law either - that's a separate class too.)

We did about a class worth of intentional torts and I've heard that other schools are the same with their lack of focus on them. My school is also condensing Civ Pro down from 2 semesters to one, but I'm not sure how things will change. I'm guessing they'll cut out some of jurisdiction to get it to fit.

Lacoste- I have no idea how civ pro was a blast- dang. My second semester was torture.

We read A Civil Action as we learned the Rules.  We had a big binder full of all the Court documents from the Andersen litigation (the case in A Civil Action).  We would read Rule 11 and then read the actual Rule 11 Motion and Response filed.  Brought all of it to life.  Then at the end, we had a conversation with Charlie Nesson (Billion Dollar Charlie on the plaintiffs' side) and the lead counsel for Grace (the guy played by Robert Duvall).  Civ Pro was the sh!t.

We read that in my Blaw class.  Good book.  We also had a q&a with Jan Schlichtmann because his brother is the ex-husband of one of my classmate's aunt.  Don't you love those random connections?  :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Thistle on June 14, 2007, 03:10:10 PM
It does seem weird to me to not cover intentional torts at all, but each school is so different.
We have civ pro as a one semester course with all of the jurisdiction stuff taken out.  It makes sense to me - we just have jurisdiction as a course unto itself (an upper-level elective.)  But sometimes it doesn't seem legit that I made it through 1L without reading Erie

(And we didn't do 1A in con law either - that's a separate class too.)

We did about a class worth of intentional torts and I've heard that other schools are the same with their lack of focus on them. My school is also condensing Civ Pro down from 2 semesters to one, but I'm not sure how things will change. I'm guessing they'll cut out some of jurisdiction to get it to fit.

Lacoste- I have no idea how civ pro was a blast- dang. My second semester was torture.

We read A Civil Action as we learned the Rules.  We had a big binder full of all the Court documents from the Andersen litigation (the case in A Civil Action).  We would read Rule 11 and then read the actual Rule 11 Motion and Response filed.  Brought all of it to life.  Then at the end, we had a conversation with Charlie Nesson (Billion Dollar Charlie on the plaintiffs' side) and the lead counsel for Grace (the guy played by Robert Duvall).  Civ Pro was the sh!t.

the real learning of "A Civil Action" = "never take a case on contingency"
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 14, 2007, 03:52:13 PM
It does seem weird to me to not cover intentional torts at all, but each school is so different.
We have civ pro as a one semester course with all of the jurisdiction stuff taken out.  It makes sense to me - we just have jurisdiction as a course unto itself (an upper-level elective.)  But sometimes it doesn't seem legit that I made it through 1L without reading Erie

(And we didn't do 1A in con law either - that's a separate class too.)


Different schools will take different spins on the law, but we all get the same basics. I have noticed with the Yalies, Harvard and NYU cats, you guys tend to focus on the policy perspective for some of your core classes more so than other schools do, generally speaking. I think they're trying to give you guys more of a policy maker perspective as opposed to a litigator perspective.

We started off with unintentional torts, then touched on intentional torts like battery and assault and false imprisonment for about 5 minutes each, just so we could recognize them, and then we went right back into negligence, since as #1 said, that's where most tort cases are at.  Negligence.  That's what Biglaw does on a daily basis - keep the fortune 500 companies out of tort liability for the corporation's alleged negligence with some plaintiff.  That and contracts issues.


But even within the different tracts, I found that some of my classmates would not know the details of certain topics like our tract did, and vice versa.  It's like the professor has to take you through the bare basics of the substantive law of contracts, or torts, or crim, make sure you know what proximate cause is, make sure you know what mens rea is, and then after that, its a free for all.  You learn what they want you to learn.


 :P


Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 15, 2007, 07:00:08 AM
Speaking of torts, this is hilarious:

Editorial
Bork v. Bork

There are many versions of the cliché that “a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged,” and Robert Bork has just given rise to another. A tort plaintiff, it turns out, is a critic of tort lawsuits who has slipped and fallen at the Yale Club.

Mr. Bork, of course, is the former federal appeals court judge who was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1987 but not confirmed by the Senate. He has long been famous for his lack of sympathy for people who go to court with claims of race or sex discrimination, or other injustices. He has gotten particularly exercised about accident victims driving up the cost of business by filing lawsuits. In an op-ed article, he once complained that “juries dispense lottery-like windfalls,” and compared the civil justice system to “Barbary pirates.”

That was before Mr. Bork spoke at the Yale Club last year, and fell on his way to the dais, injuring his leg and bumping his head. Mr. Bork is not merely suing the club for failing to provide a set of stairs and a handrail between the floor and the dais. He has filed a suit that is so aggressive about the law that, if he had not filed it himself, we suspect he might regard it as, well, piratical.

Mr. Bork puts the actual damages for his apparently non-life-threatening injuries (after his fall, he was reportedly able to go on and deliver his speech) at “in excess of $1,000,000.” He is also claiming punitive damages. And he is demanding that the Yale Club pay his attorney’s fees.

We can imagine what Mr. Bork the legal scholar would ask if he had a chance to question Mr. Bork the plaintiff. If it was “reasonably foreseeable” that without stairs and a handrail, “a guest such as Mr. Bork” would be injured, why did Mr. Bork try to climb up to the dais? Where does personal responsibility enter in? And wouldn’t $1 million-plus punitive damages amount to a “lottery-like windfall”?

Since we believe in the tort system, when properly used, all we would ask is whether Mr. Bork’s unfortunate experience at the Yale Club has led him to re-evaluate any of the harsh things he has said in the past about injured people, much like himself, who simply wanted their day in court.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/14/opinion/14thu4.html?em&ex=1182052800&en=675f471068eed482&ei=5087%0A
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 15, 2007, 10:13:07 AM
Classic. :D


Good post.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 15, 2007, 10:25:51 AM
Classic. :D


Good post.


Sadly still eclipsed by the Black judge seeking $54 million for his Calvin Klein pants.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 15, 2007, 10:33:56 AM
lol true.  I hope that nukka gets a major benchslap.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Thistle on June 15, 2007, 03:38:43 PM
Speaking of torts, this is hilarious:

Editorial
Bork v. Bork

There are many versions of the cliché that “a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged,” and Robert Bork has just given rise to another. A tort plaintiff, it turns out, is a critic of tort lawsuits who has slipped and fallen at the Yale Club.




i take it bork is a harvard grad....
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 15, 2007, 04:37:55 PM
Going through all this property crap has reminded me of a Horror Story for the soon to be 1L's:


We're about a month into law school, which means we were sort of finding our rhythm but not really.  Still didn't know if it was best to read ahead or just stay with the day's readings, start outlining or wait until the end of the semester, start looking at practice exams or wait until November, stop briefing but keep book briefing, or just stop briefing altogether...

...so anyway, sitting in my most dreaded class next to Contracts, which was Property, and since we had an LRW assignment due the following week, I had decided to go ahead in the reading so as not to get behind when I started working on the LRW paper, which ended up happening anyway now that I think about it.  Nevertheless, there I was, in Property class, waiting for the professor to show up and trying to remember what case we were on for the day since I was ahead in the reading by about a week and a half. 

Professor walks in, takes to the podium, skims through her seating chart, and without saying a word calls out "Mr. [Avatar]!  Recite to us the key facts of Baker v. Weedon."  First of all, I wasn't even expecting to be called on.  Second of all, my laptop wasn't even finished going through its forever-and-a-day morning start up ritual.  And lastly, on that day, it had been about a week and a half since I had actually read the case. 

Normally, this is where the prudent law student would say "Pass" but this wasn't the type of professor that you pass on.  She bumped grades DOWN for not being prepared, so you had to be on point.  Plus, this was the first time that I had been called on in this class, so this was my first impression.  And as if that wasn't enough pressure by itself, this was the first time that a student of color had been called on in the class, so there was an added sense of duty to dispel the "just another affirmative action kid who stole my seat" stereotype.

So I somehow by God's grace opened up to Baker v. Weedon in my case book, and much to my immediate surprise, I saw from the many words underlined in pencil that I had been here before in some previous lifetime (aka last week).  The only problem was that I couldn't really remember WHY I had underlined the words that I did.  So I muddled my way through the facts, something about a farm and a state highway running through it and a bunch of relatives trying to figure out who owns the property and what not. 

Now normally, when a student gives the facts of the case, you're done in about 30 seconds.  Not with this professor. She stops you every time you say a word that was not in the fact pattern, every time you say a term of art, and she stops you every other sentence just on GP.  So by this time, I've been thoroughly shook up like a pair of dice, but I'm still hanging in there, thinking if I could just tell her what the issue is she'll call on somebody else.

Wrong. 

She stayed with me and only me for the remainder of the entire hour of class, despite my classmates waving their hands, eager to jump in whenever I clearly didn't know the answer. Which was often. In the end, I somehow managed to state the issue correctly, the applicable rule, the relevant reasoning of the court and even got a few additional hypo's correct that she threw at me off the top of her dome, but that was without a doubt the longest day of my law school career.



Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: justGem on June 15, 2007, 07:45:03 PM
READAHEAD&HAD2REFRESHMYMEMORYONTHESPOTP WNED = horror story  ???

You could've at least embelished for effect :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: justGem on June 15, 2007, 08:15:07 PM
READAHEAD&HAD2REFRESHMYMEMORYONTHESPOTP WNED = horror story  ???

You could've at least embelished for effect :D

Oh snap gemini is back! lol I'm gonna have to resurrect that reason #5,896 thread now

Lol! I guess rabbit ears on a Friday night has brought me out of lurkmode.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 16, 2007, 02:44:20 PM
READAHEAD&HAD2REFRESHMYMEMORYONTHESPOTP WNED = horror story  ???

You could've at least embelished for effect :D

A brother tries to share a law school horror story and gets a critic. Sheesh.

I guess you don't find professors that stick with you and only you for an entire hour a problem even when you don't know the answers.  I needed that attitude during 1L.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Thistle on June 16, 2007, 03:06:52 PM
i came to class hung over one morning and read straight from lexis headnotes.

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 16, 2007, 03:07:14 PM
READAHEAD&HAD2REFRESHMYMEMORYONTHESPOTP WNED = horror story  ???

You could've at least embelished for effect :D

Beats reading behind and having to refresh my memory of the future.   >:(

This I've seen happen, and man it was ugly. I felt so sorry for that poor girl. The prof. wouldn't let her off the hook.



It can get very ugly! Happened to my homegirl during the introduction of hearsay of Evidence.  We TRIED to save her.  No dice. Prof wasn't having it.  Longest 15 minutes ever.  It was like a bad car accident on the highway...you wanted to look away but you couldn't.

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 16, 2007, 03:08:00 PM
i came to class hung over one morning and read straight from lexis headnotes.



You are my new hero!   ;D  I love it.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Thistle on June 16, 2007, 03:13:15 PM
READAHEAD&HAD2REFRESHMYMEMORYONTHESPOTP WNED = horror story  ???

You could've at least embelished for effect :D

Beats reading behind and having to refresh my memory of the future.   >:(

This I've seen happen, and man it was ugly. I felt so sorry for that poor girl. The prof. wouldn't let her off the hook.



It can get very ugly! Happened to my homegirl during the introduction of hearsay of Evidence.  We TRIED to save her.  No dice. Prof wasn't having it.  Longest 15 minutes ever.  It was like a bad car accident on the highway...you wanted to look away but you couldn't.




about 20 of us usually have an aim chatroom up.  when someone is unprepared or stuck, we send them the answers  :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: justGem on June 16, 2007, 03:25:33 PM
READAHEAD&HAD2REFRESHMYMEMORYONTHESPOTP WNED = horror story  ???

You could've at least embelished for effect :D

A brother tries to share a law school horror story and gets a critic. Sheesh.

I guess you don't find professors that stick with you and only you for an entire hour a problem even when you don't know the answers.  I needed that attitude during 1L.
Ok, I see I somehow missed the moral of the story.  Thanks for sharing.  ;)

So it's atypical to stick with one student?  Does it seem to happen only when that student appears to be unprepared or at random?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 16, 2007, 04:00:17 PM
READAHEAD&HAD2REFRESHMYMEMORYONTHESPOTP WNED = horror story  ???

You could've at least embelished for effect :D

A brother tries to share a law school horror story and gets a critic. Sheesh.

I guess you don't find professors that stick with you and only you for an entire hour a problem even when you don't know the answers.  I needed that attitude during 1L.
Ok, I see I somehow missed the moral of the story.  Thanks for sharing.  ;)

So it's atypical to stick with one student?  Does it seem to happen only when that student appears to be unprepared or at random?

It depends on the professor. I had one that picked one or maybe two for the day and if you were the only one, you were screwed. Luckily he was mean to most people because he hates legalese with an undying passion and made you sit there explaining yourself over and over until you could get it into basic language. It didn't seem that challenging to me since I've taught middle school, but at the end of the class, people still didn't get it. I think he wouldn't let in any "co-counsel" because he hated gunners with an undying passion.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: jillibean on June 16, 2007, 05:52:57 PM
about 20 of us usually have an aim chatroom up.  when someone is unprepared or stuck, we send them the answers  :D

I am SO doing this when classes start!  :D

oh awesome I idea- I'm all for getting my group together
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: justGem on June 16, 2007, 09:55:10 PM
about 20 of us usually have an aim chatroom up.  when someone is unprepared or stuck, we send them the answers  :D

I am SO doing this when classes start!  :D

oh awesome I idea- I'm all for getting my group together

Lol! But Professors (at least some) are fully aware that this goes on. This practice could ruin it for everybody.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/04/09/georgetown-law-prof-david-cole-no-laptops-for-you/  (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/04/09/georgetown-law-prof-david-cole-no-laptops-for-you/)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 17, 2007, 05:51:22 AM
I hear my school cuts off your internet access at times you're supposed to be in class.   >:(

You could ask one of the summer starters if it's true (and if it is true, that kind of sucks)

They say it is, but some people randomly don't get cut off.



I'm not sure how bad it is to not have wireless during class though - I tried taking notes on my laptop/surfing the net while studying abroad, and I didn't get anything out of the lecture. Of course, the teacher was talking rapidly in Spanish, so I never got much of the lecture anyway, but still :P

Getting rid of wireless isn't going to help anything. I had a few classes where the wireless connection was always terrible and the  class was just a gunner nightmare, so I just played a game I had on my computer instead. I had one professor who told us not to go on the internet, but we went on anyway and he knew it and made snide remarks about us going on. He's actually an excellent prof but there's only so much you can do to liven up civ pro.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 17, 2007, 05:54:46 AM
Piggy speaks the truth: no internet in our classes.  I resent the paternalism but welcome (what I assume is the resulting) higher quality of classroom participation. 

Besides, they haven't figured out to block Bonjour, so we Mac users can still rejoice in peer-to-peer goodness in a pinch. :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Thistle on June 17, 2007, 05:58:40 AM
about 20 of us usually have an aim chatroom up.  when someone is unprepared or stuck, we send them the answers  :D

I am SO doing this when classes start!  :D

oh awesome I idea- I'm all for getting my group together

Lol! But Professors (at least some) are fully aware that this goes on. This practice could ruin it for everybody.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/04/09/georgetown-law-prof-david-cole-no-laptops-for-you/  (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/04/09/georgetown-law-prof-david-cole-no-laptops-for-you/)


our sba got together and has proposed a "no ban" policy.  dean has not yet made a determination.


there is no correlation between no laptops and participation.  the gunners still gun.  other play on their blackberrys or send text messages
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: P.U.S.H on June 17, 2007, 07:00:46 AM
Been meaning to do this... *tag* :)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 17, 2007, 08:56:09 AM
about 20 of us usually have an aim chatroom up.  when someone is unprepared or stuck, we send them the answers  :D

I am SO doing this when classes start!  :D

oh awesome I idea- I'm all for getting my group together

Lol! But Professors (at least some) are fully aware that this goes on. This practice could ruin it for everybody.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/04/09/georgetown-law-prof-david-cole-no-laptops-for-you/  (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/04/09/georgetown-law-prof-david-cole-no-laptops-for-you/)

They can't stop us from texting though  ;D

Plus, I paid almost no attention in class before we had laptops, so it's not like people can't find other ways to goof off. If the professor does a good job, then people will be more likely to pay attention.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: slacker on June 17, 2007, 08:58:16 AM
The no-wireless thing is goofy. People will just go ahead and play bingo, or whatever, anyway. People who aren't going to pay attention can't be made to pay attention.

Not that paying attention and participating are negatives, but if someone is there and wants to waste their time and money, you can't force them to do otherwise.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 17, 2007, 10:03:52 AM
We had a couple of profs that banned laptops altogether from their classrooms.  Our SBA made a stink about it to the deans also but there has yet to be a determination on whether profs have to allow them or not.  So far the rule is, if the prof says it's out, then it's out.


Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 17, 2007, 11:57:18 AM
Really though...do professors actually think you are going to pay attention everyday for your entire matriculation at law school?  Even the best students dont have that kind of attention span.  I am the gadget queen (typing this pool-side on my mini-laptop) and I plan on bringing a few selections to class to keep me stimulated.  I am so praying we dont have that kind of ban at my school because that would greatly affect my attendance...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: The Poster on June 17, 2007, 12:19:12 PM
Piggy speaks the truth: no internet in our classes.  I resent the paternalism but welcome (what I assume is the resulting) higher quality of classroom participation. 

Besides, they haven't figured out to block Bonjour, so we Mac users can still rejoice in peer-to-peer goodness in a pinch. :D

fyi us summer starters have internet during class.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 17, 2007, 01:02:08 PM
Really though...do professors actually think you are going to pay attention everyday for your entire matriculation at law school?  Even the best students dont have that kind of attention span.  I am the gadget queen (typing this pool-side on my mini-laptop) and I plan on bringing a few selections to class to keep me stimulated.  I am so praying we dont have that kind of ban at my school because that would greatly affect my attendance...

