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Title: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: hobbesthecat on April 19, 2007, 03:39:00 PM
So I think its high time those of us going to Harvard Law have a thread to discuss all things HLS. Here we go! Who has sent in their seat deposits, is anyone still trying to decide between HLS and other schools, what dorms do you want to live in, or can someone convince me that the dorms are a bad idea? Right, that's what I have so far, have at it!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Chef Gordon Ramsay on April 19, 2007, 03:43:43 PM
1. I'm sending in my deposit. Since I didn't get an envelope, though, can someone tell me what address to send it to? Same as the Admissions Office?

2. I'll (hopefully) find something worth deferring for within the next months, and drop to Class of 2011. EVERYONE at ASW seemed to think I should wait a year, as I wasn't completely gung-ho on the whole LS idea/experience.

3. Hell no am I living in the dorms, especially if I don't defer. I looked into affiliated housing and liked what I saw at 29 Garden Street, which has some units reserved for law students.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: jd2bee on April 19, 2007, 03:44:19 PM
Woohoo!  I'm deferring a year, so I'm actually class of 2011, but I'll join your thread.  I'm sending in my deposit next week, after declining the last scholarship I was considering.  I loved Boston and Harvard and can't wait to be there.  SoCal represent!

:)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Shark on April 19, 2007, 03:46:37 PM
So the dorm issue has been pressing on my mind lately, too (especially since we have to submit our housing application tomorrow).  

1.  Gropius seems a little small and there's a good chance of the men's room being on another floor.  But it's the cheapest.  I wonder does it get too loud at night, or should it be easy to sleep/study?

2.  Hastings seems ok, but still having to share a bathroom for the increased rate isn't appealing.

3.  Having my own bathroom at North seems cool but there's the construction to worry about, and 5 Hundred dollars more per month is a lot.

Decisions.  Anyone have some good insight.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Shark on April 19, 2007, 03:49:17 PM
1. I'm sending in my deposit. Since I didn't get an envelope, though, can someone tell me what address to send it to? Same as the Admissions Office?

2. I'll (hopefully) find something worth deferring for within the next months, and drop to Class of 2011. EVERYONE at ASW seemed to think I should wait a year, as I wasn't completely gung-ho on the whole LS idea/experience.

3. Hell no am I living in the dorms, especially if I don't defer. I looked into affiliated housing and liked what I saw at 29 Garden Street, which has some units reserved for law students.

Can you tell me a little bit more about these units?  How much? How big?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on April 19, 2007, 03:54:36 PM
Those of you deferring- good for you, I took some time before going to law school, and I really feel more ready than I would have before. I think each dorm has its positives and negatives, but I would probably take the smaller and less convenient rooms at Gropius over a more expensive one, given that law school is expensive enough on its own. If you have the money though, the convenience may be worth it to choose a different dorm. Anyway, I may change my mind but that's how I see it now. Also, I don't like off-campus affiliated housing as much, since its more expensive and it seems like you'd be more separated from other law students and I'm a pretty social person who would be sad living all by myself.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Chef Gordon Ramsay on April 19, 2007, 04:04:13 PM
Keep in mind that a lot of the dormspace is going to be taken up by foreign LLMs who might be interesting, but will not be your classmates for three years. Also, you'll have the ability to make friends in section, in clubs, and at social events. If you choose carefully, affiliated housing (which now includes some law-reserved units) is not that far away.

It's not really the room size that concerns me. And while I've dealt with the inconvenience of shared bathrooms for far too long, I could probably put up with it again. It's sharing a small kitchen with lots of people that seems like the most inconvenient part of HLS dorm life. There's no dining hall, per se, and eating out often can be expensive, so it appears that most people will have to use them, will probably do so around the same time(s), and that they'd get crowded.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on April 19, 2007, 04:09:05 PM
Count me in! I sent my deposit check on Tuesday - looking forward to joining the class of 2010 in August!

I'll be living off campus, about a 15 minute walk from the law school. I can't really speak to the dorms issue, since, knowing that they weren't really an option for me, I didn't go on the tour during ASW. They do seem to be a good way to make some friends, though. I kind of regret being cut off from that aspect, since being in a relationship is already a bit socially limiting. Hopefully you guys living in the dorms won't mind my visiting!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: kenny32 on April 19, 2007, 04:45:15 PM
Count me in too! I'm looking for a place in Cambridge to stay, i dont think the dorms are up my alley.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: just call me elle on April 19, 2007, 07:24:09 PM
sooooo there. deposit's going in asap as soon as i can get it together to take some facebook pictures...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: just call me elle on April 19, 2007, 07:24:43 PM
and yayyy for finally starting this thread!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: lawbound2010 on April 19, 2007, 07:47:23 PM
count me in too!  can't wait to meet you all!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Supergirl on April 19, 2007, 08:59:55 PM
Okay, so I'm most likely deferring, but there's a slight chance that they may not grant my deferral or that I'll change my mind before I send in my deferral app. Should I still fill in the application for the housing before tomorrow? It is wrong of me to still apply for housing even if chances are great that I will be deferring?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: strivergirl on April 19, 2007, 09:47:03 PM
count me in on the small but growing hls 2011 club.  i'm not bothering with looking for housing.  if they deny my deferral request, i'm just going to go to columbia instead.  the year off is too important to me.

but i'm still stoked about harvard and i'm sending in my deposit tomorrow!  ;D
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Bartlet on April 19, 2007, 10:40:42 PM
Still holding a smidgen of hope for Y/S (I like small classes), but otherwise I'll happily be at HLS next year.  Oh and I'm all about the off campus housing.  Only a handful of the dorms are significantly cheaper than a studio or 1Br via HAH or craigslist.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Chef Gordon Ramsay on April 20, 2007, 10:46:59 AM
I wouldn't worry about yearlong deferral requests. Harvard seemed very willing and generous with them. Apparently two year deferrals are significantly harder to handle.

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Should I still fill in the application for the housing before tomorrow? It is wrong of me to still apply for housing even if chances are great that I will be deferring?

1. Yes
2. No
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Supergirl on April 20, 2007, 11:50:08 AM
I wouldn't worry about yearlong deferral requests. Harvard seemed very willing and generous with them. Apparently two year deferrals are significantly harder to handle.

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Should I still fill in the application for the housing before tomorrow? It is wrong of me to still apply for housing even if chances are great that I will be deferring?

1. Yes
2. No

Thanks! I went ahead and applied for housing. If I am granted a deferral I'll withdraw my housing app ASAP. Funny - it looks like we have enough deferrals to start a HLS Class of 2011 thread!  :D
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Slow Children At Play on April 20, 2007, 11:59:49 AM
Hey guys, looks like I'll be seeing some of you next year (sending in my deposit on Monday)... and others the year after that!  Are we allowed to apply for both H-Affiliated Housing and the dorms?  I already sent in my dorm preference sheet (I think it's due today), but I might be interested in the former option as well. 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Chef Gordon Ramsay on April 20, 2007, 12:13:03 PM
Yes, I believe you can apply for both. The affiliated deadline is April 30.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: kenny32 on April 20, 2007, 12:25:08 PM
So you all probably got an email awhile back on your Harvard account for a wellness survey for the students already there, and I noticed on the question for gender there were 4, count 'em, 4 choices: 1) male 2) female 3) transgender 4) other. Just a random question, but what in the world is "other"?  ;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Slow Children At Play on April 20, 2007, 12:27:28 PM
So you all probably got an email awhile back on your Harvard account for a wellness survey for the students already there, and I noticed on the question for gender there were 4, count 'em, 4 choices: 1) male 2) female 3) transgender 4) other. Just a random question, but what in the world is "other"?  ;)

Hmmm... Eunuch?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Senator on April 20, 2007, 04:18:52 PM
Count me in as well . . . I'll be sending my deposit on Monday. I'll see what happens with YLS (I'm not withdrawing, "no decision" as of my call yesterday) . . . but it looks like I'm 99% Cambridge-bound!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Slow Children At Play on April 20, 2007, 04:29:13 PM
What's the living situation looking like for you, Senator?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Senator on April 20, 2007, 04:38:41 PM
What's the living situation looking like for you, Senator?

I've put in apps for both HAH and dorm housing (the second mainly as a back-up). Hopefully I'll be able to get a studio or 1B in an HAH complex (Terry Terrace, 29 Garden or Kirkland Ct. would be best, but I'll take others). Which way are you leaning?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Slow Children At Play on April 20, 2007, 05:04:32 PM
I've put in apps for both HAH and dorm housing (the second mainly as a back-up). Hopefully I'll be able to get a studio or 1B in an HAH complex (Terry Terrace, 29 Garden or Kirkland Ct. would be best, but I'll take others). Which way are you leaning?

I'm going to apply to both as well.  Right now I'm kicking myself for not even checking out the HAH while I was there, though.  Am I looking at it wrong, or are there no photos of any of the HAH?  I can only get floor plans.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Senator on April 20, 2007, 05:33:36 PM
I've put in apps for both HAH and dorm housing (the second mainly as a back-up). Hopefully I'll be able to get a studio or 1B in an HAH complex (Terry Terrace, 29 Garden or Kirkland Ct. would be best, but I'll take others). Which way are you leaning?

I'm going to apply to both as well.  Right now I'm kicking myself for not even checking out the HAH while I was there, though.  Am I looking at it wrong, or are there no photos of any of the HAH?  I can only get floor plans.

Some have interior photos and some don't . . . the site seems to be down right now, so I'm not sure which ones have it . . . I'm betting that they will be pretty similar in terms of finishes, etc.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 20, 2007, 08:50:11 PM
So you all probably got an email awhile back on your Harvard account for a wellness survey for the students already there, and I noticed on the question for gender there were 4, count 'em, 4 choices: 1) male 2) female 3) transgender 4) other. Just a random question, but what in the world is "other"?  ;)

A lot of people identify as gender-fluid, gender-queer, no gender, or both. Trans implies (to the best of my knowledge) that one has gone from one gender presentation to another. Some people don't like to make such a categorical statement about their gender identity.


Oh, and tag.

(HAH for me, unless I can find a cheap/pet-friendly/close apartment on CL or similar.)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on April 21, 2007, 12:46:22 AM
I applied for dorms, and will apply for HAH this weekend. Does anyone know what our chances are of getting a dorm if we apply/ getting a decent lottery number? I guess I have to wait until May 4th to find out...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: genericlawschoolapplicant on April 21, 2007, 01:03:04 AM
Hey guys, looks like I'll be seeing some of you next year (sending in my deposit on Monday)... and others the year after that!  Are we allowed to apply for both H-Affiliated Housing and the dorms?  I already sent in my dorm preference sheet (I think it's due today), but I might be interested in the former option as well. 

I asked about this, and as some have already pointed out, you can apply to both.  Here's what they said about it:

You can apply to both. Applying to affiliated housing is free, you would
only be obligated to pay if you select an apartment in your view and select
window. To be included in the lottery for affiliated housing you must apply
by April 30th. If you do receive a dorm room, you just simply shouldn't
select an apartment during your window.

You should keep in mind however if you are assigned a dorm room and later
decide to cancel it in favor of affiliated housing, there may be fees
through your schools dorm office.


And, count me in for HLS 2010!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: fleurs on April 21, 2007, 07:25:05 AM
I'm new to this discussion board & thought I'd add my "I'll be joining you all at HLS in 2010" post! I went to the ASW & thought it was a bit disorganized. But I really liked everyone I met & it got me excited for the fall.

I really could have used this board as I was going through the agonizing application process & then the decision-making process but oh, well! Can't wait to meet you all in the fall!

As for housing, I'm applying for both the dorms & HAH (though as a slightly older student who loves to cook I'm really pulling for HAH). Has anyone had trouble with the application? I'm on a mac & my Affiliation on the application defaults to Administrative Officer & I can't change it... so it doesn't let me move on the the next part of the application.  ???
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on April 21, 2007, 10:22:45 AM
I applied for dorms, and will apply for HAH this weekend. Does anyone know what our chances are of getting a dorm if we apply/ getting a decent lottery number? I guess I have to wait until May 4th to find out...

I attended the housing info session at ASW, and they said that they were going to make every effort to accommodate each 1L who wants to live in the dorms, and that they didn't anticipate anyone who really wants a dorm room getting left out.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 21, 2007, 10:59:50 AM
I'm new to this discussion board & thought I'd add my "I'll be joining you all at HLS in 2010" post! I went to the ASW & thought it was a bit disorganized. But I really liked everyone I met & it got me excited for the fall.

I really could have used this board as I was going through the agonizing application process & then the decision-making process but oh, well! Can't wait to meet you all in the fall!

As for housing, I'm applying for both the dorms & HAH (though as a slightly older student who loves to cook I'm really pulling for HAH). Has anyone had trouble with the application? I'm on a mac & my Affiliation on the application defaults to Administrative Officer & I can't change it... so it doesn't let me move on the the next part of the application.  ???

I had issues with that as well; just change your affiliation (if you can) to graduate. Which I assumed meant graduate student. Which we are.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Chef Gordon Ramsay on April 21, 2007, 03:13:51 PM
Out of curiosity, what exactly did people find "disorganized" about the ASW?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: fleurs on April 22, 2007, 08:06:44 AM
Out of curiosity, what exactly did people find "disorganized" about the ASW?

I think it started with no real indication of where to go for the first event on Sunday morning. There was nothing in the schedule to tell us that Ropes-Gray was a room in Pound & then there were no signs or people to help us find our way... I felt it was our first "test" to see who would make it to the 2nd floor of Pound where there was finally a sign to tell me I was in the right place.

Then it felt like there was no real start to the days events with a welcome speech... Later a student who was supposed to speak on the public interest panel just didn't show up (supposedly because the 3L "prom" was the night before... though I think the panel was at 11, which seems late enough to me).

I guess most of my reaction comes from the fact that I had visited NYU a couple weeks before & found it to be a much better "show."
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 23, 2007, 07:43:30 AM
Has anyone seen anything about a pet policy in HAH? I figured that no news was bad news, but the bf suggested that some professors probably have pets, and maybe there really isn't a no-pet policy. I want a puppy desperately.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on April 23, 2007, 08:26:12 AM
There is a no pet policy for students- if you're a professor, you can do whatever you want, including have a pet in HAH. Oh, and from what I gather, some of the apartments in HAH are furnished and some aren't.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Chef Gordon Ramsay on April 23, 2007, 08:44:17 AM
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another q: are the affiliated housing units furnished?

The ones I looked at weren't. Ikea, here I come.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 23, 2007, 09:32:38 AM
There is a no pet policy for students- if you're a professor, you can do whatever you want, including have a pet in HAH. Oh, and from what I gather, some of the apartments in HAH are furnished and some aren't.

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: USCDancer04 on April 23, 2007, 09:53:21 AM
Hi everyone--I've sent in my seat deposit and am now in the position of trying to figure out where to live...I've been out of school some years and have been living in my own apt. for 6 years, so the thought of living in Gropius is daunting.

When's everyone moving to Cambridge? Any idea when class sections will be assigned?

-Jenni
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on April 23, 2007, 09:54:53 AM
I know how you feel dashrashi- I have the cutest cat my mom's been trying to get me to leave with her all through college, and I finally have to give in. In the long run, though, its probably better not to have to lug bags of cat food and litter from the store without a car. That reminds me, is anyone bringing their car? I really want to bring mine but I get the impression that it may be more trouble than its worth?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on April 23, 2007, 01:52:29 PM
We're on the second page, and not to sound like a gunner or anything, but I want us to be on the first page of posts. Anyway, here's a post to make that happen.  ;D
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 23, 2007, 01:54:54 PM
To that end, I will offer up the question of whether employees are allowed to have pets in HAH. My bf is thinking about trying to get a full-time job at Harvard next year, and this would be a push in that direction.

We're planning on moving up sometime in August--probably relatively earlier. Mid-month or so? Time to settle in and buy a big bad study table.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on April 23, 2007, 01:59:54 PM
Hi everyone--I've sent in my seat deposit and am now in the position of trying to figure out where to live...I've been out of school some years and have been living in my own apt. for 6 years, so the thought of living in Gropius is daunting.

When's everyone moving to Cambridge? Any idea when class sections will be assigned?

-Jenni

I'm moving up in mid-August. I want to give myself a couple weeks to get to know the area before I'm thrown into the stress of 1L. If anyone else is going to be up there then, we should do some exploring of Cambridge and Boston's nightlife together!

I know how you feel dashrashi- I have the cutest cat my mom's been trying to get me to leave with her all through college, and I finally have to give in. In the long run, though, its probably better not to have to lug bags of cat food and litter from the store without a car. That reminds me, is anyone bringing their car? I really want to bring mine but I get the impression that it may be more trouble than its worth?

I'm bringing my car. I found an apartment with a parking space, which, of course, made the ridiculously high rent all the ridiculously higher. I've been told repeatedly that having a car is unnecessary, but the boyfriend and I are lifelong suburbanites, and we wanted to have it as a sort of security blanket, at least for the first year. The only real benefit of having a car, as far as I've been told, is that it makes grocery shopping easier and allows you to more easily travel outside of the Boston metro area, if you are so inclined. We don't intend to use it that much - all I've heard about Boston drivers is extremely intimidating to me!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on April 23, 2007, 02:41:21 PM
I sent my deposit in last week so I'll be joining you all in the fall.

I've spent a few years living in Cambridge so I'm happy to answer questions about the area.

HAH seems nice and I have applied. It has good locations but the rent seems a bit high so don't feel bad if you don't get it, you should still be able to find a good place in a decent location and save a bit on rent. I would recommend looking for a place in walking distance to either Porter or Davis squares in either Cambridge or Sommerville. They both have T stops so it makes it easy to get around (Harvard is a short ride from either stop). Porter Square has a shopping center with a grocery store an Ace hardware store and a couple gyms (one is women only). Davis square has some coffee shops and restaurants and a good used book shop. They are only about a 10-15 minute walk from each other.

Another option is Central Square. Some people think it is less safe but others love that it has more character. The rent is usually a bit cheaper in the area and a lot of students live around there.

I spent my first few years in Cambridge without a car and didn't miss it. When I got a car I used it almost every day. Mostly to get groceries or go to places that seem just out of reach otherwise--like Target. Zipcar is a pretty good option if you'd like to go without a car but would also like to get out a bit further occasionally.

I didn't find parking to be too much trouble. I lived in Cambridge and you can buy a pass from the city for $8 a year to park on the street (I imagine it costs about the same for a somerville pass). As long as you don't live right near one of the "squares" it's not too tough to find a spot. The real obnoxious thing is monthly street cleaning. It's all too easy to forget and expensive to get your car out of the tow yard.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: lizzird on April 23, 2007, 10:53:47 PM
Sending in my deposit tomorrow, so count me in! Now to start dealing with all the details.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Omaha8 on April 24, 2007, 05:11:47 AM
Dropped my deposit off on Friday (and got to ding Yale!)

Commuting question:  It seems like you can park for free on the street in somerville, and be no further away than if you pay to park in the harvard student lots.  is that right?  if so, does anyone know what is the closest street to the lawschool in somerville where you can park without a permit, and about how long of a walk it would be?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: genericlawschoolapplicant on April 24, 2007, 10:00:08 AM
Question for those who've sent in their deposits:  Did they send you a receipt/letter acknowledging they'd received it?  Just curious...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on April 24, 2007, 11:18:43 AM
Question for those who've sent in their deposits:  Did they send you a receipt/letter acknowledging they'd received it?  Just curious...

I got an email from the admissions office saying they received my deposit and another email from Dean Kagan saying that she was glad I'm coming.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Omaha8 on April 24, 2007, 11:21:06 AM
ditto
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: genericlawschoolapplicant on April 24, 2007, 11:55:46 AM
Got that as well.  Thanks, guys!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: jackietob on April 24, 2007, 09:00:13 PM
I am in for class of 2010!  ;D
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: kenny32 on April 24, 2007, 09:25:58 PM
I am in for class of 2010!  ;D

welcome!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on April 25, 2007, 10:03:51 PM
I mailed my deposit today, so I feel like it's really official now!  I'm so excited!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: blk_reign on April 26, 2007, 08:03:15 AM
not attending the law school but I am attending Harvard's Graduate School of Ed in the fall... tagging this because this seems to be the only thread right now that is addressing housing options.. for me on campus housing is out as I have a golden retriever that I really don't want to give up.... do you guys know of any apts that include heat or allow large pets?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on April 27, 2007, 09:30:20 AM
Baff - sent my deposit in, started the HAH app but just didn't have the energy, plus I wanted the camaraderie of dorm life for my first year. So Gropius it is!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Slow Children At Play on April 27, 2007, 09:33:39 AM
Deposit sent today for me too.  Anyone think there will be an issue about not sending photos with my deposit?  I haven't had the chance to go to a photo place in the mall (well, I've probably had the chance, but I haven't gone).  Anyway, I'll send them on Monday.

Is anyone else having trouble with the stupid roommate section of the HAH application?  I'm trying to enter in the stuff but it keeps giving me an error message.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 27, 2007, 09:36:24 AM
I didn't have trouble with the domestic partner thing. (Except for convincing the bf to set up a joint bank account [financial interdependence grumble grumble]. I think right now the solution is that he'll put some money in, put my name on it, and then not give me the checkbook or the debit card.)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Pink on April 27, 2007, 09:43:10 AM
I didn't have trouble with the domestic partner thing. (Except for convincing the bf to set up a joint bank account [financial interdependence grumble grumble]. I think right now the solution is that he'll put some money in, put my name on it, and then not give me the checkbook or the debit card.)

 :o does Harvard require a joint bank account for domestic partners?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 27, 2007, 09:45:24 AM
I didn't have trouble with the domestic partner thing. (Except for convincing the bf to set up a joint bank account [financial interdependence grumble grumble]. I think right now the solution is that he'll put some money in, put my name on it, and then not give me the checkbook or the debit card.)

 :o does Harvard require a joint bank account for domestic partners?

I know, right? The HAH website said blah blah over eighteen, long-term relationship and financial interdependence. I took that to mean a joint bank account.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Pink on April 27, 2007, 10:00:16 AM
I didn't have trouble with the domestic partner thing. (Except for convincing the bf to set up a joint bank account [financial interdependence grumble grumble]. I think right now the solution is that he'll put some money in, put my name on it, and then not give me the checkbook or the debit card.)

 :o does Harvard require a joint bank account for domestic partners?

I know, right? The HAH website said blah blah over eighteen, long-term relationship and financial interdependence. I took that to mean a joint bank account.

hmm, I'm really confused.  This is what a (possibly outdated) document on the website says on the subject:


Quote
LISTING A SPOUSE/DOMESTIC PARTNER
A Statement of Marriage/Domestic Partnership form (available at the Residential Leasing Office—see page 1) should be completed and returned to our office as soon as possible in order to add your spouse/domestic partner to our tenant files as an authorized occupant.

Harvard Real Estate Services will consider an individual to be the domestic partner of a tenant if the couple is involved in a committed relationship for their mutual support and benefit; if they interact as a family and share expenses of living, including rent, food, and other daily expenses; if this relationship has lasted more than six months; if both people are over 18 years old; and if neither person is married or involved in another committed relationship with any other individual.

Only a Harvard affiliate may be named as a tenant on a Harvard Residential Lease. A non-affiliated spouse/domestic partner is not eligible to be named as a tenant on a lease and may not retain possession of the apartment if the Harvard-affiliated tenant vacates the apartment.
Tenants shall not permit any other person or persons to occupy any part or all of the Premises for longer than a temporary (i.e., no longer than a week) visit, without on each occasion the prior written consent of the Landlord.

what exactly does "if they interact as a family and share expenses of living, including rent, food, and other daily expenses;" mean?  Does that mean you have to be doing that now, to be able to list the person as a domestic partner?  Or that you have to be doing that while living in UAH housing with your dp?  My bf and I don't live together now, but we would be in Cambridge. 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 27, 2007, 10:13:35 AM
Sheeit. I don't know.

I'd say next year probably counts, but I might give them a call later.

SO irritating.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: jackietob on April 27, 2007, 12:46:45 PM
We now have a facebook group.  Someone started "HLS Class of 2010"
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 27, 2007, 01:39:43 PM
The deposit, she is mailed. I am such a procrastinator.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on April 29, 2007, 11:49:14 AM
I'll do you one better dashrashi, I'm fedexing my deposit tomorrow.  ;D Also, speaking from experience, don't get a joint checking account unless you and your bf are the type of people who would have an amicable breakup if you broke up- the bank will not remove your name from the joint account unless you're dead so you have to try to close the account, which is near impossible unless the other person agrees or you get a court order. You could probably prove financial interdependence if you live together now, just show that you both pay the rent by producing old checks or two names on a lease. Good luck!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on April 29, 2007, 01:05:21 PM
Unfortunately, we currently live in separate dorm rooms. I'm just going to put my fingers in my ears and pretend like nothing could possibly be amiss.

(nicely played on the deposit. I still haven't withdrawn from anywhere, which is rude, but also good for lazy people, because now schools have started to do it for me. Thanks, GW!)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: tdvone on April 30, 2007, 06:32:28 AM
I didn't have trouble with the domestic partner thing. (Except for convincing the bf to set up a joint bank account [financial interdependence grumble grumble]. I think right now the solution is that he'll put some money in, put my name on it, and then not give me the checkbook or the debit card.)

 :o does Harvard require a joint bank account for domestic partners?

I know, right? The HAH website said blah blah over eighteen, long-term relationship and financial interdependence. I took that to mean a joint bank account.

hmm, I'm really confused.  This is what a (possibly outdated) document on the website says on the subject:


Quote
LISTING A SPOUSE/DOMESTIC PARTNER
A Statement of Marriage/Domestic Partnership form (available at the Residential Leasing Office—see page 1) should be completed and returned to our office as soon as possible in order to add your spouse/domestic partner to our tenant files as an authorized occupant.

Harvard Real Estate Services will consider an individual to be the domestic partner of a tenant if the couple is involved in a committed relationship for their mutual support and benefit; if they interact as a family and share expenses of living, including rent, food, and other daily expenses; if this relationship has lasted more than six months; if both people are over 18 years old; and if neither person is married or involved in another committed relationship with any other individual.

Only a Harvard affiliate may be named as a tenant on a Harvard Residential Lease. A non-affiliated spouse/domestic partner is not eligible to be named as a tenant on a lease and may not retain possession of the apartment if the Harvard-affiliated tenant vacates the apartment.
Tenants shall not permit any other person or persons to occupy any part or all of the Premises for longer than a temporary (i.e., no longer than a week) visit, without on each occasion the prior written consent of the Landlord.

what exactly does "if they interact as a family and share expenses of living, including rent, food, and other daily expenses;" mean?  Does that mean you have to be doing that now, to be able to list the person as a domestic partner?  Or that you have to be doing that while living in UAH housing with your dp?  My bf and I don't live together now, but we would be in Cambridge. 

I was at the Harvard Real Estate office the other day signing my lease and talking to the leasing-agent made it seem that the domestic partner thing is pretty open-ended. I mentioned that my girlfriend might be moving in with me and she said "well you should sign one of these" and handed me the form "otherwise we can't let her in if she's locked out". I highly doubt a joint account is necessary.

You people are reading too much into this  :P If you're going to be moving-in with a gf or bf (or spouse, partner etc.) I'm sure you're fine. What they don't want is you bringing in a non-Harvard affiliated roommate because you're trying to save on rent or some other reason.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Princessa1 on April 30, 2007, 11:27:26 AM
Hi Guys, I just decided I am coming!
:o
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Princessa1 on April 30, 2007, 11:54:13 AM
link for the facebook group? anyone?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Princessa1 on April 30, 2007, 11:58:38 AM
i tried that and it didn't work? maybe once i join the network
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: jackietob on April 30, 2007, 12:36:29 PM
Has anyone looked into the loan stuff at all? (Harvard kinda shafted me with the aid, so I will be borrowing a terrifying amount.)  Anyway, any thoughts on borrowing Stafford or GradPlus straight from the govt vs. private lenders?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Aaron42 on April 30, 2007, 12:47:07 PM
i tried that and it didn't work? maybe once i join the network

Yeah, I couldn't find it either.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Slow Children At Play on April 30, 2007, 12:51:47 PM
Has anyone looked into the loan stuff at all? (Harvard kinda shafted me with the aid, so I will be borrowing a terrifying amount.)  Anyway, any thoughts on borrowing Stafford or GradPlus straight from the govt vs. private lenders?

I'm in the same position--trying to decipher some of the Fin. Aid stuff as we speak.  I'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts.  I guess I really should look into this a little more carefully, as some lender will own my soul for the forseeable future. :-\
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Aaron42 on April 30, 2007, 12:53:18 PM
Count me in! I sent my deposit check on Tuesday - looking forward to joining the class of 2010 in August!

I'll be living off campus, about a 15 minute walk from the law school. I can't really speak to the dorms issue, since, knowing that they weren't really an option for me, I didn't go on the tour during ASW. They do seem to be a good way to make some friends, though. I kind of regret being cut off from that aspect, since being in a relationship is already a bit socially limiting. Hopefully you guys living in the dorms won't mind my visiting!

Hey Blue,

I don't mean to be completely random, but what else are message boards for... ;)

I saw a post you made awhile back on another HLS thread saying something about how you love college basketball and that you're bringing your SO with you to Harvard...and I immediately decided we should be friends.  ;D

I'm assuming you'll be in an apartment next year...how did you find it? My boyfriend and I are looking (or trying to, despite finals) for something not extremely expensive that is within walking/bike-riding distance of the law school.

--LDF
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on April 30, 2007, 01:28:45 PM
I don't know why you didnt get it in the search but:

http://harvard.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2360432304
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on April 30, 2007, 02:16:17 PM
LDF -

We went through a broker at Paragon Properties in Boston. We also went around with an agent from Bayside Realty, but we were thoroughly unimpressed (the office was cramped, the agents were dressed in blue jeans, the property that he showed us was absolutely disgusting after he proclaimed it to be "really awesome"). Bayside we found through Craigslist; Paragon we found through a Google search for Boston-area apartment listings. I'm not sure that I would rave about Paragon, since we did feel a little pressured by our agent and have not heard a peep from her since she cashed our check for her fee (though we did Google her and the agency to make sure there was nothing glaring before we signed the lease, and she checked out fine). We were a little crunched for time, though, since my boyfriend starts his job in July and we weren't going to have another chance to go apartment-hunting.

Take this with a grain of salt since I am far from an expert on realty, but I would really start out on Craigslist and see if you see anything that appeals to you. Be prepared, though, to deal with a broker's fee, as I've been told that a lot of the properties that are close to the law school are associated with one. Sometimes, though, the landlords will split it with you, as ours did. We really wanted a 2 br and a parking space, so we're definitely paying a premium for that, but if you can live without one or both of those things, you might be able to find something more affordable in the area. Good luck!! Also, I must say that I'm glad to encounter another future classmate who is a fan of college basketball and is bringing a significant other (not that I'm not glad to encounter those of you who don't fit that description as well). I look forward to meeting you in the fall! :)

Also, just FYI for those who were wondering about the Facebook group...it's not a global group, so you have to be on the Harvard network for it to come up in a search.

[end novel]
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Princessa1 on April 30, 2007, 02:20:05 PM
I don't know why you didnt get it in the search but:

http://harvard.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2360432304

thank you!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: LinaB on May 01, 2007, 09:34:11 AM
Sent in my deposit today!   :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on May 01, 2007, 02:36:15 PM
Hey, so it's May 1st. I hope I haven't missed any deadlines... deposit's done, housing lottery's done... financial aid?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on May 02, 2007, 02:53:51 PM
Hey, so it's May 1st. I hope I haven't missed any deadlines... deposit's done, housing lottery's done... financial aid?

So what happens next? Does anyone know when sections are assigned? When do we find out our fall schedules? What's the curriculum going to be like (old school or new school 1L)? When are you all moving out there (I'm thinking about Aug 15 to give a couple weeks to settle in, find furniture etc)?

ps I believe fin aid doesn't have a deadline per se, but the sooner you get it in the sooner you know your prospective debtload.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Senator on May 02, 2007, 04:03:16 PM
Sent in my deposit today!   :)

great choice  ;), congrats!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: just call me elle on May 02, 2007, 04:05:48 PM
Hey, so it's May 1st. I hope I haven't missed any deadlines... deposit's done, housing lottery's done... financial aid?

So what happens next? Does anyone know when sections are assigned? When do we find out our fall schedules? What's the curriculum going to be like (old school or new school 1L)? When are you all moving out there (I'm thinking about Aug 15 to give a couple weeks to settle in, find furniture etc)?

ps I believe fin aid doesn't have a deadline per se, but the sooner you get it in the sooner you know your prospective debtload.

sections get assigned mid-summer (late July/early August). curriculum includes the new international law courses.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on May 02, 2007, 05:31:58 PM
Hey, so it's May 1st. I hope I haven't missed any deadlines... deposit's done, housing lottery's done... financial aid?

So what happens next? Does anyone know when sections are assigned? When do we find out our fall schedules? What's the curriculum going to be like (old school or new school 1L)? When are you all moving out there (I'm thinking about Aug 15 to give a couple weeks to settle in, find furniture etc)?

ps I believe fin aid doesn't have a deadline per se, but the sooner you get it in the sooner you know your prospective debtload.

sections get assigned mid-summer (late July/early August). curriculum includes the new international law courses.

Where is some solid info on what our 1L curriculum will be?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: lovethelaw2010 on May 02, 2007, 08:17:50 PM
Well I'm not going to Harvard but just wanted to congragulate all of you guys who made it in.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on May 02, 2007, 08:22:01 PM
Well I'm not going to Harvard but just wanted to congragulate all of you guys who made it in.

Aw, thank you!  :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on May 02, 2007, 10:45:32 PM
Congrats to everyone who sent in their deposits, I know I feel so much better knowing where I'll be in the fall! Also, here's what it seems to me most of us have left to do before August:

- financial aid/loan stuff
- figure out housing
- get college certifications

Is there anything major I'm missing? As you can probably tell, I'm a list person...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: amaterasu on May 02, 2007, 10:54:57 PM
Congrats to everyone who sent in their deposits, I know I feel so much better knowing where I'll be in the fall! Also, here's what it seems to me most of us have left to do before August:

- financial aid/loan stuff
- figure out housing
- get college certifications

Is there anything major I'm missing? As you can probably tell, I'm a list person...

The (incredibly intrusive) medical questionnaire stuff. 

Can anyone who currently goes to school in Mass. (maybe at Harvard?) elaborate on how you get exemption from getting insurance through the school? (I've checked Harvard's site and it's not only a pain to navigate but very uninformative -- beyond "If you're coverage is equivalent to ours, you can get the requirement to use our insurance waived" I couldn't find anything.) 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on May 03, 2007, 03:12:14 AM
Congrats to everyone who sent in their deposits, I know I feel so much better knowing where I'll be in the fall! Also, here's what it seems to me most of us have left to do before August:

- financial aid/loan stuff
- figure out housing
- get college certifications

Is there anything major I'm missing? As you can probably tell, I'm a list person...

The (incredibly intrusive) medical questionnaire stuff. 

Can anyone who currently goes to school in Mass. (maybe at Harvard?) elaborate on how you get exemption from getting insurance through the school? (I've checked Harvard's site and it's not only a pain to navigate but very uninformative -- beyond "If you're coverage is equivalent to ours, you can get the requirement to use our insurance waived" I couldn't find anything.) 


Oh, I just looked at this... how annoying.   
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Slow Children At Play on May 03, 2007, 06:26:46 AM
Congrats to everyone who sent in their deposits, I know I feel so much better knowing where I'll be in the fall! Also, here's what it seems to me most of us have left to do before August:

- financial aid/loan stuff
- figure out housing
- get college certifications

Is there anything major I'm missing? As you can probably tell, I'm a list person...

The (incredibly intrusive) medical questionnaire stuff. 

Can anyone who currently goes to school in Mass. (maybe at Harvard?) elaborate on how you get exemption from getting insurance through the school? (I've checked Harvard's site and it's not only a pain to navigate but very uninformative -- beyond "If you're coverage is equivalent to ours, you can get the requirement to use our insurance waived" I couldn't find anything.) 


Oh, I just looked at this... how annoying.   

Was this in the admissions binder?  Damnit...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Omaha8 on May 03, 2007, 07:12:20 AM
The health insurance info is at http://huhs.harvard.edu/HealthnDentalPlans/RequiredHealthInfo.htm
(most of this type of stuff can be found by going to student services on the main HLS webpage, and then following the dean of students link).

I was told they are making up the section schedules now; my understanding is that we'll have the new intl and admin courses, but not the winter problem solving (still finals in jan for us this year)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: blk_reign on May 03, 2007, 08:03:40 AM
do u guys know anything about the Chelsea area?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: jackietob on May 03, 2007, 08:07:44 AM
Anyone else a little nervous about having 5 classes per semester?  I'm wondering how much a professor who's been teaching contracts/property/torts etc for 20 years is actually going to cut down their syllabus.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Omaha8 on May 03, 2007, 08:13:16 AM
We asked a 1L property prof about this at the ASW faculty lunch, and he said that for most classes it wouldn't be a problem.  He said that in each class, there are hundreds of rules, and you only really scratch the surface in the 1L survey, so if they ask him to cut 20%, then he'll just cover the 40 most important rules, rather than 50.  It's all about learning how to think like a lawyer anyway, he argued, not about covering all the law, so trimming wouldn't be a problem.  Seemed fairly convincing...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: jackietob on May 03, 2007, 08:16:45 AM
Thanks, that is definitely good to hear!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: LinaB on May 03, 2007, 09:50:30 AM
Thanks, Senator!  I'm really thrilled with my decision.  I visited the law school and Cambridge last weekend, and I absolutely loved it.  Congrats to you too on a very impressive admissions cycle!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Shark on May 03, 2007, 10:30:31 AM
Congrats to everyone who sent in their deposits, I know I feel so much better knowing where I'll be in the fall! Also, here's what it seems to me most of us have left to do before August:

- financial aid/loan stuff
- figure out housing
- get college certifications

Is there anything major I'm missing? As you can probably tell, I'm a list person...
Official Transcripts, too.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on May 04, 2007, 09:39:22 AM
Anybody else get their affiliated housing select and view dates today? I'm not sue how the selection process works. Is there a mad rush at 6am on the select day?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Pink on May 04, 2007, 09:58:09 AM
Anybody else get their affiliated housing select and view dates today? I'm not sue how the selection process works. Is there a mad rush at 6am on the select day?

I take this to mean that you received notification of your view/select window.  If so, congratulations, you are in teh first window.  I sent in my app, but cannot view/select yet.  You should have received a lottery number.  That number determines your priority.  Anybody with a lower number than yours has priority over you.  They can basically "take away" any apartment you select if they want it.  Not sure if HAH notifies you if you lose your selected apartment.  If you don't have a very good number (assuming they let you know the range of numbers that are viewing/selecting in your window), it might be best to wait till the end of the window to make your selection.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: markasparov on May 04, 2007, 11:56:43 AM
Sorry, just found the thread.  Wish I'd had it when I was trying to make housing decisons...

See you all in the fall, though!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on May 04, 2007, 12:22:52 PM
Anybody else get their affiliated housing select and view dates today? I'm not sue how the selection process works. Is there a mad rush at 6am on the select day?

I take this to mean that you received notification of your view/select window.  If so, congratulations, you are in teh first window.  I sent in my app, but cannot view/select yet.  You should have received a lottery number.  That number determines your priority.  Anybody with a lower number than yours has priority over you.  They can basically "take away" any apartment you select if they want it.  Not sure if HAH notifies you if you lose your selected apartment.  If you don't have a very good number (assuming they let you know the range of numbers that are viewing/selecting in your window), it might be best to wait till the end of the window to make your selection.

I didn't receive a lottery number and I haven't heard anything about one. Is it possible you're confusing the on-campus housing lottery with the affiliated housing? Or did I miss something?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on May 04, 2007, 12:24:13 PM
No, there's a lottery for HAH too. I haven't gotten my number yet either, though. Pink seems like the person with all the knowledge, so I'll defer to her.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Pink on May 04, 2007, 12:38:27 PM
Anybody else get their affiliated housing select and view dates today? I'm not sue how the selection process works. Is there a mad rush at 6am on the select day?

I take this to mean that you received notification of your view/select window.  If so, congratulations, you are in teh first window.  I sent in my app, but cannot view/select yet.  You should have received a lottery number.  That number determines your priority.  Anybody with a lower number than yours has priority over you.  They can basically "take away" any apartment you select if they want it.  Not sure if HAH notifies you if you lose your selected apartment.  If you don't have a very good number (assuming they let you know the range of numbers that are viewing/selecting in your window), it might be best to wait till the end of the window to make your selection.

I didn't receive a lottery number and I haven't heard anything about one. Is it possible you're confusing the on-campus housing lottery with the affiliated housing? Or did I miss something?

road,

your post asked if "anybody else got their...today."  I took that to mean that either you, or someone you know of, received information about their select window.  Everything else I said about affiliated housing is correct though (assuming what the told us at the housing panel still stands), you will receive a lottery number and a view/select window which, together, determine when you can pick an apt and give you "trumping" rights :D.  I called the housing office today and they said that we should receive notifications today or tomorrow.  So far, nada.   
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on May 04, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
Pink, I just got mine. Time to check again?

ETA: no lottery number that I could see...is there a place to find this out online?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 04, 2007, 12:55:15 PM
I had no lottery number for the HAH application, but I just got an awesome number for the dorms, so I think I'm pulling out of the HAH lottery.  I'm not sure where I want to live, though.  I'd prefer North, but it's such a hefty price tag...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Pink on May 04, 2007, 12:56:22 PM
Pink, I just got mine. Time to check again?

ETA: no lottery number that I could see...is there a place to find this out online?

hmm, I still haven't gotten mine.  Maybe I am confusing it with the lottery number for the dorms (although a current student confirmed the HAH lottery, and priority picks).

In any case, have fun picking.  I think I'm getting pwned by HAH.  :-\
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on May 04, 2007, 12:57:50 PM
Pink, I just got mine. Time to check again?

ETA: no lottery number that I could see...is there a place to find this out online?

hmm, I still haven't gotten mine.  Maybe I am confusing it with the lottery number for the dorms (although a current student confirmed the HAH lottery, and priority picks).

In any case, have fun picking.  I think I'm getting pwned by HAH.  :-\

I'm going to try to go up to Cambridge after graduation with the bf and look at other apts, actually. Pet-friendliness is the issue. And if we like one of those, I'm dropping out of HAH too. I think my HAH number is 5? That seems to be the viewing window number. That website is so labyrinthine. Ugh.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 04, 2007, 01:03:07 PM
Pink, I just got mine. Time to check again?

ETA: no lottery number that I could see...is there a place to find this out online?

hmm, I still haven't gotten mine.  Maybe I am confusing it with the lottery number for the dorms (although a current student confirmed the HAH lottery, and priority picks).

In any case, have fun picking.  I think I'm getting pwned by HAH.  :-\

I'm going to try to go up to Cambridge after graduation with the bf and look at other apts, actually. Pet-friendliness is the issue. And if we like one of those, I'm dropping out of HAH too. I think my HAH number is 5? That seems to be the viewing window number. That website is so labyrinthine. Ugh.

Where did you find your number?

Edit: nevermind.  Found mine, it's number 3.  I don't know if that's a lottery number or not, but since I haven't seen anything else I'll assume that's what it is for now.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: chenka on May 04, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
Anyone have any idea if lottery number 147 will give me a realistic shot at having a room in Hastings next year?

Hastings accomodates 97 students but returning students have their lottery before 0Ls, so I have no idea how many spaces are still open there.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: jackietob on May 04, 2007, 02:08:08 PM
Anyone else get worked (waitlisted) in the dorm lottery?   
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on May 04, 2007, 02:11:26 PM
Anybody else get their affiliated housing select and view dates today? I'm not sue how the selection process works. Is there a mad rush at 6am on the select day?

I take this to mean that you received notification of your view/select window.  If so, congratulations, you are in teh first window.  I sent in my app, but cannot view/select yet.  You should have received a lottery number.  That number determines your priority.  Anybody with a lower number than yours has priority over you.  They can basically "take away" any apartment you select if they want it.  Not sure if HAH notifies you if you lose your selected apartment.  If you don't have a very good number (assuming they let you know the range of numbers that are viewing/selecting in your window), it might be best to wait till the end of the window to make your selection.

I didn't receive a lottery number and I haven't heard anything about one. Is it possible you're confusing the on-campus housing lottery with the affiliated housing? Or did I miss something?

road,

your post asked if "anybody else got their...today."  I took that to mean that either you, or someone you know of, received information about their select window.  Everything else I said about affiliated housing is correct though (assuming what the told us at the housing panel still stands), you will receive a lottery number and a view/select window which, together, determine when you can pick an apt and give you "trumping" rights :D.  I called the housing office today and they said that we should receive notifications today or tomorrow.  So far, nada.   

Sorry if I sounded rude, I did get my view/select assignment but there wasn't a lottery number included. Maybe they just use a lottery number internally to choose among applications for the same place. I guess it wouldn't help me much to know what that number was anyway since there's no way to tell who else may be bidding for what apartment.

Their website is pretty cryptic so thanks for passing along what you've heard Pink.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Bartlet on May 04, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
For the HAH, we don't have "lottery" numbers exactly.  We are assigned a window (you probably received that email), and that window corresponds to a Window Number.  You can view the list of window numbers on the main "announcements" page for the HAH website (http://www.hres.harvard.edu/RRE/NewWeb/Brochure/Affiliated/announcements.htm).  For example, my window begins 6/25 6:05am, I have Viewing window number 8.  Finally, your "select" window corresponds with your viewing window.

Did I make any sense with all that rambling?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Pink on May 04, 2007, 02:30:15 PM
For the HAH, we don't have "lottery" numbers exactly.  We are assigned a window (you probably received that email), and that window corresponds to a Window Number.  You can view the list of window numbers on the main "announcements" page for the HAH website (http://www.hres.harvard.edu/RRE/NewWeb/Brochure/Affiliated/announcements.htm).  For example, my window begins 6/25 6:05am, I have Viewing window number 8.  Finally, your "select" window corresponds with your viewing window.

Did I make any sense with all that rambling?

yes, that makes sense, and thanks for the link.  Is it strange that I've still not received my window assignment yet?  My application for HAH was received and processed in mid-april.  really confused.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on May 04, 2007, 02:32:47 PM
Alphabetical? I'm early.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: jrwatkins on May 04, 2007, 02:33:21 PM
I still haven't received my HAH viewing window either. Hope that isn't a bad omen.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 04, 2007, 02:52:48 PM
For the HAH, we don't have "lottery" numbers exactly.  We are assigned a window (you probably received that email), and that window corresponds to a Window Number.  You can view the list of window numbers on the main "announcements" page for the HAH website (http://www.hres.harvard.edu/RRE/NewWeb/Brochure/Affiliated/announcements.htm).  For example, my window begins 6/25 6:05am, I have Viewing window number 8.  Finally, your "select" window corresponds with your viewing window.

Did I make any sense with all that rambling?

yes, that makes sense, and thanks for the link.  Is it strange that I've still not received my window assignment yet?  My application for HAH was received and processed in mid-april.  really confused.

It seems like the emails are coming in order of windows.  Maybe it just means you got a later window.  We know they've gone at least as far as 8, but there are 13 total windows.  Has anyone gotten window 13 yet?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Pink on May 04, 2007, 02:56:29 PM
It seems like the emails are coming in order of windows.  Maybe it just means you got a later window.  We know they've gone at least as far as 8, but there are 13 total windows.  Has anyone gotten window 13 yet?

 :D, That basically killed any hope I had left.  But you may be right.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 04, 2007, 02:58:36 PM
 :-\

Sorry, I wish I could give you my window.  I could be wrong!  Besides, a lot of people probably did what I did and went into both lotteries in case they got waitlisted for the dorms.  I'm pretty sure I'm pulling out of the HAH lottery, and maybe other people before you will too.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: H4CS on May 04, 2007, 03:15:43 PM
Anyone have any idea if lottery number 147 will give me a realistic shot at having a room in Hastings next year?

Hastings accomodates 97 students but returning students have their lottery before 0Ls, so I have no idea how many spaces are still open there.

I live in Hastings now and there are people who had lower numbers than you who got in.  That doesn't necessarily mean you'll make it, however, who knows.  The school uses a modified version of the traditional marriage algorithm (or at least that's what it was called when I learned it in an algorithms class) and so it's kind of weird (but awesome if implemented correctly).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 04, 2007, 03:20:48 PM
re: Hastings - can you get to the basement (for laundry and kitchens) from the inside of any of the buildings?  I remember hearing some grumblings from current students, but I didn't catch the details.

Also, that HAH site gives me a headache.  Does anyone know how to figure out which apartments are furnished and which aren't???
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: H4CS on May 04, 2007, 03:25:14 PM
re: Hastings - can you get to the basement (for laundry and kitchens) from the inside of any of the buildings?  I remember hearing some grumblings from current students, but I didn't catch the details.

No. Only Hastings students can get into the basement with a key.  At the same time, the journals offices are in the basement so people will let you in all the time and you can make you way to the laundry, if for whatever reason you felt like that.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 04, 2007, 03:28:28 PM
Sorry, I phrased my question incorrectly.  One of the students I talked to mentioned that there were several entrances to Hastings (sort of like mini-complexes), and grumbled about having to go outside to get to some other part of Hastings.  I was wondering if the basement is accessible from within all the entrances or if you have to leave your entrance and go to another in order to reach the basement.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: H4CS on May 04, 2007, 03:31:07 PM
Sorry, I phrased my question incorrectly.  One of the students I talked to mentioned that there were several entrances to Hastings (sort of like mini-complexes), and grumbled about having to go outside to get to some other part of Hastings.  I was wondering if the basement is accessible from within all the entrances or if you have to leave your entrance and go to another in order to reach the basement.

The students you were talking to are wrong if that's what they said.  All entryways have access to the basement, the basement has access to each entryway, and your key works in every entryway.  What is true is that the entryways are not connected above the basement so if I am on the fourth four of entryway 1 and want to visit someone on the fourth floor of entryway 2, I have to walk down 4 flights of stairs to the basement and then up 4 more.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 04, 2007, 03:32:56 PM
Ah, okay, that makes sense.  Thanks!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on May 04, 2007, 03:39:26 PM
Ah, okay, that makes sense.  Thanks!

It doesn't really make sense. [curses under breath; stupid f-ing entryway system]
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: H4CS on May 04, 2007, 04:28:40 PM
It doesn't really make sense. [curses under breath; stupid f-ing entryway system]

This is the least of concerns [stupid f-ing lack of a kitchen on my floor]
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: dashrashi on May 04, 2007, 04:33:15 PM
Point taken. This is why I'm living off. I heart my own food and refrigerator.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on May 04, 2007, 05:02:33 PM
I have a question about the lottery numbers: the e-mail says that people with number 1-100 get to choose their dorms from 12-8 on Tuesday. Does that mean that if my number is something like 80, then I could conceivably pick a room before someone who didn't log on until later that day but had a lottery number of 5? Just wondering.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 04, 2007, 05:08:11 PM
I think you can pick a room if your number is later, but if someone with a higher number comes and wants your room, they can take it.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on May 04, 2007, 06:20:45 PM
I think you can pick a room if your number is later, but if someone with a higher number comes and wants your room, they can take it.

Sounds kind of cutthroat, but I guess they are training lawyers :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Slow Children At Play on May 04, 2007, 06:56:58 PM
Hmm... it appears that 249 isn't the ideal lottery number.  I guess the fortune cookie I ate today was defective.  It said: "the winds will bring good things your way."  Bummer.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Every Guy on May 04, 2007, 07:39:43 PM
Hmm... it appears that 249 isn't the ideal lottery number.  I guess the fortune cookie I ate today was defective.  It said: "the winds will bring good things your way."  Bummer.

Get a new cookie... ass.

I'm #87.  I win.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: H4CS on May 04, 2007, 07:57:16 PM
I have a question about the lottery numbers: the e-mail says that people with number 1-100 get to choose their dorms from 12-8 on Tuesday. Does that mean that if my number is something like 80, then I could conceivably pick a room before someone who didn't log on until later that day but had a lottery number of 5? Just wondering.

So like I said, it's a modified version of the traditional marriage algorithm (where each of the brides has the same ranking)  Essentially, everyone goes to their first choice pick, and the bridge (the room) tells the highest ranked suitor (you) to stay and the rest hit the road.  All who remain then go to their next highest ranked room (whatever you want) and that room tells the highest person to stay and so on.   

In practice, what this means is that you can only choose rooms that are not occupied by someone who has a higher ranked number than you.  You can be booted from a room by someone with a lower ranked number than you if they choose after you and so you choose again from the set of rooms not occupied by someone with a lower number than you.  The math behind it is pretty simple and fun.  In practice it can be incomprehensible.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: jackietob on May 04, 2007, 08:00:43 PM
Hmm... it appears that 249 isn't the ideal lottery number.  I guess the fortune cookie I ate today was defective.  It said: "the winds will bring good things your way."  Bummer.

Woot woot, I beat you!  247...  :)   
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Pink on May 05, 2007, 06:25:38 AM
still no e-mail  >:(
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 05, 2007, 08:03:18 AM
still no e-mail  >:(

wow...

did you get an application approval email after you sent in your admissions letter?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Pink on May 05, 2007, 09:41:28 AM
still no e-mail  >:(

wow...

did you get an application approval email after you sent in your admissions letter?

no, I didn't.  But the housing website says my application is approved.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on May 05, 2007, 10:17:15 AM
Is anyone else having trouble getting onto the website mentioned in the dorm lottery e-mail for where to go for more info? Also, I have no idea where I want to live. My number's 92, so I assume that means I'll have some degree of choice about my room. I didn't see the housing when I was in Boston, so what are people's opinions of the different options? Gropius is a lot cheaper, are Hastings and North really worth the price jump? I do like the idea of my own bathroom (in North)...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Doraemon on May 05, 2007, 07:13:14 PM
Is anyone else having trouble getting onto the website mentioned in the dorm lottery e-mail for where to go for more info? Also, I have no idea where I want to live. My number's 92, so I assume that means I'll have some degree of choice about my room. I didn't see the housing when I was in Boston, so what are people's opinions of the different options? Gropius is a lot cheaper, are Hastings and North really worth the price jump? I do like the idea of my own bathroom (in North)...

The website is probably this:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/housing/dorms/nextyear/
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Princessa1 on May 06, 2007, 01:20:12 PM
Anyone else get worked (waitlisted) in the dorm lottery?   

i did! (how rude!)...does this mean that we are not guarenteed housing?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 07, 2007, 07:42:22 AM
Is anyone else having trouble getting onto the website mentioned in the dorm lottery e-mail for where to go for more info? Also, I have no idea where I want to live. My number's 92, so I assume that means I'll have some degree of choice about my room. I didn't see the housing when I was in Boston, so what are people's opinions of the different options? Gropius is a lot cheaper, are Hastings and North really worth the price jump? I do like the idea of my own bathroom (in North)...

The link didn't work for me either.  I emailed and they told me that the period at the end of the sentence is not supposed to be hyperlinked with the rest of the URL.  Click on the link and then delete the period at the end.  (This isn't the same site that doraemon posted, though I did the same thing last week).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Slow Children At Play on May 07, 2007, 08:35:13 AM
I know a few of us are waitlisted for housing--what does that generally mean?  Are we guaranteed to get it?  Could we get "stuck" with the option of having to shell out $13k for a room in North we don't really want? 

I hate lotteries.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 07, 2007, 09:07:26 AM
btw, I don't know if anyone else was wondering or unclear like me, but I checked and all the HAH units are unfurnished

SCAP, I heard at the ASW that it isn't explicitly guaranteed, but it is fairly certain that 1L's who want in at the dorms will get in.  I know nothing about how it tends to shake down on what units most people get.  I know that they said many people get waitlisted because lots of folks go in for HAH and the dorms, just in case.  There are a fair number of people that take HAH over the dorms or make other arrangements.  I believe this also extends to 2 and 3Ls, though to a lesser extent.  This apparently means that 1Ls who want a dorm will get it, but not necessarily the one they want.

I really want North, but I'm balking at spending that much money.  I don't like Gropius, though...it looks miserable and I'm pretty sure I'd hate living there.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Princessa1 on May 07, 2007, 09:28:33 AM
I know a few of us are waitlisted for housing--what does that generally mean?  Are we guaranteed to get it?  Could we get "stuck" with the option of having to shell out $13k for a room in North we don't really want? 

I hate lotteries.

I am waitlisted and was worried about the same thing. I hope it won't work out that way, but I think I remember hearing something earlier about non-law students living in Gropius. I think this means that at the end of the lottery there are still rooms there that are not taken by law students (b/c we have priority over non-law students) so I don't think we will be "stuck" with shelling out the 13k. (Or at least that is what I am hoping)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Senator on May 07, 2007, 07:48:29 PM
Hmm... it appears that 249 isn't the ideal lottery number.  I guess the fortune cookie I ate today was defective.  It said: "the winds will bring good things your way."  Bummer.

Neither is my 218 . . . hmmm,

I'm in window 7 for HAH . . .

Anyone who went through this last year have any comments?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Aaron42 on May 07, 2007, 08:49:37 PM
I'm in window 7 for HAH . . .

Me too. This would be significantly better if I were going to be in the country during the view window...but I guess that's why man invented the internet cafe. At least I'll be home for the selection day. On that note, I better not get stranded in an airport during my selection day...yipes.

I'd also welcome input from no-longer-1Ls who went through this last year.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on May 07, 2007, 10:51:10 PM
I'm in window 7 for HAH . . .