Oh lots have really strict attendance policies too. I had one that docked you if you missed more than one day without an excuse. I had another that docked after 4 and the rest didn't seem to have any. Of course the strictest one ended at 4:15 on Fridays, so it's the one everyone wanted to skip the most.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: The Poster on June 17, 2007, 02:45:27 PM

fyi us summer starters have internet during class.

word was that only some of you do, and the rest can't figure out why or how.

hmm, that may be true. all i know is everyone's screen i see during class seems to be online. some people that's all they do.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 17, 2007, 02:51:56 PM
I'm all for doing your own thing as grown folk in class, but I never did understand the cats who would come to class soley to surf the net.  Even at a school like ours with a stupid attendance policy, just get somebody to sign you in and do that sh!t from home.  I would log into AIM just to tell people to sign me in, and then go back to sleep.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: The Poster on June 17, 2007, 02:57:12 PM
I'm all for doing your own thing as grown folk in class, but I never did understand the cats who would come to class soley to surf the net. Even at a school like ours with a stupid attendance policy, just get somebody to sign you in and do that sh!t from home. I would log into AIM just to tell people to sign me in, and then go back to sleep.

you had to sign in to class? yikes.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 17, 2007, 03:38:09 PM
man....don't even get me stared.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on June 17, 2007, 03:40:41 PM
I'm all for doing your own thing as grown folk in class, but I never did understand the cats who would come to class soley to surf the net.  Even at a school like ours with a stupid attendance policy, just get somebody to sign you in and do that sh!t from home. I would log into AIM just to tell people to sign me in, and then go back to sleep.

dead
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on June 17, 2007, 03:46:15 PM
I'm all for doing your own thing as grown folk in class, but I never did understand the cats who would come to class soley to surf the net.  Even at a school like ours with a stupid attendance policy, just get somebody to sign you in and do that sh!t from home.  I would log into AIM just to tell people to sign me in, and then go back to sleep.

LMAO...so true
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 17, 2007, 03:50:33 PM
I'm all for doing your own thing as grown folk in class, but I never did understand the cats who would come to class soley to surf the net.  Even at a school like ours with a stupid attendance policy, just get somebody to sign you in and do that sh!t from home. I would log into AIM just to tell people to sign me in, and then go back to sleep.

dead


By mid semester I just changed my screen name from "Burning Sands" to "Somebody Sign Me In" to increase sleep-in efficiency.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 17, 2007, 05:15:34 PM
I'm all for doing your own thing as grown folk in class, but I never did understand the cats who would come to class soley to surf the net.  Even at a school like ours with a stupid attendance policy, just get somebody to sign you in and do that sh!t from home. I would log into AIM just to tell people to sign me in, and then go back to sleep.

dead


By mid semester I just changed my screen name from "Burning Sands" to "Somebody Sign Me In" to increase sleep-in efficiency.

that is so gansta...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: slacker on June 17, 2007, 05:49:03 PM
Really though...do professors actually think you are going to pay attention everyday for your entire matriculation at law school?  Even the best students dont have that kind of attention span.  I am the gadget queen (typing this pool-side on my mini-laptop) and I plan on bringing a few selections to class to keep me stimulated.  I am so praying we dont have that kind of ban at my school because that would greatly affect my attendance...

Oh lots have really strict attendance policies too. I had one that docked you if you missed more than one day without an excuse. I had another that docked after 4 and the rest didn't seem to have any. Of course the strictest one ended at 4:15 on Fridays, so it's the one everyone wanted to skip the most.

I've had professors like that. Some that have breaks in the class have you sign in upon return from break.

Then again, one of my profs last year asked of the 3Ls if they were planning on skipping most classes, could they refrain from taking up a good spot on the seating chart.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Randy Savage on June 17, 2007, 06:07:08 PM
We've gotta to go to class, sign in, AND pay attention :(!?!? What have I gotten myself into :-\...

Really though I've calculated that each hour of class costs me $69 and change.  I admit I'll probably drift off too and do something else. If the Profs create policies that cause me to get my $$ worth;  I'll appreciate it.  That's why they get paid so much they need to make sure I learn something. 

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: slacker on June 18, 2007, 04:21:45 AM
I'm the anti-Matthies. I am an auditory learner. However, his point is quite valid. There are different ways to learn. Find the one that works for you.

Like the MBE. Doing the problems and getting them wrong helps reinforce the rules for me in a way that doesn't happen just by reading the outlines or creating my own outlines.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 18, 2007, 06:57:52 AM
Speaking of torts, this is hilarious:

Editorial
Bork v. Bork

There are many versions of the cliché that “a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged,” and Robert Bork has just given rise to another. A tort plaintiff, it turns out, is a critic of tort lawsuits who has slipped and fallen at the Yale Club.




i take it bork is a harvard grad....

*Buzzer*  Wrong.  He went to U.Chicago.  But he taught at Yale -- furthering my point about Yalies and their torts...lol
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Zam on June 18, 2007, 07:01:23 AM
How did I not already tag this thread?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Zam on June 18, 2007, 08:44:10 AM
i want some more horror stories.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 18, 2007, 10:47:19 AM
i want some more horror stories.

I agree.  I want to know whether anyone has ever fallen asleep in the library and got locked in for the night. Or if someone overslept on exam day.  Or is someone started dating another law school student only to find out if they were psycho.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Randy Savage on June 18, 2007, 10:48:15 AM
i want some more horror stories.

I agree.  I want to know whether anyone has ever fallen asleep in the library and got locked in for the night. Or if someone overslept on exam day.  Or is someone started dating another law school student only to find out if they were psycho.
Or cousins... :P
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: 2Lacoste on June 18, 2007, 11:06:34 AM
i want some more horror stories.

I agree.  I want to know whether anyone has ever fallen asleep in the library and got locked in for the night. Or if someone overslept on exam day.  Or is someone started dating another law school student only to find out if they were psycho.


Overslept and was late to both my Ks (fall) and Torts (spring) exams.  Lateness didn't affect my grade (Ks was my best grades, torts my worst).

Dated a non-law school girl and found her psycho.  Had to threaten a restraining order.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 18, 2007, 11:17:49 AM
My only real 1L horror story was my first apartment.  Rented sight-unseen through school website, but I saw "pictures."  Looked beautiful, and the roomies were a 26 yr. old professional and a 28 yr. old grad student, both male. 

Well.

The "pictures" were about 15 years old.  The house wasn't even recognizable from the pics.  The whole house reeked of stale beer and general filth.  There were two big dogs (that I didn't know about before signing the lease) living there before I got there with my two big dogs, for a total of about 350 lbs. of canine in one small house.  The "professional" was an overgrown manchild who liked to pretend that he was still in his teens, and was also the biggest slob I've even encountered.  Nice guy, but you wanted to shower after you'd been in his bedroom for a minute.  The "grad student" was a drunk, pure and simple.  Would drink 24 beers *by himself* in one sitting.  He also liked to cook elaborate meals and leave the dishes all over the kitchen for weeks.  Oh yeah, and he was an avid hunter who kept firearms lying around the house - always a good quality in a drunk. 

I moved out before second semester.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 18, 2007, 11:20:53 AM


Point of this story; find the study method that works for you. Whatever that might be. It does not have to be what the others in your class are doing, that may work for them, but it might not work for you. After first semester if you’re not happy with your grades, try a different strategy, not everybody learns the same. Don’t be afraid to try something that might work for you just because everyone else says you can’t do well that way, its BS. There is no one right way to do law school except the right way for you.



TITCR.

I studied crazy hours first semester during 1L.  Mostly out of 1L fear.  I've never studied that hard in my life and I was an engineering major in undergrad.  Ironically got some of the worst grades of my law school career during that semester.  Studied maybe 1/2 as much the very next semester, (mainly because I was burnt out from the first semester), sat around my house a lot, watched a lot of Law & Order on TV, went to the movies while others were studying, read what I had to read for each class on my own time, spoke up in class on those rare days when I knew something, got damn near straight A's and made law review.

Whatever works for you - do it.  This should not be confused with sitting back and doing absolutely nothing. I wasn't a total slacker, but I just discovered that all those late night hours briefing cases were not necessary to my ability to write an A exam in law school.  Rather, my time was better spent writing practice exams and reading E&E's to build my comprehension of what all those cases were (supposed to be) teaching me.


Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: CamelMan on June 18, 2007, 11:57:12 AM
tag
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 18, 2007, 12:06:41 PM
I wouldn't be able to oversleep for exams if I wanted to! 

I'm one of those people who's never experienced test anxiety in my life - just waltz in, cool as a cucumber, and do what needs to be done. 

Until law school.

I had such anxiety before my 1L exams - nothing too over the top, just your generic heart-pounding-nauseated-can't-sleep good times.  Even when I fell asleep the night before an exam, I think I always woke up at like 3 am and stared at the clock.  Barf. 

Hopefully that's out of my system now that my grades don't matter anymore.  :P
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: The Poster on June 18, 2007, 12:08:31 PM

fyi us summer starters have internet during class.

word was that only some of you do, and the rest can't figure out why or how.

hmm, that may be true. all i know is everyone's screen i see during class seems to be online. some people that's all they do.

Hush! ;)

I wasn't even thinking of you...honest! :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 18, 2007, 12:57:15 PM
How many hours per do did you guys really study as a 1L?  Did you go straight from class to the library until it closed?  Are we talking six or seven days a week of studying? 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 18, 2007, 01:42:57 PM
i want some more horror stories.

I agree.  I want to know whether anyone has ever fallen asleep in the library and got locked in for the night. Or if someone overslept on exam day.  Or is someone started dating another law school student only to find out if they were psycho.


Overslept and was late to both my Ks (fall) and Torts (spring) exams.  Lateness didn't affect my grade (Ks was my best grades, torts my worst).

Dated a non-law school girl and found her psycho.  Had to threaten a restraining order.

 :D

How many hours per do did you guys really study as a 1L?  Did you go straight from class to the library until it closed?  Are we talking six or seven days a week of studying? 

It ended up for me being about 3-4 hours outside of class for every class, so if class met 2 times a week I would need about 8 hours for that class a week. (except legal writing, that class took more time) FYI: For me that was 8 solid hours of studying, I set up outlook calendar for each class, so no net, phone nothing. If I did not I would procrastinate. I had two complete weekends off a month there abouts, till about a month before finals.

cosign but it was more at first.  Ask Sands and blk - I kept asking them "how long should it take me to read these *insert fav curse word here* cases?"  LOL.  Ahh...memories.  The occassional 14-16 hours in the library were fun too.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 18, 2007, 02:09:04 PM
How many hours per do did you guys really study as a 1L?  Did you go straight from class to the library until it closed?  Are we talking six or seven days a week of studying? 


That's how it was first semester.  That's pretty much how everybody will be b/c nobody knows any better.  I'll admit some of that time is necessary, but definitely not all of it. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: The Poster on June 18, 2007, 02:14:17 PM
How many hours per do did you guys really study as a 1L? Did you go straight from class to the library until it closed? Are we talking six or seven days a week of studying?


That's how it was first semester. That's pretty much how everybody will be b/c nobody knows any better. I'll admit some of that time is necessary, but definitely not all of it.

some of my classmates are up till midnight studying...others are up well passed midnight not studying.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: iman on June 18, 2007, 02:38:31 PM
i usually studied during the week between classes, after class, took a dinner break, and went back to studying, usually after midnight. then on the weekends i usually ended up working 8 hours/day on lr&w--but that usually meant that i went to bed early or went out that night, either one. i felt like if i used my weekends more wisely i could afford to take time off during the week, but that never really happened for me.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 18, 2007, 05:13:37 PM
i usually studied during the week between classes, after class, took a dinner break, and went back to studying, usually after midnight. then on the weekends i usually ended up working 8 hours/day on lr&w--but that usually meant that i went to bed early or went out that night, either one. i felt like if i used my weekends more wisely i could afford to take time off during the week, but that never really happened for me.

Ditto.

I would skip lunch to go study in the library before my afternoon classes.  Then after those classes, grab a quick bite and head to the library until midnight each night during the week.  On the weekends, I usually put in 10 to 12 hours each day.

I know what you're thinking...."Daaaaaamn it's like that?"  At first, yes.  Remember, you're learning a new language here, on top of a new way of thinking.  "Reading assignments" in law school are 10x more involved than they were in undergrad. You can't just read it to say you read it.  You have to read it to (1) understand it and (2) to be able to defend your understanding in class when called upon.

Case briefing took hours at first.  Writing LRW papers took days...for a friggin 3 page CLOSED memo. Sheesh.  By contrast, by the time you get to your 2L summer, you will be cranking out memo's twice that long on far more complicated topics in a matter of days, if not in a single day.  It's a process.  You get better.

You def could not jump straight into law school and try to be in 3L mode.  That would be a recipe for failure.  But the horror stories you hear like Iman's are very common.  Many many many hours will be spent during 1L trying to "get" the law.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Randy Savage on June 19, 2007, 06:01:42 AM
I plan to treat it like a 9-5 job.  Acutially 7:30am - 6pm with extra time anticipated in the evenings for LRW.  I hope to get time in the gym from 6:30pm - 7:30pm every day, work 10 - 6 on saturday, and put in 4 hours on sunday.  I have a dog i need to walk every morning. about 5 - 6. I'll solidify the times in my calander once I get to orientation and know my class schedule.  I'm extermely flexible though.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 19, 2007, 06:18:46 AM
I plan to treat it like a 9-5 job.  Acutially 7:30am - 6pm with extra time anticipated in the evenings for LRW.  I hope to get time in the gym from 6:30pm - 7:30pm every day, work 10 - 6 on saturday, and put in 4 hours on sunday.  I have a dog i need to walk every morning. about 5 - 6. I'll solidify the times in my calander once I get to orientation and know my class schedule.  I'm extermely flexible though.

That kind of schedule worked for me first semester, plus a few hours on the weekend.  I kept thinking, "what's supposed to be so hard about law school?"  It was busy, but not THAT intense.  Plenty of time to play with my pups, keep in touch with my friends, read non-law books.

Yeah.  2nd semester all bets were off.  We had an extra class, plus I realized that my section had had the (relatively) easier courses in the fall, which meant that the heavies were all in the spring.  9-5 job my ass - I was lucky to come up for air, ever. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 19, 2007, 06:31:19 AM
I plan to treat it like a 9-5 job.  Acutially 7:30am - 6pm with extra time anticipated in the evenings for LRW.  I hope to get time in the gym from 6:30pm - 7:30pm every day, work 10 - 6 on saturday, and put in 4 hours on sunday.  I have a dog i need to walk every morning. about 5 - 6. I'll solidify the times in my calander once I get to orientation and know my class schedule.  I'm extermely flexible though.

Now that sounds like a schedule I can keep. I typically hit the gym around 5 or 6am so I need to be in bed by midnight. Plus I refuse to get up before 9am on Saturday...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: FrankWhite on June 19, 2007, 08:51:53 AM
I plan to treat it like a 9-5 job.  Acutially 7:30am - 6pm with extra time anticipated in the evenings for LRW.  I hope to get time in the gym from 6:30pm - 7:30pm every day, work 10 - 6 on saturday, and put in 4 hours on sunday.  I have a dog i need to walk every morning. about 5 - 6. I'll solidify the times in my calander once I get to orientation and know my class schedule.  I'm extermely flexible though.

Now that sounds like a schedule I can keep. I typically hit the gym around 5 or 6am so I need to be in bed by midnight. Plus I refuse to get up before 9am on Saturday...


Yeah 10-12 hours on Saturday scares me. The week I'm not that concerned about I mean I work a full time job now so I'm used to that schedule. Altough its funny my body is so conditioned to waking up everyday that I automatically wake up early on Saturdays.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: iman on June 19, 2007, 09:17:04 AM
i knew people like this. it works for a little while, if you're really productive (i.e. don't check your email and sit in the quiet room and don't talk to nobody). but right around mid-semester with all of the lr&w projects coming up--it goes out the window for most. i'm mad that you're listening to a 0L though. :D trust, we all thought that we could keep a schedule. i'm less disciplined than some--but i really don't think my "schedule" was that out of the ordinary for first year. the only difference was whether i saw you going home from the library at night, you got to school at 6am, or you studied at home.

I plan to treat it like a 9-5 job.  Acutially 7:30am - 6pm with extra time anticipated in the evenings for LRW.  I hope to get time in the gym from 6:30pm - 7:30pm every day, work 10 - 6 on saturday, and put in 4 hours on sunday.  I have a dog i need to walk every morning. about 5 - 6. I'll solidify the times in my calander once I get to orientation and know my class schedule.  I'm extermely flexible though.

Now that sounds like a schedule I can keep. I typically hit the gym around 5 or 6am so I need to be in bed by midnight. Plus I refuse to get up before 9am on Saturday...

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: The Poster on June 19, 2007, 01:32:22 PM
I plan to treat it like a 9-5 job. Acutially 7:30am - 6pm with extra time anticipated in the evenings for LRW. I hope to get time in the gym from 6:30pm - 7:30pm every day, work 10 - 6 on saturday, and put in 4 hours on sunday. I have a dog i need to walk every morning. about 5 - 6. I'll solidify the times in my calander once I get to orientation and know my class schedule. I'm extermely flexible though.

That kind of schedule worked for me first semester, plus a few hours on the weekend. I kept thinking, "what's supposed to be so hard about law school?" It was busy, but not THAT intense. Plenty of time to play with my pups, keep in touch with my friends, read non-law books.

Yeah. 2nd semester all bets were off. We had an extra class, plus I realized that my section had had the (relatively) easier courses in the fall, which meant that the heavies were all in the spring. 9-5 job my ass - I was lucky to come up for air, ever.

which classes were so hard in 2nd semester?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 19, 2007, 02:24:20 PM
I plan to treat it like a 9-5 job. Acutially 7:30am - 6pm with extra time anticipated in the evenings for LRW. I hope to get time in the gym from 6:30pm - 7:30pm every day, work 10 - 6 on saturday, and put in 4 hours on sunday. I have a dog i need to walk every morning. about 5 - 6. I'll solidify the times in my calander once I get to orientation and know my class schedule. I'm extermely flexible though.

That kind of schedule worked for me first semester, plus a few hours on the weekend. I kept thinking, "what's supposed to be so hard about law school?" It was busy, but not THAT intense. Plenty of time to play with my pups, keep in touch with my friends, read non-law books.

Yeah. 2nd semester all bets were off. We had an extra class, plus I realized that my section had had the (relatively) easier courses in the fall, which meant that the heavies were all in the spring. 9-5 job my ass - I was lucky to come up for air, ever.

which classes were so hard in 2nd semester?