Me too. This would be significantly better if I were going to be in the country during the view window...but I guess that's why man invented the internet cafe. At least I'll be home for the selection day. On that note, I better not get stranded in an airport during my selection day...yipes.

I'd also welcome input from no-longer-1Ls who went through this last year.

I'm in window 1, so I'm in the view period now and can let you know how the process works for me. Basically you log in and get a longish list of all the available apartments. I'm coming out with my spouse and two kids so it only shows me two and three bedroom apartments. You can click a "view" link next to each apartment and it gives you a stats page similar to the "compare apartments" page as well as a floorplan for that apartment.

When you log in you get this notice:
Quote
Please be aware that other affiliates share your View and Select windows. Therefore, even if an apartment shows as available during the View window, there is a chance that someone else might select if before you do when the Select window opens. We therefore recommend that you identify more than one apartment that would be right for you.
that makes it sound like the select day is first come first served.

I'll update you on how the select day goes.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: xk on May 08, 2007, 08:14:20 AM
Does anyone know how hard it is to sublet HAH apartments during the summer?   
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: degrassi on May 08, 2007, 09:33:58 AM
I am lottery #200 for the dorms... I really hope I don't get bumped from each & every room I select, considering every single other applicant who is selecting has a better number than me.

About the dorms -- I took the dorm tour at the April ASW. They are mediocre at best. North is an old Holiday Inn. It looks exactly like a hotel... a very old, not remodeled, hotel. Personally I did not find it to be worth the price but if you REALLY want your own bathroom, I guess that's your best bet. Hastings was interesting - definitely what you'd think of when picturing HLS dorms if you haven't ever visited, i.e. they have the most character. Still no kitchen or bathroom, but you do get a shared living room with one other person which I guess would be worth it if you know who you plan to live with. Gropius was tiny and looked pretty much like a typical college dorm. Bathrooms and kitchens are relatively rare (for instance, I asked how many showers there were in each bathroom - only FOUR and that has to accomodate about 20-25 students). But, they say it is by far the dorm to choose if you are looking for the community aspect.

I assume I won't have much of a choice with lottery #200, but I was leaning towards Gropius anyways. See you all in the fall!!

EDIT: I forgot to note that the bathroom situation in Hastings was also not ideal. I don't know exactly how many students per entryway/bathroom, but I am almost positive there was only ONE shower stall and one toilet in the bathroom. (Please correct me if I'm wrong).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on May 08, 2007, 09:39:44 AM
I am having the worst trouble deciding between Gropius and North- I'm worried that Gropius is supposed to have issue because of construction, and also don't like the idea of living two block away because in the snow that is one more reason to skip class or not make it out to the gym/library. I do want to be social but I also want to be able to close my door and have a decent place to live (oh, and to be able to shower when I need to). Any thoughts, what are other people leaning toward?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on May 08, 2007, 11:08:14 AM
I am having the worst trouble deciding between Gropius and North- I'm worried that Gropius is supposed to have issue because of construction, and also don't like the idea of living two block away because in the snow that is one more reason to skip class or not make it out to the gym/library. I do want to be social but I also want to be able to close my door and have a decent place to live (oh, and to be able to shower when I need to). Any thoughts, what are other people leaning toward?

I am going for Gropius, because:

1)  I do not need much space.  I am not going to throw parties in my room.

2)  I want to be on campus, and I prefer to pay less for Gropius than more for Hastings.

3)  Gropius is closer to Harkness Commons, where I can get something to eat.  This is important because a) I am not picky about my food, and Harkness food seems just fine and b) I am not good at cooking without Bertolli bags.

4)  I do not want my own bathroom, because then I would have to clean it.

I would also use more contractions in my writing, but Firefox is screwing up and will not allow apostrophes.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on May 08, 2007, 11:41:47 AM
Yeah, I decided on Gropius also. North is just too expensive for what you're getting and someone else cleaning the bathroom sure has a nice ring to it. Besides, I bet two blocks feels like a whole lot when there's snow in your face as you try to get to class (I'm a Californian, scared enough of the weather as it is). I thought about Hastings, mostly because its close to the gym, but I think that if I'm trying to stay in shape, its sort of silly to be upset about having to walk a little more to get to the gym. Brito, have you chosen your room yet?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on May 08, 2007, 11:44:51 AM
Yeah, I decided on Gropius also. North is just too expensive for what you're getting and someone else cleaning the bathroom sure has a nice ring to it. Besides, I bet two blocks feels like a whole lot when there's snow in your face as you try to get to class (I'm a Californian, scared enough of the weather as it is). I thought about Hastings, mostly because its close to the gym, but I think that if I'm trying to stay in shape, its sort of silly to be upset about having to walk a little more to get to the gym. Brito, have you chosen your room yet?

Yes.  I logged in at 12:30, and 30 people had already chosen!

I also was much too scared of the weather to live very far off campus at any price.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on May 08, 2007, 11:55:06 AM
I would also use more contractions in my writing, by Firefox is screwing up and will not allow apostrophes.

Have you updated firefox to the most recent version? That seems to have fixed the problem for me.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on May 08, 2007, 11:57:28 AM
I would also use more contractions in my writing, by Firefox is screwing up and will not allow apostrophes.

Have you updated firefox to the most recent version? That seems to have fixed the problem for me.

Haha, probably not.  I'll have to do that... 

And, as you can see, it's not doing it anymore.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: katluva33 on May 08, 2007, 12:32:02 PM
do we have to formally withdraw from the HAH lottery or should we just not choose a unit?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on May 09, 2007, 12:12:01 AM
I picked my dorm room in the first round.  If I haven't gotten an email yet saying that I've been booted from my room, is it safe to assume I got the one I picked?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: H4CS on May 09, 2007, 12:21:41 AM
I picked my dorm room in the first round.  If I haven't gotten an email yet saying that I've been booted from my room, is it safe to assume I got the one I picked?

Yes, unless I decide I want it.  Then no.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on May 09, 2007, 12:31:49 AM
I picked my dorm room in the first round.  If I haven't gotten an email yet saying that I've been booted from my room, is it safe to assume I got the one I picked?

Yes, unless I decide I want it.  Then no.

We can share.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: road on May 09, 2007, 06:29:12 AM
I have my select window today for HAH. You basically view the apartment that you want and then click the "select" button, pretty simple. I checked the apartments about two hours after the select window started and about 2/3 of the 3 bedrooms were gone (the 2 bedroom apts don't seem to have taken as big of a hit) and an hour later only about 1/4  are left. When your select time comes I would suggest being ready to log in and select as soon as you are able.

In the end we decided to skip HAH. We found that we could get a bigger/nicer apartment through Craigslist for the same rent. So, be sure to check that out as well. If you want feedback on locations I'm happy to help where I can.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: Brito on May 09, 2007, 07:35:56 AM
We can share.

I have personal space issues.  As in, I don't respect other people's. Caveat Emptor.

That will be okay.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010
Post by: hobbesthecat on May 09, 2007, 08:40:44 AM
I got bumped once yesterday, reselected, and haven't been bumped since. I hope that means I got the room. Its just a room in Holmes, so perhaps its not particularly exciting to anybody, but hopefully this is the end of the dorm picking process for me. Good luck to people picking in the second wave!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: mbgriffith1 on May 09, 2007, 06:45:14 PM
Are any of you all out there planning on bringing dogs with you or know of anyone that is? I'm having a hell of a time finding a reasonably priced apartment near the campus that takes dogs. If you have any suggestions, don't hesitate to email me at mitchellgriffith at gmail dot com. Thanks in advance...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on May 09, 2007, 08:13:27 PM
Craigslist has looked promising on the dog front, but I'm splitting the rent on a 1br with my bf. If you need more reasonable than 1500, which is quite high if you're not splitting the rent, I think your best bet would be looking slightly farther out; my bf's older sister lived in a 2br with a roommate and her fiance (so, they had 1 bedroom and the roomie had the other) in a place in Somerville that let her keep her dog. She and her fiance paid something like 500 a pop. Like I said, though, that was a 2br for three people, I don't know what the roomie paid, and it was in Somerville.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: mbgriffith1 on May 09, 2007, 08:24:22 PM
Thanks for the tip. I'm really not looking forward to paying out the ass for a place next year, but that's what's it gonna have to be I guess.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on May 09, 2007, 08:28:32 PM
I want to live close, 'cos my snow boots aren't that cute or that comfy.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on May 09, 2007, 08:30:04 PM
I want to live close, 'cos my snow boots aren't that cute or that comfy.

It was 80 degrees today. la la la la la.

And I will be living about a 10 minute walk away (in a location I am psyched about) and am paying 800/month
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jackietob on May 12, 2007, 04:20:20 PM
So where'd everyone end up in the draw?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 12, 2007, 06:19:45 PM
Advice for those of us who missed the draw (barely, it seems)?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: hobbesthecat on May 12, 2007, 09:10:02 PM
Advice: don't worry, since if you just barely missed it you still have a shot at a room. I'd maybe call or e-mail the housing office just to let them know you definitely want a room. Good luck.

I'm in Holmes Hall, second floor. Anyone near me?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on May 12, 2007, 09:13:17 PM
Advice: don't worry, since if you just barely missed it you still have a shot at a room. I'd maybe call or e-mail the housing office just to let them know you definitely want a room. Good luck.

I'm in Holmes Hall, second floor. Anyone near me?

I will be in Ames.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 12, 2007, 09:16:29 PM
Quote
Advice: don't worry, since if you just barely missed it you still have a shot at a room. I'd maybe call or e-mail the housing office just to let them know you definitely want a room.

I haven't applied yet; I was just admitted off the WL on Friday. But thanks, I can't do anything at the moment, but I hope I can get a reasonable room.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on May 13, 2007, 08:56:34 AM
i am on the housing waitlist...starting to feel nervous :( I really think i got the worst number ever: 258!!!!

Rereading the e-mail, it says that they will begin looking at these numbers in early June when housing becomes AVAILABLE? Does that mean that me getting housing depends on other people withdrawing??

Does anyone know if people on the housing waitlist have priority over people who get in off the waitlist?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 13, 2007, 02:21:51 PM
i am on the housing waitlist...starting to feel nervous :( I really think i got the worst number ever: 258!!!!

Rereading the e-mail, it says that they will begin looking at these numbers in early June when housing becomes AVAILABLE? Does that mean that me getting housing depends on other people withdrawing??

Does anyone know if people on the housing waitlist have priority over people who get in off the waitlist?

Yep, you do.:P
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: hobbesthecat on May 13, 2007, 06:27:00 PM
I have a question for someone who might know- are the curriculum changes going to happen this year, or the next? Is the academic calendar online accurate, meaning that we still have finals after break? My brother is getting married over the winter, and I don't know when I'm available!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 13, 2007, 07:04:36 PM
AFAIK the new curriculum is in place for this fall but exams are still after break.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on May 13, 2007, 07:10:10 PM
right, and the new problem solving course is not in place (hence exams after break)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 14, 2007, 03:10:41 PM
Ouch... that sucks. What about the waitlist?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on May 14, 2007, 06:52:18 PM
Does anyone know which rooms are usually left over at the end? I was assuming North and Hastings would fill up first, am I wrong?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 14, 2007, 08:23:49 PM
Someone wrote earlier that often the more expensive rooms (like in North - the $12,000 ones) tend to be left and that there are often some vacancies in Gropius too, but with the construction there may not be this year. I hope I can get something; I want to live 5 minutes from class.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on May 14, 2007, 09:49:17 PM
Someone wrote earlier that often the more expensive rooms (like in North - the $12,000 ones) tend to be left and that there are often some vacancies in Gropius too, but with the construction there may not be this year. I hope I can get something; I want to live 5 minutes from class.
Now I am stressed and can't sleep. I can't afford to pay the extra $6k! Grrr....
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 14, 2007, 10:05:53 PM
We may not even have that option; it's probably within the realm of possibility that there won't be any on-campus housing left. See vandy07's post above.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: vandy07 on May 14, 2007, 10:14:11 PM
Text of the email I recieved so you have some idea of the situation:

Unfortunately your chances are not good. We have about 140 incoming J.D.s on the wait-list currently and while many will come off, I don’t believe that we will reach you at the end of the list. You can certainly check back with me to see your wait-list status, but you should begin exploring alternative housing options such as Harvard Affiliated apartments and off-campus apartments.

 

Harvard Affiliated apartments are offered through Harvard Real Estate Services (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/housing/hres.php). While you will be placed in the last window of their lottery system, but you should still apply because it will allow you to view the list of Currently Available apartments. H.R.E.S. tags apartments that have some type of an issue such as a low ceiling in one room, nearby construction or an early start date. In any event, you may see one that you would be comfortable with and it provides a way for you to circumvent their lottery system and take an apartment immediately.

 

Also, we will enhancing the materials on our website regarding off-campus housing, adding new information regarding good locations to look, tips and things to consider when exploring off-campus housing (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/housing/privateoffcampus.php).

 

I would be glad to assist you as you explore other housing options. Please let us know if you have any questions.


Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 15, 2007, 07:36:08 AM
There was also the comment about when they will go through the waitlist: 'late early June.'

It seems from that e-mail that the waitlist is mainly for dorms and not for HAH? If there's still a chance to get HAH that makes me feel slightly less doomed. I only missed the lottery by a week or two.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on May 17, 2007, 10:59:05 AM
I am in a huge fight with Harvard housing.

If you look at your acceptance materials it says that all incoming students are guaranteed housing...oh wait, sorry, hls was jk! (see page 132). This is really putting a bad taste in my mouth because they are shamelessly admitting that they made a mistake and that there is "nothing" they can do about it. I really can't believe that Harvard Law School would not honor a commitment like that. Plus I think it is very dishonest (bait and switch!) to leave students under the impression that they are guaranteed housing and then after they pay their deposit, tell them not so much! Esp since S offered me an extra 4k in assistance and housing and this difference would have made the money difference bigger.

Oh and to put the cherry on the pie whatever your wait list number is, you are not just waiting for all the numbers ahead of you but LLMs and SJDs also get priority over you! YAY! suddenly a very large school is feeling like, well, a very large school.

Sorry to be such a debby downer (i am still excited about starting law school in the fall) but everyone who is on the wait list should call and give the office some grief about it so that maybe they will do something about it.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 17, 2007, 11:16:17 AM
I had noticed that also, and the conflicting statements of 'all incoming students desiring HLS housing are guaranteed it' and 'While we cannot guarantee housing in HLS dorms for those admitted from the wait list'...

Not especially happy about it. They really should not have written that in the binder since it doesn't seem to be met by reality.

The only thing that makes this somewhat less crappy is that HAH is close to market rate and not an especially good deal. I really wanted a dorm, but if I can't get one I suppose I'll find a non-HAH apt.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: just call me elle on May 17, 2007, 04:52:21 PM
if you did really badly in the HAH view window assignment (or just got in), try going to the "currently available" list and just grabbing something. they have a good selection of studios, etc., last time i checked - really competitive pricing, and you actualy get a kitchen out of the deal rather than having to work with a dorm kitchen. some of these start early/may not have the best location, but it's better than nothing.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: rjr55 on May 18, 2007, 08:52:22 AM
just got in off the wl.  speechless.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Slow Children At Play on May 18, 2007, 09:06:40 AM
just got in off the wl.  speechless.

Congrats! ;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: road on May 18, 2007, 09:10:13 AM
just got in off the wl.  speechless.

Congratulations! Nothing like good news going into the weekend.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: rjr55 on May 18, 2007, 09:14:00 AM
thanks!  so is there a facebook group or anything?  i'm in ridiculous shock right now.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on May 18, 2007, 09:15:25 AM
just got in off the wl.  speechless.

Congrats!!!  We must be friends on Facebook now!  There is a group; it is a called "HLS Class of 2010."
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: rjr55 on May 18, 2007, 09:18:56 AM
hmmm, i can't seem to find it.  do you have to be in the harvard network?  i don't have my email address yet...

yay for more fb friends though
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on May 18, 2007, 09:26:50 AM
hmmm, i can't seem to find it.  do you have to be in the harvard network?  i don't have my email address yet...

yay for more fb friends though

Yes, you have to be in the Harvard network...  But soon enough!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: rjr55 on May 18, 2007, 09:29:30 AM
so here's a quick question:  how do you log into the admitted students' site?  you can pm me if it's supposed to be a big secret or something; i just want to get the ball rolling, since i'll be leaving the country pretty soon...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 18, 2007, 09:34:28 AM
Congratulations, rj!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: road on May 18, 2007, 09:45:15 AM
so here's a quick question:  how do you log into the admitted students' site?  you can pm me if it's supposed to be a big secret or something; i just want to get the ball rolling, since i'll be leaving the country pretty soon...

The login is firstinitiallastname.jd10 as in jdoe.jd10
the password I believe is your lsac account number (you can change that)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 18, 2007, 10:00:19 AM
so here's a quick question:  how do you log into the admitted students' site?  you can pm me if it's supposed to be a big secret or something; i just want to get the ball rolling, since i'll be leaving the country pretty soon...

The login is firstinitiallastname.jd10 as in jdoe.jd10
the password I believe is your lsac account number (you can change that)

I haven't received my admitted student materials yet, and I can't seem to find the Admitted Students web site on the HLS site. Could someone let me know what the site address is?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 18, 2007, 10:09:50 AM
http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/admitted/
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: rjr55 on May 18, 2007, 10:10:29 AM
it wont let me login yet...but you can find the link on this page, on the menu to the right
http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/

maybe you'll be able to get on, since you've been in longer than i have. 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 18, 2007, 10:17:37 AM
Thanks, guys - yup, it worked. Rj, did you put in the "L" before your LSAC account number in the password field?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: rjr55 on May 18, 2007, 10:20:50 AM
yeah, i did.  i'll probably just have to wait around for a bit for them to put my name in the computer or something...

it's nice to see a familiar face, though!  i haven't broken the news to the penn people yet, but i think they already know somehow
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 18, 2007, 10:26:42 AM
yeah, i did.  i'll probably just have to wait around for a bit for them to put my name in the computer or something...

it's nice to see a familiar face, though!  i haven't broken the news to the penn people yet, but i think they already know somehow

Yeah, definitely. I still can't say I'm 100% certain, but, at the same time, I don't think anything will happen to sway me away from Harvard. It's just weird because for the past two months, I was absolutely certain that I would be oging to Penn, and to have it all turned around in just a week is kinda unsettling - but I think I'm getting used to it more and more by the day.

Were you at the 4/5 ASD at Penn by any chance?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on May 18, 2007, 10:28:25 AM
CONGRATS!!! ;D
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: rjr55 on May 18, 2007, 10:31:38 AM
yeah, i know how you feel.  after spending last weekend in philly trying to figure out the apartment situation, i returned to austin to find an email from toby in my inbox asking if i was still interested...needless to say, that turned my world completely upside down. 

i can't believe i finally have some real closure, though.  what a sigh of relief.

and yeah, i was at the penn preview on 4/5.  were you there, too?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 18, 2007, 10:50:17 AM
yeah, i know how you feel.  after spending last weekend in philly trying to figure out the apartment situation, i returned to austin to find an email from toby in my inbox asking if i was still interested...needless to say, that turned my world completely upside down. 

i can't believe i finally have some real closure, though.  what a sigh of relief.

and yeah, i was at the penn preview on 4/5.  were you there, too?

Yeah, exactly. I already made plans to take time off work and fly out to Philly in a few weeks to look for an apartment, I had everything figured out and squared away, and that e-mail was just like a lightning bolt - but I'm not complaining, of course.

Yeah, I was at the 4/5 preview. I'm trying to remember if I actually met you in person. Did you sit in on the constitutional law class?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on May 18, 2007, 12:18:12 PM
Congrats to the newest admits! Hope I will meet you in a few months!

...on an unrelated note, Weather.com says it's 43 degrees in Cambridge right now, and it feels like 35...I think I'm going to need some kind of support group for transplanted southerners! I mean, it's 62 here right now, and I walked outside a little earlier and went "BRR! It's freezing today!!"
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: rjr55 on May 18, 2007, 01:23:09 PM
i've lived in 3 states:  mississippi, louisiana, and texas.  i'm guessing the weather is going to come as a huge shock for me.  having lived in austin for 4 years, i don't consider it truly hot until it hits 95...

...and cold for me is in the upper 50s.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 18, 2007, 01:27:33 PM
It's going to be a painful adjustment. I'm too used to the super-mellow weather in the Bay Area.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 18, 2007, 03:17:49 PM
*evil laughter*

You guys are going to have a fun time.  Two words: long underwear.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 18, 2007, 04:05:07 PM
*evil laughter*

You guys are going to have a fun time.  Two words: long underwear.

Hah. Well, that's the funny thing - I spent my formative years in Russia, so I should be used to the cold...but then again, it's been years since I've seen snow (excluding weekend trips to Tahoe), and I think I'm just spoiled now by the Bay Area climate.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on May 18, 2007, 04:05:58 PM
*evil laughter*

You guys are going to have a fun time.  Two words: long underwear.

Hah. Well, that's the funny thing - I spent my formative years in Russia, so I should be used to the cold...but then again, it's been years since I've seen snow (excluding weekend trips to Tahoe), and I think I'm just spoiled now by the Bay Area climate.

I've never seen a good coat of snow on the ground.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on May 18, 2007, 04:38:04 PM
Yeah, it sucked today.  It happens, we just inherit the crap weather from New York.  Summers here are incredible and you'll find that Spring and Fall nice so long as you don't get some freak weather patterns.  As for the rest, uh, la la la la.

I grew up here.  I spent Winter break here.  I spent Spring break here.  I'm working here this summer.  Screw you guys, I'm staying home.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 18, 2007, 04:57:24 PM
*evil laughter*

You guys are going to have a fun time.  Two words: long underwear.

Hah. Well, that's the funny thing - I spent my formative years in Russia, so I should be used to the cold...but then again, it's been years since I've seen snow (excluding weekend trips to Tahoe), and I think I'm just spoiled now by the Bay Area climate.

I've never seen a good coat of snow on the ground.

Damn, that's actually disappointing. I was looking forward to snow :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on May 18, 2007, 06:13:01 PM
*evil laughter*

You guys are going to have a fun time.  Two words: long underwear.

Hah. Well, that's the funny thing - I spent my formative years in Russia, so I should be used to the cold...but then again, it's been years since I've seen snow (excluding weekend trips to Tahoe), and I think I'm just spoiled now by the Bay Area climate.

I've never seen a good coat of snow on the ground.

Damn, that's actually disappointing. I was looking forward to snow :)

What?  I'm sure we'll see it in Cambridge.  I live in Louisiana.  ;D
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 18, 2007, 07:04:39 PM
*evil laughter*

You guys are going to have a fun time.  Two words: long underwear.

Hah. Well, that's the funny thing - I spent my formative years in Russia, so I should be used to the cold...but then again, it's been years since I've seen snow (excluding weekend trips to Tahoe), and I think I'm just spoiled now by the Bay Area climate.

I've never seen a good coat of snow on the ground.

Damn, that's actually disappointing. I was looking forward to snow :)

What?  I'm sure we'll see it in Cambridge.  I live in Louisiana.  ;D

Well you'll like it the first time you see it!  And maybe the second.  I'm from northern Vermont, and I hate the stuff.:P  I really should be going to UVa...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on May 18, 2007, 07:06:29 PM
I'm from northern Vermont

Is there any other kind?  Er, I mean, Burlington?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 18, 2007, 07:08:48 PM
I'm from northern Vermont

Is there any other kind?  Er, I mean, Burlington?

Where I live is even colder and snowier than Burlington. :-\
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 18, 2007, 08:45:39 PM
*evil laughter*

You guys are going to have a fun time.  Two words: long underwear.

Hah. Well, that's the funny thing - I spent my formative years in Russia, so I should be used to the cold...but then again, it's been years since I've seen snow (excluding weekend trips to Tahoe), and I think I'm just spoiled now by the Bay Area climate.

I've never seen a good coat of snow on the ground.

Damn, that's actually disappointing. I was looking forward to snow :)

What?  I'm sure we'll see it in Cambridge.  I live in Louisiana.  ;D


Oh! All right, then :) I thought, based on some other posts, that you currently lived in Boston. I'm clearly wrong. Okay, snow it is, then!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: rjr55 on May 19, 2007, 10:18:15 AM
*evil laughter*

You guys are going to have a fun time.  Two words: long underwear.

Hah. Well, that's the funny thing - I spent my formative years in Russia, so I should be used to the cold...but then again, it's been years since I've seen snow (excluding weekend trips to Tahoe), and I think I'm just spoiled now by the Bay Area climate.

I've never seen a good coat of snow on the ground.

Damn, that's actually disappointing. I was looking forward to snow :)

What?  I'm sure we'll see it in Cambridge.  I live in Louisiana.  ;D


Oh! All right, then :) I thought, based on some other posts, that you currently lived in Boston. I'm clearly wrong. Okay, snow it is, then!

snow. ugh.  i'm going to have to buy a whole new wardrobe...possibly a coat, some closed-toe shoes, shirts with sleeves...

def not looking forward to the weather
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Ersatz on May 19, 2007, 11:42:10 AM
I was having the same thoughts as I was looking through my closet yesterday. I literally have one warm coat, and I don't think I ever had to wear it once this year so far. I gotta go on a winter shopping spree of some kind.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on May 19, 2007, 01:42:20 PM
I was having the same thoughts as I was looking through my closet yesterday. I literally have one warm coat, and I don't think I ever had to wear it once this year so far. I gotta go on a winter shopping spree of some kind.

I have a ton of coats, but I think for Massachusetts weather, they are only going to work as fall and spring coats.  I'm planning to get something new for winter.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: LawSchoolIsEvil on May 19, 2007, 05:21:22 PM
Haven't been on LSD in a while, so just tagging this thread for now
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on May 19, 2007, 08:20:13 PM
Howdy, LS. How're things?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 20, 2007, 07:01:12 AM
Dash, any less negative on Harvard lately?;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 20, 2007, 01:30:47 PM
What are my fellow late admits and WL admits doing for housing? 



Wasting lots of time on craigslist.;)  What are you thinking?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: just call me elle on May 20, 2007, 02:24:17 PM
have you guys looked at the HAH currently available list? there are apartments with leases that start in now through July. while that means you pay extra rent, they're all competitively priced and at least save you from the vagaries of craigslist or brokers (especially if you don't live nearby).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Timmy's Taking Over on May 20, 2007, 02:35:27 PM
I can't look at currently available until they update my file with my acceptance letter.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 20, 2007, 03:19:36 PM
I can't look at currently available until they update my file with my acceptance letter.

Yeah, I have the same problem.  Maybe I'll give them a call tomorrow.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 20, 2007, 04:07:26 PM
FWIW, the turnaround to update my file was one day. If you sent it on Friday, perhaps try waiting another day.

You aren't missing much as far as 'currently available' - the closest is probably 85-95 Prescott and it starts in July. I personally don't have another few grand laying around to spend on two months of a lease I won't use, but YMMV.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: LawSchoolIsEvil on May 21, 2007, 08:34:40 AM
Howdy, LS. How're things?

Not bad. Finally officially graduated and now trying to work out this whole housing business like everyone else. How'd your "feel better about Harvard" trip a while back end up going?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on May 21, 2007, 10:29:26 AM
I'm from northern Vermont

Is there any other kind?  Er, I mean, Burlington?

Hey!  I'm from southern VT.  Ok, it's admittedly the crappy end, but still...

If any of you haven't yet, those looking for housing might try http://hres.roommateclick.com/ (if that hasn't come up yet on this thread).  I think you can sign up if you've got your email accounts, though I don't recall exactly.

And because I'm posting anyway, and just finished singing its praises to a friend, I figure I'll mention that anybody starting HLS who's interested in Public Interest should be an Office of Public Interest Advising Section Represenatative - they'll feed you awesome food on a monthly basis and keep you in the loop on all the PI stuff.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on May 21, 2007, 12:10:38 PM
Howdy, LS. How're things?

Not bad. Finally officially graduated and now trying to work out this whole housing business like everyone else. How'd your "feel better about Harvard" trip a while back end up going?

Mmmm...never ended up going. I'll probably be up next week or the week after to look at apts, so hopefully that doubles as my feel better trip. On this week's agenda: graduating.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on May 22, 2007, 02:51:43 PM
Count me in if I'm not already in this thread somewhere.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on May 22, 2007, 05:11:17 PM
And because I'm posting anyway, and just finished singing its praises to a friend, I figure I'll mention that anybody starting HLS who's interested in Public Interest should be an Office of Public Interest Advising Section Represenatative - they'll feed you awesome food on a monthly basis and keep you in the loop on all the PI stuff.

Good to know!  Thanks for passing this on!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on May 23, 2007, 05:47:42 AM
Looks like I'm in too:) Going to visit HLS this weekend before making a final choice. Anything special I should do, see or person I should talk to while I'm there?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on May 26, 2007, 07:38:14 AM
Looks like I'm in too:) Going to visit HLS this weekend before making a final choice. Anything special I should do, see or person I should talk to while I'm there?