For me it was one class that had weekly assignments that usually took hours and professors that were pretty much unintelligible. First semester I had awesome professors and it was much easier to keep up.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 19, 2007, 03:39:19 PM
LRW....


'nuff said.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 19, 2007, 04:46:03 PM
LRW....


'nuff said.

Depends on the school. Mine was much, much easier second semester. I was finished by mid-March and only had to turn in one thing.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: slacker on June 19, 2007, 09:32:22 PM
LRW....


'nuff said.

Depends on the school. Mine was much, much easier second semester. I was finished by mid-March and only had to turn in one thing.
That's fortunate. Mine was about twice as tough second semester, and was worth one less credit hour.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 20, 2007, 04:34:20 AM
LRW....


'nuff said.

Depends on the school. Mine was much, much easier second semester. I was finished by mid-March and only had to turn in one thing.
That's fortunate. Mine was about twice as tough second semester, and was worth one less credit hour.

For some reason my school crams most of the stuff into the first semester, so we don't end up having much the second.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 20, 2007, 05:34:11 AM
I know right. See how the mind works! LOL We tend to gravitate towards those things that suit our needs despite our awarness of its negative outcome.

i knew people like this. it works for a little while, if you're really productive (i.e. don't check your email and sit in the quiet room and don't talk to nobody). but right around mid-semester with all of the lr&w projects coming up--it goes out the window for most. i'm mad that you're listening to a 0L though. :D trust, we all thought that we could keep a schedule. i'm less disciplined than some--but i really don't think my "schedule" was that out of the ordinary for first year. the only difference was whether i saw you going home from the library at night, you got to school at 6am, or you studied at home.

I plan to treat it like a 9-5 job.  Acutially 7:30am - 6pm with extra time anticipated in the evenings for LRW.  I hope to get time in the gym from 6:30pm - 7:30pm every day, work 10 - 6 on saturday, and put in 4 hours on sunday.  I have a dog i need to walk every morning. about 5 - 6. I'll solidify the times in my calander once I get to orientation and know my class schedule.  I'm extermely flexible though.

Now that sounds like a schedule I can keep. I typically hit the gym around 5 or 6am so I need to be in bed by midnight. Plus I refuse to get up before 9am on Saturday...

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: slacker on June 20, 2007, 05:46:58 AM
LRW....


'nuff said.

Depends on the school. Mine was much, much easier second semester. I was finished by mid-March and only had to turn in one thing.
That's fortunate. Mine was about twice as tough second semester, and was worth one less credit hour.

For some reason my school crams most of the stuff into the first semester, so we don't end up having much the second.
First semester was crammed, too. Just lots o' stuff.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 20, 2007, 06:52:11 AM
which classes were so hard in 2nd semester?

It's not that the classes were so hard, per se -- although imo Con Law and Contracts each required more work than, say, Torts or Civ Pro or Crim.  But we had a crazy LRW program 2nd semester: first motion was due less than 3 weeks into 2nd semester, the last assignment was due the last day of classes, and there wasn't that much of a break anywhere in between. 

Plus, my elective met three hours a night three days a week for the first month of the semester and had several hundreds of pages of reading assigned each week.  (Although it sure was nice during finals when I had one exam already out of the way!)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: iman on June 20, 2007, 09:12:19 AM
sands, why did this just happen to me? i got my grades and my worst grade in law school--this semester in a class i studied for consistently. i read for every class. answered questions in class, stayed after class, did practice tests, went through it with a study group and read unassigned cases. i am so upset. i must have made a big mistake on the exam. i swear i dreamt about the professor last night.  :'(


First horror story started before I even go into law school...I was accepted into law school and found out after I had quit my job that I could not get approved for private loans even with several different co-signers.  So in other words, I got into law school but couldn't afford to go.   >:(

Next horror story came at the end of the first semester of 1L when I got my first grade back in Crim Law, which was my strongest class based on my ability to effectively respond with the correct answer to my professor's barrage of socratic hazing on a daily basis, my familiarity with the MPC/Common Law distinctions, as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level.  Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.




Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Jolie Was Here on June 20, 2007, 09:45:07 AM
Chica!!  How are you, dahling?  When do you head to NY?

/hijack
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Eugene Young on June 20, 2007, 10:49:27 AM
I guess it would be asking too much for y'all to PM that.  :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 20, 2007, 11:41:08 AM
The ultimate kick in the pants is for ours, it was one grade for the whole year that was applied to both semesters, so when employers are looking at your transcript it looks like you made no improvement whatsoever from the fall LRW to the spring LRW.  Real nice eh?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: slacker on June 20, 2007, 12:20:33 PM
sands, why did this just happen to me? i got my grades and my worst grade in law school--this semester in a class i studied for consistently. i read for every class. answered questions in class, stayed after class, did practice tests, went through it with a study group and read unassigned cases. i am so upset. i must have made a big mistake on the exam. i swear i dreamt about the professor last night.  :'(


First horror story started before I even go into law school...I was accepted into law school and found out after I had quit my job that I could not get approved for private loans even with several different co-signers.  So in other words, I got into law school but couldn't afford to go.   >:(

Next horror story came at the end of the first semester of 1L when I got my first grade back in Crim Law, which was my strongest class based on my ability to effectively respond with the correct answer to my professor's barrage of socratic hazing on a daily basis, my familiarity with the MPC/Common Law distinctions, as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level.  Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.
Is it possible to speak to your prof. about the exam and ask what happened? I had a few that I just messed up. Most professors will tell you, esp. if you interacted in class, that they're aware you know the material. There was just something on the exam.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 20, 2007, 12:41:07 PM
sands, why did this just happen to me? i got my grades and my worst grade in law school--this semester in a class i studied for consistently. i read for every class. answered questions in class, stayed after class, did practice tests, went through it with a study group and read unassigned cases. i am so upset. i must have made a big mistake on the exam. i swear i dreamt about the professor last night.  :'(


First horror story started before I even go into law school...I was accepted into law school and found out after I had quit my job that I could not get approved for private loans even with several different co-signers.  So in other words, I got into law school but couldn't afford to go.   >:(

Next horror story came at the end of the first semester of 1L when I got my first grade back in Crim Law, which was my strongest class based on my ability to effectively respond with the correct answer to my professor's barrage of socratic hazing on a daily basis, my familiarity with the MPC/Common Law distinctions, as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level.  Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.





Sorry to hear, homie. It be's like that sometimes.  Shrug it off and keep it moving.  That's become my motto throughout law school.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on June 20, 2007, 12:46:23 PM
Shrug it off and keep it moving.  That's become my motto throughout law school.

Indeed.  Good motto for life, I say.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: iman on June 20, 2007, 01:13:24 PM
i'll talk to her when i get back to school. doesn't seem to make sense to email her now. its just hard to shrug it off when you know that you don't see yourself at a firm forever. for now, i'm just feeling pretty bad about myself. i know there is some luck involved, but at the same time, getting below a b has to mean that there was some kind of drastic mistake involved. but whatever. thanks for the advice...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 21, 2007, 09:23:16 AM
sands, why did this just happen to me? i got my grades and my worst grade in law school--this semester in a class i studied for consistently. i read for every class. answered questions in class, stayed after class, did practice tests, went through it with a study group and read unassigned cases. i am so upset. i must have made a big mistake on the exam. i swear i dreamt about the professor last night.  :'(


First horror story started before I even go into law school...I was accepted into law school and found out after I had quit my job that I could not get approved for private loans even with several different co-signers.  So in other words, I got into law school but couldn't afford to go.   >:(

Next horror story came at the end of the first semester of 1L when I got my first grade back in Crim Law, which was my strongest class based on my ability to effectively respond with the correct answer to my professor's barrage of socratic hazing on a daily basis, my familiarity with the MPC/Common Law distinctions, as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level.  Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.





No matter what, no matter where you go to school, no matter how hard you try there is a certain amount of random luck on law school exams you just can’t account for I think. That is what happens when you have a completely subjective exam graded by another human being who has good days and bad days just like us.

Most of the time it does not affect us, we get about what we think we deserve. Sometimes however, we bust our asses on an exam only to get  screwed. And when that happens, it sucks (like my B in crim law after I humped my butt on that class).

Yet, other times it gives you a gift in a grade you are absolutely stunned that you got (like my A this semester in a class I never paid attention to or even read the whole damn book for). Like it or not, there is a luck factor in law exams that we can’t account for no matter how hard we work, sometimes you’re the lucky one, sometimes your not. All we can do is be happy when it favors us and female dog when it kills us.



TITCR!!!


No doubt.  Straight up crap shoot damn near.  We had a joke during 1L on how our Crim Law prof graded our exams that, come to think of it, probably explains a lot.  They say he was the type of professor to throw the exams down the steps and whichever ones land at the top are the A's, the middle of the steps gets B's and the bottom are the C's.  After we got our grades back in that class that seemed to be fairly accurate.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on June 25, 2007, 09:56:33 AM


TITCR!!!


No doubt.  Straight up crap shoot damn near.  We had a joke during 1L on how our Crim Law prof graded our exams that, come to think of it, probably explains a lot.  They say he was the type of professor to throw the exams down the steps and whichever ones land at the top are the A's, the middle of the steps gets B's and the bottom are the C's.  After we got our grades back in that class that seemed to be fairly accurate.
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Theory hell! I'm damn-near convinced that is how it is done at all schools. There is no way in God Green's Earth I could go from being as low as I was 1st semester in Propert/CivPro/K's to getting the final grades I had at the end of the semester. No way, no how. It just can't be stastically possible.

What makes it so funny is that I studied LESS 2nd semester than I did 1st semester.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: queencruella on June 25, 2007, 02:54:13 PM


TITCR!!!


No doubt.  Straight up crap shoot damn near.  We had a joke during 1L on how our Crim Law prof graded our exams that, come to think of it, probably explains a lot.  They say he was the type of professor to throw the exams down the steps and whichever ones land at the top are the A's, the middle of the steps gets B's and the bottom are the C's.  After we got our grades back in that class that seemed to be fairly accurate.

Theory hell! I'm damn-near convinced that is how it is done at all schools. There is no way in God Green's Earth I could go from being as low as I was 1st semester in Propert/CivPro/K's to getting the final grades I had at the end of the semester. No way, no how. It just can't be stastically possible.

What makes it so funny is that I studied LESS 2nd semester than I did 1st semester.


It totallly seems to work that way, less I study, better I do. Maybe it has to do with not stressing out as much and just focusing on what is really important?
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Probably. I know my performance seems to be inversely proportional because I get more panicky the more I study. Plus attending those study sessions the profs have seems to make things even worse.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Thistle on June 25, 2007, 04:23:29 PM


TITCR!!!


No doubt.  Straight up crap shoot damn near.  We had a joke during 1L on how our Crim Law prof graded our exams that, come to think of it, probably explains a lot.  They say he was the type of professor to throw the exams down the steps and whichever ones land at the top are the A's, the middle of the steps gets B's and the bottom are the C's.  After we got our grades back in that class that seemed to be fairly accurate.

Theory hell! I'm damn-near convinced that is how it is done at all schools. There is no way in God Green's Earth I could go from being as low as I was 1st semester in Propert/CivPro/K's to getting the final grades I had at the end of the semester. No way, no how. It just can't be stastically possible.

What makes it so funny is that I studied LESS 2nd semester than I did 1st semester.
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i was exactly the same.  i didnt read from the time i began my appellate brief until the end of the semester and my gpa was .40 better than first semester.

i dont get it, but i'm not complaining
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: slacker on June 25, 2007, 04:31:09 PM
Over time, I think most move from the "study harder" to the "study smarter" model, which does take less time.

That said, I don't disagree at all that the grading of law school exams seems to have a high degree of subjectivity.

In some cases the professors have revealed their point distributions relative to the forced curves. There is generally not many points difference between the top and the bottom.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 25, 2007, 09:07:03 PM
Couldn't agree more on the study "smarter" model.  But, studying "smart" notwithstanding, it's almost impossible to do that your first semester.  For about 99% of 1L's, you just have no idea what the hell is important, what works, what doesn't work, etc.  You have to go through first semester to get to the prowess of slacking off second semester.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: slacker on June 25, 2007, 10:25:56 PM
By the third year, slacking off becomes an art form.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on June 26, 2007, 08:01:45 AM
Couldn't agree more on the study "smarter" model.  But, studying "smart" notwithstanding, it's almost impossible to do that your first semester.  For about 99% of 1L's, you just have no idea what the hell is important, what works, what doesn't work, etc.  You have to go through first semester to get to the prowess of slacking off second semester.

That's what really sucks, you don't know anythng 1st semester, but by the time you figure out what is going on, its too late to doing anything effective. You just have to wait until 2nd semester.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 26, 2007, 03:01:50 PM
Couldn't agree more on the study "smarter" model.  But, studying "smart" notwithstanding, it's almost impossible to do that your first semester.  For about 99% of 1L's, you just have no idea what the hell is important, what works, what doesn't work, etc.  You have to go through first semester to get to the prowess of slacking off second semester.

That's what really sucks, you don't know anythng 1st semester, but by the time you figure out what is going on, its too late to doing anything effective. You just have to wait until 2nd semester.

Not only that but your chances of employment, making moot court, making law review, and class ranking (if your school does ranking) are already 1/2 way determined by the "trial run" of 1st semester.  At that point, its usually too late for most to make any substantial improvements.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: slacker on June 26, 2007, 08:26:54 PM
The other thing that happens first year is some people who do well first semester never quite figure out why they did well, or something, and don't do as well second semester. It remains all a crapshoot.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: e-redwood on June 27, 2007, 08:48:47 AM
What about the part-timers?  Do yall think things pretty much work the same way for them too?  Or are things a bit more lax?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on June 27, 2007, 10:48:16 AM
To be honest, I have no idea how evening students get all this mess done and go to work all day and still finish law school in four years.  Crazy.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 27, 2007, 01:23:38 PM
     Outta everyone I met I only met 2 PTers.  Cool chicks somewhere up in middle FL.  According to them, it's more lax as far as deadlines a la Legal Writing go.  Also not as many "gunners" & dumb folks hiding books in the library (only like 1 or 2 in the FT section anyway) But otherwise it's madness. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on June 27, 2007, 01:44:14 PM
Random question but do we have any JD/MBAers in the bunch?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: e-redwood on June 27, 2007, 10:48:06 PM
Well luckily I will be in the part time division but I won't be actually working at all.....soIi guess that's a plus for me!  I've been out of school for 8 years so I thought it would be best to ease back in and take it slow.  I'm sure most of the people in my section will be working full time jobs so I'll just keep the fact that I'm not working at all to myself maybe? My school only allowed me in the program b/c I've been out of school for so long! Hopefully, I'll use the extra time to study and get back into the groove of school!!!

Thanks a bunch!  Sands and the rest of you taking the bar, good luck and I know you all will do well!  Like they say....a "D" is all you need....lol!

Good Luck and study hard!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: law_dawg_07 on June 28, 2007, 04:44:45 AM
Well luckily I will be in the part time division but I won't be actually working at all.....soIi guess that's a plus for me!  I've been out of school for 8 years so I thought it would be best to ease back in and take it slow.  I'm sure most of the people in my section will be working full time jobs so I'll just keep the fact that I'm not working at all to myself maybe? My school only allowed me in the program b/c I've been out of school for so long! Hopefully, I'll use the extra time to study and get back into the groove of school!!!

Thanks a bunch!  Sands and the rest of you taking the bar, good luck and I know you all will do well!  Like they say....a "D" is all you need....lol!

Good Luck and study hard!

No fair! Isn't that like cheating???  Lol..smart move.  I considered the PT program myself but couldnt do the 4/5 year deal...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: justGem on June 28, 2007, 01:18:05 PM
Well luckily I will be in the part time division but I won't be actually working at all.....soIi guess that's a plus for me!  I've been out of school for 8 years so I thought it would be best to ease back in and take it slow.  I'm sure most of the people in my section will be working full time jobs so I'll just keep the fact that I'm not working at all to myself maybe? My school only allowed me in the program b/c I've been out of school for so long! Hopefully, I'll use the extra time to study and get back into the groove of school!!!

Thanks a bunch!  Sands and the rest of you taking the bar, good luck and I know you all will do well!  Like they say....a "D" is all you need....lol!

Good Luck and study hard!

No fair! Isn't that like cheating???  Lol..smart move.  I considered the PT program myself but couldnt do the 4/5 year deal...

I wouldn't consider it cheating but it seems to be a divisive bone of contention among the part-timers I've talked to that also work full-time.  I'll be working full-time and could care less if my classmates are coming from their beds or from work when they arrive to class.  The issue most often raised is with the time allotted for writing assignments....the working pt'ers feel as though the non-workers have waaaay more time to complete assignments....which is true but hey.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 15, 2007, 12:37:55 AM
From stories friends have told me, I'll second what Sands and cui bono say.

My experience with study groups is that you can study together, help each other out, but don't do the work for other people. Far too often I've been in the situation where I was one of the few who had taken a great set of class notes, and then at the exam study sessions everyone wanted to pal up and "share notes," when they had maybe a page or two.

I suppose it primarily depends on how well you get along with your friends, if you jibe as far as the effort you each bring.

I think most of my real law school friends will be attending other schools anyhow :D


Here Here to the bolded & also to being friends w/ folks from other schools.  (which reminds me...a very good look to attend the Regional and National BLSA Conventions)

Cui,
My dad once said, "You can't be great and be liked by everybody. Figure out which one you want to be." I have found this to be very true. Shack those haters off, girl.

Your dad is right.  I've shaken them off and honestly, their behavior just does wonders for my ego.  LOL.  If I wasn't doing something right they wouldnt be trying to "steal my shine"  as my friend put it.   LOL-  Katt Williams said..."u should be greatful, you need haters...let the mf's do they goddam job...ladies, if you got 14 haters, you need to figure out how the f- to get to 16 before the summer gets here!"   Words to live by.   