I hope your visit went (or is going well), Bike Pilot.  Any closer to making a decision yet?  UVA is a tough school to turn down...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: HLS1L2B on May 28, 2007, 09:59:12 PM
Hey everyone I have a random question about Gropius.  Does anybody know how many guys typically live on floors with girls bathrooms and vice versa?  Just wondering if the floors are truly "co-ed" or if in practice it's mostly guys where the guys bathrooms are and girls where the girls bathrooms are.  Thanks.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on May 29, 2007, 07:01:19 AM
did you get into the dorms off the waitlist?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 29, 2007, 07:54:20 AM
Hey everyone I have a random question about Gropius.  Does anybody know how many guys typically live on floors with girls bathrooms and vice versa?  Just wondering if the floors are truly "co-ed" or if in practice it's mostly guys where the guys bathrooms are and girls where the girls bathrooms are.  Thanks.

I would guess that it's the former, because people actually choose their own rooms in the lottery, but maybe people self-select a bit?

Speaking of which, how have people been faring in the off-campus search?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: road on May 29, 2007, 08:04:09 AM
Hey everyone I have a random question about Gropius.  Does anybody know how many guys typically live on floors with girls bathrooms and vice versa?  Just wondering if the floors are truly "co-ed" or if in practice it's mostly guys where the guys bathrooms are and girls where the girls bathrooms are.  Thanks.

I would guess that it's the former, because people actually choose their own rooms in the lottery, but maybe people self-select a bit?

Speaking of which, how have people been faring in the off-campus search?

We just signed a lease last week! We'll be living the the Huron Village area of Cambridge. I'll have to take the bus in to Harvard, but it's a short ride and I like the area. Rent is about the same as affiliated housing but we get about 300 more square feet (in a 3 bedroom).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 29, 2007, 09:41:49 AM
Signed a lease for HAH
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jackietob on May 29, 2007, 11:47:47 AM
Anyone get off the dorm waitlist?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on May 29, 2007, 12:20:13 PM
Anyone get off the dorm waitlist?

What is your lottery number?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 29, 2007, 12:47:18 PM
Signed a lease for HAH

You found something on the currently available list?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jackietob on May 29, 2007, 12:47:42 PM
240ish, I forget the exact number.  Anyone? Bueller?   :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on May 29, 2007, 12:52:10 PM
I think it's not happening until mid june
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 29, 2007, 02:03:20 PM
Quote
You found something on the currently available list?

Yeah. I don't even remember if I put myself on the dorm waitlist. I guess after the first waitlist I was sort of bored with them.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on May 29, 2007, 05:13:58 PM
Quote
You found something on the currently available list?

Yeah. I don't even remember if I put myself on the dorm waitlist. I guess after the first waitlist I was sort of bored with them.

Haha. Touche.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on May 30, 2007, 04:47:04 PM
Housing is hugely irritating.  The HAH website is just terrible.

Nobody has a HAH two bedroom and wants a great roommate?

hint hint.

Sorry, no 2BR here... but just wanted to concur on the hugely annoying HAH process.  The 13-week selection process is annoying as hell.  I would be much happier if I could, at least, view which apartments are available so that I know whether it's worth waiting for my window or not...if the units I want are already gone 3 windows before mine, I know it's time to make other plans, but we don't even have that luxury here  >:(
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on May 31, 2007, 10:23:43 AM
Pink, my window's coming up this week. If there any specific buildings you're interested in, I'll have a look for you, if you want.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on May 31, 2007, 01:55:05 PM
Pink, my window's coming up this week. If there any specific buildings you're interested in, I'll have a look for you, if you want.

Thanks, Dash!  check your PMs.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: mark_darcy on May 31, 2007, 02:31:04 PM
I found an apartment via craigslist, and signed the lease the other day.  It's fairly reasonable in price (as far as I can tell) but the bonus is that it's about a 5 minute walk to the law school and one roommate will be a fellow 1L.

Sucks though that the lease doesn't start until Sept 1.

I'm thinking of heading to Boston the first or second week of August to get used to the city.  I'm hoping maybe a few others of you will be there too and we can get together so I'm not too lonely for a month! (I'm a pretty social person)

On another note, does anyone know about Harvard's academic calendar?  Essentially, I want to book plane tickets for holidays now (to avoid a high cost later) and I'm a little confused on the dates I should be looking at....
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on May 31, 2007, 02:42:16 PM
I'll be in town from the middle of August...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: road on May 31, 2007, 02:57:07 PM
I found an apartment via craigslist, and signed the lease the other day.  It's fairly reasonable in price (as far as I can tell) but the bonus is that it's about a 5 minute walk to the law school and one roommate will be a fellow 1L.

Sucks though that the lease doesn't start until Sept 1.

I'm thinking of heading to Boston the first or second week of August to get used to the city.  I'm hoping maybe a few others of you will be there too and we can get together so I'm not too lonely for a month! (I'm a pretty social person)

On another note, does anyone know about Harvard's academic calendar?  Essentially, I want to book plane tickets for holidays now (to avoid a high cost later) and I'm a little confused on the dates I should be looking at....

I'll also be out around mid-august. It'll be nice to get settled before school starts.

The academic calendar is available here:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/academics/registrar/calendar.php
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: mark_darcy on May 31, 2007, 03:30:29 PM
thanks for the link!

so, am I right to assume then, that we are free any time after the 14th?  and we don't have to be back until the 5th?

wow.  that's a long time.  maybe it's just because I'm from Canada, but I've never had that long before!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Slow Children At Play on May 31, 2007, 11:29:21 PM
thanks for the link!

so, am I right to assume then, that we are free any time after the 14th?  and we don't have to be back until the 5th?

wow.  that's a long time.  maybe it's just because I'm from Canada, but I've never had that long before!

Crazy Cannuck... I hate you already.... 8)



Just kidding, I'll try to keep my prejudices closer to my chest.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on June 01, 2007, 06:19:54 AM
I will also be in Cambridge starting mid-August, and I'm also looking for people to hang out/go out with as I get settled in. 2 and a half months seems so close and so far away at the same time...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Slow Children At Play on June 01, 2007, 07:39:31 AM
thanks for the link!

so, am I right to assume then, that we are free any time after the 14th?  and we don't have to be back until the 5th?

wow.  that's a long time.  maybe it's just because I'm from Canada, but I've never had that long before!

Crazy Cannuck... I hate you already.... 8)



Just kidding, I'll try to keep my prejudices closer to my chest.

Sorry, don't remember posting this... the Cavs won and I got a little carried away.  For the record, I love Canadians.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 01, 2007, 02:27:27 PM
Feck. Is anyone else having issues with finding an August move-in date for an apt? Also, anyone know of the top of their heads when the leases start for HAH?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: GobBluth on June 01, 2007, 02:42:45 PM
Not all leases from HAH start at the same time.  If you get one off of Currently Available they might start earlier, but I think one chosen from a View/Select window could start in August.  And in case anyone with a later View/Select window would like to know, I called the office and they said that by last year ALL the apartments had been taken by the 9th window...even from Currently Available. HTH
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on June 01, 2007, 03:37:11 PM
...I called the office and they said that by last year ALL the apartments had been taken by the 9th window...even from Currently Available. HTH

 :o  Wow.  I'm not sure which window I have, but it's pretty late. 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 01, 2007, 03:52:55 PM
Jeeb, that's bad.

I'd prefer not to go off the C.A. list. I guess we'll see this week, though.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on June 01, 2007, 06:27:41 PM
Per the HAH site leases generally start around June 30th. Some of the CA listings start Sept. 1... obviously not ideal unless you have a place to crash for two days during orientation and can deal with moving in during the first week.

I ended up eating the cost of a July start date.

There are a few starting in mid-August on CA.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on June 06, 2007, 06:27:09 AM
Bump

How's the housing search shaping up?  I've begun to realize that a July 1 start date might more likely than I thought.  But what I don't get is why there aren't more August 1 leases.  I mean, wouldn't that be an obvious time for most grad students (and hence a big part of the market) to be moving in?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 06, 2007, 06:30:16 AM
Two brokers tried to explain it to me, and it still doesn't make sense. The best explanation I've heard is that pretty much everyone (surrounding colleges and the other grad schools) besides the Law School starts after 9/1, and I guess the first week of Div school is less daunting than the first week of LS, and so getting settled isn't that much of an issue.

Thanks, HLS.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on June 06, 2007, 06:32:42 AM
Two brokers tried to explain it to me, and it still doesn't make sense. The best explanation I've heard is that pretty much everyone (surrounding colleges and the other grad schools) besides the Law School starts after 9/1, and I guess the first week of Div school is less daunting than the first week of LS, and so getting settled isn't that much of an issue.

Thanks, HLS.

Thanks indeed. Columbia guaranteed housing.  And with an early August start.  (As you can see, I haven't completely switched loyalty...)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on June 06, 2007, 07:52:57 AM
The optimal outcome would be to find an HAH share that was sublet for the summer, but whose occupant is leaving a few days before Sept. 1. I almost found such a place but it didn't quite work out so my lease starts in July. [shrug]

I wouldn't wait too long, though, as I recall reading somewhere that *all* the HAH stuff was filled by the 8th or 9th window last year.

Also, Harvard 'guaranteed' housing in dorms, but then retracted that guarantee. Not the same, obviously, but still :P
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on June 06, 2007, 07:55:53 AM
Also, Harvard 'guaranteed' housing in dorms, but then retracted that guarantee. Not the same, obviously, but still :P

How in heaven's name do you "retract" a guarantee??  I'd be pissed off about that, but I didn't really care for the dorms to begin with.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 06, 2007, 08:30:05 AM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on June 06, 2007, 08:34:08 AM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.


Yay! Glad you found something! 

::back to twiddling my thumb while I wait impatiently for my window::
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on June 06, 2007, 09:01:26 AM
Also, Harvard 'guaranteed' housing in dorms, but then retracted that guarantee. Not the same, obviously, but still :P

How in heaven's name do you "retract" a guarantee??  I'd be pissed off about that, but I didn't really care for the dorms to begin with.

They can't use one of their dorms so they changed their policy...of course without giving any incoming JDs notice of the change before they made their deposits...yes I am still bitter about it...next week I find out if I get housing or not :P
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on June 06, 2007, 09:30:15 PM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.


I'm pretty sure that the floor is noted on the bottom right hand corner of the pdf which includes the floorplan/location in building. HTH
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on June 07, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
I sent in my deposit and am officially HLS 2010! Now to sort though the rest of the paper work and find housing myself....

I'm married and will be looking for off-campus housing of course.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 07, 2007, 02:17:31 PM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.


I'm pretty sure that the floor is noted on the bottom right hand corner of the pdf which includes the floorplan/location in building. HTH

Whoopsie. Sleuthy skills both unnecessary and crap.

Also today was spent flipping *&^% because the floor plan says there's no window in the bedroom and I didn't notice this until 11 PM last night. Called the office this morning, and my leasing coordinator tells me that "at least it'll be quiet." In the meantime, visions of dying horribly in a fire are running through my head. Interestingly, the building manager says that every unit has a bedroom window, and that this unit specifically also has a bedroom window, after my bf made him check. Whom do I believe?

SIGH. I seriously thought housing drama was over for me.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on June 07, 2007, 02:19:30 PM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.


I'm pretty sure that the floor is noted on the bottom right hand corner of the pdf which includes the floorplan/location in building. HTH

Isn't it illegal not to have windows in every room?  At least it was where I last lived, even in bathrooms.  Then again, that was Canada, land of milk and honey, socialist healthcare, and, apparently, windows.

Whoopsie. Sleuthy skills both unnecessary and crap.

Also today was spent flipping *&^% because the floor plan says there's no window in the bedroom and I didn't notice this until 11 PM last night. Called the office this morning, and my leasing coordinator tells me that "at least it'll be quiet." In the meantime, visions of dying horribly in a fire are running through my head. Interestingly, the building manager says that every unit has a bedroom window, and that this unit specifically also has a bedroom window, after my bf made him check. Whom do I believe?

SIGH. I seriously thought housing drama was over for me.

Isn't it illegal not to have a window in every room?  At least it was where I last lived.  Granted that was Canada.  Land of milk and honey, socialist healthcare, and, apparently, windows.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: wiiiiiii on June 07, 2007, 02:20:35 PM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.


I'm pretty sure that the floor is noted on the bottom right hand corner of the pdf which includes the floorplan/location in building. HTH

Isn't it illegal not to have windows in every room?  At least it was where I last lived, even in bathrooms.  Then again, that was Canada, land of milk and honey, socialist healthcare, and, apparently, windows.

Whoopsie. Sleuthy skills both unnecessary and crap.

Also today was spent flipping sh*t because the floor plan says there's no window in the bedroom and I didn't notice this until 11 PM last night. Called the office this morning, and my leasing coordinator tells me that "at least it'll be quiet." In the meantime, visions of dying horribly in a fire are running through my head. Interestingly, the building manager says that every unit has a bedroom window, and that this unit specifically also has a bedroom window, after my bf made him check. Whom do I believe?

SIGH. I seriously thought housing drama was over for me.

no
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 09, 2007, 06:54:05 AM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.


I'm pretty sure that the floor is noted on the bottom right hand corner of the pdf which includes the floorplan/location in building. HTH

Isn't it illegal not to have windows in every room?  At least it was where I last lived, even in bathrooms.  Then again, that was Canada, land of milk and honey, socialist healthcare, and, apparently, windows.

Whoopsie. Sleuthy skills both unnecessary and crap.

Also today was spent flipping *&^% because the floor plan says there's no window in the bedroom and I didn't notice this until 11 PM last night. Called the office this morning, and my leasing coordinator tells me that "at least it'll be quiet." In the meantime, visions of dying horribly in a fire are running through my head. Interestingly, the building manager says that every unit has a bedroom window, and that this unit specifically also has a bedroom window, after my bf made him check. Whom do I believe?

SIGH. I seriously thought housing drama was over for me.

Isn't it illegal not to have a window in every room?  At least it was where I last lived.  Granted that was Canada.  Land of milk and honey, socialist healthcare, and, apparently, windows.

Illegal in my neck of the woods, too. Hence my surprise and indignation. Apparently building codes are regional, though.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Shark on June 09, 2007, 06:58:59 AM
It's probablly historically protected, which I'm beginning to think is code for we don't want to spend the $$. ;)

Has anyone received any info on lenders, yet?  I have no idea how to decide on that especially given the recent scandals w/loan companies.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: just call me elle on June 09, 2007, 04:32:28 PM
they loosely say sometime around the 15th for loan info. how exactly do you figure out what terms different lenders will give you based on credit, etc.? there must be some sort of table for this, right? (in terms of interest rate, fees, etc.)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on June 09, 2007, 10:42:28 PM
they loosely say sometime around the 15th for loan info. how exactly do you figure out what terms different lenders will give you based on credit, etc.? there must be some sort of table for this, right? (in terms of interest rate, fees, etc.)

From last year . . . (not yet updated)

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/finaid/loans/suppcomp.php (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/finaid/loans/suppcomp.php)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: just call me elle on June 10, 2007, 01:46:52 AM
yeah, saw that, was just hoping for more specific info i guess.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on June 13, 2007, 09:34:37 AM
Guess who is getting on campus housing?!

I emailed the housing director today and he said that 38 spots are available...just thought this would be helpful if other people stayed on the waitlist...even if your number is higher than 38 you have a chance because not everyone is going to accept their housing. YAY!

Now to apply for loans...ugh

Is there anything else that people are doing to prep for the school year? I can't really think of anything...but I am getting really excited/nervous/anxious
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 13, 2007, 12:55:21 PM
Yay! Congrats for being done with housing mishegoss!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on June 13, 2007, 04:49:46 PM
Headed to Cambridge tomorrow to brave the housing search!  So wish me luck, I feel like I'm gonna need it.;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on June 13, 2007, 06:01:16 PM
Headed to Cambridge tomorrow to brave the housing search!  So wish me luck, I feel like I'm gonna need it.;)

Good luck, Saja!  I hope you find the perfect place!  :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: degrassi on June 13, 2007, 09:05:25 PM
Wow, glad to see others have noticed the "guarantee" for dormitory housing to incoming students! I also complained to them about that being included in the admissions binder and received the same response about construction. I guess I am not sure what I was hoping for - it's not like they can build a new dorm building by September.

I am still holding out hope despite being told multiple times by the housing people there is little to no chance that anyone over #50 on the waitlist would receive an offer. Sigh.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Slow Children At Play on June 14, 2007, 06:49:27 AM
Hmmm... when were we supposed to receive this waitlist #?  I'm terribly confused.  I haven't gotten an email from Harvard since I was notified of immunization requirements or whatever almost a month ago.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: LawSchoolIsEvil on June 14, 2007, 11:47:52 AM
Hmmm... when were we supposed to receive this waitlist #?  I'm terribly confused.  I haven't gotten an email from Harvard since I was notified of immunization requirements or whatever almost a month ago.

That's for on-campus people
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Slow Children At Play on June 14, 2007, 08:59:26 PM
Whatever happened with that HAH stuff?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: LawSchoolIsEvil on June 14, 2007, 09:45:21 PM
Whatever happened with that HAH stuff?

We have window 8, which I think has a view window of June 25 - June 27 and a select window of June 28. It's one of the options on the table.

P.S. I feel like I should get you a "Sorry about your loss" card, but pretty much everyone saw it coming. Go Celtics.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Slow Children At Play on June 15, 2007, 08:04:11 AM
Whatever happened with that HAH stuff?

We have window 8, which I think has a view window of June 25 - June 27 and a select window of June 28. It's one of the options on the table.

P.S. I feel like I should get you a "Sorry about your loss" card, but pretty much everyone saw it coming. Go Celtics.

Blow me, I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

My room next year will be decked out in Cavaliers paraphernalia and there's nothing you can do about it. 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on June 15, 2007, 03:37:19 PM
Basketball, psh.  But if anyone is a Yankees fan, or at least not a Red Sox fan, I will be your friend...

In other, and, much more exciting news, I am a proud Cambridge lessee!  Two blocks away, baby.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on June 16, 2007, 09:26:50 AM
Basketball, psh.  But if anyone is a Yankees fan, or at least not a Red Sox fan, I will be your friend...

In other, and, much more exciting news, I am a proud Cambridge lessee!  Two blocks away, baby.
Congrats Saja! Sounds like a great find!

Now that you have signed a lease, are you ready to change your sig?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on June 16, 2007, 04:56:38 PM
Basketball, psh.  But if anyone is a Yankees fan, or at least not a Red Sox fan, I will be your friend...

In other, and, much more exciting news, I am a proud Cambridge lessee!  Two blocks away, baby.
Congrats Saja! Sounds like a great find!

Now that you have signed a lease, are you ready to change your sig?


Good point!  Sig and avatar caption updated.  Finally.

Anyway, I'm pretty excited to be moving to Cambridge, I must admit that it's a pretty cool place.:)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Slow Children At Play on June 17, 2007, 12:44:50 AM
Basketball, psh.  But if anyone is a Yankees fan, or at least not a Red Sox fan, I will be your friend...

In other, and, much more exciting news, I am a proud Cambridge lessee!  Two blocks away, baby.
Congrats Saja! Sounds like a great find!

Now that you have signed a lease, are you ready to change your sig?


Good point!  Sig and avatar caption updated.  Finally.

Anyway, I'm pretty excited to be moving to Cambridge, I must admit that it's a pretty cool place.:)

As a future frequenter of your abode (assuming, of course, that I am invited), I must say that I am a mad obsessee of the Cleveland Indians.  If all works out as it looks like it might, we could be having some battles in the ALCS between the Sox/Yankees and the Tribe.  If that happens to be the case, all the better.  If the Indians choke, I will disavow all love for them.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on June 17, 2007, 06:44:57 AM
Basketball, psh.  But if anyone is a Yankees fan, or at least not a Red Sox fan, I will be your friend...

In other, and, much more exciting news, I am a proud Cambridge lessee!  Two blocks away, baby.
Congrats Saja! Sounds like a great find!

Now that you have signed a lease, are you ready to change your sig?


Good point!  Sig and avatar caption updated.  Finally.

Anyway, I'm pretty excited to be moving to Cambridge, I must admit that it's a pretty cool place.:)

As a future frequenter of your abode (assuming, of course, that I am invited), I must say that I am a mad obsessee of the Cleveland Indians.  If all works out as it looks like it might, we could be having some battles in the ALCS between the Sox/Yankees and the Tribe.  If that happens to be the case, all the better.  If the Indians choke, I will disavow all love for them.

I'm no Indians fan, but I may convert if it's a Boston-Cleveland ALCS.  And of course if the Yankees can pull of the wild card, even better.

And you can assume you're invited.  Dinner parties are already in the works...however, the tradeoff may be lugging furniture up two flights of narrow stairs.;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: shooshoo on June 17, 2007, 08:26:13 PM
Two questions:
1. Anyone know what our first semester courses will be?
2. I was looking at the budget and they alloted about a grand for books...seemed like an underestimate to me...anyone know how much books will cost for the yr including extra stuff like study aids?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on June 17, 2007, 09:28:50 PM
Two questions:
1. Anyone know what our first semester courses will be?
2. I was looking at the budget and they alloted about a grand for books...seemed like an underestimate to me...anyone know how much books will cost for the yr including extra stuff like study aids?

1. It depends on your section.  Not all 1Ls take the same courses at the same time.  Everyone will take CivPro and LRW.  Then you'll take two of (Property|Contracts|Crim|Torts) with the other two in the Spring.
2. 1000 seems like an overestimate to me.  You won't pay that much.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: shooshoo on June 17, 2007, 09:47:37 PM
Also, Im a mac person...will I have any problems buying a mac as far as exam programs or anything else? or do i need to go with a pc?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on June 17, 2007, 09:51:57 PM
AFAIK (and backed by the HLS ITS page) Macs are supported. I don't think HLS uses exam software. I've already got my MacBook, so  :-\
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on June 17, 2007, 10:03:16 PM
Also, Im a mac person...will I have any problems buying a mac as far as exam programs or anything else? or do i need to go with a pc?

HLS doesn't use exam software.  I think my section was about 50/50 mac/pc.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on June 18, 2007, 07:34:38 AM
Two questions:
1. Anyone know what our first semester courses will be?
2. I was looking at the budget and they alloted about a grand for books...seemed like an underestimate to me...anyone know how much books will cost for the yr including extra stuff like study aids?

1. It depends on your section.  Not all 1Ls take the same courses at the same time.  Everyone will take CivPro and LRW.  Then you'll take two of (Property|Contracts|Crim|Torts) with the other two in the Spring.
2. 1000 seems like an overestimate to me.  You won't pay that much.
Also we have the two new classes in international law and legislation to throw into the mix.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 18, 2007, 07:39:47 AM
Unrelated to classes, but I most definitely recommend the All Star Sandwich Bar in Inman Square to all and sundry. It's a little bit of a walk, but a nice walk, and I've decided I quite like Inman Sq.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on June 18, 2007, 08:46:38 AM
Unrelated to classes, but I most definitely recommend the All Star Sandwich Bar in Inman Square to all and sundry. It's a little bit of a walk, but a nice walk, and I've decided I quite like Inman Sq.

Told you.  I live very close to there and it's a great place.  The lines can get a little crazy at times, but it's worth it.  Inman is full of this stuff.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 18, 2007, 09:24:45 AM
Unrelated to classes, but I most definitely recommend the All Star Sandwich Bar in Inman Square to all and sundry. It's a little bit of a walk, but a nice walk, and I've decided I quite like Inman Sq.

Told you.  I live very close to there and it's a great place.  The lines can get a little crazy at times, but it's worth it.  Inman is full of this stuff.

I bow. Inman is totally cute and un-chain-stored enough to make me happy. (grumble grumble au bon pain grumble.) If it weren't such a schlep, I'd definitely look for an apartment there. Still might for next year if I don't like this one.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on June 18, 2007, 09:31:58 AM

I bow. Inman is totally cute and un-chain-stored enough to make me happy. (grumble grumble au bon pain grumble.) If it weren't such a schlep, I'd definitely look for an apartment there. Still might for next year if I don't like this one.

I assume by the Au Bon Pain reference you're grumbling about Harvard Square.  Harvard Square sucks.  It's all about Inman, Davis, Union, Central, and the rest.  I've been saying this forever.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on June 18, 2007, 01:09:34 PM
PSA: If you're going to buy a computer and want to take advantage of HLS' so-generous contribution reduction (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt)), DON'T BUY YOUR COMPUTER UNTIL AFTER JULY 1! They don't tell you this online or anything, but only computers bought after the end of June are eligible.

(Yes, I just bought mine last week when the financial aid office wasn't replying to my emails. They got back to me today with the above information -- *grumble, grumble*)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on June 18, 2007, 01:41:43 PM
Central Square had at least three ABPs too.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Team Pam on June 18, 2007, 01:57:52 PM

I bow. Inman is totally cute and un-chain-stored enough to make me happy. (grumble grumble au bon pain grumble.) If it weren't such a schlep, I'd definitely look for an apartment there. Still might for next year if I don't like this one.

I assume by the Au Bon Pain reference you're grumbling about Harvard Square.  Harvard Square sucks.  It's all about Inman, Davis, Union, Central, and the rest.  I've been saying this forever.

Inman in particular is nice because it doesn't have a T stop, so it doesn't attract the same kind of crazy development as Harvard (and Central and Davis to a degree as well).  I highly recommend the 1369 coffeehouse.

What's hilarious about Harvard Square is that allegedly there's a ban on fast food chains (which is why the Dunkin Donuts is called the Eliot St. Cafe), and yet it turns into more of a mall every year.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on June 18, 2007, 05:50:57 PM
PSA: If you're going to buy a computer and want to take advantage of HLS' so-generous contribution reduction (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt)),
DON'T BUY YOUR COMPUTER UNTIL AFTER JULY 1! They don't tell you this online or anything, but only computers bought after the end of June are eligible.

(Yes, I just bought mine last week when the financial aid office wasn't replying to my emails. They got back to me today with the above information -- *grumble, grumble*)

But on this page
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php)
it says:

Quote
Any computer purchased prior to June 15th of the summer before you enter HLS or after April 2nd of the year you graduate cannot be considered an "education-related" expense. Therefore, we cannot help you finance its purchase.

 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on June 18, 2007, 07:49:50 PM
PSA: If you're going to buy a computer and want to take advantage of HLS' so-generous contribution reduction (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt)),
DON'T BUY YOUR COMPUTER UNTIL AFTER JULY 1! They don't tell you this online or anything, but only computers bought after the end of June are eligible.

(Yes, I just bought mine last week when the financial aid office wasn't replying to my emails. They got back to me today with the above information -- *grumble, grumble*)

But on this page
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php)
it says:

Quote
Any computer purchased prior to June 15th of the summer before you enter HLS or after April 2nd of the year you graduate cannot be considered an "education-related" expense. Therefore, we cannot help you finance its purchase.

 ??? ??? ???

Yeah, I caught that too. I think the difference is that the page you linked is for computer loans, and the program I inquired about is for reducing the student contribution. There's a link from the page I linked to that would seem like it would have the details on this program (and the consumer debt payoff program), but it leads to a 404 error.

The woman who emailed me today did indicate that the list of covered accessories (monitor, etc.) on the page you linked applies to the reduction program, too.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: berntie on June 18, 2007, 09:17:08 PM
Basketball, psh.  But if anyone is a Yankees fan, or at least not a Red Sox fan, I will be your friend...

In other, and, much more exciting news, I am a proud Cambridge lessee!  Two blocks away, baby.
Congrats Saja! Sounds like a great find!

Now that you have signed a lease, are you ready to change your sig?


Good point!  Sig and avatar caption updated.  Finally.

Anyway, I'm pretty excited to be moving to Cambridge, I must admit that it's a pretty cool place.:)

As a future frequenter of your abode (assuming, of course, that I am invited), I must say that I am a mad obsessee of the Cleveland Indians.  If all works out as it looks like it might, we could be having some battles in the ALCS between the Sox/Yankees and the Tribe.  If that happens to be the case, all the better.  If the Indians choke, I will disavow all love for them.

I'm no Indians fan, but I may convert if it's a Boston-Cleveland ALCS.  And of course if the Yankees can pull of the wild card, even better.

And you can assume you're invited.  Dinner parties are already in the works...however, the tradeoff may be lugging furniture up two flights of narrow stairs.;)

So I obviously haven't been on LSD in a while.... but...

Saja's and my apartment is AMAZING and SCAP of course you're invited over.  However, I will put a time limit on sports conversations if there is nobody else around to entertain me with non-sports talk.   
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on June 19, 2007, 07:13:48 AM
PSA: If you're going to buy a computer and want to take advantage of HLS' so-generous contribution reduction (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt)),
DON'T BUY YOUR COMPUTER UNTIL AFTER JULY 1! They don't tell you this online or anything, but only computers bought after the end of June are eligible.

(Yes, I just bought mine last week when the financial aid office wasn't replying to my emails. They got back to me today with the above information -- *grumble, grumble*)

But on this page
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php)
it says:

Quote
Any computer purchased prior to June 15th of the summer before you enter HLS or after April 2nd of the year you graduate cannot be considered an "education-related" expense. Therefore, we cannot help you finance its purchase.

 ??? ??? ???

Yeah, I caught that too. I think the difference is that the page you linked is for computer loans, and the program I inquired about is for reducing the student contribution. There's a link from the page I linked to that would seem like it would have the details on this program (and the consumer debt payoff program), but it leads to a 404 error.

The woman who emailed me today did indicate that the list of covered accessories (monitor, etc.) on the page you linked applies to the reduction program, too.

What is the deal with this? Does this mean that the computer I buy this summer will count but the student debt that I payed off in April will not?

Also since they take this amount away from your student contribution, does that mean that they give you more grants in exchange?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on June 19, 2007, 02:25:58 PM
PSA: If you're going to buy a computer and want to take advantage of HLS' so-generous contribution reduction (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt)),
DON'T BUY YOUR COMPUTER UNTIL AFTER JULY 1! They don't tell you this online or anything, but only computers bought after the end of June are eligible.

(Yes, I just bought mine last week when the financial aid office wasn't replying to my emails. They got back to me today with the above information -- *grumble, grumble*)

But on this page
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php)
it says:

Quote
Any computer purchased prior to June 15th of the summer before you enter HLS or after April 2nd of the year you graduate cannot be considered an "education-related" expense. Therefore, we cannot help you finance its purchase.

 ??? ??? ???

Yeah, I caught that too. I think the difference is that the page you linked is for computer loans, and the program I inquired about is for reducing the student contribution. There's a link from the page I linked to that would seem like it would have the details on this program (and the consumer debt payoff program), but it leads to a 404 error.

The woman who emailed me today did indicate that the list of covered accessories (monitor, etc.) on the page you linked applies to the reduction program, too.

What is the deal with this? Does this mean that the computer I buy this summer will count but the student debt that I payed off in April will not?

Also since they take this amount away from your student contribution, does that mean that they give you more grants in exchange?

Yeah, I mean that's what I interpreted it to mean. That's what I hope will happen. My personal case is now being discussed by the financial aid committee, so we'll see what happens.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on June 20, 2007, 06:12:43 AM
PSA: If you're going to buy a computer and want to take advantage of HLS' so-generous contribution reduction (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt)),
DON'T BUY YOUR COMPUTER UNTIL AFTER JULY 1! They don't tell you this online or anything, but only computers bought after the end of June are eligible.

(Yes, I just bought mine last week when the financial aid office wasn't replying to my emails. They got back to me today with the above information -- *grumble, grumble*)

But on this page
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php)
it says:

Quote
Any computer purchased prior to June 15th of the summer before you enter HLS or after April 2nd of the year you graduate cannot be considered an "education-related" expense. Therefore, we cannot help you finance its purchase.

 ??? ??? ???

Yeah, I caught that too. I think the difference is that the page you linked is for computer loans, and the program I inquired about is for reducing the student contribution. There's a link from the page I linked to that would seem like it would have the details on this program (and the consumer debt payoff program), but it leads to a 404 error.

The woman who emailed me today did indicate that the list of covered accessories (monitor, etc.) on the page you linked applies to the reduction program, too.

What is the deal with this? Does this mean that the computer I buy this summer will count but the student debt that I payed off in April will not?

Also since they take this amount away from your student contribution, does that mean that they give you more grants in exchange?

Yeah, I mean that's what I interpreted it to mean. That's what I hope will happen. My personal case is now being discussed by the financial aid committee, so we'll see what happens.
Yes, please update when you know what the deal is. :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on June 21, 2007, 01:42:09 PM
 
[/quote]

So I obviously haven't been on LSD in a while.... but...

Saja's and my apartment is AMAZING and SCAP of course you're invited over.  However, I will put a time limit on sports conversations if there is nobody else around to entertain me with non-sports talk.   
[/quote]

For you, I will try to limit the sportstalk.;)  Especially if the Sox are winning, because I don't care for that subject.


On another subject, has anyone checked out the deals that Harvard has on Lenovos?  I tried to get on but don't have my PIN yet, or else it's not working, I'm not quite sure.  Also, does anyone know if Harvard's IT service has any on display that you can try out?  I've heard they're good computers, but would kind of like to gauge the keyboard feel, etc before buying one.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on June 23, 2007, 12:46:33 AM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.


I also got an HAH apt. about 10 days ago . . . in Terry Terrace! (although I hope its not too noisy w/ the NW corner construction). Good luck to everyone still on the hunt.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on June 23, 2007, 06:32:50 AM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.


I also got an HAH apt. about 10 days ago . . . in Terry Terrace! (although I hope its not too noisy w/ the NW corner construction). Good luck to everyone still on the hunt.

Glad to know there were still TT apartments open just 10 days ago.  My window is not until mid-July ( :-\), but I'm hoping that things work out for me nonetheless.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on June 25, 2007, 09:07:17 AM
Picked a HAH apt--Haskins Hall. I WISH they would tell you what friggin floor your apartment is on. But no, I have to use my sleuthy skills.

Anyway, my lease starts 8/7, so I'll be up the following weekend, probably.


I also got an HAH apt. about 10 days ago . . . in Terry Terrace! (although I hope its not too noisy w/ the NW corner construction). Good luck to everyone still on the hunt.

Glad to know there were still TT apartments open just 10 days ago.  My window is not until mid-July ( :-\), but I'm hoping that things work out for me nonetheless.

Nat, not to put a damper on the situation, but, when I picked my apt last week, there were no more units available in Terry Terrace.  It's possible that more units in TT may open up and you might well find one during your window.  I'm sure you'll find something decent.  Good luck!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on June 25, 2007, 12:06:22 PM
Nat, not to put a damper on the situation, but, when I picked my apt last week, there were no more units available in Terry Terrace.  It's possible that more units in TT may open up and you might well find one during your window.  I'm sure you'll find something decent.  Good luck!

::sigh:: Thanks for letting me know, Pink.  Are you going to be in Boston this summer or are you coming just in time for Orientation?  Let me know.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on June 25, 2007, 01:31:32 PM
So looks like I'm going to be coming up to Cambridge this weekend (or sometime soon) to pick out an apartment (non-affiliated I'm afraid). Any pointers or suggestions?

Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: berntie on June 25, 2007, 06:45:55 PM
Saja and I just got an apartment together (a really great one by the way!).  A lot of the realtors I talked to didn't get back to me, but if any of you want the contact info for the more responsive and helpful ones, send me a message!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: mbgriffith1 on June 26, 2007, 11:42:12 AM
I found mine through Craigslist. Its not so much an apartment as the third floor of a family's house, but its over 600 sq ft for 1100/month without a roommate. I would def. try CL - I love that place.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on June 27, 2007, 11:01:08 AM
PSA: If you're going to buy a computer and want to take advantage of HLS' so-generous contribution reduction (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/basics/pamphlet.php#debt)),
DON'T BUY YOUR COMPUTER UNTIL AFTER JULY 1! They don't tell you this online or anything, but only computers bought after the end of June are eligible.

(Yes, I just bought mine last week when the financial aid office wasn't replying to my emails. They got back to me today with the above information -- *grumble, grumble*)

But on this page
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/sfs/billing/computer.php)
it says:

Quote
Any computer purchased prior to June 15th of the summer before you enter HLS or after April 2nd of the year you graduate cannot be considered an "education-related" expense. Therefore, we cannot help you finance its purchase.

 ??? ??? ???

Yeah, I caught that too. I think the difference is that the page you linked is for computer loans, and the program I inquired about is for reducing the student contribution. There's a link from the page I linked to that would seem like it would have the details on this program (and the consumer debt payoff program), but it leads to a 404 error.

The woman who emailed me today did indicate that the list of covered accessories (monitor, etc.) on the page you linked applies to the reduction program, too.

What is the deal with this? Does this mean that the computer I buy this summer will count but the student debt that I payed off in April will not?

Also since they take this amount away from your student contribution, does that mean that they give you more grants in exchange?

Yeah, I mean that's what I interpreted it to mean. That's what I hope will happen. My personal case is now being discussed by the financial aid committee, so we'll see what happens.
Yes, please update when you know what the deal is. :)

Alright, so it came out in my favor after all. Basically, you buy a computer and all the necessary accessories (per the linked list), certify in September that you bought them with your own assets and submit your receipts to the fin aid office, and they'll reduce your student contribution. Since I already managed to embarrass myself by buying before July 1, I wasn't about to press the person who contacted me for details on whether the reduction would be redistributed among loans, grants, or both. But if someone else wants to try their hand...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on June 27, 2007, 11:02:54 AM
Hey, btw, anyone remember the address to mail the college certification to? I sort of, um, got mine signed and sealed without writing down the address on the form. I'm sure it's in the admit binder somewhere, but mine's across town and I'm working all day. Anyone recall?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on June 27, 2007, 11:09:32 AM
My binder is also across town (at home) - if you still need it tonight I might be able to find it:)


BTW was anyone else at the HLS happy hour in DC last night?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: katluva33 on June 27, 2007, 11:25:05 AM
Hey, btw, anyone remember the address to mail the college certification to? I sort of, um, got mine signed and sealed without writing down the address on the form. I'm sure it's in the admit binder somewhere, but mine's across town and I'm working all day. Anyone recall?

The college cert is also online in the admitted students section under the enrollment checklist (btw, is it just me or did the admissions page get a makeover?).  I think the address is just that of the admissions office, but my Adobe's acting up so I can't see the file.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on June 27, 2007, 04:00:28 PM
(btw, is it just me or did the admissions page get a makeover?).

It did!  :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on June 29, 2007, 11:01:39 AM
Does anybody know, do they confirm having received transcripts/Dean's Cert?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on June 29, 2007, 11:36:00 AM
If you don't hear from them my guess would be that it's OK - I got an e-mail informing me that mine hadn't been filled out properly by the incompetent people at my school's office and needed to be re-sent.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jackietob on June 29, 2007, 04:04:14 PM
What is everyone doing for their loans?  I am trying to decide whether going through a private lender is worth the hassle.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on July 01, 2007, 04:09:30 PM
sorry if this has already been covered...

does anyone know if HLS has Lenovo deals, and if so, how to access them?

thanks!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: The Human Fund on July 01, 2007, 04:47:35 PM


and another tangent...

Anyone else looking for roommates/apartments in the near vicinity of the law school? The more I think about it, the more I think I'd prefer to live with other law students.

Guess I shouldn't have ruled out dorms so quickly.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 01, 2007, 05:39:56 PM
Quote
What is everyone doing for their loans?  I am trying to decide whether going through a private lender is worth the hassle.

Stafford, Stafford, Stafford ;) I'm going with Bank of America. No origination fee is the most compelling reason, even if for some reason I end up missing the interest rate reduction for auto-debit and on-time payments.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: katluva33 on July 01, 2007, 07:16:11 PM
sorry if this has already been covered...

does anyone know if HLS has Lenovo deals, and if so, how to access them?

thanks!

Hey Pink!  There was an email sent to our HLS accounts on 6/21, copied below:

To: JD Students
From: Nathan Brown, CIO

Welcome to Harvard Law School! I hope that you are enjoying a fun and relaxing summer and are looking forward to your time at HLS. The admitted student web page (http://www.law.harvard.edu/administration/its/students/admit.php) contains important information regarding the services provided by Information Technology Services (ITS) at Harvard Law School.

Included in the ITS services are:

- Student Help Desk - located in the basement of Hauser Hall in the Student Computer Lab
- NetLocker - Online Network storage for backups and file transfer
- E-mail support - both on the web and through POP clients
- Lab and Public Kiosk computers - Macintosh and PC available
- Printing - Through our LPT One paid public print system
- Network Support - for wired and wireless connections
- Anti-virus Protection - all students receive a free copy of Symantec Anti-Virus (SAV)
- Microsoft Office - all students receive a free copy latest supported version of Microsoft Office
- All of this information and more can be located on the ITS Student Services web page (http://www.law.harvard.edu/administration/its/students/)

To minimize computer-related problems (and the associated frustrations), please read the information contained within the admitted student web page carefully! Included is a list of steps you should take to prepare your computer for use on the HLS network, including how to change your password, set an administrator password for your computer and where to get our HLS provided virus software. It is vital you take these steps to reduce the risk of contracting, or spreading, a computer virus when you connect to the HLS network.

If you are planning on purchasing a new computer we suggest you use the Harvard University Technology Product Center (more information available at http://www.law.harvard.edu/administration/its/students/admit.php#purchase) to purchase an already configured HLS recommended Lenovo T60 (Microsoft Windows XP™ Professional) or T60p (Microsoft Windows Vista™ Home Premium) laptop at a substantially discount.

Each of these models will include:
- Symantec Anti-Virus
- Microsoft Office
- Will be configured to access the HLS wireless network
- Contains pre-configured links to HLS resources
- Is supported by the HLS Student Help Desk

Arriving with a well functioning computer, copies of your operating system and other software CDs, and knowledge of your applications is very important.

Find the admitted student web page here: http://www.law.harvard.edu/administration/its/students/admit.php

For additional information, please visit the Law School's Web site at http://www.law.harvard.edu/administration/its/students/, call the student help desk at 617-495-9576, or e-mail help@law.harvard.edu. We look forward to your arrival this fall!

Quote
What is everyone doing for their loans?  I am trying to decide whether going through a private lender is worth the hassle.

Stafford, Stafford, Stafford ;) I'm going with Bank of America. No origination fee is the most compelling reason, even if for some reason I end up missing the interest rate reduction for auto-debit and on-time payments.

I thought T.H.E. was the better option.  There's no origination or guarantor fee, and there's a 1.5% interest rate reduction that begins on repayment.  You keep it until you are 60+ days past due, and it begins again as soon as you become current.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 01, 2007, 07:54:27 PM
Quote
I thought T.H.E. was the better option.  There's no origination or guarantor fee, and there's a 1.5% interest rate reduction that begins on repayment.  You keep it until you are 60+ days past due, and it begins again as soon as you become current.

Based on the above, I guess it is. The HLS loan page didn't list T.H.E. in the comparison chart, though, and I'm lazy. I also use BoA already (not that it really matters for the purposes of finding a lender). The terms listed on the BoA site are .25% rate reduction for auto-debit and a 1% reduction of the outstanding principal balance for each year that you make the payments on time... somewhat different than the straight 2% interest rate reduction listed on the HLS site, but not terrible either.

At the least, to respond to the original question, almost any of the recommended private lenders will be better than the Direct Stafford Loan option, where you have to pay the nasty 2.5% origination fee.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on July 02, 2007, 06:09:50 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on MEFA?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on July 02, 2007, 06:59:06 AM
sorry if this has already been covered...

does anyone know if HLS has Lenovo deals, and if so, how to access them?

thanks!
If you are planning on purchasing a new computer we suggest you use the Harvard University Technology Product Center (more information available at http://www.law.harvard.edu/administration/its/students/admit.php#purchase) to purchase an already configured HLS recommended Lenovo T60 (Microsoft Windows XP™ Professional) or T60p (Microsoft Windows Vista™ Home Premium) laptop at a substantially discount.

Each of these models will include:
- Symantec Anti-Virus
- Microsoft Office
- Will be configured to access the HLS wireless network
- Contains pre-configured links to HLS resources
- Is supported by the HLS Student Help Desk

Arriving with a well functioning computer, copies of your operating system and other software CDs, and knowledge of your applications is very important.


Thanks, katluva!  :-*
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: katluva33 on July 02, 2007, 10:28:05 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on MEFA?

MEFA was my second choice after T.H.E.  They also don't charge any fees, and you get the automatic .25% rate reduction upon repayment, with the extra .5% if you do auto-debit.  After the first 24 months of on-time payments, you get .5% off, then another .5% after another 12 months, and another .5% after another 12 months.  You don't lose the discount once you've earned it, and if you get all of them, you'll have only a 4.55% interest rate after 4 years.  I ended up going with T.H.E. for four reasons:

1) I found a website that compared interest rate reductions given later in the loan to their value if they had been given at the beginning of the repayment period (http://projectonstudentdebt.org/loandiscounts.vp.html), and it comes out to less than it looks like. (a 1% interest rate reduction after 4 years is worth less than half of a 1% reduction at repayment)

2) You have to make four years of on-time payments to get all the reductions, and while I don't plan on paying late, you don't have to make those many on-time payments for T.H.E.

3) I don't like doing auto-debit because I like to keep control over my finances and bills, which takes .5% off of my rate reduction.

4) The customer service people I talked to didn't seem to know what they were talking about (one girl actually told me she didn't know what interest capitalization was, and no one could give me any kind of estimate on total cost or interest paid).

I don't work for T.H.E. or anything, but I thought it was the better deal.  Were T.H.E. not an option, I definitely would have gone with MEFA.  Hopefully other people can chime in and add their thoughts. I started a MEFA thread a while ago and got few responses.  MEFA's a great option, I just felt it had more strings attached than T.H.E.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 02, 2007, 11:10:25 AM
Argh... any of these are better options than Bank of America, which only offers a rate reduction for auto-debit (and it's 0.50%, not 2.00% as claimed on the HLS site). Partially my fault for not reading the terms that closely, but they should really update their table.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: katluva33 on July 02, 2007, 11:40:34 AM
Argh... any of these are better options than Bank of America, which only offers a rate reduction for auto-debit (and it's 0.50%, not 2.00% as claimed on the HLS site). Partially my fault for not reading the terms that closely, but they should really update their table.

I don't know all the details, but I think you can cancel your loans if you got them fairly recently.  Check your MPN or call the school, you may be able to get out of it (if you want to, that is).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on July 02, 2007, 11:49:45 AM
I went with MEFA. One of the factors influencing my decision was the possibility for some private lenders to be bought up in whole or in part before you begin repayment. As I discovered during my research, Sallie Mae is big on doing this, apparently. Suddenly, the incentives that you expected to receive when repayment begins aren't there anymore -- it's up to the loan's new owner whether to honor those terms, since they're not in the contract that you signed. At least, this was my understanding from a couple afternoons of reading. My thinking was, with a semi-public entity like MEFA,  the possibility of buyout or dissolution is less.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on July 02, 2007, 12:36:56 PM
Argh... any of these are better options than Bank of America, which only offers a rate reduction for auto-debit (and it's 0.50%, not 2.00% as claimed on the HLS site). Partially my fault for not reading the terms that closely, but they should really update their table.

No, the 2% part really is true.  If you go to HLS, you can't apply for the loan directly through the BOA website.  What you need to do (and this was not clearly explained on the SFS website...I had to call someone at SFS and have them talk me through it) is go to the regular Financial Aid site.  Then click, "Education Loans" from the right-hand menu bar.  Then click "Loan Links" from the next right-hand menu.  You'll be directed to a listing of the four common loan providers, one of which is BOA.  From there, you're directed to a BOA page specifically for HLS students.  That's where the 2% reduction term is listed, and you get this from simply setting up auto-debit.  There are no other repayment incentives to wait upon, so I figured BOA was the best bet after all.

If you applied for the BOA loan already, you may want to call and clarify.  When I spoke with the BOA representative about the difference in terms listed on their website versus the SFS website, they said that HLS students can't apply "directly."  So, you have to go through the whole process I detailed above and apply only from the link off of the Financial Aid page.  hth  :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: katluva33 on July 02, 2007, 01:03:16 PM
wow, nat, that is awesome.  I guess BoA wins  ;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 02, 2007, 01:22:06 PM
Thanks! The 2% reduction for auto-debit does seem like the best deal available. I did apply through that link IIRC and I think when I read the 0.50% reduction I had found my way back to the BoA site through some other avenue (it wasn't the HLS-specific page). I'll call and get it sorted out.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 02, 2007, 02:11:20 PM
anybody know how difficult it is to waiver HLS's medical coverage?

(I'm a youngin and still covered by my mom's health insurance)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on July 04, 2007, 01:07:46 AM
Thanks! The 2% reduction for auto-debit does seem like the best deal available. I did apply through that link IIRC and I think when I read the 0.50% reduction I had found my way back to the BoA site through some other avenue (it wasn't the HLS-specific page). I'll call and get it sorted out.

After you find out, could you please post your results? I went with the BOA loans as well and hope the 2 percent reduction is legit !
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 04, 2007, 08:20:47 AM
Yeah, I called yesterday. It's fine. The woman at first read the standard terms from the website but when I told her it was for HLS she put me on hold for five minutes then came back and said that the loans were administered through MOHELA and had the 2% rate reduction when repayment starts.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on July 04, 2007, 10:35:05 PM
Yeah, I called yesterday. It's fine. The woman at first read the standard terms from the website but when I told her it was for HLS she put me on hold for five minutes then came back and said that the loans were administered through MOHELA and had the 2% rate reduction when repayment starts.

Thanks!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: fleurs on July 05, 2007, 09:19:36 AM
Regarding loans, what is T.H.E.? I'm sure it'll be obvious, but I'm a little lost at the moment & trying to track down the best option for my Stafford loans. Thanks!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: fleurs on July 10, 2007, 11:43:32 AM
OK. So I figured out that T.H.E. must be Total Higher Education...right?

I tried to find the rates but when asked for my school in Massachusetts Harvard doesn't show up! What gives? How can I get the right information on this loan?

By the way, Katluva33, thanks for the link to projectonstudentdebt.org--the discount analyzer is a great tool!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: katluva33 on July 10, 2007, 02:14:14 PM
OK. So I figured out that T.H.E. must be Total Higher Education...right?

I tried to find the rates but when asked for my school in Massachusetts Harvard doesn't show up! What gives? How can I get the right information on this loan?

By the way, Katluva33, thanks for the link to projectonstudentdebt.org--the discount analyzer is a great tool!

The rates for Harvard are the same as those listed under the general "terms and conditions" menu.  I don't know why it won't come up, though.  If you just put in the state and not the school, there'll be a list of schools.  The rates for the Stafford under Boston College are the same as the ones for Harvard (I can't speak about the other kinds of loans, though).

If you decide to go with them, when you apply, it'll ask you to pick what type of grad school.  Don't pick law.  All of Harvard's graduate schools are listed under the general graduate school option.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Laurenrae52 on July 12, 2007, 01:03:06 PM
Awww, I just got all excited for ya'll starting law school in the fall!! I remember being in the exact same place last year - trying to figure out loans, computers, etc - just take it from me - it'll all be fine! You're going to love HLS.

If you have questions, let me know!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on July 12, 2007, 01:13:01 PM
Awww, I just got all excited for ya'll starting law school in the fall!! I remember being in the exact same place last year - trying to figure out loans, computers, etc - just take it from me - it'll all be fine! You're going to love HLS.

If you have questions, let me know!

Hi Lauren, when it comes to computers, what wins out for most people, 14-inch screen or 12-inch screen?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Laurenrae52 on July 12, 2007, 01:14:35 PM
I say there are more 14 inch ones floating around - but I have the 12 inch x-60s and I am obsessed with it.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: amaterasu on July 12, 2007, 02:22:56 PM
anybody know how difficult it is to waiver HLS's medical coverage?

(I'm a youngin and still covered by my mom's health insurance)

It didn't seem very difficult. (I'm assuming my waiver got approved because the Health insurance fee isn't appearing on my ebill -- does it show up for those of you who didn't waive coverage?). 

Just go to this student health services page (http://huhs.harvard.edu/Waiver/default.htm) and read through the waiver information, then fill out the form to waive BCBS coverage. (It just asks some standard information about your health insurance; it shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes if you've got your insurance card handy). 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Aaron42 on July 12, 2007, 02:44:58 PM
A question for Lauren...and anyone who might know:

If you waive your student health insurance, will the student health services accept your private health insurance? What kind of fees do they have for services if you waived their insurance?

I'll probably call tomorrow, but I think they're closed today.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 12, 2007, 08:41:45 PM
The insurance fee is on my e-bill, and I don't remember waiving coverage...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on July 12, 2007, 10:01:32 PM
If you waive your student health insurance, will the student health services accept your private health insurance? What kind of fees do they have for services if you waived their insurance?

I'm pretty sure you can only waive the student health fee (I think it's around $780) if you are a part-time student or studying abroad/visiting at another law school, etc for the semester. From the website:

"The Student Health Fee (SHF) covers most services provided at the Harvard University Health Services (HUHS) and includes a prescription drug benefit.  Students who apply to waive the SHF* agree to waive the prescription benefit as well, and agree to be seen on a fee-for-service basis at Harvard University Health Services for urgent care services only."

If you're still covered by a parent/spouse/whatever and have health insurance that is equivalent to their additional BCBS policy (the part that is >$2,000), you are released from your obligation to pay for the additional coverage.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Laurenrae52 on July 13, 2007, 07:34:01 AM
That's right - you can't waive the student health fee, only the extra insurance. I wasn't able to waive the BCBS but I've never had to use it - the student health fee covers most everything you'll ever need on a day to day basis.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on July 13, 2007, 08:31:42 AM
That's right - you can't waive the student health fee, only the extra insurance. I wasn't able to waive the BCBS but I've never had to use it - the student health fee covers most everything you'll ever need on a day to day basis.

I don't really understand this.  So, even if you have health insurance that includes a prescription drug benefit and routine medical care, you cannot waive the health fees?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Laurenrae52 on July 13, 2007, 11:19:40 AM
That is correct, if you are a full time student.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: AFlatTaxIsTheOnlyFairTax on July 16, 2007, 09:10:17 AM
Greetings all,

It is quite wonderful to see all your musings here on this website.  As fourth generation Harvard Law Student, I believe I am particularly knowledgeable about the goings on and procedural minutiae of our wonderful institution.  As such, feel free to venture your queries in my direction.  Unless of course [chuckle], the question is in regards to affirmative action or some other such bleeding-heart, "Save the Whales/Coloreds" kind of liberal agenda.

Cheers,

Archibald Von Billingsley III
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: mbgriffith1 on July 16, 2007, 09:34:11 PM
Greetings all,

It is quite wonderful to see all your musings here on this website.  As fourth generation Harvard Law Student, I believe I am particularly knowledgeable about the goings on and procedural minutiae of our wonderful institution.  As such, feel free to venture your queries in my direction.  Unless of course [chuckle], the question is in regards to affirmative action or some other such bleeding-heart, "Save the Whales/Coloreds" kind of liberal agenda.

Cheers,

Archibald Von Billingsley III

Is this for real? If so, I like you.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on July 17, 2007, 02:02:10 PM
"Save the Whales/Coloreds"

::smh::
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 17, 2007, 03:21:54 PM
Greetings all,

It is quite wonderful to see all your musings here on this website.  As fourth generation Harvard Law Student, I believe I am particularly knowledgeable about the goings on and procedural minutiae of our wonderful institution.  As such, feel free to venture your queries in my direction.  Unless of course [chuckle], the question is in regards to affirmative action or some other such bleeding-heart, "Save the Whales/Coloreds" kind of liberal agenda.

Cheers,

Archibald Von Billingsley III

Is this for real? If so, I like you.

ironically speaking, of course, right?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 17, 2007, 03:29:20 PM
Oh, and:

Has anyone had any good ethnic food experiences in Cambridge recently? I'm looking for cheap Thai/indian/burritos for nights/lunches where I don't feel like cooking.

LOVED All Star Sandwich Bar in Inman Sq, but it's sort of a trek for a quick bite.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 17, 2007, 03:58:32 PM
Rangzen, 24 Pearl St. Good Tibetan, near Central Square.

La Mexicana in Union Sq. (haven't been there, sounds like it might be good)

Punjabi Dhaba in Inman Sq. (haven't been there, and I'm very skeptical of recommendations for Indian, besides)

Le's (formerly Pho Pasteur) in Harvard Sq. is pretty decent and cheap.

Of course, all of these places are unpleasantly far from my apartment. I'll be cooking almost all the time.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 17, 2007, 04:13:39 PM
Rangzen, 24 Pearl St. Good Tibetan, near Central Square.

La Mexicana in Union Sq. (haven't been there, sounds like it might be good)

Punjabi Dhaba in Inman Sq. (haven't been there, and I'm very skeptical of recommendations for Indian, besides)

Le's (formerly Pho Pasteur) in Harvard Sq. is pretty decent and cheap.

Of course, all of these places are unpleasantly far from my apartment. I'll be cooking almost all the time.