Unfortunately my main "life friend", as Sands put it got kicked out  :'( due to low grades. I took it harder than she did! Got her all the info that she needed.  But she kinda lost the will to succeed and didn't want to make a big stink out of it.  We'll still be cool of course but it sucks that she isn't gonna be here.  I think it's better not to have too much emotionally invested and be "cool" with everybody.  That's my strategy now.  For me it wasn't that those 3 "ladies" were hating like that but the fact that it was those particular 3 ladies:  (1) they were black.  We should have been sticking together.  I thought that concept was universal  ??? (2)    I helped them out in major ways.  So I moreso felt betrayed.  LOL  @ Avatar's bus thing-  but very true.  It's very hard for me to trust ppl so once I do and then you do something to betray that then it's even harder to get that back.   Those 3 ppl are now buzzing around me trying to get back in my good graces.  Nah, homie, I'm good.   ;)  Not only that but they fail to realize that the black legal community is small and we will be running into each other down the road.  Would I ever recommend them to any potential client?  Hell no.  Would ppl recommend me? Probably yes.  And the thing is you never know who's watching you.  My mentor-  the guy that I approached that night-   has seen how they are and has said "would not look upon their resume favorably".  Some of our alum made the same statement about the same ppl.   You just finished your first year...how the heck do you have a bad professional reputation already?!  Must take talent to pull that off!  :D  LOL.     
   
But anyway, I just want you guys to be better prepared than I was. Need anything lemme know.  :)

That's awesome you gained a mentor. Just curious: What you talk about that impressed him so much?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 15, 2007, 07:55:28 AM
That's awesome you gained a mentor. Just curious: What you talk about that impressed him so much?


Well here's the thing I noticed:  The average 1L talks about how hard it is being a 1L.  I mean goes on and on and on.  A boo hoo story about how much work there is, how little sleep the 1L is getting, how it took some getting used to,blah blah blah. The attorney is gonna be put off by that. The attorney was once a 1L and has been there DONE THAT.  So what I did was first I got into what he was doing-  what type of attorney he was, why he chose that. Made it all about him.  I also gave him some kudos on a presentation well done that I saw. He was impressed that I saw it.  He was impressed that I remembered him and direct quotes of what he said (thing is always get ppl's business cards and write something on the back  that will jog ur memory about 'em, send a followup- "it was nice meeting you at that reception on saturday") I sized him up as soon as I saw him-  he'd be the ego maniac type.  Then...I just talked.  That's it.  I got into a regular conversation about...well, nothing. We talked about basketball, football, college football and how my beloved 'canes were losing.  We talked about my being from NY and how FL was kinda different.  Those hater girls were still standing there...didn't know what hit them.  There's him and me just vibing.  They get some "uh huhs" in but that's about it.  One of 'em tried to interrupt me and turn the convo back to "the woes of 1L like part deux" and he said "I'm sorry [cui bono] I didn't catch that what were u saying."   :D :D :D :D :D :D  Basically when u are shopping for mentors and also when u are networking for a job, no one wants to talk to/work with a stick in the mud.  You can get straight A's in law school but still not get a job if the partners do not feel that you could relate to the clients/bring more clients in.  And if u think about it, that kinda makes a lot of sense.  Put urself in their position.  Would u really want to hire some know-it-all got straight A's but no social skills that might put off some clients and coworkers OR a B/C student with excellent personal relations that both clients and coworkers can relate to on a personal level?

The thing that most won (he told me later) him over was the fact that I walked up to him, unafraid, made eye contact ON THE WAY OVER TO HIM in addition to the eye contact we made while we were speaking.  He liked the fact that I was bold, especially since I was black & female.  He said he didn't really see too much of that and that spawned another whole convo the next time we spoke. He liked the fact that I wouldn't always just go along with everything he said.  "I can see how you might think that BUT..."  Another thing he said was that he liked that I wasn't "showy".  I dominated the conversation (as oppossed to the other ladies there)   but wasn't trying to dominate the conversation, ya know? 

OH the other important thing.  Don't be talking for 3 hours!  Leave 'em wanting more.  The point at which I knew dude was impressed with me is when he called my name at the end of the reception from far away.  He wanted to talk some more-  he didn't feel obligated.  He called me out BY NAME loudly in front of everyone.  The other ladies were there and he said something to the effect "oh yeah, your name?"   I tell u this not to say "look how great I am" but to give you a valuable comparison.  1L boo hoo story= gets u nowhere; interesting convos about a whole bunch of nothing = mentor/mentee relatioship that'll last   

So now I have a few mentors.  Mostly black men.  Mostly in litigation. 
       
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: blk_reign on December 15, 2007, 08:12:08 AM
keep in mind that same process probably won't work with a blk female attorney... :-\ just keeping it real for the people...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 15, 2007, 08:38:00 AM
keep in mind that same process probably won't work with a blk female attorney... :-\ just keeping it real for the people...

I'd have to agree w/ u... for the most part it doesn't really work with black female attorneys as most of them kinda see through it.  For them, I'd say compliment but don't over compliment.  Like I have one mentor down here that I complimented because she was so passionate in her "speech" and we built it from there.   But the whiny-woe-is-me-as-a-poor-lowly-1L thing is even more true for black female attorneys-  no sympathy.  I can say that b/c I was a 1L and even I didn't wanna hear it.  My face always gave it away "(wo)Man up, homie". 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 15, 2007, 09:39:17 AM
That's awesome you gained a mentor. Just curious: What you talk about that impressed him so much?


Well here's the thing I noticed:  The average 1L talks about how hard it is being a 1L.  I mean goes on and on and on.  A boo hoo story about how much work there is, how little sleep the 1L is getting, how it took some getting used to,blah blah blah. The attorney is gonna be put off by that. The attorney was once a 1L and has been there DONE THAT.  So what I did was first I got into what he was doing-  what type of attorney he was, why he chose that. Made it all about him.  I also gave him some kudos on a presentation well done that I saw. He was impressed that I saw it.  He was impressed that I remembered him and direct quotes of what he said (thing is always get ppl's business cards and write something on the back  that will jog ur memory about 'em, send a followup- "it was nice meeting you at that reception on saturday") I sized him up as soon as I saw him-  he'd be the ego maniac type.  Then...I just talked.  That's it.  I got into a regular conversation about...well, nothing. We talked about basketball, football, college football and how my beloved 'canes were losing.  We talked about my being from NY and how FL was kinda different.  Those hater girls were still standing there...didn't know what hit them.  There's him and me just vibing.  They get some "uh huhs" in but that's about it.  One of 'em tried to interrupt me and turn the convo back to "the woes of 1L like part deux" and he said "I'm sorry [cui bono] I didn't catch that what were u saying."   :D :D :D :D :D :D  Basically when u are shopping for mentors and also when u are networking for a job, no one wants to talk to/work with a stick in the mud.  You can get straight A's in law school but still not get a job if the partners do not feel that you could relate to the clients/bring more clients in.  And if u think about it, that kinda makes a lot of sense.  Put urself in their position.  Would u really want to hire some know-it-all got straight A's but no social skills that might put off some clients and coworkers OR a B/C student with excellent personal relations that both clients and coworkers can relate to on a personal level?

The thing that most won (he told me later) him over was the fact that I walked up to him, unafraid, made eye contact ON THE WAY OVER TO HIM in addition to the eye contact we made while we were speaking.  He liked the fact that I was bold, especially since I was black & female.  He said he didn't really see too much of that and that spawned another whole convo the next time we spoke. He liked the fact that I wouldn't always just go along with everything he said.  "I can see how you might think that BUT..."  Another thing he said was that he liked that I wasn't "showy".  I dominated the conversation (as oppossed to the other ladies there)   but wasn't trying to dominate the conversation, ya know? 

OH the other important thing.  Don't be talking for 3 hours!  Leave 'em wanting more.  The point at which I knew dude was impressed with me is when he called my name at the end of the reception from far away.  He wanted to talk some more-  he didn't feel obligated.  He called me out BY NAME loudly in front of everyone.  The other ladies were there and he said something to the effect "oh yeah, your name?"   I tell u this not to say "look how great I am" but to give you a valuable comparison.  1L boo hoo story= gets u nowhere; interesting convos about a whole bunch of nothing = mentor/mentee relatioship that'll last   

So now I have a few mentors.  Mostly black men.  Mostly in litigation. 
       

Hahahahaha! BOOOO to the hater girls! Thank you so much for this! ::takes notes::
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 15, 2007, 01:07:11 PM
Hahahahaha! BOOOO to the hater girls! Thank you so much for this! ::takes notes::

LOL, boo is right! But ppl always get theirs.  No problem, the other thing I forgot to tell you is my mentor actually gave presentations about networking in the legal environment.   
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 15, 2007, 06:39:02 PM
Hahahahaha! BOOOO to the hater girls! Thank you so much for this! ::takes notes::

LOL, boo is right! But ppl always get theirs.  No problem, the other thing I forgot to tell you is my mentor actually gave presentations about networking in the legal environment.   

I like how you said to be "cool" with people and not to get too emotionlly invested (esp. during the 1st semester of 1L) I can't believe that one moocher guy that was all up on you for your outlines and even your study schedule! He couldn't do his own? lol...this ain't high school homie!
What is the best way to avoid situations like that? How can you be cool with people without being too cool
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 17, 2007, 08:13:13 AM
Hahahahaha! BOOOO to the hater girls! Thank you so much for this! ::takes notes::

LOL, boo is right! But ppl always get theirs.  No problem, the other thing I forgot to tell you is my mentor actually gave presentations about networking in the legal environment.   

I like how you said to be "cool" with people and not to get too emotionlly invested (esp. during the 1st semester of 1L) I can't believe that one moocher guy that was all up on you for your outlines and even your study schedule! He couldn't do his own? lol...this ain't high school homie!
What is the best way to avoid situations like that? How can you be cool with people without being too cool

That's actually something that I really struggled with. I was really emotionally invested in my local BLSA chapter and pretty much got burned.  I thought if I had something that would help others then why not help out?  When they needed something done it was "lets call [cui]" And I'd get it done but when I needed help with something...they were nowhere to be found.  Oh and that dude seemed to be doing it for other reasons as well-  he's the same dude I mentioned in the women's thread who ran (umm...literally; Call me Flo) after me "let me see your [chest]".  But that's besides the point. 

Best thing to do is realize what these ppl are doing.  They care about themselves.  Their career.  What they want.  As far as sharing information and supplements, I say hold back a bit.  Make sure it's 50/50 and share with one other person/few other people not the whole pack.  And share the things you've already mastered/don't need anymore.  It is not your responsibility to help them.  It is not your responsibility to relay information that they they can get themselves.  You don't want to be left holding the bag!  And them most important thing realize that they are a distraction-  and they dont even matter!  The exam is a dialogue between you and the professor.  And that's the only thing that counts.  Those other people can't write your exam.  Just don't let someone else take you out of your game-  you can always socialize later.  But before that, get your game face on! Additionally, it often happens that people you help out actually do better than you on the exam. 

And remember high school and college-  people you were cool with, people you hated,etc., once you graduated and saw them a year later, it didnt even matter, right?  Well, in law school, it's a little different but the principle is still the same.  The black legal community is small but it's not so small that you should feel forced into having a relationship with everyone.  Basically, you don't have to be friends with everyone.  But you do AT ALL TIMES need to be professional.  That's what folks rememeber when it's all said and done.  So I think the best way to ensure that you remain professional is to keep people at arms length at least initially until you see their character. 

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 17, 2007, 09:29:17 AM
Hahahahaha! BOOOO to the hater girls! Thank you so much for this! ::takes notes::

LOL, boo is right! But ppl always get theirs.  No problem, the other thing I forgot to tell you is my mentor actually gave presentations about networking in the legal environment.   

I like how you said to be "cool" with people and not to get too emotionlly invested (esp. during the 1st semester of 1L) I can't believe that one moocher guy that was all up on you for your outlines and even your study schedule! He couldn't do his own? lol...this ain't high school homie!
What is the best way to avoid situations like that? How can you be cool with people without being too cool

That's actually something that I really struggled with. I was really emotionally invested in my local BLSA chapter and pretty much got burned.  I thought if I had something that would help others then why not help out?  When they needed something done it was "lets call [cui]" And I'd get it done but when I needed help with something...they were nowhere to be found.  Oh and that dude seemed to be doing it for other reasons as well-  he's the same dude I mentioned in the women's thread who ran (umm...literally; Call me Flo) after me "let me see your [chest]".  But that's besides the point. 

Best thing to do is realize what these ppl are doing.  They care about themselves.  Their career.  What they want.  As far as sharing information and supplements, I say hold back a bit.  Make sure it's 50/50 and share with one other person/few other people not the whole pack.  And share the things you've already mastered/don't need anymore.  It is not your responsibility to help them.  It is not your responsibility to relay information that they they can get themselves.  You don't want to be left holding the bag!  And them most important thing realize that they are a distraction-  and they dont even matter!  The exam is a dialogue between you and the professor.  And that's the only thing that counts.  Those other people can't write your exam.  Just don't let someone else take you out of your game-  you can always socialize later.  But before that, get your game face on! Additionally, it often happens that people you help out actually do better than you on the exam. 

And remember high school and college-  people you were cool with, people you hated,etc., once you graduated and saw them a year later, it didnt even matter, right?  Well, in law school, it's a little different but the principle is still the same.  The black legal community is small but it's not so small that you should feel forced into having a relationship with everyone.  Basically, you don't have to be friends with everyone.  But you do AT ALL TIMES need to be professional.  That's what folks rememeber when it's all said and done.  So I think the best way to ensure that you remain professional is to keep people at arms length at least initially until you see their character. 



Good looking out Cui! I've learned so much from you...thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 18, 2007, 08:01:51 AM

Good looking out Cui! I've learned so much from you...thanks!  :)


no prob.  glad to help  :)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 18, 2007, 11:26:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHEBABE6PU
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 18, 2007, 11:36:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHEBABE6PU

classic!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 18, 2007, 11:42:40 AM
I haven't actually seen the movie; I plan to one day.  But that scene wasn't that scary (or that far off, really, for the current old-line cold callers).  Lol what a wuss for throwing up.  Or maybe I've just become jaded...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 18, 2007, 11:58:03 AM
There was a brother from Harvard Law who taught torts at my school - he made this one chick cry right there in the middle of class for not knowing her stuff.  He was def known to be a Kingsfield.  He actually had mad respect by a lot of students and faculty for being such a hard ass.  He was kool in my book - I can respect a teacher that challenges their students.  The lecturers always ended up being my worst grades in law school.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 18, 2007, 05:03:01 PM
yeah everybody's fav 1L professor at my school was a little bald man that was known for being tough; least fav was a professor that made power point slides. 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 18, 2007, 06:58:13 PM
There was a brother from Harvard Law who taught torts at my school - he made this one chick cry right there in the middle of class for not knowing her stuff.  He was def known to be a Kingsfield.  He actually had mad respect by a lot of students and faculty for being such a hard ass.  He was kool in my book - I can respect a teacher that challenges their students.  The lecturers always ended up being my worst grades in law school.

Cry?!? Yikes! Gotta be strong for the socratic! lol
::tells self never to cry in law school::
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on December 18, 2007, 07:42:13 PM
There was a brother from Harvard Law who taught torts at my school - he made this one chick cry right there in the middle of class for not knowing her stuff.  He was def known to be a Kingsfield.  He actually had mad respect by a lot of students and faculty for being such a hard ass.  He was kool in my book - I can respect a teacher that challenges their students.  The lecturers always ended up being my worst grades in law school.

Cry?!? Yikes! Gotta be strong for the socratic! lol
::tells self never to cry in law school::

It definitely depends on your class and your professor.  None of my classes this semester were hard-core socratic.  The class that was most socratic was also the one where the prof had the powerpoint.  Another prof would one person questions but also allowed other people to answer and didn't make a big deal out of it if you didn't know.  The third prof told us to just yell out our answers/questions.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 19, 2007, 06:24:50 AM
There was a brother from Harvard Law who taught torts at my school - he made this one chick cry right there in the middle of class for not knowing her stuff.  He was def known to be a Kingsfield.  He actually had mad respect by a lot of students and faculty for being such a hard ass.  He was kool in my book - I can respect a teacher that challenges their students.  The lecturers always ended up being my worst grades in law school.

Cry?!? Yikes! Gotta be strong for the socratic! lol
::tells self never to cry in law school::

LOL I def got it handed to me when I first started and wasn't reading closely enough.  I didn't remember where exactly in the house that dude gave his maid access to as he was dying. (which is important in determining whether it was a public area vs. private area of the house, fyi)  But I did remember that there were accusations of hanky panky going on btw them by the guy's kids but danced around the issue.  "well u know...when it's an older man, younger woman in a house..u know, "together"...in those days...umm,... give rise to ...u know..."suspicions" and...uhhh...u know...a Anna Nicole Smith-esque...uhh... situation"   :D
So I got reamed a new one but in a funny way. But crying?!  Nah, man.  Not that serious.     
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: shaz on December 19, 2007, 08:13:27 AM
My Horror Story:

I finally complete my last paper of the semester (two research and two take-homes) and submit it at 5:20 (20 minutes after the 5:00 deadline). I run to a bar and get hammered. Spend the rest of the weekend veging out, cleaning my apt, and packing for my train ride home.

Sunday I head to the train station for my 11:59 pm departure from Toledo, ohio to Philly. When I get there they tell me the train will be 4 hours late because of weather. I don't get home until monday evening. When I walk in the door, the only thing I want to do is sleep.

Tuesday afternoon I decide to check my email:

Mr. Shaz,

Unfortunately I was unable to open your attachmed file. Could you please bring me a hard copy?



OMG! I'm in Philly!

(It worked out though. I explained my situation and re-emailed the file. I'm so glad I decided to bring my computer home.  ...but for a minute there...)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 19, 2007, 08:15:38 AM
Yikes!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 19, 2007, 12:27:33 PM
There was a brother from Harvard Law who taught torts at my school - he made this one chick cry right there in the middle of class for not knowing her stuff.  He was def known to be a Kingsfield.  He actually had mad respect by a lot of students and faculty for being such a hard ass.  He was kool in my book - I can respect a teacher that challenges their students.  The lecturers always ended up being my worst grades in law school.

Cry?!? Yikes! Gotta be strong for the socratic! lol
::tells self never to cry in law school::


Just come prepared and you're straight.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 19, 2007, 12:54:53 PM
The thing is the person's a professor...u are just/u will be just a 1L, s/he knows more than you.  And eventually s/he may ask you something that you don't know/don't realize immediately.  Because of that reason, I dropped the nervousness.  What's the point in being nervous?  It's gonna happen.   
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on December 20, 2007, 07:12:47 PM
DON'T LET THESE PROFESSORS PUNK YOU!

That's what they want to do. They want to get you all flustered so that you start doubting yourself and answer you just gave and create the whole "hazing" experience of 1L year.

You don't know *&^%

Your grade ain't gonna be better just b/c you answer the question correctly in class.

This Professor has been teaching the same subject and the same topic for 10-15 maybe 20 years.


Therefore, there really ain't nuthin' you can do. Just suck it up and take the L.

When I did get called on, I gave the best, honest answer I could think of. It's either right or wrong, if I'm wrong, then I take the charge and keep it movin'.

You ain't my momma, you ain't my daddy, so you ain't gonna whup my ass if I get the wrong answer. You can either re-phrase your question so I can answer it, or call on someone else.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 20, 2007, 07:43:08 PM
One sister in my class never spoke, and when she got called on she never appeared to be prepared to say anything in class and she usually tried to pass at all costs.  She later went on to make Law Review with me at the end of our 1L, graduated with high honors and is now working for the #1 firm in Jersey.

One guy in my class always had something to say whether he was called on or not (you know the type, loud as a motor bike...), and when he spoke he would monologue about his opinions on life (most of them irrelevant to class discussion) using the most verbose vocabulary possible to clearly demonstrate his obvious intellectual superiority over the rest of us.  He dropped out of law school after the first semester grades came back.



Moral of the story - when it comes to class participation don't always believe the hype.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 20, 2007, 07:58:34 PM
Moral of the story - when it comes to class participation don't always believe the hype.

Amen.  And besides, I'd rather hear what the prof I'm paying thousands of dollars has to say rather than one of my classmates who knows just as little as I do.  As such, I don't talk that much in class myself.  Intelligent comments are always good, but I really don't want to hear your theory about X that you thought of while reading last night.  Do a research paper and get back to me.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 21, 2007, 07:35:24 AM
Moral of the story - when it comes to class participation don't always believe the hype.

Amen.  And besides, I'd rather hear what the prof I'm paying thousands of dollars has to say rather than one of my classmates who knows just as little as I do.  As such, I don't talk that much in class myself.  Intelligent comments are always good, but I really don't want to hear your theory about X that you thought of while reading last night.  Do a research paper and get back to me.

speak on it!

If the person appears to be a know-it-all, s/he's usually a know-nothing.  I had one person my first year who always rose his hand to tell the whole class that he made up his own hypo and wanted to know what the class thought about HIS hypo.  I'd always LOL @ his Surfer dude approach:  "so... like, dude (meaning the professor), what if like, it was like, 80 widgets instead of...like...50 or whatever you just said... and it was like 2 weeks later instead of like..dude...I forgot what I was gonna...like...say...okay, okay...instead of like 1 week later...like, what result then?"   :D  Pure comedy.

In my Evidence class (2L class so mind u this gunner-phenomenon does not stop as a 1L), one lady kept on quite loudly voicing her opinion on the FREs.  Aint no body cared what she thought about hearsay and all of us at one point rolled our eyes and sucked our teeth at her (not very professional, I'll admit but damn she was annoying).  The professor was a lecturer and all of a sudden you hear a loud booming Island voice from the back bitchin about some rule like the professor's the one who wrote it.  She ended up getting a C in the class.   
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 21, 2007, 10:02:18 AM
My story on gunners for the 1L's...




Our school was split up into two overall tracks - the early track (starting at 8am) and the late track (starting at 10).  Needless to say, I was in the late track.   The early track tended to be full of gunners.  The King Gunner, this kid who was related to one of the deans of the law school, had made a reputation for himself by the end of first semester.  In all of his classes, whenever the class was over, instead of rushing to the podium to talk to the professor like most law students do, the cats in his class would actually rush over to him to seek their daily explanations of the substantive law.

What pissed me off about that was that the black students in the early track were some of the main ones seeking knowledge from this kid instead of from their professors.  When we would get together for study groups, they would often start their conversations by saying "Well [King Gunner] said that..."

R U Serious?  I don't care what King Gunner said or didn't say.  Stop asking another law student about the law. You guys are killin me.


So second semester rolls around and they mix the tracks up, so for the first time early trackers mix with late trackers.   Wouldn't you know it, I had Civ Pro with King Gunner.  For the first few weeks I saw this kid espouse about his legal pontifications with authority, however my Civ Pro professor, a Yalie, was the type of professor who knew his stuff down cold and didn't stand for irrelevant comments or grandstanding in his classroom.  Nearly every time King Gunner would raise his hand to speak on something, the professor would have to clean it up at the end with a "I think you meant to say _____."  But even when he would clean up King Gunner's comments, the black students in my class were still of the belief that he was omniscient. (King Gunner that is, not my Civ Pro professor who had practiced the law for 10 years)

This continued throughout the first 2 months.  I made up my mind that this foolishness had to stop.  So I finished whatever LRW paper I was working on at the time a whole week early to get it out of the way, and then I sat down with the Civ Pro E&E , the EZ Rules, my case book, a few law review articles on Civ Pro, and the Civ Pro Flash Cards for a week straight every day, soaking it in.  Monday rolls around.  The topic - Personal Jurisdiction.  I remember that damn thing like yesterday.

So the class gets going.  King Gunner does his usual routine - which is to let the class fumble about for 10-15 minutes in the dark before he chimes in with his intelligent sounding answer and emerges as the truth and the light yet again.  Not this time, folks.  The class has their back and forth about personal jurisdiction...no strong points are made...enter King Gunner stage left with what appeared, for a moment, to be the award winning statement of the day.  Before he concluded I quickly recognized the hole in his argument based on all that I had read, and so I calmly and quietly raised my hand to expose it to the rest of the class.  The Professor calls on me.  "Actually, that's incorrect because...." 

Silence   :o

My professor plays right along and turns it back to King Gunner to defend himself:  "Do you have a rebuttal for [Mr. Sands]?"

King Gunner, not used to being challenged, comes back with a nice attempted save, but its not enough because I specifically read something to the opposite of his second argument.

My professor turns to the right: "[Mr. Sands], can you dispute [Mr. Gunner's] point here?"

"Actually I can because [Mr. Gunner] is confusing this issue with the issue that the Court has consistently emphasized since Shoe.  Personal Jurisdiction must be taken from the perspective of the defendant's 14th amendment right to Due Process, not the plaintiff's as [Mr. Gunner] stated."

Silence.  :o

You could feel the class waiting to see if that was actually correct or if I was just blowing smoke up everybody's ass.  I particularly noticed that the black students in my class who had previously been playing solitare or shopping on e-bay a minute ago were now paying full attention since one of "us" had dared to take on the ever knowing King Gunner, who was, after all, the source of all substantive legal knowledge in their minds up until that point.

My professor doesn't even turn back to King Gunner to get a response.  The Prof just simply says, "that is correct, [Mr. Sands]," and moves on to his next lecture point.

You could see several classmates looking around at each other with eyebrows raised high, eyes wide open, and looks on their faces like "daaaaaaaaamn!"  I looked over and saw King Gunner flipping rapidly through his case book, trying to cook up a rebuttal, but he didn't speak again for the rest of that class, and didn't have too much to say for the rest of the semester either as I recall.





What was most interesting to me about that day are the reactions I got from my fellow students after class ended. From the white students, I got comments like "thank God somebody finally shut that guy up, he was getting on my nerves" which I took to mean that many of them had not been deceived by his intellectual smoke and mirror show.  From the black students, however, I got comments like "son, how the hell did you do that?"  >:( >:( >:(

It was one of the more memorable yet bitter/sweet moments of my law school career.





Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 21, 2007, 10:12:48 AM
dead.

and SMH at the blk folks....
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 21, 2007, 10:26:15 AM
Lol good story, sands
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 21, 2007, 11:45:30 AM
My story on gunners for the 1L's...




Our school was split up into two overall tracks - the early track (starting at 8am) and the late track (starting at 10).  Needless to say, I was in the late track.   The early track tended to be full of gunners.  The King Gunner, this kid who was related to one of the deans of the law school, had made a reputation for himself by the end of first semester.  In all of his classes, whenever the class was over, instead of rushing to the podium to talk to the professor like most law students do, the cats in his class would actually rush over to him to seek their daily explanations of the substantive law.

What pissed me off about that was that the black students in the early track were some of the main ones seeking knowledge from this kid instead of from their professors.  When we would get together for study groups, they would often start their conversations by saying "Well [King Gunner] said that..."

R U Serious?  I don't care what King Gunner said or didn't say.  Stop asking another law student about the law. You guys are killin me.


So second semester rolls around and they mix the tracks up, so for the first time early trackers mix with late trackers.   Wouldn't you know it, I had Civ Pro with King Gunner.  For the first few weeks I saw this kid espouse about his legal pontifications with authority, however my Civ Pro professor, a Yalie, was the type of professor who knew his stuff down cold and didn't stand for irrelevant comments or grandstanding in his classroom.  Nearly every time King Gunner would raise his hand to speak on something, the professor would have to clean it up at the end with a "I think you meant to say _____."  But even when he would clean up King Gunner's comments, the black students in my class were still of the belief that he was omniscient. (King Gunner that is, not my Civ Pro professor who had practiced the law for 10 years)

This continued throughout the first 2 months.  I made up my mind that this foolishness had to stop.  So I finished whatever LRW paper I was working on at the time a whole week early to get it out of the way, and then I sat down with the Civ Pro E&E , the EZ Rules, my case book, a few law review articles on Civ Pro, and the Civ Pro Flash Cards for a week straight every day, soaking it in.  Monday rolls around.  The topic - Personal Jurisdiction.  I remember that damn thing like yesterday.

So the class gets going.  King Gunner does his usual routine - which is to let the class fumble about for 10-15 minutes in the dark before he chimes in with his intelligent sounding answer and emerges as the truth and the light yet again.  Not this time, folks.  The class has their back and forth about personal jurisdiction...no strong points are made...enter King Gunner stage left with what appeared, for a moment, to be the award winning statement of the day.  Before he concluded I quickly recognized the hole in his argument based on all that I had read, and so I calmly and quietly raised my hand to expose it to the rest of the class.  The Professor calls on me.  "Actually, that's incorrect because...." 

Silence   :o

My professor plays right along and turns it back to King Gunner to defend himself:  "Do you have a rebuttal for [Mr. Sands]?"

King Gunner, not used to being challenged, comes back with a nice attempted save, but its not enough because I specifically read something to the opposite of his second argument.

My professor turns to the right: "[Mr. Sands], can you dispute [Mr. Gunner's] point here?"

"Actually I can because [Mr. Gunner] is confusing this issue with the issue that the Court has consistently emphasized since Shoe.  Personal Jurisdiction must be taken from the perspective of the defendant's 14th amendment right to Due Process, not the plaintiff's as [Mr. Gunner] stated."

Silence.  :o

You could feel the class waiting to see if that was actually correct or if I was just blowing smoke up everybody's ass.  I particularly noticed that the black students in my class who had previously been playing solitare or shopping on e-bay a minute ago were now paying full attention since one of "us" had dared to take on the ever knowing King Gunner, who was, after all, the source of all substantive legal knowledge in their minds up until that point.

My professor doesn't even turn back to King Gunner to get a response.  The Prof just simply says, "that is correct, [Mr. Sands]," and moves on to his next lecture point.

You could see several classmates looking around at each other with eyebrows raised high, eyes wide open, and looks on their faces like "daaaaaaaaamn!"  I looked over and saw King Gunner flipping rapidly through his case book, trying to cook up a rebuttal, but he didn't speak again for the rest of that class, and didn't have too much to say for the rest of the semester either as I recall.





What was most interesting to me about that day are the reactions I got from my fellow students after class ended. From the white students, I got comments like "thank God somebody finally shut that guy up, he was getting on my nerves" which I took to mean that many of them had not been deceived by his intellectual smoke and mirror show.  From the black students, however, I got comments like "son, how the hell did you do that?"  >:( >:( >:(

It was one of the more memorable yet bitter/sweet moments of my law school career.







Nice work! lol @ him flipping through the pages...HA!
Why would anyone look to another student as an authoritative source?
and WHY would people shop on ebay during law school classes?!?!?  :o
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 21, 2007, 03:24:22 PM
and WHY would people shop on ebay during law school classes?!?!?  :o

LMAO.  Spoken like a true non-law-student. I do some of my best internet surfing in class.  Fed Cts. was designated facebook scrabulous time.  Ask Miss P ;)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 21, 2007, 03:36:05 PM


Nice work! lol @ him flipping through the pages...HA!
Why would anyone look to another student as an authoritative source?
and WHY would people shop on ebay during law school classes?!?!?  :o

 :)

1- 1Ls are the most neurotic folks you will ever meet in your entire life!  Most of 'em anyway.  As a 1L you're in a situation that you have never been in before.  Naturally, you look to people who you think have it together...the only thing you THINK you have to go on is class participation.  1Ls are weird, self-destructing creatures.  They are too scared to go up to the professor, too scared to make friends with upperclassmen, etc. 

Why would ppl shop?  Here's where I gotta draw from LEEWS and PLS II, in a class that lasts about an hour - hour and half, about 15 mins worth will actually be worth writing down. Which 15 mins?  Well that's the key. Some gems come from the professor and some of the gems come from other students.  Deciphering that info is on you. But the ABA has an attendance requirement for a reason!  No one would go if they didn't.  I wouldn't have gone if they didn't!   So some ppl shop, others IM, others go on BLSD, etc.  Now some ppl do it and honestly have a mastery of the material, some ppl do it to fake like they have a mastery of the material, and some ppl do it just because they really dont care about law school (my homegyrl that sat next to me never read a single case nor a stich of outline; wasn't just saying that to fake me out, she really didnt); most are just bored tho  ;) 
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 21, 2007, 04:16:45 PM
and WHY would people shop on ebay during law school classes?!?!?  :o

LMAO.  Spoken like a true non-law-student. I do some of my best internet surfing in class.  Fed Cts. was designated facebook scrabulous time.  Ask Miss P ;)

LOL @ best internet surfing in class!! (btw, I LOVE scrabulous on facebook!) Guess I won't know until I get there!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: I am Penny Lane on December 21, 2007, 06:02:54 PM
This thread is killer!

Tag.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 21, 2007, 08:53:37 PM
and WHY would people shop on ebay during law school classes?!?!?  :o

LMAO.  Spoken like a true non-law-student. I do some of my best internet surfing in class.  Fed Cts. was designated facebook scrabulous time.  Ask Miss P ;)

LOL right.  Girl you will see soon enough - folks do more web-surfing in class than anything.  It is the talented student who can surf the web, respond intelligently when called on by the prof, and then hop right back to surfing the web again without missing a beat. :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on December 21, 2007, 10:02:04 PM
and WHY would people shop on ebay during law school classes?!?!?  :o

LMAO.  Spoken like a true non-law-student. I do some of my best internet surfing in class.  Fed Cts. was designated facebook scrabulous time.  Ask Miss P ;)

LOL right.  Girl you will see soon enough - folks do more web-surfing in class than anything.  It is the talented student who can surf the web, respond intelligently when called on by the prof, and then hop right back to surfing the web again without missing a beat. :D

Lol, that's me!  The girl who sits behind me in civ pro came up to me after one class because she could see that I was surfing the net and thought I would choke when the prof called on me.  Instead I calmly answered his questions correctly, made sure he was done with me, then went back to shopping.  I've even bought plane tickets in class!  :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on December 21, 2007, 10:04:12 PM


Nice work! lol @ him flipping through the pages...HA!
Why would anyone look to another student as an authoritative source?
and WHY would people shop on ebay during law school classes?!?!?  :o

 :)

1- 1Ls are the most neurotic folks you will ever meet in your entire life!  Most of 'em anyway.  As a 1L you're in a situation that you have never been in before.  Naturally, you look to people who you think have it together...the only thing you THINK you have to go on is class participation.  1Ls are weird, self-destructing creatures.  They are too scared to go up to the professor, too scared to make friends with upperclassmen, etc. 

Why would ppl shop?  Here's where I gotta draw from LEEWS and PLS II, in a class that lasts about an hour - hour and half, about 15 mins worth will actually be worth writing down. Which 15 mins?  Well that's the key. Some gems come from the professor and some of the gems come from other students.  Deciphering that info is on you. But the ABA has an attendance requirement for a reason!  No one would go if they didn't.  I wouldn't have gone if they didn't!   So some ppl shop, others IM, others go on BLSD, etc.  Now some ppl do it and honestly have a mastery of the material, some ppl do it to fake like they have a mastery of the material, and some ppl do it just because they really dont care about law school (my homegyrl that sat next to me never read a single case nor a stich of outline; wasn't just saying that to fake me out, she really didnt); most are just bored tho  ;) 

Please don't generalise, because that description doesn't fit anyone I know.  We're all about getting advice from upperclassmen and definitely not scared of the profs.  In fact, a group of students regularly took a bottle of wine or vodka to one prof's office hours!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 22, 2007, 09:59:15 AM


Nice work! lol @ him flipping through the pages...HA!
Why would anyone look to another student as an authoritative source?
and WHY would people shop on ebay during law school classes?!?!?  :o

 :)

1- 1Ls are the most neurotic folks you will ever meet in your entire life!  Most of 'em anyway.  As a 1L you're in a situation that you have never been in before.  Naturally, you look to people who you think have it together...the only thing you THINK you have to go on is class participation.  1Ls are weird, self-destructing creatures.  They are too scared to go up to the professor, too scared to make friends with upperclassmen, etc. 

Why would ppl shop?  Here's where I gotta draw from LEEWS and PLS II, in a class that lasts about an hour - hour and half, about 15 mins worth will actually be worth writing down. Which 15 mins?  Well that's the key. Some gems come from the professor and some of the gems come from other students.  Deciphering that info is on you. But the ABA has an attendance requirement for a reason!  No one would go if they didn't.  I wouldn't have gone if they didn't!   So some ppl shop, others IM, others go on BLSD, etc.  Now some ppl do it and honestly have a mastery of the material, some ppl do it to fake like they have a mastery of the material, and some ppl do it just because they really dont care about law school (my homegyrl that sat next to me never read a single case nor a stich of outline; wasn't just saying that to fake me out, she really didnt); most are just bored tho  ;) 

Please don't generalise, because that description doesn't fit anyone I know.  We're all about getting advice from upperclassmen and definitely not scared of the profs.  In fact, a group of students regularly took a bottle of wine or vodka to one prof's office hours!