Exactly. Sucks. I went to Myrtle beach for senior week and the people I was with cooked every night. Good food (homemade baba ganoush), but i was starting to lose my mind. Neither I nor my boyfriend are good enough cooks to makeup for a lack of takeout in my life. Also i like complicated food.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 17, 2007, 04:17:24 PM
Wait, I just remembered delivery. Convenient, especially in the dead of winter. Maybe I'll cook 75% of the time ::)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 17, 2007, 04:29:19 PM
 :'(

GOD this is depressing. WHAT WILL I DO WITHOUT THAI TAKEOUT WITHIN AN EIGHT MINUTE WALK?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 17, 2007, 04:41:52 PM
Spice Thai *may* be within an eight-minute walk. I remember it being decent.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 17, 2007, 05:53:10 PM
Savior. Brownie points.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 17, 2007, 07:05:42 PM
Save them until you've tried it :D

Has anyone moved in yet?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on July 17, 2007, 08:49:56 PM
stjobs doesn't know what he/she is talking about.  More affordable options than anywhere short of Berkeley.  Tried to drink Toby Stock under the table tonight.  May or may not have succeeded.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 17, 2007, 08:52:56 PM
So those places are actually close to my apartment? If so, I'm glad you know exactly where I live ;)

I never said there weren't/aren't a lot of places to eat - just that my place is not that conveniently situated to get to them quickly (<6 minutes). I probably have a narrow definition of 'convenient,' but that's my prerogative.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on July 17, 2007, 08:55:38 PM
So those places are actually close to my apartment? If so, I'm glad you know exactly where I live ;)

I never said there weren't/aren't a lot of places to eat - just that my place is not that conveniently situated to get to them quickly (<6 minutes). I probably have a narrow definition of 'convenient,' but that's my prerogative.

You probably live near where I do/am.  There are better and more places nearby.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 17, 2007, 08:59:27 PM
Please enlighten me, then! I don't want to cook *all* the time. I know almost nothing about the area, but if your definition is 'nearby' is similar to mine, I didn't see anything else on Yelp. The biggest plus is that I'm close to the HFA.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 17, 2007, 09:44:32 PM
Please enlighten me, then!

DITTO.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Zenith Electronics Corp. on July 17, 2007, 11:13:06 PM
this thread is approved
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on July 18, 2007, 07:14:45 AM
Just returned from a weekend in Cambridge and ate at several good places, although probably not an easy walk from most of you.

Muqueca's is a tiny Brazilian restaurant on Cambridge street in Inman Square (Dash- if you went to All-Star Sandwich, which, by the way looks extremely tasty) it's just a bit farther down the street from that.  Huge portions, pretty cheap, and soo soo good, and they also do take-out.  I also went to a place called Zoe's Chinese which is northeast of the law school on Beacon street, and has good food, cheap prices, and, best of all, BYOB!  I'm used to living in a place with a ton of reasonably inexpensive and good Thai/Vietnamese places, and I don't think that is necessarily Cambridge's specialty, but I don't think there's any shortage of good restaurants.  Oh, also, if you're looking to go out, Grendel's Den on Eliot Street in Harvard Square has half price food (on top of already cheap prices) from 5-7:30 and then again at night if you order a drink.  It's just pub food but it's a fun atmosphere and I noticed they have a very veggie-friendly menu of you're vegetarian, too. Also, I have to add that I visited Trader Joes for the first time in my life and I'm already a convert.  I mean, $2.99 wine??

So, when are people moving down (or I guess "up" for most of you;)) "for good"?  I just moved my date up to August 2nd and I want company!


Edit: I also stumbled upon this link, which might give some takeout/delivery ideas.  https://www.diningin.com/Default.aspx?gclid=CPrP7d2lsY0CFRyOFQodZx7y0g
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on July 18, 2007, 07:57:05 AM
I'm driving up on August 11th. It'd be great to get to know some of my classmates before orientation starts!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 18, 2007, 08:21:53 AM
Probably around the 21st. I can't imagine finding something constructive to do in more than a week and a half before orientation.

Zoe's actually looks very good and is less than ten minutes from my place.

I also found this site: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~lipoff/miscellaneous/menus/

TJ's is not conveniently located for me but Reliable Market is not too far - at least until it gets cold.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 18, 2007, 08:22:58 AM
Moving up the weekend of August 10th so my bf can find a job and we can find furniture.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jd2bee on July 18, 2007, 09:12:19 AM
Rangzen, 24 Pearl St. Good Tibetan, near Central Square.

La Mexicana in Union Sq. (haven't been there, sounds like it might be good)

Punjabi Dhaba in Inman Sq. (haven't been there, and I'm very skeptical of recommendations for Indian, besides)

Le's (formerly Pho Pasteur) in Harvard Sq. is pretty decent and cheap.

Of course, all of these places are unpleasantly far from my apartment. I'll be cooking almost all the time.

I had Punjabi Dhaba and it was really awesome.  One of my HLS guide people there was Indian and he said it's the best homecookedish food outside of his mother's kitchen in Boston.  It's not upscale (you eat on trays), is definitely cheap, and the portions are big.  Very spicy and delish.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 18, 2007, 10:50:43 AM
I feel WAY behind the times.  I arrive on the 28th.  Hopefully you will all have the food figured out and can catch me up!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 18, 2007, 10:54:58 AM
Has anybody looked at the Dudley/Commuter meal passes?  They are a little pricey but I do like the idea of being able to take a short walk to the UG campus for already cooked food every once in a while.  Then again I'm coming straight from UG, so I'm not above cafateria food.  Thoughts?

http://www.dining.harvard.edu/pdf/menus/DudleyDining2004-05.pdf

http://www.dining.harvard.edu/campus_restaurants/commuter.html
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on July 18, 2007, 11:31:07 AM
Has anybody looked at the Dudley/Commuter meal passes?  They are a little pricey but I do like the idea of being able to take a short walk to the UG campus for already cooked food every once in a while.  Then again I'm coming straight from UG, so I'm not above cafateria food.  Thoughts?

http://www.dining.harvard.edu/pdf/menus/DudleyDining2004-05.pdf

http://www.dining.harvard.edu/campus_restaurants/commuter.html

Hmm, I'm guessing that you're living in the dorms, so probably a meal plan isn't a bad idea, but the Dudley plan I believe is usually used by GSAS (arts and science graduate) students, which might be a good way to meet people, but is also probably a 10 minute walk from the law school.  Harkness Commons (on the law campus) seems to have decent food from the few times I've been in there, and you'd probably find that a lot more convenient than being tied to a real meal plan.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: CBrat on July 18, 2007, 11:36:49 AM
My boyfriend and I are moving out of here (Texas) July 28th, stopping by Denver and Iowa to see family and expecting to get to our apartment around the 5th or 6th.  However, we're not actually living in Cambridge.  Hopefully I'll be able to find good local food in Watertown.


Oops- fixed now. My mind is just too fixed on August  :-X
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 18, 2007, 11:54:40 AM
Cutting it close? I thought orientation was the 30th...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: CBrat on July 18, 2007, 12:00:20 PM
Fixed it now- yeah, moving August 28th would be cutting it close.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on July 18, 2007, 12:31:55 PM
Has anyone had any good ethnic food experiences in Cambridge recently? I'm looking for cheap Thai/indian/burritos for nights/lunches where I don't feel like cooking.

I don't know of all the quick takeout places in Cambridge yet, but for the days when you have a bit more time to spare...

The best Indian food I've had is from Diva in Davis Square (technically, Somerville, but it's just two stops away from Harvard Square on the T) and Rani in Coolidge Corner (you can take the 66 bus there to cut down on trip time.) 

There's a place called something like the Brown Sugar Cafe on Comm Ave that's pretty good.  I think it's Thai, but I could be wrong.  Finally, there's also a good restuarant about a block away from Hynes Convention Center T stop.  The name of it escapes me at the moment, but I could let you know later.
 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on July 18, 2007, 12:34:25 PM
Also, I have to add that I visited Trader Joes for the first time in my life and I'm already a convert.  I mean, $2.99 wine?

Seconded!  I went into a such a severe state of withdrawal at the prospect of leaving my favorite TJ's store behind that I have already mapquested the route from the law school to the Cambridge store.   :D
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 18, 2007, 02:28:52 PM
definately cutting it close, but I think thats when dorms open?

Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on July 18, 2007, 03:27:37 PM
Also, I have to add that I visited Trader Joes for the first time in my life and I'm already a convert.  I mean, $2.99 wine?

Seconded!  I went into a such a severe state of withdrawal at the prospect of leaving my favorite TJ's store behind that I have already mapquested the route from the law school to the Cambridge store.   :D

Perhaps we can lobby the dean to charter buses between the LS and TJ's as part of the effort to enhance the student experience.;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on July 19, 2007, 08:51:52 AM
I ate at a korean bbq place on mass ave just north of school two visits ago. It was quite tasty:)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on July 19, 2007, 09:07:19 AM
I ate at a korean bbq place on mass ave just north of school two visits ago. It was quite tasty:)


That's pretty near my place...I think it might be called "Seoul Food"?  (I won't be prepared for law school, but restaurants, restaurants I'll have down.)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on July 19, 2007, 09:33:13 AM
Cool. I'm going to be living on Harvard St between Dana and Hancock - anything good around there or anyone else in the immediate area?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on July 19, 2007, 10:13:40 AM
Perhaps we can lobby the dean to charter buses between the LS and TJ's as part of the effort to enhance the student experience.;)

Where do I sign?  ;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on July 19, 2007, 10:18:55 AM
Cool. I'm going to be living on Harvard St between Dana and Hancock - anything good around there or anyone else in the immediate area?


That's where I'll be living, too!

And speaking of bbq...I think I may have some trouble with the lack of access to authentic NC bbq in the area. Any tips on places that serve even passable imitations, or am I fated to have to load up on it when I'm visiting home? For the record, I love all kinds of bbq, so any decent bbq restaurant recommendations would be appreciated, but I have a particular fondness for vinegar-based deliciousness.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on July 19, 2007, 10:24:56 AM
Cool. I'm going to be living on Harvard St between Dana and Hancock - anything good around there or anyone else in the immediate area?


That's where I'll be living, too!

And speaking of bbq...I think I may have some trouble with the lack of access to authentic NC bbq in the area. Any tips on places that serve even passable imitations, or am I fated to have to load up on it when I'm visiting home? For the record, I love all kinds of bbq, so any decent bbq restaurant recommendations would be appreciated, but I have a particular fondness for vinegar-based deliciousness.

There are a couple of bbq places around, but some of them serve Memphis-style dishes or concoctions otherwise drenched in some thick sauce.  The only names I can remember right off the top of my head are Redbones (in Davis Square) and the Village Smokehouse (or something like that) near Brookline Village.  There is at least once restaurant that serves vingear-based eastern NC-style bbq, but the name escapes me at the moment as I haven't actually been to it yet.  Never fear though!  I cut out a section of the Improper Bostonian (the free magazine you get that tells you what's going on around the city) about two years ago that gives the dibs on 7 or 8 bbq spots around the city.  I'll make you a copy and share the wealth!   :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on July 19, 2007, 10:28:08 AM
I cut out a section of the Improper Bostonian (the free magazine you get that tells you what's going on around the city) about two years ago that gives the dibs on 7 or 8 bbq spots around the city.  I'll make you a copy and share the wealth!   :)

That would be wonderful...I had a feeling I might get some good info on the subject from you! :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on July 19, 2007, 10:29:35 AM
I cut out a section of the Improper Bostonian (the free magazine you get that tells you what's going on around the city) about two years ago that gives the dibs on 7 or 8 bbq spots around the city.  I'll make you a copy and share the wealth!   :)

That would be wonderful...I had a feeling I might get some good info on the subject from you! :)

Lol  :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 19, 2007, 10:42:02 AM
Any decent hotdog places near campus?

We should change this to the "Places for HLS class to eat" thread.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on July 19, 2007, 10:46:50 AM
Cool. I'm going to be living on Harvard St between Dana and Hancock - anything good around there or anyone else in the immediate area?


That's where I'll be living, too!

And speaking of bbq...I think I may have some trouble with the lack of access to authentic NC bbq in the area. Any tips on places that serve even passable imitations, or am I fated to have to load up on it when I'm visiting home? For the record, I love all kinds of bbq, so any decent bbq restaurant recommendations would be appreciated, but I have a particular fondness for vinegar-based deliciousness.

Cool! I've no clue on the BBQ, but I'm not above cooking. I dunno if there is anywhere to grill. I've a fairly large concrete balcony and there was nothing in the lease agreement to prohibit a grill, but I haven't checked city ordnances and such yet...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on July 19, 2007, 11:05:57 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118315470509653519.html

This article mentions the East Coast Grill as a place for good NC-style barbecue...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on July 19, 2007, 11:13:31 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118315470509653519.html

This article mentions the East Coast Grill as a place for good NC-style barbecue...

Fantastic - this place is definitely on my agenda of restaurants to try!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 19, 2007, 11:58:04 AM
ECG was on the way to the All Star Sandwich Bar, and i think they're owned/operated by the same chef. I also hear that seafood is the way to go at ECG.

As for bbq, pigtrip.net. NC style is my favorite, and I'll be trying these places out.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on July 19, 2007, 04:15:03 PM
Besides being a Yankees fan, I'm a real Yankee and have never had authentic BBQ. :o  I guess Cambridge would be an appropriate introduction.;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 19, 2007, 10:14:32 PM
Besides being a Yankees fan, I'm a real Yankee and have never had authentic BBQ. :o  I guess Cambridge would be an appropriate introduction.;)

Do you have any worry about your saftey in boston?   ;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on July 20, 2007, 04:51:37 PM
Besides being a Yankees fan, I'm a real Yankee and have never had authentic BBQ. :o  I guess Cambridge would be an appropriate introduction.;)

Do you have any worry about your saftey in boston?   ;)

Depends on A) how obviously I display it and B) if there's any chance they'll overtake the Red Sox by September.;)  But I'll take my chances.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: fleurs on July 23, 2007, 12:53:04 PM
Has anyone used movers in the Boston area? Packing up my current place has help me remember how much I hate moving... I definitely could use some help! But I've also heard horror stories about movers breaking things so I don't want to hire someone blindly.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Denny Crane on July 23, 2007, 02:42:19 PM
Besides being a Yankees fan, I'm a real Yankee and have never had authentic BBQ. :o  I guess Cambridge would be an appropriate introduction.;)

I'm a diehard Yankee, but even I know you can't have the best BBQ in the world w/o stepping foot in the midwest/South. 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 23, 2007, 02:57:49 PM
Besides being a Yankees fan, I'm a real Yankee and have never had authentic BBQ. :o  I guess Cambridge would be an appropriate introduction.;)

I'm a diehard Yankee, but even I know you can't have the best BBQ in the world w/o stepping foot in the midwest/South. 


Shirly Schmidt
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Denny Crane on July 23, 2007, 02:59:30 PM
Besides being a Yankees fan, I'm a real Yankee and have never had authentic BBQ. :o  I guess Cambridge would be an appropriate introduction.;)

I'm a diehard Yankee, but even I know you can't have the best BBQ in the world w/o stepping foot in the midwest/South. 


Shirly Schmidt

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Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on July 23, 2007, 05:20:01 PM
My boyfriend and I are moving out of here (Texas) July 28th, stopping by Denver and Iowa to see family and expecting to get to our apartment around the 5th or 6th.  However, we're not actually living in Cambridge.  Hopefully I'll be able to find good local food in Watertown.


Oops- fixed now. My mind is just too fixed on August  :-X

You sound exactly like someone from my section this past year.  Watertown is ok.  You have a couple of malls, which aren't fantastic but it's nice they're there.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on July 23, 2007, 05:21:07 PM
Cool. I'm going to be living on Harvard St between Dana and Hancock - anything good around there or anyone else in the immediate area?


That's where I'll be living, too!

And speaking of bbq...I think I may have some trouble with the lack of access to authentic NC bbq in the area. Any tips on places that serve even passable imitations, or am I fated to have to load up on it when I'm visiting home? For the record, I love all kinds of bbq, so any decent bbq restaurant recommendations would be appreciated, but I have a particular fondness for vinegar-based deliciousness.

There are a couple of bbq places around, but some of them serve Memphis-style dishes or concoctions otherwise drenched in some thick sauce.  The only names I can remember right off the top of my head are Redbones (in Davis Square) and the Village Smokehouse (or something like that) near Brookline Village.  There is at least once restaurant that serves vingear-based eastern NC-style bbq, but the name escapes me at the moment as I haven't actually been to it yet.  Never fear though!  I cut out a section of the Improper Bostonian (the free magazine you get that tells you what's going on around the city) about two years ago that gives the dibs on 7 or 8 bbq spots around the city.  I'll make you a copy and share the wealth!   :)

No one will ever go there because HLSers are tied to the one mile radius around campus, but Blue Ribbon BBQ in Arlington (up mass ave probably 5 miles) is absolutely fantastic.  They may have other locations.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on July 23, 2007, 05:22:10 PM
Besides being a Yankees fan, I'm a real Yankee and have never had authentic BBQ. :o  I guess Cambridge would be an appropriate introduction.;)

I, too, am a Yankees fan.  Cambridge=/=Boston.  At least 75% of its population is transplanted, and many don't care about baseball.  I've been ok, but not totally comfortable being a yankees fan.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 23, 2007, 07:50:51 PM
So I bought a Yankees suck jeter swollows Tshirt for nothing?  :(
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on July 23, 2007, 07:57:20 PM
So I bought a Yankees suck jeter swollows Tshirt for nothing?  :(

You can wear it.  Hang out around Fenway, and they'll love you.  You won't get any help from me.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 23, 2007, 08:05:50 PM
bass, how did your first year go by the way, I haven't been around much since January.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on July 23, 2007, 09:02:50 PM
bass, how did your first year go by the way, I haven't been around much since January.

I did surprisingly well, certainly better than I could have hoped.  My fiancee and I love where we're living; my classmates were fantastic; and the school provided many awesome opportunities (SCOTUS trip, former Solicitor General coming to speak to my section, same for Larry Luchinno...).  I only wish I had been a bit more laid back in the beginning of the first semester.  It's hard to know what to expect.

I look forward to hearing what profs you all have.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Jumper on July 24, 2007, 01:43:17 PM
I'm moving in August 15/16 on Mass Ave between Harvard Square and Central Square. Big Yankee fan too...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 29, 2007, 05:19:15 PM
Did anyone else apply for GradPLUS through Bank of America and get that funny, funny email about how the terms offered aren't actually the terms?

Or: who do people recommend for GradPlus?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Aaron42 on July 30, 2007, 01:10:57 PM
Did anyone else apply for GradPLUS through Bank of America and get that funny, funny email about how the terms offered aren't actually the terms?

Yes! And I thought everything was all wrapped up and done, but nooo.

Or: who do people recommend for GradPlus?

I'm also curious about this now.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 30, 2007, 03:24:16 PM
It's still a 6.5% interest rate for the repayment period, I think, which isn't bad, but I'm just sort of torn still. Probably because all this *&^% MAKES NO SENSE.

GAH.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on July 31, 2007, 08:18:25 PM
Nice Icon Dash    >:(
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on July 31, 2007, 08:24:10 PM
For what it's worth, my doctor now says it's not the tooth, it's the muscle strain I sustained two weeks ago having my mouth open for half an hour.

Dumbass lying condescending making-it-up-as-he-goes-along little *&^%.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Denny Crane on July 31, 2007, 08:25:29 PM
Dumbass lying condescending making-it-up-as-he-goes-along little *&^%.

*&^%, you're onto me...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 01, 2007, 08:50:02 AM
For what it's worth, my doctor now says it's not the tooth, it's the muscle strain I sustained two weeks ago having my mouth open for half an hour.

goodness.

It's clearly a lie. How're things?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Aaron42 on August 01, 2007, 10:34:06 AM
It's still a 6.5% interest rate for the repayment period, I think, which isn't bad, but I'm just sort of torn still. Probably because all this sh*t MAKES NO SENSE.

GAH.

Okay, I'm sticking with BoA. It's still the lowest overall amount for repayment. Added bonus...I don't have to re-fill out any forms or do anything!

What'd you decide dash?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 01, 2007, 11:36:32 AM
When are we going to find out our sections?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 01, 2007, 11:39:59 AM
It's still a 6.5% interest rate for the repayment period, I think, which isn't bad, but I'm just sort of torn still. Probably because all this sh*t MAKES NO SENSE.

GAH.

Okay, I'm sticking with BoA. It's still the lowest overall amount for repayment. Added bonus...I don't have to re-fill out any forms or do anything!

What'd you decide dash?

I came to precisely the same conclusion not ten minutes ago. Great minds!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 01, 2007, 02:22:50 PM
When are we going to find out our sections?

Last year, August 11:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php?topic=50817.1170
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 01, 2007, 02:37:45 PM
Also, after some cutting and pasting, here are the current profs by section (some empty spots).  The star indicates likely Section Leader, based on the "Faculty Leader Meeting" class.

UPDATED: Now includes "Legislation"

Section 1
Molot - Civpro
Brewer  - K's
Steiker* – Crim
Horwitz – Torts
Mack – Prop
Rakoff - Legislation

Section 2
Greiner - Civpro
Meltzer* – Crim
Glendon – Prop
Goldberg – Torts
Triantis – Ks
Stephenson - Legislation

Section 3
Super - Civpro
Mnookin – K's
Singer* - Prop
Lanni – Crim
? - Torts
Vermeule - Legislation

Section 4
Desan - Civpro
Suk – Crim
Manning* - Legislation
Hutchinson – Torts
Fried – K's
Mann – Prop

Section 5
Tyler - Civpro
Frug – K's
Sklansky – Crim
Barron* - Legislation
Donahue – Prop
Sargentich – Torts

Section 6
Frost - Civpro
Weinreb – Crim
Hanson* - Torts
Coates – K's
Bilder – Prop
Tushnet - Legislation

Section 7
Clark – Civpro
Rakoff* – K's
Shugerman – Torts
Washburn – Crim
Smith – Prop
Freeman - Legislation

http://www.law.harvard.edu/academics/courses/schedule/2007-08/


If this is accurate, it is very interesting to see some perrenial favorites missing: Warren, Minnow, and Dersh come quickly to mind.  Based on my limited knowledge, no section stands out as particularly rough or exciting, though I'd probably go for 4 myself.  I enjoyed both Mann and Fried (for very different reasons); Desan strikes me as very good; and Suk is a young star.  If Manning is involved, I think he's fantastic.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Denny Crane on August 01, 2007, 02:48:00 PM
Bass, didn't you make LR?  If so, congrats man. 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 01, 2007, 02:52:38 PM
bass - thanks, very helpful.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 01, 2007, 04:43:05 PM
When are we going to find out our sections?

Last year, August 11:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php?topic=50817.1170

Thanks... I can't wait.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 01, 2007, 09:21:45 PM
Bass, didn't you make LR?  If so, congrats man. 

Thanks!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Laurenrae52 on August 02, 2007, 07:33:42 AM
Out of that list, I had Steiker, Brewer, Mann and Hanson. All good in their own ways. Brewer was my least favorite, but I ended up doing better in his class then all my others. Go figure. Hanson teaches torts very untraditionally, but he's GREAT - really warm, brings his kids to class, funny power points, etc. Mann is very traditional socratic. He's a little scary the first few weeks, but really loosens up and is one of my favorites. Steiker was my only woman professor all year, so I was a bit biased towards her. I'm taking a course and a clinic with her this next year.

If anyone needs outlines or has questions once they get their schedules, let me know!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 02, 2007, 07:52:39 AM
Thanks for the outline offer, L52!

Bass, what did you like about Fried, Mann and Manning?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 02, 2007, 08:08:37 AM
Thanks for the outline offer, L52!

Bass, what did you like about Fried, Mann and Manning?

I didn't have Manning.  He is just well-known to be a rising superstar.  He's one of Dean Kagan's fantastic recent lateral hires, and he is a conservative.  HLS had a reputation for a while of avoiding conservative scholars, and it may have hurt the school a bit.  He also seems (in very limited interaction) to be a good guy.

Fried has had some incredible experiences.  He was SG (among other things, being in charge of representing the United States in front of the Supreme Court) and a Justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court.  He also wrote one of the best-known books in Contract law (Contract as Promise), though plenty of people criticize it for various reasons.  He now regularly represents insurance companies in the ugly side of appellate cases (e.g., trying to argue that Katrina victims should not recover because their houses were destroyed by flood not winds or whatever; trying to argue that the WTC owners should have limited recovery because the two planes constituted one "event," etc.).  This can turn your stomach, but it doesn't get much more high profile.  As a result, Fried has incredible stories.

Fried is also big on theory, which I like.  He is surprisingly pro-law and econ, which you would never have guessed from reading his classic works.  I'm not sure how I feel about that.

Mann will teach you property.  It will be a classic HLS Socratic experience, but generally not a scary one (unless, maybe, you have him 1st semester).  He is a really nice guy who has nice stories to tell himself that are directly relevant to the material (e.g., cutting off half of his balcony to meet zoning set-back requirements).  You finish the semester feeling like you've really learned the law.  He also assigns less reading than many other professors, though he will expect you to know the cases very well, particularly early on.

I think the majority of my section liked Mann the best (maybe Meltzer).  I personally liked Sarge the best, probably, but they were all great.  Fried didn't connect with many of my sectionmates (as I said, I very much enjoyed him personally), for varied reasons that I won't mention here.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jackietob on August 02, 2007, 08:16:31 AM
Anyone notice that some of the sections are taking 4 of the big 5, (civ pro, crim, prop, K's and torts), in the first semester?

Section 5 Fall:
civ pro
K's
crim
prop

yeesh....
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 02, 2007, 08:19:45 AM
Anyone notice that some of the sections are taking 4 of the big 5, (civ pro, crim, prop, K's and torts), in the first semester?

Section 5 Fall:
civ pro
K's
crim
prop

yeesh....

Aha!  That's it!  I forgot there's a new curriculum.  I'll update the list to include the legislation courses, which might totally change my opinions.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 02, 2007, 08:20:42 AM
yeah, it looks like they just randomized the non-civpro courses.  so are we not doing the new international law courses afterall?  I don't see them anywhere on the course list.

seems like each section will have its own challenges.  like for section 4, three of the 4 1st semester profs have never taught these classes at HLS before, so that means no old outlines, old exams to review, etc.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 02, 2007, 08:23:35 AM
yeah, it looks like they just randomized the non-civpro courses.  so are we not doing the new international law courses afterall?  I don't see them anywhere on the course list.

seems like each section will have its own challenges.  like for section 4, three of the 4 1st semester profs have never taught these classes at HLS before, so that means no old outlines, old exams to review, etc.

The international law thing may be added later.  I thought (you'd know better) that you will end up with a choice of a few in the Spring.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 02, 2007, 08:27:05 AM
Anyone notice that some of the sections are taking 4 of the big 5, (civ pro, crim, prop, K's and torts), in the first semester?

Section 5 Fall:
civ pro
K's
crim
prop

yeesh....

If you add in Legislation, it looks like every section will have 4 of the 6 in the fall, plus LRW.  The plan was to make the 5 less credit hours in order to make it work, which I they've done (4 instead of 5 credits).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: CBrat on August 02, 2007, 09:13:41 AM
Is there a place online to update my physical address?  Assuming we actually get our car back from the mechanic, I'll be in Boston in 3-4 days and want my section info to come to me rather than to my summer address.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 02, 2007, 09:18:35 AM
Is there a place online to update my physical address?  Assuming we actually get our car back from the mechanic, I'll be in Boston in 3-4 days and want my section info to come to me rather than to my summer address.

When I tried to update my address a few weeks back, I was told that everything that was going to be mailed had pretty much already been sent pretty much.  They also said that the address already on file had been passed along to all the various campus departments and could not be undone at this point.  Basically, they said that since I should only be receiving things by email at this point, they would be unable to officially change my address in their system.  Just passing that along... 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: CBrat on August 02, 2007, 09:22:11 AM
So during the school year my parents will still be getting my mail?  That's odd.  They're only my summer address because I wasn't sure how long I was staying in Texas before moving.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 02, 2007, 09:26:40 AM
So during the school year my parents will still be getting my mail?  That's odd.  They're only my summer address because I wasn't sure how long I was staying in Texas before moving.

No.  :P  Sorry if I wasn't clear.  I'm pretty sure they said that you'll update your address when you get to campus for Orientation.  Until then though, they're going to go with the one you originally provided.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: CBrat on August 02, 2007, 09:27:59 AM
Ah, got it now.  Well, I can put up with another 3 weeks of mail to Colorado then.  Thank you.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 02, 2007, 09:33:16 AM
Ah, got it now.  Well, I can put up with another 3 weeks of mail to Colorado then.  Thank you.

No prob!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 02, 2007, 02:12:39 PM
Just wanted to announce that I'm now in Cambridge "officially" for the better part of the next three years.  If anyone is in town or will be in town and ever wants to do something in the next few weeks, I'm sure I will be bored and up for anything, especially until I get cable.;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 02, 2007, 11:47:42 PM
Also, after some cutting and pasting, here are the current profs by section (some empty spots).  The star indicates likely Section Leader, based on the "Faculty Leader Meeting" class.