That def didn't describe a lot of the cats at my school either.  We were all about bugging upperclassmen for stuff.  In fact, I didn't buy one casebook during my first semester - all hand me downs from upperclassmen. 

And when I wasn't bugging upperclassmen I was in office hours talking about "Hey Prof, can you take a loot at this exam I wrote out? Great, thanks."

There is a fear factor to 1L for sure, but that's a given.  Once you accept that you either sink or swim.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on December 22, 2007, 03:04:52 PM
SPEAKING OF SURFING THE INTERNET IN CLASS

I never had a problem about of any of my classmates until the beginning of my 2L year. So I'm in Admin Law surfin' inna'nets for two things:

1. The book for the class cuz I signed up late.
2. A B-day gift for my girl.

So as I said, I didn't have my book b/c I had just signed up for the class and I had already explained the situation to the Professor. So there was nothing I could do aside from taking notes whenever the Prof. or student said something thatI understood.

So after class gets out, I'm sitting down at my laptop when all of a sudden I get an e-mail entitled, "Adminstrative Law Class Internet Surfing"

Instantly I'm thinking it was sent from my Professor or the IT Dept. So I open it up and quickly realize 3 things:

1. It ain't from any Professor.
2. It's from a student
3. It's addressed directly to me.

The letter read:

If you want to surf the internet during class, I think (although the Law School certainly disagrees with this) that it's certainly your prerogative to do so, IF it's not distracting other people who are trying to pay attention to
class. If you are going to do so, however, think that the courteous thing to do is to move toward the back of the room so that individuals (such as myself) who would prefer to not have teddy bears on EBay, cartoons, your Facebook profile, etc. popping up on a screen two feet in front of them while they are trying to pay attention to Professor XYZ have that option. I really don't want/mean to make a huge deal out of this and it is certainly nothing personal, as I don't know you, but I have intentionally chosen to sit up close to pay attention and your internet surfing is distracting to me in my efforts to do that. It is also technically in violation of Law School rules. That being the case, I really don't think the onus is on me to try to not be distracted by it for the rest of the semester. The onus is on you to refrain from doing it OR find a seat where it is not going to be distracting to others. And I think that I am certainly on firm official ground in my opinion, were that ever to become an issue,  which I certainly hope it doesn't.

Again, I really don't intend any hard feelings. I am just trying to
pay attention and learn.


Thanks,
DumbAss Student <not his real name>

. . . .

I was in shock when I read that later. I couldn't believe that a STUDENT had the audacity to tell me what to do on my own laptop in a class that I paid for with my own tuition. I immediately began typing up a response to the a-hole but then I stopped and realized that he sent this thru e-mail for a couple of reasons:


1. He expected that I, as a Black Man, couldn't possibly reply in such an intellectual manner and thus he'd be able to show how smart he was by beating me in a battle of wits.
2. If I did cuss his ass out in the e-mail, then he'd have a paper trail that he could send to the Professor and Dean (assuming they weren't BCC'd in the first place)

So I responded and told him to meet me in the student lounge so we could "discuss" the issue.I knew exactly what I wanted to say to him and I didn't want there to be any record of what I was saying. I was gonna tell him what needed to be said face-to-face so if he did go run and tell it'd be his word against mine. I also had a fellow BLSA member sitting next to me so he couldn't lie and say that I threatened him or anything. About an hr later he came around the corner and I got straight to the point.

Me: DumbAss Student, glad you could make it. I'll get straight to the point. You aren't Dean <insert the Law School Dean's name> you aren't Professor XYZ and you don't pay a dime of my tuition. Until any of that changes, keep your eyes and your stupid e-mails to yourself.
Him: Well It's right in front of me and I can't help but see the sc--
Me: DumbAss Student!!! This ain't up for debate or discussion, you heard what I said!

*silence and me staring a hole into him*

Him: Well . .fine. . I'll just..I'll just tell Prof. XYZ then. <walked off>

So eventually he e-mail the Professor two more times that day in order to "tell on me". Fortunately Professor XYZ is cool as hell and didn't really care so he basically said that he wasn't about to ban internet use in the classroom and that there was enough room to change seats if necessary.

The next day in class, DumbAss Student moved to the other side of the classroom.


Moral of the Story: Keep your eyes, and your stupid e-mails to yourself.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 22, 2007, 03:18:09 PM
Lol good job, Tru.  I dunno what I would have done, but I definitely wouldn't have moved.  Last year, one of my profs tried to institute a rule that if you're going to surf the net, sit in the back.  But such a rule makes no sense b/c 99% of students surf the net, unless they're the take-notes-by-hand type.  Did the student who approached you honestly think that your moving would solve the problem?  Why couldn't he just sit on the very first row where no computers would be in front of him?  People with an overblown sense of entitlement are so annoying.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on December 22, 2007, 03:50:20 PM
Lol good job, Tru.  I dunno what I would have done, but I definitely wouldn't have moved.  Last year, one of my profs tried to institute a rule that if you're going to surf the net, sit in the back.  But such a rule makes no sense b/c 99% of students surf the net, unless they're the take-notes-by-hand type.  Did the student who approached you honestly think that your moving would solve the problem?  Why couldn't he just sit on the very first row where no computers would be in front of him?  People with an overblown sense of entitlement are so annoying.


I believe that he did that crap b/c I'm a Black 2L and he's a White 3L, so therefore I was going to be:

1. Too intimidated to saying anything back to him.
2. If I did respond, it would be in some ignorant or ghetto manner and thus he could run to the Dean and say, "Look! Look! I was trying to be peaceful an polite but he got rude and angry with me!"


To this day, that fool knows better than to say a word to me. If I see him in the hall I walk right by him as if he doesn't exist.

Cracka-ass-Crackas!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on December 22, 2007, 04:04:01 PM
That's that bs!  I'm glad you called him on it!

Seriously, if someone in front of you on the internet distracts you, then you're not really pay that much attention anyway.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 23, 2007, 06:21:11 AM


Nice work! lol @ him flipping through the pages...HA!
Why would anyone look to another student as an authoritative source?
and WHY would people shop on ebay during law school classes?!?!?  :o

 :)

1- 1Ls are the most neurotic folks you will ever meet in your entire life!  Most of 'em anyway.  As a 1L you're in a situation that you have never been in before.  Naturally, you look to people who you think have it together...the only thing you THINK you have to go on is class participation.  1Ls are weird, self-destructing creatures.  They are too scared to go up to the professor, too scared to make friends with upperclassmen, etc. 

Why would ppl shop?  Here's where I gotta draw from LEEWS and PLS II, in a class that lasts about an hour - hour and half, about 15 mins worth will actually be worth writing down. Which 15 mins?  Well that's the key. Some gems come from the professor and some of the gems come from other students.  Deciphering that info is on you. But the ABA has an attendance requirement for a reason!  No one would go if they didn't.  I wouldn't have gone if they didn't!   So some ppl shop, others IM, others go on BLSD, etc.  Now some ppl do it and honestly have a mastery of the material, some ppl do it to fake like they have a mastery of the material, and some ppl do it just because they really dont care about law school (my homegyrl that sat next to me never read a single case nor a stich of outline; wasn't just saying that to fake me out, she really didnt); most are just bored tho  ;) 

Please don't generalise, because that description doesn't fit anyone I know. 

 :D  ::)  :D That's a little condescending- the way you wrote that last post- but I know you didn't mean it that way. LOL, I said most not all.  And that's good that it doesn't fit anyone you  know but that by no means makes it (either of our descriptions, for that matter) a hard and fast rule.  And I'm certainly glad that my description doesn't fit you.  :) I was offering an answer to the question-  ppl gravitate to what they think they know.  Just a general thing I noticed particularly about 1Ls in their first semester. Especially at certain schools where there's more at stake.  A lot of people listen to the wrong advice- that professors are the enemy- and are actually intimidated from seeing the professor.  So they may go to the next person they think of for help-  the know-it-all.  In the second semester, most 1Ls study(,etc) a lot smarter (as opposed to "harder").   {I avoided the library during the exam time in second semester just so that the other 1Ls wouldn't come up to me and get me just as nervous as they were; 1Ls are typically more nervous than upperclassmen-  because they aren't as used to things yet}

As far as listening to upperclassmen, I think some   ;)  1Ls are scared off through no fault of their own.  Some upperclassmen actually believe that because they struggled as a 1L so too should the 1Ls that come to them for help. So some 1Ls get discouraged and hesitant to ask for help from other upperclassmen thinking that it'll be a waste of time.  But they should find some way of getting to an upperclassman that is willing to help and give sound advice.   :)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 23, 2007, 06:30:47 AM
Lol good job, Tru.  I dunno what I would have done, but I definitely wouldn't have moved.  Last year, one of my profs tried to institute a rule that if you're going to surf the net, sit in the back.  But such a rule makes no sense b/c 99% of students surf the net, unless they're the take-notes-by-hand type.  Did the student who approached you honestly think that your moving would solve the problem?  Why couldn't he just sit on the very first row where no computers would be in front of him?  People with an overblown sense of entitlement are so annoying.


I believe that he did that crap b/c I'm a Black 2L and he's a White 3L, so therefore I was going to be:

1. Too intimidated to saying anything back to him.
2. If I did respond, it would be in some ignorant or ghetto manner and thus he could run to the Dean and say, "Look! Look! I was trying to be peaceful an polite but he got rude and angry with me!"


To this day, that fool knows better than to say a word to me. If I see him in the hall I walk right by him as if he doesn't exist.

Cracka-ass-Crackas!

LOL, I can't believe he was actually that bold.  Good job, tho  :)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 23, 2007, 08:03:56 AM
SPEAKING OF SURFING THE INTERNET IN CLASS

I never had a problem about of any of my classmates until the beginning of my 2L year. So I'm in Admin Law surfin' inna'nets for two things:

1. The book for the class cuz I signed up late.
2. A B-day gift for my girl.

So as I said, I didn't have my book b/c I had just signed up for the class and I had already explained the situation to the Professor. So there was nothing I could do aside from taking notes whenever the Prof. or student said something thatI understood.

So after class gets out, I'm sitting down at my laptop when all of a sudden I get an e-mail entitled, "Adminstrative Law Class Internet Surfing"

Instantly I'm thinking it was sent from my Professor or the IT Dept. So I open it up and quickly realize 3 things:

1. It ain't from any Professor.
2. It's from a student
3. It's addressed directly to me.

The letter read:

If you want to surf the internet during class, I think (although the Law School certainly disagrees with this) that it's certainly your prerogative to do so, IF it's not distracting other people who are trying to pay attention to
class. If you are going to do so, however, think that the courteous thing to do is to move toward the back of the room so that individuals (such as myself) who would prefer to not have teddy bears on EBay, cartoons, your Facebook profile, etc. popping up on a screen two feet in front of them while they are trying to pay attention to Professor XYZ have that option. I really don't want/mean to make a huge deal out of this and it is certainly nothing personal, as I don't know you, but I have intentionally chosen to sit up close to pay attention and your internet surfing is distracting to me in my efforts to do that. It is also technically in violation of Law School rules. That being the case, I really don't think the onus is on me to try to not be distracted by it for the rest of the semester. The onus is on you to refrain from doing it OR find a seat where it is not going to be distracting to others. And I think that I am certainly on firm official ground in my opinion, were that ever to become an issue,  which I certainly hope it doesn't.

Again, I really don't intend any hard feelings. I am just trying to
pay attention and learn.


Thanks,
DumbAss Student <not his real name>

. . . .

I was in shock when I read that later. I couldn't believe that a STUDENT had the audacity to tell me what to do on my own laptop in a class that I paid for with my own tuition. I immediately began typing up a response to the a-hole but then I stopped and realized that he sent this thru e-mail for a couple of reasons:


1. He expected that I, as a Black Man, couldn't possibly reply in such an intellectual manner and thus he'd be able to show how smart he was by beating me in a battle of wits.
2. If I did cuss his ass out in the e-mail, then he'd have a paper trail that he could send to the Professor and Dean (assuming they weren't BCC'd in the first place)

So I responded and told him to meet me in the student lounge so we could "discuss" the issue.I knew exactly what I wanted to say to him and I didn't want there to be any record of what I was saying. I was gonna tell him what needed to be said face-to-face so if he did go run and tell it'd be his word against mine. I also had a fellow BLSA member sitting next to me so he couldn't lie and say that I threatened him or anything. About an hr later he came around the corner and I got straight to the point.

Me: DumbAss Student, glad you could make it. I'll get straight to the point. You aren't Dean <insert the Law School Dean's name> you aren't Professor XYZ and you don't pay a dime of my tuition. Until any of that changes, keep your eyes and your stupid e-mails to yourself.
Him: Well It's right in front of me and I can't help but see the sc--
Me: DumbAss Student!!! This ain't up for debate or discussion, you heard what I said!

*silence and me staring a hole into him*

Him: Well . .fine. . I'll just..I'll just tell Prof. XYZ then. <walked off>

So eventually he e-mail the Professor two more times that day in order to "tell on me". Fortunately Professor XYZ is cool as hell and didn't really care so he basically said that he wasn't about to ban internet use in the classroom and that there was enough room to change seats if necessary.

The next day in class, DumbAss Student moved to the other side of the classroom.


Moral of the Story: Keep your eyes, and your stupid e-mails to yourself.


WHAT


THE


F*CK??!?!?!?!?!?!


Son, that kid was wildin!  You def handled it how it should have been handled - off the record.  People like that are extra.  If you had been talking on your cell phone or cracking jokes in class that would have been one thing, but if you're just surfing the web on YOUR OWN DAMN COMPUTER then that certainly is no concern of anybody but you.  That kid was overstepping his bounds - that's analogous to peeping into your neighbor's window and complaining to your neighbor about viewing something in your neighbor's house that you don't like. 

Mind ya bizness. :P
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: TruOne on December 23, 2007, 05:02:48 PM
WHAT


THE


F*CK??!?!?!?!?!?!


Son, that kid was wildin!  You def handled it how it should have been handled - off the record.  People like that are extra.  If you had been talking on your cell phone or cracking jokes in class that would have been one thing, but if you're just surfing the web on YOUR OWN DAMN COMPUTER then that certainly is no concern of anybody but you.  That kid was overstepping his bounds - that's analogous to peeping into your neighbor's window and complaining to your neighbor about viewing something in your neighbor's house that you don't like. 

Mind ya bizness. :P

I think Law School and Academia in general attracts people who have lived "contained" lives in which they never had the fear of gettin' their asses whooped by somebody. I guess when you have a certain level of intelligence people automatically respond to you in a certain manner or a certain way.

However, in the REAL WORLD!

Most people know that you just don't demand that people do whatever you want w/o the fear of getting cussed out. I guess when you've been in school for 7 years w/o any Real World experience, you believe that everybody will respond in an polite and intellectual manner.

WRONG, WRONG © Charlie Murphy

You can really get ya ass-kicked by talkin' to people like you are crazy. They need to have a seminar about that in school b/c I know quite a few classmates that really do talk crazy to other people because they think that b/c they are  "more educated" they have an entitlement do speak any certain way.



Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 26, 2007, 03:57:31 PM
Here' another horror store/tale of unnecessary douchbaggery for you guys:



During my 1L year there was a large group of us who hung tight both inside and outside of the law school, which BTW was a blessing to have during such a hard time.  I bring that up because there was one student in my crew who was well liked among us and we looked up to her often because she had the big sister kind of vibe going since she was a little older than the rest of us.

At any rate, after 1L grades came out, the lines of division pretty much set in.  You had folks who made the grade over here, folks who didn't quite make the grade over there, and a bulk of everybody else somewhere in the middle (aka - The Curve).  Unfortunately she happened to be one of the folks who kinda fell toward the bottom of the class just under the curve.  In an effort to increase her marketability, she ended up snagging a very high profile externship with a federal judge.  We were all happy for her.  Her judge was the type of person who was known to put folks on to biglaw.  Indeed, he used his connects for her and put her into a firm during the summer after our 2L year.

Right before our 2L year was over though, and after she had already found out about her summer gig at the firm, she was rapping to a couple of us about her good news and suggested that we apply to her judge.  We were like - good look, get the details from you later on that....


...but when we came to her later that summer about getting on for her judge she all of a sudden caught convenient amnesia and forgot ever having said anything like that.  Not only did she catch convenient amnesia, but the girl acted straight up defensive whenever we would ask about her judge, as in, would straight up catch attitude to the point where she actually stopped speaking to us.  I thought it was just me personally for a minute, but then one of my buddies who was also interested in the judge came up and asked me "does [ol' girl] give you the cold shoulder whenever you ask about judge X?"  "Son, I thought it was just me!  She does that to you too?"  So apparently this was not an isolated incident.

One fateful evening, a large group of us are in the bar nearby the law school and low and behold Judge X is there also.  So a buzz goes thru the tavern "did you see Judge X is here?"  I hear this and say "oh shoot, I need to introduce myself to him so I can get on this externship."  She hears me say this and says "I'm gonna go talk to him with you."  ooooooo-k?  I'm thinking - I guess she's gonna introduce me.  So we walk over there, and immediately the Judge sees her and is like "Heeeeeey, whats up, blah blah blah."  The two of them sit there talking for a minute and the way she's positioned she is standing in between me and the judge with her back turned to me facing him - basically cutting me out of the conversation.  The whole time I'm waiting for her to introduce me like "Hey Judge this is my friend [Sands]" or something along those lines.  No dice.  Nada.  Nothing.  Ol' Girl doesn't turn around one time.  Then at the end of her convo, she says, "Ok, judge WE will leave you alone now, just wanted to come say hi."   


Instantly I'm thinking to myself "we"?!?!?!  Who the f#ck is "we?"  B!tch, YOU will be leaving now, I still need to holla at this cat AND YOU KNOW THAT!!!  So it makes it kinda akward when I say "Actually judge I needed a moment if that's ok....hi my name is [sands] and ...."

Now at this point, I can read the vibe from this man, and I can tell he's a little put off from the awkwardness created by she and I contradicting each other, so as soon as we're done talking business I dip out and leave the man be.

But it doesn't end there.

So I follow up as the Judge told me and set up an interview with his clerks. I get there to the interview, this dude is NOT EVEN THERE.  Which I thought was completely wild but from what I've been told, sometimes that happens.  At any rate, his clerks conduct my interview.  I go into interview mode and put my best foot forward. 

I'll never forget what happens next - at the end of the interview the head clerk and I hit it off and she says to me, "you know, just between you and I, you're really not so bad after all."  I respond  ???  "excuse me?"

Then she says, "well, you know the Judge has become very fond of [ol' girl] and really values her opinion and she had mentioned some not-so-great comments regarding the two of you from her school who are trying to interview with him, and you almost didn't get the interview, but I gotta tell ya I think you have a great personality, you interviewed well here today and I'll definitely convey all of that to the judge."


In my mind I'm thinking "WHAT THE F*CK?!?!?!" but all I can manage to say is "uhhh....thanks?"

I get up, shake her hand, walk out of the chambers and I stood out in the hallway stunned.  I could not believe that somebody would actually go to such lengths. And what made it worse is that her externship with the judge had ended.  Meaning, she was not applying for the same semester that we were applying for - so it made no sense whatsoever for her to go out of her way to hate on our chances of getting on with "her" judge. 

I went home and immediately called my buddy to give him the heads up.  Both of us were in shock.  I've experienced and witnessed several occurrences of "hide-the-book" incidents before from insecure cats, but that one for me ranks in the top 5.


CONCLUSION:
After all of that, I decided not to work for Judge X because the whole situation left a really bad taste in my mouth.  I didn't want to be in an environment like that wondering what other garbage this chick done told him and whether or not he believes it.  Instead, I decided to go work for a different federal judge in SDNY and ended up having the opportunity to write a habeas opinion for that judge that was later featured on the front page of the New York Law Journal and the New York Times for its controversial Con Law issues dealing with race.  As for Ol' Girl, she ended up graduating without a job, took two bar exams along with the rest of us this past summer, and failed them both.


God don't like ugly.




Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 26, 2007, 06:08:42 PM
WHAT


THE


F*CK??!?!?!?!?!?!


Son, that kid was wildin!  You def handled it how it should have been handled - off the record.  People like that are extra.  If you had been talking on your cell phone or cracking jokes in class that would have been one thing, but if you're just surfing the web on YOUR OWN DAMN COMPUTER then that certainly is no concern of anybody but you.  That kid was overstepping his bounds - that's analogous to peeping into your neighbor's window and complaining to your neighbor about viewing something in your neighbor's house that you don't like. 

Mind ya bizness. :P

I think Law School and Academia in general attracts people who have lived "contained" lives in which they never had the fear of gettin' their asses whooped by somebody. I guess when you have a certain level of intelligence people automatically respond to you in a certain manner or a certain way.

However, in the REAL WORLD!

Most people know that you just don't demand that people do whatever you want w/o the fear of getting cussed out. I guess when you've been in school for 7 years w/o any Real World experience, you believe that everybody will respond in an polite and intellectual manner.

WRONG, WRONG © Charlie Murphy

You can really get ya ass-kicked by talkin' to people like you are crazy. They need to have a seminar about that in school b/c I know quite a few classmates that really do talk crazy to other people because they think that b/c they are  "more educated" they have an entitlement do speak any certain way.





This was absolutely ridiculous. What's really sad about this is the fact that the guy is a 3L!!!! Complaining as if he had NEVER seen people online before throughout 2 YEARS of law school! omg! He seriously needed to mind his own!!!!!!!!!You handled it well, but I bet it was hard not giving him a piece of your mind...the way you really wanted to! lol Also, props on not e-mailing him back and talking face to face. That was smart.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 26, 2007, 06:20:11 PM
Here' another horror store/tale of unnecessary douchbaggery for you guys:



During my 1L year there was a large group of us who hung tight both inside and outside of the law school, which BTW was a blessing to have during such a hard time.  I bring that up because there was one student in my crew who was well liked among us and we looked up to her often because she had the big sister kind of vibe going since she was a little older than the rest of us.

At any rate, after 1L grades came out, the lines of division pretty much set in.  You had folks who made the grade over here, folks who didn't quite make the grade over there, and a bulk of everybody else somewhere in the middle (aka - The Curve).  Unfortunately she happened to be one of the folks who kinda fell toward the bottom of the class just under the curve.  In an effort to increase her marketability, she ended up snagging a very high profile externship with a federal judge.  We were all happy for her.  Her judge was the type of person who was known to put folks on to biglaw.  Indeed, he used his connects for her and put her into a firm during the summer after our 2L year.

Right before our 2L year was over though, and after she had already found out about her summer gig at the firm, she was rapping to a couple of us about her good news and suggested that we apply to her judge.  We were like - good look, get the details from you later on that....


...but when we came to her later that summer about getting on for her judge she all of a sudden caught convenient amnesia and forgot ever having said anything like that.  Not only did she catch convenient amnesia, but the girl acted straight up defensive whenever we would ask about her judge, as in, would straight up catch attitude to the point where she actually stopped speaking to us.  I thought it was just me personally for a minute, but then one of my buddies who was also interested in the judge came up and asked me "does [ol' girl] give you the cold shoulder whenever you ask about judge X?"  "Son, I thought it was just me!  She does that to you too?"  So apparently this was not an isolated incident.

One fateful evening, a large group of us are in the bar nearby the law school and low and behold Judge X is there also.  So a buzz goes thru the tavern "did you see Judge X is here?"  I hear this and say "oh shoot, I need to introduce myself to him so I can get on this externship."  She hears me say this and says "I'm gonna go talk to him with you."  ooooooo-k?  I'm thinking - I guess she's gonna introduce me.  So we walk over there, and immediately the Judge sees her and is like "Heeeeeey, whats up, blah blah blah."  The two of them sit there talking for a minute and the way she's positioned she is standing in between me and the judge with her back turned to me facing him - basically cutting me out of the conversation.  The whole time I'm waiting for her to introduce me like "Hey Judge this is my friend [Sands]" or something along those lines.  No dice.  Nada.  Nothing.  Ol' Girl doesn't turn around one time.  Then at the end of her convo, she says, "Ok, judge WE will leave you alone now, just wanted to come say hi."   


Instantly I'm thinking to myself "we"?!?!?!  Who the f#ck is "we?"  B!tch, YOU will be leaving now, I still need to holla at this cat AND YOU KNOW THAT!!!  So it makes it kinda akward when I say "Actually judge I needed a moment if that's ok....hi my name is [sands] and ...."

Now at this point, I can read the vibe from this man, and I can tell he's a little put off from the awkwardness created by she and I contradicting each other, so as soon as we're done talking business I dip out and leave the man be.

But it doesn't end there.

So I follow up as the Judge told me and set up an interview with his clerks. I get there to the interview, this dude is NOT EVEN THERE.  Which I thought was completely wild but from what I've been told, sometimes that happens.  At any rate, his clerks conduct my interview.  I go into interview mode and put my best foot forward. 

I'll never forget what happens next - at the end of the interview the head clerk and I hit it off and she says to me, "you know, just between you and I, you're really not so bad after all."  I respond  ???  "excuse me?"

Then she says, "well, you know the Judge has become very fond of [ol' girl] and really values her opinion and she had mentioned some not-so-great comments regarding the two of you from her school who are trying to interview with him, and you almost didn't get the interview, but I gotta tell ya I think you have a great personality, you interviewed well here today and I'll definitely convey all of that to the judge."


In my mind I'm thinking "WHAT THE F*CK?!?!?!" but all I can manage to say is "uhhh....thanks?"

I get up, shake her hand, walk out of the chambers and I stood out in the hallway stunned.  I could not believe that somebody would actually go to such lengths. And what made it worse is that her externship with the judge had ended.  Meaning, she was not applying for the same semester that we were applying for - so it made no sense whatsoever for her to go out of her way to hate on our chances of getting on with "her" judge. 

I went home and immediately called my buddy to give him the heads up.  Both of us were in shock.  I've experienced and witnessed several occurrences of "hide-the-book" incidents before from insecure cats, but that one for me ranks in the top 5.


CONCLUSION:
After all of that, I decided not to work for Judge X because the whole situation left a really bad taste in my mouth.  I didn't want to be in an environment like that wondering what other garbage this chick done told him and whether or not he believes it.  Instead, I decided to go work for a different federal judge in SDNY and ended up having the opportunity to write a habeas opinion for that judge that was later featured on the front page of the New York Law Journal and the New York Times for its controversial Con Law issues dealing with race.  As for Ol' Girl, she ended up graduating without a job, took two bar exams along with the rest of us this past summer, and failed them both.


God don't like ugly.






Sands, OMG! Are you SERIOUS?!?? WOW! I can't believe someone would go through all that to prevent other people from getting an externship. (That was over for her by the way!) That is some serious insecurity. You can't really trust any one these days... I'm happy you were able to still holla at that judge and cop an interview. I'm so glad it worked out well for you and bad for her. Karma is a b*tch! lol    :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 26, 2007, 07:22:46 PM
Instead, I decided to go work for a different federal judge in SDNY and ended up having the opportunity to write a habeas opinion for that judge that was later featured on the front page of the New York Law Journal and the New York Times for its controversial Con Law issues dealing with race.  As for Ol' Girl, she ended up graduating without a job, took two bar exams along with the rest of us this past summer, and failed them both.


God don't like ugly.

All's well that ends well!  Lol you should drop her a note on your firm letterhead...you know, just to "check in."
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 27, 2007, 10:55:55 AM


Sands, OMG! Are you SERIOUS?!?? WOW! I can't believe someone would go through all that to prevent other people from getting an externship. (That was over for her by the way!) That is some serious insecurity. You can't really trust any one these days... I'm happy you were able to still holla at that judge and cop an interview. I'm so glad it worked out well for you and bad for her. Karma is a b*tch! lol    :D
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Gyrl, there are some (shout out to pikey  ;) :D)  people out there that will block even the though most ridiculous things.  Like book hiding.  To me, that is the most ridiculous thing to do, particularly since you can find everything online anyway. Like why waste time hiding books in the library or ripping pages out?  Those ppl are not just wasting other ppl's time but they are wasting their own. 

You know what sucks?  Most of my horror stories involve BLSA/ local BLSA members. BLACK PEOPLE!  WTF?!  Like some major back stabbage for no earthly reason:

So, it's the second semester, 1st yr.. Just started in.  We get assigned partners to work on the Legal Writing Research projects. Basically the professor just looked at who we sat with and went from there.  So cool, I'm lucky to be paired up with my homegirl.  Slightly Older, black woman, 2 kids + hubby.  Now first semester, my dumbarse helped her out in some major ways in all of the classes-  gave her my class notes, copied pages, gave her some supplements,  gave her my notes from BLSA reviews since she had kids and couldn't go, put her on to some of my contacts thru BLSA, etc.  Anyway,  I call her as soon as we get assigned the research project just to set up a time so that we could work together on the project.  She never calls me back.  Okay cool..I email her and call her again.  No call back.  No email.  Okay, I ask her in class she said to call her.  Okay cool...no response.  This goes on for weeks!  So I start the project by my lonesome.  Due date is approaching, I call her again.  "Well, I already did it with [another BLSA member who is not in our LW class] at her house so I'll just put your name on it and we'll call it EVEN."       

So I'm thinking she's a better writer than me but I need to scope out what she has written anyway.  She emails it to me.  Some parts are really good others are crap-ola. She put my name on the cover.  I try to talk to her about changing the crappy parts and she snaps at me.  So I'm like okay lemme just change a few sentences.  "Whatever..."in a huff she goes off. 

So we hand in this version-  her version- of the paper.  Whatever, we got a decent grade.  Next assignment comes around, she does the same thing.  Then she calls me out of the blue pissed as hell-  "you didn't help me...you're using me..blah blah blah".  I asked her "WTF happened and reminded her that I called and emailed her and sent her what I did..."  So apparently the professor saw her working alone and yelled at her.  She then proceeded to tell the professor that I wasn't pulling my weight. 

But oh no, it doesn't stop there. 

She then proceeds to tell BLSA members that I NEVER do my work, that I copy off of her, blah blah blah. 

But oh no, it doesn't stop there. 

She then proceeds to tell the white people.  So my one of my homegyrls-  who so happens to be white is basically screaming her head off in my defense (yeah she was one of those).  Saying that what homegyrl did wasn't right. 

I then print out the emails that I sent to this heifer and show the professor.   The professor recommended that we stop working together.

Did I mention that all this sabtagoe was not really about the class but about rinning for a local BLSA position that she assumed I'd be running for?       
     
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 27, 2007, 11:21:55 AM
Lol man, y'all get all the good drama!  We're just stuck with debates on whether or not to sign onto this or that...
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 27, 2007, 12:44:01 PM
Lol man, y'all get all the good drama!  We're just stuck with debates on whether or not to sign onto this or that...

LOL @ "good drama".  Debates/sign or not?  that's the way things should be!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: jarhead on December 27, 2007, 08:58:48 PM
damn sands, but your right god doesn't like ugly...and f the judge too...we haven't gotten grades yet so i haven't seen the divide yet but i know there will be one...it will be interesting...and as far as as- whuppin' i tell a mfer at least once a day don't let the smooth taste fool you ....i know how to kill nwords and get away with it
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 28, 2007, 07:52:57 AM
damn sands, but your right god doesn't like ugly...and f the judge too...we haven't gotten grades yet so i haven't seen the divide yet but i know there will be one...it will be interesting...and as far as as- whuppin' i tell a mfer at least once a day don't let the smooth taste fool you ....i know how to kill nwords and get away with it


 :D  lmao @ bolded. 

The divide is freakin' hilarious to me. Season changes- Seats changes, study groups break up, study groups minimize, increase in the number of "solo runners", the fake "niceness" ceases, the "what's-mine-is-mine-and-what's-yours-should-also-be-mine-so-gimme-mentality" kicks in....good times.   ;) :D
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 28, 2007, 09:51:14 AM
First horror story started before I even go into law school...I was accepted into law school and found out after I had quit my job that I could not get approved for private loans even with several different co-signers.  So in other words, I got into law school but couldn't afford to go.   >:(

Next horror story came at the end of the first semester of 1L when I got my first grade back in Crim Law, which was my strongest class based on my ability to effectively respond with the correct answer to my professor's barrage of socratic hazing on a daily basis, my familiarity with the MPC/Common Law distinctions, as well as the fact that I took a couple of practice exams to my professor that he reviewed and said were at the A level.  Did the same performance on the real exam, left it all out there on the field, and somehow ended up with a B- in the class!!!  ???  Still to this day...that is one of the biggest shockers of my 3 years of law school.  Def one of those "WTF?" moments.




Sands, I am going to quit my job like 4-5 months before going to school. Do you have any advice about how to pull this off without getting screwed on loans like you did?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 28, 2007, 11:37:15 AM
My first piece of advice would be not to quit your job until just before law school - maybe a month before or so.  Unless you have mad loot just falling out of your pockets already, then by all means, quit now.  But for me, I needed money so I worked up until 2 weeks before law school started to be honest.


But that is a side issue from the loans situtation.

For you guys coming in, you have a "graduate plus" loan or something like that from the feds in addition to the $18.5k that we got. So you're in better shape.  I didn't get private loans because they're based solely on credit and mine sucked at the time I was applying to law school.  If you're in the same boat then just make sure you have a good co-signer and you should be straight.  Most people I know had no problem once they got their folks to co-sign for their private loans.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 28, 2007, 12:23:03 PM
My first piece of advice would be not to quit your job until just before law school - maybe a month before or so.  Unless you have mad loot just falling out of your pockets already, then by all means, quit now.  But for me, I needed money so I worked up until 2 weeks before law school started to be honest.


But that is a side issue from the loans situtation.

For you guys coming in, you have a "graduate plus" loan or something like that from the feds in addition to the $18.5k that we got. So you're in better shape.  I didn't get private loans because they're based solely on credit and mine sucked at the time I was applying to law school.  If you're in the same boat then just make sure you have a good co-signer and you should be straight.  Most people I know had no problem once they got their folks to co-sign for their private loans.
Thanks for clearing that up man.

I feel like I have to quit my job and take like 3-4 months off to stay sane. My job has been driving me crazy.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: jarhead on December 28, 2007, 01:18:39 PM
My first piece of advice would be not to quit your job until just before law school - maybe a month before or so.  Unless you have mad loot just falling out of your pockets already, then by all means, quit now.  But for me, I needed money so I worked up until 2 weeks before law school started to be honest.


But that is a side issue from the loans situtation.

For you guys coming in, you have a "graduate plus" loan or something like that from the feds in addition to the $18.5k that we got. So you're in better shape.  I didn't get private loans because they're based solely on credit and mine sucked at the time I was applying to law school.  If you're in the same boat then just make sure you have a good co-signer and you should be straight.  Most people I know had no problem once they got their folks to co-sign for their private loans.
Thanks for clearing that up man.

I feel like I have to quit my job and take like 3-4 months off to stay sane. My job has been driving me crazy.


i quit my job a month out but had plenty of money saved up, my advice is the same as Sands don't quit until the absolute last minute. you have to get through your entire first year and maybe the summer so you wanna have as much loot as possible. don't forget your gonna have to pay income tax one last time on the money you make this year so you really wanna stack up as much as possible
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 28, 2007, 01:22:53 PM
My first piece of advice would be not to quit your job until just before law school - maybe a month before or so.  Unless you have mad loot just falling out of your pockets already, then by all means, quit now.  But for me, I needed money so I worked up until 2 weeks before law school started to be honest.


But that is a side issue from the loans situtation.

For you guys coming in, you have a "graduate plus" loan or something like that from the feds in addition to the $18.5k that we got. So you're in better shape.  I didn't get private loans because they're based solely on credit and mine sucked at the time I was applying to law school.  If you're in the same boat then just make sure you have a good co-signer and you should be straight.  Most people I know had no problem once they got their folks to co-sign for their private loans.
Thanks for clearing that up man.