UPDATED: Now includes "Legislation"

Section 1
Molot - Civpro
Brewer  - K's
Steiker* – Crim
Horwitz – Torts
Mack – Prop
Rakoff - Legislation

Section 2
Greiner - Civpro
Meltzer* – Crim
Glendon – Prop
Goldberg – Torts
Triantis – Ks
Stephenson - Legislation

Section 3
Super - Civpro
Mnookin – K's
Singer* - Prop
Lanni – Crim
? - Torts
Vermeule - Legislation

Section 4
Desan - Civpro
Suk – Crim
Manning* - Legislation
Hutchinson – Torts
Fried – K's
Mann – Prop

Section 5
Tyler - Civpro
Frug – K's
Sklansky – Crim
Barron* - Legislation
Donahue – Prop
Sargentich – Torts

Section 6
Frost - Civpro
Weinreb – Crim
Hanson* - Torts
Coates – K's
Bilder – Prop
Tushnet - Legislation

Section 7
Clark – Civpro
Rakoff* – K's
Shugerman – Torts
Washburn – Crim
Smith – Prop
Freeman - Legislation

http://www.law.harvard.edu/academics/courses/schedule/2007-08/


If this is accurate, it is very interesting to see some perrenial favorites missing: Warren, Minnow, and Dersh come quickly to mind.  Based on my limited knowledge, no section stands out as particularly rough or exciting, though I'd probably go for 4 myself.  I enjoyed both Mann and Fried (for very different reasons); Desan strikes me as very good; and Suk is a young star.  If Manning is involved, I think he's fantastic.


Thanks for the list! I'm really interested to see which section I end up in.

I did some searching myself and noticed that Section II has fall classes in both "A" and "B" blocks, which means an 8:XX a.m. start every day of the week. All the other sections have a break-of-dawn class 3 days per week except for section IV, which has no classes scheduled before 10:00 a.m. (my personal choice . . . *cross fingers*).

As far as no E. Warren . . . the one hour mock-class with her in March was plenty for me. Whoa.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 02, 2007, 11:59:31 PM
I'd like section IV, I'm not a morning person.  Also, no Dersch?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 03, 2007, 12:04:37 AM
I'd like section IV, I'm not a morning person. Also, no Dersch?

I know . . . disappointing. Lots of "visiting" profs too, it seems.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 03, 2007, 05:31:05 AM
I'd like section IV, I'm not a morning person. Also, no Dersch?

I know . . . disappointing. Lots of "visiting" profs too, it seems.

Visiting profs are very common. The no dersh thing is less so. More disappointing is no Martha Minow or Elizabeth Warren, but I suppose everyone needs a break sometime.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on August 03, 2007, 06:04:17 AM
I did some searching myself and noticed that Section II has fall classes in both "A" and "B" blocks, which means an 8:XX a.m. start every day of the week. All the other sections have a break-of-dawn class 3 days per week except for section IV, which has no classes scheduled before 10:00 a.m. (my personal choice . . . *cross fingers*).

I am definitely going to keep my fingers crossed against section II. I purposefully haven't had a class before 10 since high school...though maybe that's just begging karma to stick me with all the early classes. Yeah, I know "the real world" doesn't wait until 10 AM to start (what with me posting from work at 9 AM), but there's a reason I'm putting "the real world" off for three more years!  ;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 03, 2007, 06:47:51 AM
I did some searching myself and noticed that Section II has fall classes in both "A" and "B" blocks, which means an 8:XX a.m. start every day of the week. All the other sections have a break-of-dawn class 3 days per week except for section IV, which has no classes scheduled before 10:00 a.m. (my personal choice . . . *cross fingers*).

I am definitely going to keep my fingers crossed against section II. I purposefully haven't had a class before 10 since high school...though maybe that's just begging karma to stick me with all the early classes. Yeah, I know "the real world" doesn't wait until 10 AM to start (what with me posting from work at 9 AM), but there's a reason I'm putting "the real world" off for three more years!  ;)

You'll like Section 2 if you get it.  Meltzer is a very good prof, and he brings in amazing speakers (Seth Waxman, Larry Lucchino, Ben Heineman, Margaret Marshall, etc.).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 03, 2007, 07:29:12 AM
Quote
I'd like section IV, I'm not a morning person.

Agreed.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 03, 2007, 08:20:25 AM
I will cry for days if I have 8 am start times every day of the week.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 03, 2007, 10:32:11 AM
Dear HLS:

I'm really really really not a morning person.  I feel that you and I will both agree, my education would be better served not having to attend class at 8 AM every day.  Please do not make me get up early for both my sanity and that of my classmates.  Also, please make Bass Editor of Law Review, he's a pretty nice guy.  Please also note, despite my SN, I am not a woman.

Thanks So much.

Cassise
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 03, 2007, 10:41:54 AM
Dear HLS:

I'm really really really not a morning person.  I feel that you and I will both agree, my education would be better served not having to attend class at 8 AM every day.  Please do not make me get up early for both my sanity and that of my classmates.  Also, please make Bass Editor of Law Review, he's a pretty nice guy.  Please also note, despite my SN, I am not a woman.

Thanks So much.

Cassise

lol.  The LR people answered your pleas, btw, per Mr. Crane's observation.

Also to echo LaurenRae52's note above, I'd be happy to help people out who end up with Meltzer, Fried, Mann, or Sargentich.  I don't really have outlines that are worth anything, but I have some other (perhaps more useful) stuff.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 03, 2007, 10:47:19 AM
thanks, bass, and congrats!  is it considered rude to ask someone if they got on through grades or write-on?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 03, 2007, 11:24:39 AM
thanks, bass, and congrats!  is it considered rude to ask someone if they got on through grades or write-on?

Maybe it would be rude if it were possible for me to tell you.  No one knows for sure how they get on.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jd2bee on August 03, 2007, 02:19:12 PM
Hello all.  Sorry I've been MIA for a while - work's been crazy.  So I've gotta represent the HLS Class of 2011 (so doesn't sound as cool as 2010).  Quick question for all of you who've gone through the off-campus housing search.  I'm going to be living off-campus, with boyfriend and dog.  When would you recommend I start looking for housing (I've never done so way in advance and don't quite know how that works).  Would you recommend I go with a broker (I hear it's pretty common on the East Coast).  Thanks!

Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 03, 2007, 05:05:24 PM
Hello all.  Sorry I've been MIA for a while - work's been crazy.  So I've gotta represent the HLS Class of 2011 (so doesn't sound as cool as 2010).  Quick question for all of you who've gone through the off-campus housing search.  I'm going to be living off-campus, with boyfriend and dog.  When would you recommend I start looking for housing (I've never done so way in advance and don't quite know how that works).  Would you recommend I go with a broker (I hear it's pretty common on the East Coast).  Thanks!



Jesus god, you're in for it. When I still entertained delusions of getting a dog, I was a craigslist person. You can search for pet-friendly and stuff like that pretty easily. I started looking in May, after I sent my deposit in, and I knew that I was looking for an August 1/August 15 start date. This proved to be the rub, as those are apparently very uncommon dates, and since there's a notification deadline of only 30 or 60 days for most places (I think), there were just not a lot of places that we were able to see in early June, when we went to Cambridge to apt-hunt. That said, a few weeks ago, I was idly CLing (after the bf and I have already settled on a HAH apt) and there looked to be a lot of Aug 1 apts. However, if you can do July 1 or 15th, you won't have a problem looking in June.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on August 04, 2007, 01:46:35 PM
Hello all.  Sorry I've been MIA for a while - work's been crazy.  So I've gotta represent the HLS Class of 2011 (so doesn't sound as cool as 2010).  Quick question for all of you who've gone through the off-campus housing search.  I'm going to be living off-campus, with boyfriend and dog.  When would you recommend I start looking for housing (I've never done so way in advance and don't quite know how that works).  Would you recommend I go with a broker (I hear it's pretty common on the East Coast).  Thanks!

I believe this policy has been revised to allow pets if you "register" them.  Check with Affiliated Housing to be certain.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 04, 2007, 06:37:14 PM
Hey, Pink!  Can't remember if I asked you, but when are you getting back to Boston?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: just call me elle on August 05, 2007, 05:10:58 AM
Hello all.  Sorry I've been MIA for a while - work's been crazy.  So I've gotta represent the HLS Class of 2011 (so doesn't sound as cool as 2010).  Quick question for all of you who've gone through the off-campus housing search.  I'm going to be living off-campus, with boyfriend and dog.  When would you recommend I start looking for housing (I've never done so way in advance and don't quite know how that works).  Would you recommend I go with a broker (I hear it's pretty common on the East Coast).  Thanks!

I believe this policy has been revised to allow pets if you "register" them.  Check with Affiliated Housing to be certain.

well, that's the ridiculous thing - they're grandfathering in pets registered by august 31 (i.e. if you have one you get to keep it, as long as you register) - but ONLY for people whose leases started before april 30, 2007. and no new pets for those people. i understand that's how grandfathering works, but it's still pretty unfair that they're allowing pets while also disallowing them. pet squatters rights have triumphed i guess.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 05, 2007, 12:40:38 PM
Hello all.  Sorry I've been MIA for a while - work's been crazy.  So I've gotta represent the HLS Class of 2011 (so doesn't sound as cool as 2010).  Quick question for all of you who've gone through the off-campus housing search.  I'm going to be living off-campus, with boyfriend and dog.  When would you recommend I start looking for housing (I've never done so way in advance and don't quite know how that works).  Would you recommend I go with a broker (I hear it's pretty common on the East Coast).  Thanks!

I believe this policy has been revised to allow pets if you "register" them.  Check with Affiliated Housing to be certain.

well, that's the ridiculous thing - they're grandfathering in pets registered by august 31 (i.e. if you have one you get to keep it, as long as you register) - but ONLY for people whose leases started before april 30, 2007. and no new pets for those people. i understand that's how grandfathering works, but it's still pretty unfair that they're allowing pets while also disallowing them. pet squatters rights have triumphed i guess.

bingo. assholes.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jd2bee on August 06, 2007, 04:05:03 PM
Hello all.  Sorry I've been MIA for a while - work's been crazy.  So I've gotta represent the HLS Class of 2011 (so doesn't sound as cool as 2010).  Quick question for all of you who've gone through the off-campus housing search.  I'm going to be living off-campus, with boyfriend and dog.  When would you recommend I start looking for housing (I've never done so way in advance and don't quite know how that works).  Would you recommend I go with a broker (I hear it's pretty common on the East Coast).  Thanks!



Jesus god, you're in for it. When I still entertained delusions of getting a dog, I was a craigslist person. You can search for pet-friendly and stuff like that pretty easily. I started looking in May, after I sent my deposit in, and I knew that I was looking for an August 1/August 15 start date. This proved to be the rub, as those are apparently very uncommon dates, and since there's a notification deadline of only 30 or 60 days for most places (I think), there were just not a lot of places that we were able to see in early June, when we went to Cambridge to apt-hunt. That said, a few weeks ago, I was idly CLing (after the bf and I have already settled on a HAH apt) and there looked to be a lot of Aug 1 apts. However, if you can do July 1 or 15th, you won't have a problem looking in June.

OK, now I'm scared :)  It's so hard because I know craiglist never really has stuff too far in advance, but I don't want to be homeless. Arg...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 06, 2007, 06:35:05 PM
I mean, it's miserable looking and you're going to be paying out the ass for something less nice than the rent would get you pretty much anywhere else in the country. But you will not be homeless.

There's a landlord/broker person on CL who had apts in a pet-friendly building across from the law school. You can do a CL search for "Shiro" when you're ready to start looking. He didn't have anything specific when we went up to look or else I probably could've convinced the bf to rent one of his. The apts look very nice in the CL photos. Obviously no guarantees that he'll be around next year, but perhaps something to keep in mind?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: GobBluth on August 07, 2007, 09:32:23 AM
I knew I got into HLS for a reason...my clever sleuthing skills.

We can find out our sections now:

Go to MyHLS

Click on the link for MyPlan (it is at the very very top left corner) (sidenote: you can also get here once you log into your email account)

Click on Login

Enter your UserID/password like you would to enter your email account

Click on Current Students

Click on My Schedule then choose Fall 2007

Tada...your section is after 2007-08.___  So, if you are section 1 it says 2007-08.1, for section 2 you have 2007-08.2, etc.


Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jackietob on August 07, 2007, 09:48:27 AM
I'm in section 3, anyone else?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 07, 2007, 10:05:03 AM
I knew I got into HLS for a reason...my clever sleuthing skills.

We can find out our sections now:

Go to MyHLS

Click on the link for MyPlan (it is at the very very top left corner) (sidenote: you can also get here once you log into your email account)

Click on Login

Enter your UserID/password like you would to enter your email account

Click on Current Students

Click on My Schedule then choose Fall 2007

Tada...your section is after 2007-08.___  So, if you are section 1 it says 2007-08.1, for section 2 you have 2007-08.2, etc.



You are good.  Very good! 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 07, 2007, 10:12:12 AM
Section 4. I hope the profs are as good as bass says
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on August 07, 2007, 10:21:48 AM
Section 2...aka, the all-early section. Should have seen this coming. I'm just going to comfort myself with bass's earlier assurance that this section's profs are worth the crack-of-dawn start times. Anyone else going to be getting up early with me this semester?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 07, 2007, 10:25:58 AM
Section 2...aka, the all-early section. Should have seen this coming. I'm just going to comfort myself with bass's earlier assurance that this section's profs are worth the crack-of-dawn start times. Anyone else going to be getting up early with me this semester?

My earliest class is 10, but I do have class past 4 on most days--which I hate.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 07, 2007, 10:43:29 AM
Section 6 here.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 07, 2007, 10:51:22 AM
Section 2, I can't believe it crappy luck :(
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: mark_darcy on August 07, 2007, 10:51:30 AM
section 6 for me too!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 07, 2007, 11:00:30 AM
Section 2, I can't believe it crappy luck :(

ditto . . . just my luck
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 07, 2007, 11:01:54 AM
Bass, what all do you know about Greiner/Meltzer/Glendon/Goldberg/Triantis/Stephenson.

I know you said they were good, any more details on their teaching style?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on August 07, 2007, 11:09:08 AM
Section 2, I can't believe it crappy luck :(

It's totally because we came out and said we didn't want the early section.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this year will bring on the caffeine addiction that I managed to avoid in undergrad.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 07, 2007, 11:09:47 AM
I've got two visiting profs--Civ Pro and Property. My most-scariest classes. *&^%.

And a pleasant-sounding hello to Mr. Darcy.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 07, 2007, 11:57:53 AM
The section-finding trick doesn't work for me (Firefox and Safari on my Macbook). I can log in to MyPlan, but when I click on "My Schedule," it comes up with a new login page, and I can't get past it. It says "Please Log In before accessing Workflow item H01.WESTS13A." Guess I'll hafta wait...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 07, 2007, 11:59:52 AM
The section-finding trick doesn't work for me (Firefox and Safari on my Macbook). I can log in to MyPlan, but when I click on "My Schedule," it comes up with a new login page, and I can't get past it. It says "Please Log In before accessing Workflow item H01.WESTS13A." Guess I'll hafta wait...

Same thing for me now, must be down.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 07, 2007, 12:01:50 PM
It worked for me in Firefox (this was right after it was first posted).

I wish I had section 4...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jrwatkins on August 07, 2007, 12:03:42 PM
I couldn't access it either. They must have noticed and shut down the access point.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 07, 2007, 12:04:50 PM
Yeah, down now. Maybe there's still hope (they could change the sections around). I doubt it, but whatever...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 07, 2007, 12:37:06 PM
When I click on "current students" I get a greeting that begins,
"Dear Incoming LL.M. Students:

Welcome to Harvard Law School!"

Does everyone get that, or did they make a mistake and put me down as an LLM?

Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jrwatkins on August 07, 2007, 12:41:19 PM
No, I got that too.

Also, looks like now they have removed the buttons for My Schedule etc. from My Plan and Current Students.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 07, 2007, 12:42:57 PM
Looks like we upset someone
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 07, 2007, 12:51:31 PM
Whoopsie.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 07, 2007, 12:55:16 PM
This section-teasing wasn't very nice.   >:(
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 07, 2007, 01:11:08 PM
mabye they will pull a fast one on us and scramble the section assignments.

Here's Hoping.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 07, 2007, 01:22:30 PM
mabye they will pull a fast one on us and scramble the section assignments.

Here's Hoping.

I want section 2.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 07, 2007, 01:23:00 PM
mabye they will pull a fast one on us and scramble the section assignments.

Here's Hoping.

I want section 2.

Too bad they wont let us trade
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 07, 2007, 01:23:11 PM
I hope so, but if it turns out that I get section 2 I'll retract this statement.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 07, 2007, 01:24:11 PM
mabye they will pull a fast one on us and scramble the section assignments.

Here's Hoping.

I want section 2.

Too bad they wont let us trade


We could switch identities.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 07, 2007, 01:33:31 PM
He'd have to remove the "I'm a guy" thing...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 07, 2007, 01:47:41 PM
Bass, what all do you know about Greiner/Meltzer/Glendon/Goldberg/Triantis/Stephenson.

I know you said they were good, any more details on their teaching style?

I was mainly referring to Meltzer, who I can fill in more for.  I can also say a bit about Glendon and Triantis.

Meltzer is, first of all, one of the smartest people you'll ever meet.  I hear he was summa at hls (though I haven't seen that confirmed), which is typically a once-every-10+-years thing.  In any case, he was president of HLR and a Fay diploma winner, and his student note is one of the top 5 most cited student pieces of all time (search Volokh for this).  He wrote THE fedcts casebook and still regularly publishes in the very top journals (HLR, etc.).  Brilliant people say he is off the charts.

As to Meltzer as a prof: you'll quickly learn that he actually cares about the students as people, which is great.  He'll invite you to his house for a bbq at the end of orientation, where you'll meet his wife and have a great time.  In the classroom, he will be a bit intimidating and socratic, though he regularly asks for volunteers and occasionally lectures.  If you have something to say, you can feel comfortable raising your hand to say it, but you better be ready to defend it.  Meltzer has a way of finding  the most complex, unsolvable problems in the law you are covering, and he will make you take sides.  Then he will pick your viewpoints apart.  This is not something to be afraid of, since he doesn't do it in a mean way.  You'll probably enjoy it, and it will get you thinking like a lawyer.

One thing about Meltzer is that he does assign a bit more than the average workload, and he can be rough on people who are unprepared.

You should be ready with justifications for your positions, of which "deterrence," "efficiency," and "personal autonomy" will be good standby answers.  This might not make sense out of context, but you'll see how much sense it makes soon enough.

There are some great old Meltzer outlines that are worth grabbing on HL central.  Also, be careful come exam time to make sure to follow his directions: complete sentences and no abbreviations.

Meltzer is probably the best section leader in terms of bringing in outstanding speakers.  You will be amazed.

Re: Glendon.  We were supposed to have her, but she had to take a last-minute leave.  I can tell you that she has an interesting background (very conservative, worked for the pope or something), and that she will start you out much more on theory than others might (lotsa Locke, etc.).  I hear she's pretty socratic, but that's anecdotal.

Re: Triantis.  I've met him, and he seems like a really nice guy.  One thing that's good about having him for K's is that he is actually doing work in K's (rather than just teaching it).  He has some really novel stuff about innovative contracting.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 07, 2007, 01:50:56 PM
I've got two visiting profs--Civ Pro and Property. My most-scariest classes. *&^%.

And a pleasant-sounding hello to Mr. Darcy.

Civpro has lots of visitors.  It's just a bunch of rules, and if you memorize the rules, you're halfway there.  You can often get old exams and outlines from the visitor's school anyway.  Don't worry too much.  I would recommend Glannon's civpro E&E, of course.

Property is also very rule-based.  I like Dukeminier's Understanding Property in the Lexis series.  Fantastic book.  Visitors are often more black-letter oriented than established profs, which makes thing easier for you (not getting blown away by wacky questions on exams like who owns the moon).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 07, 2007, 02:19:31 PM
Re: Outlines

Are the HLCentral outlines usually pretty good?

EDIT: You had Mann, right?  Where did you get info (outlines, etc..) for him--looks like he was new last year?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 07, 2007, 02:34:27 PM
When I click on "current students" I get a greeting that begins,
"Dear Incoming LL.M. Students:

Welcome to Harvard Law School!"

Does everyone get that, or did they make a mistake and put me down as an LLM?



I'm getting this too . . . and I'm not LLM.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 07, 2007, 03:28:52 PM
Re: Outlines

Are the HLCentral outlines usually pretty good?

EDIT: You had Mann, right?  Where did you get info (outlines, etc..) for him--looks like he was new last year?

I created a wiki for stuff like this last semester, and I posted a bunch of stuff.  You might be interested:

http://hlssection2.pbwiki.com/
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 07, 2007, 03:34:17 PM
Re: Outlines

Are the HLCentral outlines usually pretty good?

EDIT: You had Mann, right?  Where did you get info (outlines, etc..) for him--looks like he was new last year?

I created a wiki for stuff like this last semester, and I posted a bunch of stuff.  You might be interested:

http://hlssection2.pbwiki.com/

Wow, thanks, you rock.  I may have to hit you up for information on Fried in the spring.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 07, 2007, 03:43:29 PM
Re: Outlines

Are the HLCentral outlines usually pretty good?

EDIT: You had Mann, right?  Where did you get info (outlines, etc..) for him--looks like he was new last year?

I created a wiki for stuff like this last semester, and I posted a bunch of stuff.  You might be interested:

http://hlssection2.pbwiki.com/

I'm not sure what section I'm in yet, but thanks for sharing info so freely here!  I hope someone in my section (whatever that may be) is willing to do the same.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on August 07, 2007, 04:11:29 PM
Hey, Pink!  Can't remember if I asked you, but when are you getting back to Boston?


Hey Nat,

Sorry for the late response.  I'm already in Boston, but I'm away for the next week.  I'll def. get in touch when I return.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 07, 2007, 04:12:19 PM
Hey, Pink!  Can't remember if I asked you, but when are you getting back to Boston?


Hey Nat,

Sorry for the late response.  I'm already in Boston, but I'm away for the next week.  I'll def. get in touch when I return.

Sounds great!  Sounds like you'll be back just as I'm getting there, too.  See you soon!  :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 07, 2007, 05:26:39 PM
HL Central has outlines? I thought they were a social group.

Where do you go on campus to find old exams of profs/do students share these pretty frequently?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 07, 2007, 06:02:39 PM
HL Central has outlines? I thought they were a social group.

Where do you go on campus to find old exams of profs/do students share these pretty frequently?

You have to register.

http://www.hlcentral.com/?Outlines
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Jumper on August 07, 2007, 07:45:08 PM
How do you access this MyHLS site?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 07, 2007, 07:46:37 PM
http://myhls.law.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Jumper on August 07, 2007, 07:55:55 PM
Thank you much
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 07, 2007, 08:28:26 PM
Geez, they could have just e-mailed us our sections!  Teases indeed.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: The Gabriel Gray Fan Club on August 08, 2007, 11:43:26 AM
Figures I find the section-finding trick too late. As much as I'd love to have classes with some of those professors, I can't imagine shuffling around campus before 8:00 in the dead of winter. Or the dead of summer, for that matter. :)

Is moving in at the end of the month really cutting it that close? I'm flying into town once the dorms open (28th) and I figure a couple of days gives me time to unpack and freak out before orientation, and the ~week between that and the start of classes should be enough to get situated.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 08, 2007, 12:09:38 PM
Is moving in at the end of the month really cutting it that close?

I think you'll be fine.  There'll be a couple of hundred others doing the same thing!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 08, 2007, 01:03:00 PM
Is moving in at the end of the month really cutting it that close?

I think you'll be fine.  There'll be a couple of hundred others doing the same thing!

I'm on the exact same schedule as deepthought
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 08, 2007, 01:09:48 PM
Is moving in at the end of the month really cutting it that close?

I think you'll be fine.  There'll be a couple of hundred others doing the same thing!

Thirded. Aaaand, I'll be out of the country by the time the section announcements go out, so I'll have a week or less to buy my books and do all the first-day reading. I'm doing my best not to freak out.

Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 08, 2007, 01:13:21 PM
Do we get all our books at the law school bookstore (it seems so small in there to carry books for hundreds of courses)?  And do all the classes typically have 1st day reading assignments?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 08, 2007, 02:47:55 PM
Hi all.  I've been an absentee troll this summer.  I'm going to respond to Bass's comments regarding the professors we shared (living in the midwest has warped his judgment) but first I wanted to give a shout out to whomever has already moved to Cambridge.  I've passed at least two people wearing HLS gear that I assume are 0Ls getting ready for the year.  So if people are bored or need suggestions on where to get things, feel free to send me a PM.  I live between Harvard and Inman but I split my time between there and Davis, where my partner lives (so if you have questions about Somerville, shoot them this way).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jd2bee on August 08, 2007, 03:55:31 PM
Ooh, do either you or your partner have a dog and where would you recommend looking for off-campus housing with a dog?

Thanks!

Also, which do you like better - Davis or Inman, and is it a pain not being right next to campus?

Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 08, 2007, 05:45:22 PM
Is moving in at the end of the month really cutting it that close?

I think you'll be fine.  There'll be a couple of hundred others doing the same thing!

I'm on the exact same schedule as deepthought

Me too.  Thus facilitating our identity switch, if necessary.  :P
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 08, 2007, 07:29:09 PM
If any of you are good with computers, I read on the website they will furnish a copy of office, how do we go about getting that?

Additionally, do I need to do anything to make my computer able to work on the wireless server?

Thanks.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 08, 2007, 08:46:11 PM
The campus network only requires your HUID and PIN for access.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: The Gabriel Gray Fan Club on August 08, 2007, 09:17:27 PM
If any of you are good with computers, I read on the website they will furnish a copy of office, how do we go about getting that?

Additionally, do I need to do anything to make my computer able to work on the wireless server?

Thanks.

From IT's Student Services (http://www.law.harvard.edu/administration/its/students/admit.php) section:

Need a copy of Microsoft Office?  Visit the Student Computer Lab in the basement of Hauser Hall when you arrive on campus to install our Law School sponsored license of Microsoft Office 2003.  These kiosks will be available mid August.  Any questions regarding the Office Initiative can be directed to the Student Help Desk, help@law.harvard.edu or 617 495-9576.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 08, 2007, 11:44:15 PM
If any of you are good with computers, I read on the website they will furnish a copy of office, how do we go about getting that?

Additionally, do I need to do anything to make my computer able to work on the wireless server?

Thanks.

From IT's Student Services (http://www.law.harvard.edu/administration/its/students/admit.php) section:

Need a copy of Microsoft Office?  Visit the Student Computer Lab in the basement of Hauser Hall when you arrive on campus to install our Law School sponsored license of Microsoft Office 2003.  These kiosks will be available mid August.  Any questions regarding the Office Initiative can be directed to the Student Help Desk, help@law.harvard.edu or 617 495-9576.

Nice.  Guess I should have looked around the website some more.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Princessa1 on August 09, 2007, 03:48:06 AM
has anyone figured out yet how the whole buying a computer thing works with your student budget...? somebody said something about them deducting it from your student contribution? does this mean you get that much more aid?

i am currently abroad too and trying to figure everything out from here. not going to be back in the country until the 28th..but it's worth it
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Jumper on August 09, 2007, 10:28:01 AM
Random question, but does anyone know how finals work (what days, weekends, etc)? I know that finals for 1Ls are May 8-14th. I have a wedding in my immediate family on May 10th (in NY, so manageable transportationwise. I'm assuming that's going to be a big problem?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jakes on August 10, 2007, 08:11:01 AM
I also have a wedding to go to during finals. My best friend is getting married on January 13th, which is the last day of finals for first semester. At first I thought I'd be fine, since January 13th is a Sunday, and who in God's name would make me take an exam on a Sunday. But the registrar says that exams may be administered on weekends. Just have to wait and see.
by the way, you all sound like really nice people, and this seems like a really useful thread - I wish I had found it earlier...
Does anyone know what the deal is with purchasing books? when, where, and how much?

 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 10, 2007, 10:15:06 AM
Here are a couple very specific questions about the HLS dorms, for those who've experienced them:


1) I'm in 4th Ames. I like my bedroom to stay pretty cool. Do the windows open up far enough that I should bring one of those skinny window fans? I'm talking about 8-9" here.


2) Do the rooms have overhead lights? I'm bringing two small lamps as-is, but I've also got a collapsible floor lamp I might ship out if there isn't any other artificial light provided.

Thanks!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 10, 2007, 12:24:37 PM
Here are a couple very specific questions about the HLS dorms, for those who've experienced them:


1) I'm in 4th Ames. I like my bedroom to stay pretty cool. Do the windows open up far enough that I should bring one of those skinny window fans? I'm talking about 8-9" here.


2) Do the rooms have overhead lights? I'm bringing two small lamps as-is, but I've also got a collapsible floor lamp I might ship out if there isn't any other artificial light provided.

Thanks!

Ok, granted I've never been inside the dorms, but from walking past them quite a bit I can tell you that the windows only open a very small amount.  It's one of those setups where theres a larger window and then a smaller window to the side that pushes out.  (Read: you're probably going to be a bit hot in September.)  I believe there are overhead lights.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 10, 2007, 12:25:56 PM
Here are a couple very specific questions about the HLS dorms, for those who've experienced them:


1) I'm in 4th Ames. I like my bedroom to stay pretty cool. Do the windows open up far enough that I should bring one of those skinny window fans? I'm talking about 8-9" here.