I feel like I have to quit my job and take like 3-4 months off to stay sane. My job has been driving me crazy.


i quit my job a month out but had plenty of money saved up, my advice is the same as Sands don't quit until the absolute last minute. you have to get through your entire first year and maybe the summer so you wanna have as much loot as possible. don't forget your gonna have to pay income tax one last time on the money you make this year so you really wanna stack up as much as possible
I totally believe you guys but I can't take it anymore. I haven't had a vacation in 7+ years and I am on the verge of collapse.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: jarhead on December 28, 2007, 01:29:51 PM
My first piece of advice would be not to quit your job until just before law school - maybe a month before or so.  Unless you have mad loot just falling out of your pockets already, then by all means, quit now.  But for me, I needed money so I worked up until 2 weeks before law school started to be honest.


But that is a side issue from the loans situtation.

For you guys coming in, you have a "graduate plus" loan or something like that from the feds in addition to the $18.5k that we got. So you're in better shape.  I didn't get private loans because they're based solely on credit and mine sucked at the time I was applying to law school.  If you're in the same boat then just make sure you have a good co-signer and you should be straight.  Most people I know had no problem once they got their folks to co-sign for their private loans.
Thanks for clearing that up man.

I feel like I have to quit my job and take like 3-4 months off to stay sane. My job has been driving me crazy.


i quit my job a month out but had plenty of money saved up, my advice is the same as Sands don't quit until the absolute last minute. you have to get through your entire first year and maybe the summer so you wanna have as much loot as possible. don't forget your gonna have to pay income tax one last time on the money you make this year so you really wanna stack up as much as possible
I totally believe you guys but I can't take it anymore. I haven't had a vacation in 7+ years and I am on the verge of collapse.


well if you really can't take it....but i was ready to throw my entire office (including the nice little Spanish lady who insisted on emptying my trash can even if it only had on tissue in it) out of the window before i left...if you can take it this long you can take it just suck it up and whenever they get on your nerves just keep reminding yourself that in a few short months you'll be in law school never and will never have to see any of those aholes again....
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 28, 2007, 01:32:53 PM
I think if I stay at this firm past may I will be in rotten shape physically, mentally, socially and spiritually to start LS in August. I am beyond burned out. I don't remember what daylight looks like. Unless I can't help it, I need a couple of months off. Is it really that hard to live off of loans through 1L?
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: jarhead on December 28, 2007, 01:49:18 PM
I think if I stay at this firm past may I will be in rotten shape physically, mentally, socially and spiritually to start LS in August. I am beyond burned out. I don't remember what daylight looks like. Unless I can't help it, I need a couple of months off. Is it really that hard to live off of loans through 1L?



it depends, im betting since you've been working you're situation will be like mine meaning they will expect you to pay something...its not hard to live in a budget but its just there is always something that you don't count on...for me it was having to pay 3gs in tuition....also things add up, books etc. down payment on an apartment if you move...not to mention most apartments want you to have a job....you may have to get a cosigner otherwise....i told myself i was gonna save money by grocery shopping and cooking but turns out it wasn't practical....i live across town from school so to go home and cook turned into a 3-4 hour distraction time taken away from reading etc. so i ended up having to buy dinner most nights....then there was bar bri and just a thousand of extra expenses that come up during the year...its not impossible but i still have to say the more money you have saved the better....private loans are hard to get and the interest rate is ridiculous even if you get one....if you have money saved it makes your life a lot easier
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 28, 2007, 03:08:57 PM
I think if I stay at this firm past may I will be in rotten shape physically, mentally, socially and spiritually to start LS in August. I am beyond burned out. I don't remember what daylight looks like. Unless I can't help it, I need a couple of months off. Is it really that hard to live off of loans through 1L?


If I were you I'd take all of my vacation now.  That's what I did.  I didn't tell my job I was going to law school until I gave my 2 weeks notice.  They were the type of shady characters that I knew would let me go as soon as they found out I had other plans - and I was right. :P
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 28, 2007, 03:50:08 PM
I think if I stay at this firm past may I will be in rotten shape physically, mentally, socially and spiritually to start LS in August. I am beyond burned out. I don't remember what daylight looks like. Unless I can't help it, I need a couple of months off. Is it really that hard to live off of loans through 1L?


I agree w/ Sands.  But also w/ jarhead.  I basically lived off loans my 1L year.  Sure it sucked. And I had an arrangement where someone else was paying most of the bills  ;)  And it still sucked.  But you really need to take off before law school.  Think of it this way-  I think it would be more cost effective in the long run.  Let's say you work up until 2 weeks before school starts.  {and unless u are going to school in a nearby area you are gonna want to have more time than that to settle in}.  But you are ridiculously tired already.  You've taken out a small loan from school.  Because you were burned out before law school started, you may burn out even easier from law school.  You may get lower grades than you deserve- and keep the curve in mind.  Law school-  all law schools- are expensive.  Do you really want to pay a whole bunch of money for grades that you do not deserve?

But if you do as Sands suggested and take a month off, you won't be out that much more loot anyway.  But it sounds like you need more than that.

Leave the job. There are other ways of getting loot.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: RexRegnat on December 28, 2007, 03:59:32 PM
I don't know what school I will be attending but I am not leaving until my end of year bonus is paid out in July. I have already suffered for 6 months and I can do it for a couple more months. I have a month worth of vacation days saved up and I will use those to ease the pain. I'd rather suffer now then have to worry about money during school.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: jarhead on December 28, 2007, 04:02:52 PM
if taking vacation is an option definitely take it i was thinking you were just gonna quit...the alternative is to take half the vacation time and cash out the rest
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 28, 2007, 09:47:55 PM
I think if I stay at this firm past may I will be in rotten shape physically, mentally, socially and spiritually to start LS in August. I am beyond burned out. I don't remember what daylight looks like. Unless I can't help it, I need a couple of months off. Is it really that hard to live off of loans through 1L?


If I were you I'd take all of my vacation now.  That's what I did.  I didn't tell my job I was going to law school until I gave my 2 weeks notice.  They were the type of shady characters that I knew would let me go as soon as they found out I had other plans - and I was right. :P
I am a Biglaw litigation paralegal. Going to Law School was part of the deal from day one, and I started in May of '06. My employment agreement stipulates a 2-year commitment. I could theoretically stay a couple of more months, but I don't feel like I can't take it much longer than that. Further, I live in NYC, and even if I stay at the job, my savings will be pretty minimal because the COL is significant. Finally, my lease runs out in May as well, so I would have to figure something out to live for only an additional month or two.

It just seems like I need a break and May is the perfect time to take it. I just want to make sure that if I need any private loans, I can still get them without a current source of income. My credit score is average, but I am willing to live on Ramen Noodles through 1L.

At the end of the day, I think I agree with cui bono. In my current state, I am unprepared to begin Law School. Blowing 1L due to exaustion will cost me much more in the long run than a couple of extra grand of debt. At the same time, everyone's conservative advice is appreciated. Any other advice on surviving the 1L financial hell is also appreciated. Thanks all.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 29, 2007, 11:51:30 AM
I am willing to live on Ramen Noodles through 1L.

At the end of the day, I think I agree with cui bono. In my current state, I am unprepared to begin Law School. Blowing 1L due to exaustion will cost me much more in the long run than a couple of extra grand of debt. At the same time, everyone's conservative advice is appreciated. Any other advice on surviving the 1L financial hell is also appreciated. Thanks all.


Which aspect of it are you concerned with?

 You can get your casebooks cheaper or for free from your local chapter of BLSA (Black Law Students Association).  Supplements, same thing.  Depending on which area you're planning to go to school in, there's ways your chapter can get more money from the Regional level.  I remember SRBLSA was talking about something like that.  Also, some schools have textbooks & supplements in the law library that they allow students to take out a few hours at a time.  It may be somewhat cheaper to copy pages but don't quote me on that.  A few pages may also be easier for you to carry to and fro than some old textbook.  If your school doesn';t have anything like that, talk to the upperclassmen, see if they'll loan you the book.  That could be a great way to establish a connection-  that same person could help you out with some outlines, supplements, tell you who to take the next year, etc. 

Food wise, it may be chaper for you to get the food plan at your school.  You'll be spending a lot of time there on campus.  It also may be cheaper for you to eat out at places like Denny's, Waffle House, etc. than to cook {I know that sounds crazy but I crunched the numbers}.  If you order water, you'll be all good.  I hate to sound like somebody's mama but that also may be a way to ensure that you're eating right which makes all the difference.  I was eating chips every day my 1st semester and then switched to real  meals the 2nd semester- did wonders for my stamina so I could actually pull more QUALITY hours in the law library.       
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: jarhead on December 29, 2007, 01:18:41 PM
I am willing to live on Ramen Noodles through 1L.

At the end of the day, I think I agree with cui bono. In my current state, I am unprepared to begin Law School. Blowing 1L due to exaustion will cost me much more in the long run than a couple of extra grand of debt. At the same time, everyone's conservative advice is appreciated. Any other advice on surviving the 1L financial hell is also appreciated. Thanks all.


Which aspect of it are you concerned with?

 You can get your casebooks cheaper or for free from your local chapter of BLSA (Black Law Students Association).  Supplements, same thing.  Depending on which area you're planning to go to school in, there's ways your chapter can get more money from the Regional level.  I remember SRBLSA was talking about something like that.  Also, some schools have textbooks & supplements in the law library that they allow students to take out a few hours at a time.  It may be somewhat cheaper to copy pages but don't quote me on that.  A few pages may also be easier for you to carry to and fro than some old textbook.  If your school doesn';t have anything like that, talk to the upperclassmen, see if they'll loan you the book.  That could be a great way to establish a connection-  that same person could help you out with some outlines, supplements, tell you who to take the next year, etc. 

Food wise, it may be chaper for you to get the food plan at your school.  You'll be spending a lot of time there on campus.  It also may be cheaper for you to eat out at places like Denny's, Waffle House, etc. than to cook {I know that sounds crazy but I crunched the numbers}. If you order water, you'll be all good.  I hate to sound like somebody's mama but that also may be a way to ensure that you're eating right which makes all the difference.  I was eating chips every day my 1st semester and then switched to real  meals the 2nd semester- did wonders for my stamina so I could actually pull more QUALITY hours in the law library.       




YES! to the bolded i get into arguments with younguns about this all the time ( a n-word was in the military i know about being broke), if you add it up you spend the same amount to cook as to eat out plus the timecost of cooking at home makes eating out the better option....just budget it in the same way you would groceries...it may even be cheaper than buying a bunch of food you don't have time to cook and eat and end up throwing out anyway.

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 29, 2007, 01:52:03 PM
Woah. Thanks for the good advice!  :)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 29, 2007, 02:15:57 PM
YES! to the bolded i get into arguments with younguns about this all the time ( a n-word was in the military i know about being broke), if you add it up you spend the same amount to cook as to eat out plus the timecost of cooking at home makes eating out the better option....just budget it in the same way you would groceries...it may even be cheaper than buying a bunch of food you don't have time to cook and eat and end up throwing out anyway.



Lol that's what I say too...especially if you find a place with large portions.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 29, 2007, 02:55:33 PM
I am willing to live on Ramen Noodles through 1L.

At the end of the day, I think I agree with cui bono. In my current state, I am unprepared to begin Law School. Blowing 1L due to exaustion will cost me much more in the long run than a couple of extra grand of debt. At the same time, everyone's conservative advice is appreciated. Any other advice on surviving the 1L financial hell is also appreciated. Thanks all.


Which aspect of it are you concerned with?

 You can get your casebooks cheaper or for free from your local chapter of BLSA (Black Law Students Association).  Supplements, same thing.  Depending on which area you're planning to go to school in, there's ways your chapter can get more money from the Regional level.  I remember SRBLSA was talking about something like that.  Also, some schools have textbooks & supplements in the law library that they allow students to take out a few hours at a time.  It may be somewhat cheaper to copy pages but don't quote me on that.  A few pages may also be easier for you to carry to and fro than some old textbook.  If your school doesn';t have anything like that, talk to the upperclassmen, see if they'll loan you the book.  That could be a great way to establish a connection-  that same person could help you out with some outlines, supplements, tell you who to take the next year, etc. 

Food wise, it may be chaper for you to get the food plan at your school.  You'll be spending a lot of time there on campus.  It also may be cheaper for you to eat out at places like Denny's, Waffle House, etc. than to cook {I know that sounds crazy but I crunched the numbers}. If you order water, you'll be all good.  I hate to sound like somebody's mama but that also may be a way to ensure that you're eating right which makes all the difference.  I was eating chips every day my 1st semester and then switched to real  meals the 2nd semester- did wonders for my stamina so I could actually pull more QUALITY hours in the law library.       




YES! to the bolded i get into arguments with younguns about this all the time ( a n-word was in the military i know about being broke), if you add it up you spend the same amount to cook as to eat out plus the timecost of cooking at home makes eating out the better option....just budget it in the same way you would groceries...it may even be cheaper than buying a bunch of food you don't have time to cook and eat and end up throwing out anyway.



LOL "youngens"  u aint that old, son  :)

But exactly!  The only thing I'd add is you may want to buy some NON-PERISHABLE groceries for when it gets late/campus cafeteria is closed (all cafs close and reopen at odd times).  Ramen Noodles all the way!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 29, 2007, 03:01:20 PM
Trader Joe's Thai noodle boxes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramen noodles (which I've actually never tried, but I've seen them...)
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: jarhead on December 29, 2007, 03:27:22 PM
I am willing to live on Ramen Noodles through 1L.

At the end of the day, I think I agree with cui bono. In my current state, I am unprepared to begin Law School. Blowing 1L due to exaustion will cost me much more in the long run than a couple of extra grand of debt. At the same time, everyone's conservative advice is appreciated. Any other advice on surviving the 1L financial hell is also appreciated. Thanks all.


Which aspect of it are you concerned with?

 You can get your casebooks cheaper or for free from your local chapter of BLSA (Black Law Students Association).  Supplements, same thing.  Depending on which area you're planning to go to school in, there's ways your chapter can get more money from the Regional level.  I remember SRBLSA was talking about something like that.  Also, some schools have textbooks & supplements in the law library that they allow students to take out a few hours at a time.  It may be somewhat cheaper to copy pages but don't quote me on that.  A few pages may also be easier for you to carry to and fro than some old textbook.  If your school doesn';t have anything like that, talk to the upperclassmen, see if they'll loan you the book.  That could be a great way to establish a connection-  that same person could help you out with some outlines, supplements, tell you who to take the next year, etc. 

Food wise, it may be chaper for you to get the food plan at your school.  You'll be spending a lot of time there on campus.  It also may be cheaper for you to eat out at places like Denny's, Waffle House, etc. than to cook {I know that sounds crazy but I crunched the numbers}. If you order water, you'll be all good.  I hate to sound like somebody's mama but that also may be a way to ensure that you're eating right which makes all the difference.  I was eating chips every day my 1st semester and then switched to real  meals the 2nd semester- did wonders for my stamina so I could actually pull more QUALITY hours in the law library.       




YES! to the bolded i get into arguments with younguns about this all the time ( a n-word was in the military i know about being broke), if you add it up you spend the same amount to cook as to eat out plus the timecost of cooking at home makes eating out the better option....just budget it in the same way you would groceries...it may even be cheaper than buying a bunch of food you don't have time to cook and eat and end up throwing out anyway.



LOL "youngens"  u aint that old, son  :)

But exactly!  The only thing I'd add is you may want to buy some NON-PERISHABLE groceries for when it gets late/campus cafeteria is closed (all cafs close and reopen at odd times).  Ramen Noodles all the way!


maaaan please, yes i am! every time i hear someone's age im like ish....people are like so and so is old he's 28 i just join in like "yeah he's old as ish"
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: pikey on December 29, 2007, 03:39:30 PM
Trader Joe's Thai noodle boxes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramen noodles (which I've actually never tried, but I've seen them...)

TJ's frozen stuff is awesome too.  I still have some burittos in my freezer back in AA.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on December 29, 2007, 06:16:21 PM
Woah. Thanks for the good advice!  :)

 :)  no prob.

Trader Joe's Thai noodle boxes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramen noodles (which I've actually never tried, but I've seen them...)

Never tried Trader Joe's.  And I just got put on to Ramen noodles.  Stuff is good - Even if you aint broke.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: A. on December 29, 2007, 06:47:48 PM
Trader Joe's Thai noodle boxes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramen noodles (which I've actually never tried, but I've seen them...)

TJ's frozen stuff is awesome too.  I still have some burittos in my freezer back in AA.

I've never tried a burrito, but the enchiladas are OK.  Their mac and cheese is gooooooood!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: doubledown on December 30, 2007, 12:49:30 PM
Trader Joe's Thai noodle boxes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ramen noodles (which I've actually never tried, but I've seen them...)

TJ's frozen stuff is awesome too.  I still have some burittos in my freezer back in AA.

I've never tried a burrito, but the enchiladas are OK.  Their mac and cheese is gooooooood!

The enchiladas are AMAZING--the one's in the blue packaging at least.
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: Eugene Young on April 06, 2008, 11:38:27 AM
Baff
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cantwaitforuva on April 06, 2008, 03:45:59 PM
Man, me and my computer got some serious beef. This sucker decided to CRASH on me in the middle of the 2nd Semester. So that meant ALL OF MY NOTES/OUTLINES/EVERYTHING was erased, as if they never existed.

Can you imagine 2 months worth of notes and stuff from 5 different classes being gone?

Fortunately I had a classmate who had Onenote and we're cool so she just let me have her notes from the first 2 months. That way I could still reference them when I was making my outline.


Moral of the Story: Become cool with someone who takes good notes in case your computer decides to kill itself.
No. the moral of the story is to back up your work!
Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: juliemccoy on April 06, 2008, 04:02:39 PM
My A/C adapter for my laptop died during my 2nd final exam in my first semester at law school. The exam was being typed in Word and uploaded to TWEN, and I uploaded it JUST BEFORE my laptop died. Talk about panic!

Title: Re: Horror Stories/Let's scare the new 1L's
Post by: cui bono? on April 06, 2008, 08:35:25 PM
Good thing about programs like Examsoft is that they save every few seconds or something so it'll be on the hard drive. So if your computer goes kamikaze during the exam all is not lost. 

This happened to a friend of mine who received a bad grade on one of her exams.  When going over her exam with the professor several weeks later, she discovered that a large portion of her exam was missing-  hence the poor grade  :o  They had to go in and look at her hard drive & regrade the exam.

Moral of the story:  Go over your exams w/ your professors & don't freak out