2) Do the rooms have overhead lights? I'm bringing two small lamps as-is, but I've also got a collapsible floor lamp I might ship out if there isn't any other artificial light provided.

Thanks!

Glad you asked, I'm also on Ames four and wondered about lighting.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 10, 2007, 01:08:25 PM
Section letters are mailed !!  ;D

I got section 4 (no early classes!).  The letter comes from the section leader (Manning, in my case), and gives a little more info about the orientation schedule, including when you'll have your first section meeting, section dinner, dinner with the dean, and mock class.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 10, 2007, 01:09:11 PM
Section letters are mailed !!  ;D

I got section 4 (no early classes!).  The letter comes from the section leader (Manning, in my case), and gives a little more info about the orientation schedule, including when you'll have your first section meeting, section dinner, dinner with the dean, and mock class.

I hate you with a passion :(

Wanna trade sections?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 10, 2007, 01:10:33 PM
not for all the books in the LS library!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 10, 2007, 01:13:39 PM
not for all the books in the LS library!

How about for all the books NOT in the LS library?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 10, 2007, 01:15:28 PM
I don't think I'll ever have time to read another one of those...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 10, 2007, 01:53:01 PM
Section letters are mailed !!  ;D

I got section 4 (no early classes!).  The letter comes from the section leader (Manning, in my case), and gives a little more info about the orientation schedule, including when you'll have your first section meeting, section dinner, dinner with the dean, and mock class.

So where do you live?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on August 10, 2007, 02:33:34 PM
Well, this is unfortunate...my dad and I are leaving to drive to Cambridge at 8 AM tomorrow morning, and it wasn't in our mail this afternoon. Guess I will have to have my parents mail it to me. when they get it.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 10, 2007, 05:40:11 PM
I'm in western Mass, so 1 or possibly 2 mail days from HLS. I'd guess others on the East Coast would get them tomorrow, but then again, maybe not all section leaders mail theirs at the same time?  Has anyone not in section 4 gotten one?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: The Gabriel Gray Fan Club on August 10, 2007, 08:12:50 PM
1) I'm in 4th Ames. I like my bedroom to stay pretty cool. Do the windows open up far enough that I should bring one of those skinny window fans? I'm talking about 8-9" here.

Glad you asked, I'm also on Ames four and wondered about lighting.

Same floor here as well. Cool. :)

Now that section letters have been mailed out, is the information available online? I'm in AZ, so I figure it'll be a few days before I find out.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 11, 2007, 06:32:30 AM
Oh I am so annoyed. Moved yesterday. My parents won't be home until Monday. IRRITATING.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 11, 2007, 08:28:46 AM
Got my section today (well rather my parents did) and I'm in section 6...hope it's a good one!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Denny Crane on August 11, 2007, 08:33:02 AM
Section 6 to be hardest section ever.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 11, 2007, 09:55:07 AM
^^^

*shakes fist, gives evil eye*
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Denny Crane on August 11, 2007, 09:56:16 AM
^^^

*shakes fist, gives evil eye*

 :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 11, 2007, 10:02:14 AM
^^^

*shakes fist, gives evil eye*

 :)

Hehe, does Yale even have sections?;)  Or is it more like a large classroom where everyone works on their own projects and reads extremely dense and intellectual books?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Denny Crane on August 11, 2007, 10:04:08 AM
^^^

*shakes fist, gives evil eye*

 :)

Hehe, does Yale even have sections?;)  Or is it more like a large classroom where everyone works on their own projects and reads extremely dense and intellectual books?

We do have sections (I think 8 or 9 of them), but we don't get our assignments until we arrive on campus for registration.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 11, 2007, 12:23:29 PM
Just got mail today, including a packet from Prof. Meltzer welcoming me to section 2 (no change from what I saw on MyHLS a few days ago).

Now, I've got some alarm clock shopping to do. :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on August 11, 2007, 12:57:09 PM
I got the letter from Prof Manning today, section 4:) So what is the section 4 schedule? I didn't find it on the myplan section of the hls website.


Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 11, 2007, 03:05:43 PM
you need to look under the 2007-2008 course list, for the fall and then the spring.  we'll be torts 4, crim 4, contracts 4, etc.

in the fall, we pretty much start at 10-10:20 each day, and end at between 4 and 445.  contracts and proprty in the spring.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on August 11, 2007, 03:31:04 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 11, 2007, 05:59:30 PM
Do we get all our books at the law school bookstore (it seems so small in there to carry books for hundreds of courses)?  And do all the classes typically have 1st day reading assignments?

1) You may do so, or you may get them elsewhere.  Most 1Ls go to the bookstore, and the bookstore people are ready to fill your basket full of everything you need--you'll just tell them your section.  I had bought the books through online retailers in advance for the most part.  Casebooks are unusually expensive for no reason.

2) Most, I think.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 11, 2007, 06:00:29 PM
has anyone figured out yet how the whole buying a computer thing works with your student budget...? somebody said something about them deducting it from your student contribution? does this mean you get that much more aid?

i am currently abroad too and trying to figure everything out from here. not going to be back in the country until the 28th..but it's worth it

It does deduct from your contribution.  The effect of this depends on the circumstances.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Shark on August 11, 2007, 08:39:04 PM
Does anyone have the link for the suggeted reading list?  I can't seem to find it; maybe it got lost with the J.D. Admissions' site retro-fit.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: virginie dupont on August 11, 2007, 09:09:48 PM
I'm in Section 6, why did someone say it's going to be the most difficult section ever?

How does one know which books to buy for each class? I want to get a head start on purchasing mine from Amazon, but don't want to go through the trouble of returning unnecessary books and such...  :-\
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Denny Crane on August 11, 2007, 09:13:13 PM
I'm in Section 6, why did someone say it's going to be the most difficult section ever?

I was imitating the response of another poster around here who always gives that answer when someone asks about the difficulty of upcoming LSAT exams.  No need to worry (at least not about my comment)  ;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 12, 2007, 08:06:00 AM
I'm in Section 6, why did someone say it's going to be the most difficult section ever?

How does one know which books to buy for each class? I want to get a head start on purchasing mine from Amazon, but don't want to go through the trouble of returning unnecessary books and such...  :-\

Don't worry, section 6 is the best section.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 12, 2007, 11:43:33 AM
Duh.  ;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on August 12, 2007, 05:53:38 PM
So this is my first time on this message board, please excuse my lateness.  I have landed in Section 2, the "early bird special" it seems.  On the bright side, we will get done during the sunlight hours of the day--most of the time. 

I'm going to be in Ames (2nd Floor). Any body else on that floor?  In my Section?  Any takers?  Haha.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 12, 2007, 09:13:07 PM
So this is my first time on this message board, please excuse my lateness.  I have landed in Section 2, the "early bird special" it seems.  On the bright side, we will get done during the sunlight hours of the day--most of the time. 

I'm going to be in Ames (2nd Floor). Any body else on that floor?  In my Section?  Any takers?  Haha.

Ames 4 section two.... does so no, but close.
I'll post when I know which legal writing section.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 12, 2007, 09:48:18 PM
For those unfortunate souls (like myself) in the all-too-early Section 2...

I looked up the visiting professor guy that we're going to have for Torts, John Goldberg, and he seems to be a pretty good teacher.  He normally teaches at Vanderbilt's law school but has been a visiting professor at NYU (which is where he also got his JD). 

It seems like he's a good teacher because he won the Hall-Hartman Teaching Award (which is voted on by the students) four times, and when he was at NYU as a Visiting Prof, he got a 6.8 out of 7.0 for "overall effectiveness in teaching Torts."

Just thought you'd like to know.  Our section leader is a great teacher and Prof Goldberg seems like he'll be pretty good too, so hopefully the rest of them will make our section a really good one.  :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 12, 2007, 09:52:54 PM
Anyone else not get their section assignment over the weekend? What about consistency with the online numbers mentioned earlier? Someone mentioned that theirs was the same - any others care to chime in?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on August 12, 2007, 09:55:49 PM
I hope that we get great professors for getting up that early.  I mean, it's an exchange of sleep hours for teaching quality.  I certainly hope that it works out that way. 

However, I would warn, that there is always going to be one "jerk" of a professor in the bunch.  Almost every HLS alumni that I know has said that there's always one during your ONE L year.

Cheers to getting up early for Civ Pro et al. (or maybe a little fear). 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 12, 2007, 10:14:21 PM
I looked at the faculty evaluations for the other Section 2 professors to see if we had any particularly horrible profs, and from the evaluations that are available, it seems that they're all pretty good.

The only one that didn't have any evals (other than the visiting prof) was Prof. Jim Greiner (Civ Pro), but then I found out why: he's been appointed as an Assistant Professor starting this year!!!  From what is listed in his bio, he hasn't taught anywhere else before, so he'll be completely new.  That's a little bit scary, and I guess it sucks that we won't have any old exams of his to look at (as well as old student outlines for his course).  Grrrrrr. 

Anyways, someone mentioned earlier that there was a way of buying books beforehand: How???  Is there a way that we can get our hands on our book lists before orientation so that we can save some $$$?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on August 12, 2007, 10:30:26 PM
Good Question... Does anyone know that we can get our hands on some book lists beforehand?

Also, to have your first professorial post at HLS is a pretty big deal.  I assume this is brain is immense and that he can give us some very relevant and recent advice. 

He has a PhD in statistics, so he can also speak to the joint degree issue also.  Hopefully he won't take the rational choice perspective on the law--as most numerically gifted professors do--with cost benefit analyses.  I don't see how you can do that in civil procedure, but who am I to say, i'm a lowly one L.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 12, 2007, 11:22:17 PM
Good Question... Does anyone know that we can get our hands on some book lists beforehand?

Also, to have your first professorial post at HLS is a pretty big deal.  I assume this is brain is immense and that he can give us some very relevant and recent advice. 

He has a PhD in statistics, so he can also speak to the joint degree issue also.  Hopefully he won't take the rational choice perspective on the law--as most numerically gifted professors do--with cost benefit analyses.  I don't see how you can do that in civil procedure, but who am I to say, i'm a lowly one L.

His qualifications scare me, I'm afraid of "never taught this, too smart for my students" syndrome, but I've been worrying about a lot lately.

I hope he doesn't do anything goofy with class, if there is any one course I would like to just learn in a traditional way (BLL and not theory heavy) it would be Civ Pro.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 12, 2007, 11:27:47 PM
2 questions for those that have already been through a year:

1.  How long does it normally take for profs to post grades after finals?

2.  Can you apply for 1L summer jobs before you have grades? If so what do you do, just send other info and send grades later, or try to get a job on the strength of the HLS name.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 13, 2007, 12:13:43 AM
2 questions for those that have already been through a year:

1.  How long does it normally take for profs to post grades after finals?

2.  Can you apply for 1L summer jobs before you have grades? If so what do you do, just send other info and send grades later, or try to get a job on the strength of the HLS name.

1) Too long, but much of this is registrar, etc. issues rather than profs taking a long time.  To be fair, though, the profs have an average of like 12,000 pages of 1L exams per class to read and grade.  That's no fun.  I think it was like the second week of February before we got our grades.

2) You can apply 12/1.  Many will get offers before grades.  If you haven't found a job by February--and you would be in the majority in this case--then send your grades when they come in.  You get jobs without grades based on (a) HLS and (b) your pre-law school achievements.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 13, 2007, 12:17:21 AM
Good Question... Does anyone know that we can get our hands on some book lists beforehand?

Also, to have your first professorial post at HLS is a pretty big deal.  I assume this is brain is immense and that he can give us some very relevant and recent advice. 

He has a PhD in statistics, so he can also speak to the joint degree issue also.  Hopefully he won't take the rational choice perspective on the law--as most numerically gifted professors do--with cost benefit analyses.  I don't see how you can do that in civil procedure, but who am I to say, i'm a lowly one L.

His qualifications scare me, I'm afraid of "never taught this, too smart for my students" syndrome, but I've been worrying about a lot lately.

I hope he doesn't do anything goofy with class, if there is any one course I would like to just learn in a traditional way (BLL and not theory heavy) it would be Civ Pro.

I'm with you about this. I googled his name and found the article on the HLS website where it listed his credentials and announced his new position. After reading the article, I'm a little perplexed as to why they've stuck him teaching Civ.Pro. (other than his new status likely leaves him with little discretion). Hopefully he'll just stick to the black letter and we can use commercially available study aids in lieu of old exams/outlines.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 13, 2007, 09:22:09 AM
So about the books...

I called the Dean of Students' Office, and they said that although they don't have the book lists, they do know that the Harvard Co-op for the law school has the lists, and all you do is go there and tell them your section number so that they can find you all the books you'll need for your section.

I called the Co-op for the law school and tried to find out if I could get my hands on the list over the telephone (under the pretense that I needed to know how much each book would cost me so I'd be prepared), but they said that they didn't have that kind of information and didn't know when they'd get it.  I don't know if they caught on to what I was trying to do or if they really don't have the book lists yet, but if anyone is in Cambridge already and has Section 2, then maybe you could tell us what's on our book list?

Please? :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on August 13, 2007, 09:36:23 AM
Well, it's good to know that there are such crafty people in our section Re:  Finding the Books for the section.  I'll check back for updates, hopefully they will come before we wind up in Cambridge. 

Also, it seems that being low man on the totem pole requires that you teach what they tell you to teach.  Then again, he might actually be really enthusiastic about making Civ Pro as easy and accessible as possible to learn.  ...I hope. 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: virginie dupont on August 13, 2007, 09:52:36 AM
If anyone in section 6 knows which books we need please let me know as well. I attempted emailing the guy from the HLS Coop, lets see if he responds.  Otherwise, I checked on www.hlcentral.com to see which books students were selling from last year for my courses.  However, I don't know if that's the best route... 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 13, 2007, 10:20:31 AM
Yeah, I'll second/third/nth the request that people post their section's reading lists here.

I'm about two hours away from heading to the airport for an ill-timed (;)) ten-day vacation, and I still don't know what section I'm in. When I get back, I'm going to have about 36 jet-lagged hours to research my profs, find my booklists, and order my books before flying out to Cambridge. So, I'll be eternally grateful to anyone who helps head off my last-minute freakout...

EDIT: Yay, I just got a call from home -- section 2!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: ant518 on August 13, 2007, 10:21:51 AM
Has anyone outside the states received their section assignment yet? Was the mail fedexed?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: hollowman988 on August 13, 2007, 10:22:30 AM
Has anyone outside the states received their section assignment yet? Was the mail fedexed?

Why would anybody live outside the States?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Denny Crane on August 13, 2007, 10:26:34 AM
Has anyone outside the states received their section assignment yet? Was the mail fedexed?

Why would anybody live outside the States?

poor unfortunate souls.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: ant518 on August 13, 2007, 10:32:48 AM
Has anyone outside the states received their section assignment yet? Was the mail fedexed?

Why would anybody live outside the States?

poor unfortunate souls.

But fortunate that Uncle Sam is going to save us.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: hollowman988 on August 13, 2007, 10:34:19 AM
Has anyone outside the states received their section assignment yet? Was the mail fedexed?

Why would anybody live outside the States?

poor unfortunate souls.

But fortunate that Uncle Sam is going to save us.

Precisely. You'll be happy to know our Big Macs still come in styrofoam containers and have an American flag-topped toothpick to hold the whole thing together.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 13, 2007, 10:35:57 AM
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Has anyone outside the states received their section assignment yet? Was the mail fedexed?

Ant518, I just went to check the package it came in and saw that it was sent First Class, so for at least the ones going out domestically, Harvard didn't use FedEx.  I hope you get your section soon! :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 13, 2007, 11:24:17 AM
Got my stuff today...

Section two, just like it said online. 

Has anybody in section two read the reading materials that were sent for the discussion?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 13, 2007, 11:32:49 AM
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Has anybody in section two read the reading materials that were sent for the discussion?

No, not yet. 

I thought that maybe I'd read the material a little bit closer to the mock class day.  I'll wait at least until I actually get into Cambridge to read it.  It seems pretty "old English" style, which I'm not really looking forward to. 

He did attach a pretty lengthy set of questions that we should "think" about.  Oh...how I wish the list were shorter. :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 13, 2007, 12:53:18 PM
I'll go get the section 6 reading list tomorrow and post it.

Today was ridiculous. The sky opened up on the walk back from the landlord's. Ugh.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 13, 2007, 01:09:40 PM
I'll go get the section 6 reading list tomorrow and post it.

Today was ridiculous. The sky opened up on the walk back from the landlord's. Ugh.

Ouch.  Would not have wanted to be outside during that downpour.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 13, 2007, 01:39:15 PM
It was hot enough out that it was almost funny.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 13, 2007, 01:39:45 PM
I'll go get the section 6 reading list tomorrow and post it.

Today was ridiculous. The sky opened up on the walk back from the landlord's. Ugh.

dash, can we change the icon, tomorrow mine come out :(

Sorry to hear about the rain.

To the section 2 people, are you all planning on attending the reception at the section leader's house?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on August 13, 2007, 03:01:33 PM
I have not done the Section 2 reading yet, but I will be attending the section leader dinner.  I suppose, as much exposure to the professor as possible is a good thing--maybe he can even tell us the secret to his wisdom or something like that. haha.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 13, 2007, 03:31:29 PM
Cassie, I also plan on going to the section leader's BBQ dinner at his house during orientation.  I think that it'll be nice to be with him outside of the normal setting that we'll spend with him for the rest of the year, and it'll be another good opportunity to get to know some fellow Section 2 classmates.  If that doesn't convince you, then maybe the free food will ;).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BlueHeaven07 on August 13, 2007, 03:46:22 PM
My assignment to section 2 was confirmed by mail today. Also, I am definitely planning to go to the dinner at Prof. Meltzer's house, for all of the reasons stated above. :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 13, 2007, 04:40:26 PM
Section 4 here...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: SweetT* on August 13, 2007, 04:51:39 PM
I'm another early bird. This seems to be turning into quite the section 2 thread. Also, planning on attending the dinner, putting off the case reading until closer to classes and investing in one of those MIT hiding alarm clocks.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 13, 2007, 05:31:23 PM
Hey Brit,

Are you on campus yet?  If so, any idea about section 4 reading lists?  If no one's posted them by next week, I'll probably drive in and get them.  Looks like in addition to a late day, we get an easy start in terms of having the hardest profs and classes in the spring.  The downside is that the fall will be almost all unknowns -- one new prof, one new class, one visiting prof.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 13, 2007, 07:30:37 PM
Receptions at a prof's house, ooh la la, aren't we special.;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 13, 2007, 09:06:23 PM
Very YLS.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: berntie on August 13, 2007, 10:05:48 PM
I'm in Section 7.  Anyone else with me?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 13, 2007, 10:09:29 PM
I'm another early bird. This seems to be turning into quite the section 2 thread. Also, planning on attending the dinner, putting off the case reading until closer to classes and investing in one of those MIT hiding alarm clocks.


Section 2, represent!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 13, 2007, 11:18:44 PM
I'm another early bird. This seems to be turning into quite the section 2 thread. Also, planning on attending the dinner, putting off the case reading until closer to classes and investing in one of those MIT hiding alarm clocks.


Section 2, represent!

Darn right!

What are these MIT hiding alarm clocks you speak of?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 14, 2007, 06:02:09 AM
Hey Brit,

Are you on campus yet?  If so, any idea about section 4 reading lists?  If no one's posted them by next week, I'll probably drive in and get them.  Looks like in addition to a late day, we get an easy start in terms of having the hardest profs and classes in the spring.  The downside is that the fall will be almost all unknowns -- one new prof, one new class, one visiting prof.

I am very far from campus, actually.   :D  I'm not moving until August 27.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 14, 2007, 06:20:30 AM
I'm in Section 7.  Anyone else with me?

So close, yet so far.;)  Section 7 also seems very standup though.  I will tell you these things later today though...yay for being roommates and not rambling around this place by  myself anymore!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on August 14, 2007, 08:02:43 AM
You know what they say about numbers, first is the worst, second is the best, third is the one with the... well, you get the point.

Is it a problem if I am really really dreading this morning class thing?  I suppose, it will get us ready for "real life" after law school though. 

What you all going to do with your free afternoons?  Eat?  Nap? Gym?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: SweetT* on August 14, 2007, 08:06:00 AM
I'm another early bird. This seems to be turning into quite the section 2 thread. Also, planning on attending the dinner, putting off the case reading until closer to classes and investing in one of those MIT hiding alarm clocks.


Section 2, represent!

Darn right!

What are these MIT hiding alarm clocks you speak of?

Excessive? Absolutely necessary? Not sure yet.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4559415 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4559415)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on August 14, 2007, 08:15:31 AM
...Perhaps we'll spend that afternoon time looking for our alarm clocks.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 14, 2007, 08:56:16 AM
...Perhaps we'll spend that afternoon time looking for our alarm clocks.

More likely, it will be spent on facebook and feeling guilty about not doing my readings and/or being at the gym.;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 14, 2007, 12:17:39 PM
I'll go get the section 6 reading list tomorrow and post it.

Today was ridiculous. The sky opened up on the walk back from the landlord's. Ugh.

By which I meant I'll get it tomorrow. I went to target and now the coop is closing in like half and hour. Whoopsie.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: virginie dupont on August 14, 2007, 01:49:55 PM
No problemo Dashrashi.  Ugh, I hate when the Boston sky opens up in rain.  Happened to me while visiting a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: leighann on August 15, 2007, 06:43:31 AM
Section 2 here also.  Those am classes are sure to be awful.  Combine those with the fact that I haven't had classes 5 days a week since 1st semester of junior year, and it's sure to be a rough first semester!

I'm anxious about the book lists also so if someone could post it soonish, that'd be perfect.  Also going to the dinner on Friday...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 15, 2007, 07:15:14 AM
OK---so I'm still trying to understand why HLS makes it so difficult for its students to get their book lists earlier.

Do you think it'd be awful if I wrote our Section Leader and asked him if it'd be possible for him to send me the book list (and that I, in turn, would post it on this site and on HL Central for other Section 2 students who might be interested?).

I mean, am I just going crazy now?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 15, 2007, 08:59:08 AM
OK---so I'm still trying to understand why HLS makes it so difficult for its students to get their book lists earlier.

Do you think it'd be awful if I wrote our Section Leader and asked him if it'd be possible for him to send me the book list (and that I, in turn, would post it on this site and on HL Central for other Section 2 students who might be interested?).

I mean, am I just going crazy now?

There is no reason to get your books early other than buying them slightly more cheaply on half.com or wherever.  Relax people.  I'm still trying to find a diplomatic way to provide a strongly differing opinion on Meltzer (grace and restraint not being my strong skills).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 15, 2007, 09:14:32 AM
OK---so I'm still trying to understand why HLS makes it so difficult for its students to get their book lists earlier.

Do you think it'd be awful if I wrote our Section Leader and asked him if it'd be possible for him to send me the book list (and that I, in turn, would post it on this site and on HL Central for other Section 2 students who might be interested?).

I mean, am I just going crazy now?

There is no reason to get your books early other than buying them slightly more cheaply on half.com or wherever.  Relax people.  I'm still trying to find a diplomatic way to provide a strongly differing opinion on Meltzer (grace and restraint not being my strong skills).

Which profs did you have?  I'm interested in any thoughts you have, whether tempered by grace and restraint or not.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 15, 2007, 09:16:12 AM
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There is no reason to get your books early other than buying them slightly more cheaply on half.com or wherever.  Relax people.

Well, seeing as I'm a single mom and my student budget for this year alone is nearly $90,000, saving a little bit of money might be of higher importance to me.  Financially-speaking, I'll have much more to pay back in loans than most students, and I'm trying to take out the minimum amount of loans possible to survive.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 15, 2007, 09:30:42 AM
Which profs did you have?  I'm interested in any thoughts you have, whether tempered by grace and restraint or not.

I had the same profs as Bass, as well as Duncan Kennedy and Jeanne Charn for my elective.  I'm more interested in talking about the relative merits (or in Meltzer's case, lack thereof) of the section leaders.  Bass's opinion is one that I value highly, but as far as comparisons to other section leaders, I really don't know where he gets his information.  Sorry future section 2, but I have bad news.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 15, 2007, 09:32:11 AM
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Sorry future section 2, but I have bad news.

Why, what's wrong with Meltzer and the other Section 2 profs, in your opinion?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 15, 2007, 10:38:53 AM
Spaulding, come talk *&^% with us.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 15, 2007, 10:40:29 AM
Spaulding, come talk *&^% with us.

Exactly.  No one's *&^% is more incisive (or amusing) than Spaulding's...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Jumper on August 15, 2007, 11:46:01 AM
Any insights into Section 3's professors?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 15, 2007, 11:56:01 AM
Did you guys get locker assignments today? N-105 here.  Any neighbors?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 15, 2007, 12:49:48 PM
Lockers are for off campus students only right?


I was looking through the old pages and I cant find the HL central link, can somebody post it.

Sorry, very lazy and drugged up atm.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 15, 2007, 12:52:07 PM
Oh, yeah, maybe you're right about the lockers.  I guess you wouldn't need one if you live right there...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 15, 2007, 12:59:58 PM
Oh, yeah, maybe you're right about the lockers.  I guess you wouldn't need one if you live right there...

I'm pretty sure they are for off-campus and North Hall residents only. I'm still waiting to receive my assignment, although I just confirmed my off-campus address w/ DOS yesterday.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 15, 2007, 01:06:13 PM
Spaulding, come talk *&^% with us.

I'm extra grumpy because I'm badly sunburned and I always feel stupid when that happens.  I mean, it's not like this doesn't always happen to me and yet somehow I never put on enough suntan lotion.  So here goes.

I have a lot of respect for Dan Meltzer but not as a section leader.  There aren't nice ways to say some of the things that I'm going to say, but in short he's a dedicated administrator with limited capabilities for understanding his students.  He's quite bright and a capable teacher but I don't know a single person in my section who is dying to take another course with him, let alone feels close to him or wants to be his RA.  Comparing these sentiments to what students feel about Martha Minnow, Randall Kennedy, Jon Hanson, David Barron, or Liz Warren is embarassing.  All of those listed are equally accomplished if not moreso and were significantly closer to their section.  Those section leaders are young professors producing incredible scholarship on par with (or surpassing) Meltzer's and yet it seems they do a better job of being a section leader.

It's unclear to me why Meltzer remains a section leader other than his willingness to give everything he has to the school.  It's true, Meltzer loves HLS and probably does more for it than any other professor (the section model was his idea, he chaired the new building process, etc).  His dedication is admirable and I have nothing to say that would mitigate it.  I wonder if he's a section leader because he feels it's the right thing to do, not necessarily because he's good at it.  Apparently, when he first started teaching, students would leave his Crim Law class in tears because of his obtuseness (as opposed to Dersh's aggressive insensitivity).  He's learned to handle a classroom better but not a section and I feel that obtuseness defines his leadership.  I can't think of any time I would now turn to him for advice or for assistance beyond a recommendation letter for Crim and I don't think my experience is an outlier for Section 2.  Yet Section 2 was an outlier for the rest of the 1L class in this regard.  He's great at programming and brings in speakers, but not at connecting with people or understanding his students.  Anyone who took him up on his offer to go to lunch knows what I'm getting here.  If Dan Meltzer wasn't a section leader, and had just taught me Crim, I'd be insisting that he's a great teacher.  Personally, I would have been fine having Minnow, Hanson, Warren, Kennedy, or Barron.  Hell, I would have taken Linda Krieger or Bruce Mann over him, despite the fact that they knew nothing about HLS.  I think Bass liked him because there wasn't a lot of hand-holding.  I think what might surprise him is that there wasn't any hand-holding anywhere else, but that section leaders formed relationships with their students.

DISCLAIMER:  So I have, well, a somewhat special relationship with Meltzer in that he and I had a fairly substantial disagreement over the course of the year.  Every time we met, I just felt more and more alienated and upset by him.  Perhaps not everyone who was in the same boat as I was felt this way, but Meltzer effectively divided-and-conquered and made it nearly impossible for the affected students to talk to each other or him about it.  Although unintentional, it was a pretty dispicable thing for anyone to do and the fact that he was a section leader made it so there was nobody to whom I could turn.  Even now I'm using code words.  I'm not anonymous on this board and wouldn't be surprised if some of this gets back to him.  He knows that he screwed up this situation and while we may never see eye-to-eye, I'm sure he can better interpret this post in light of what happened.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 15, 2007, 01:40:56 PM
Rawther diplomatic, I thought, considering.

Selfishly glad that you think Hanson's a good section leader.

As promised, section 6's fall reading list, as best as I can reproduce. It was a little confusing.

We are taking:

CivPro with Frost:
The Subrin/Minow Civpro casebook
The "Casenote Legal Briefs" for Subrin ETA: this may be optional, but was on the shelf.
Federal Rules of CivPro ETA: I think this is also Subrin?

Crim with Weinreb:
Weinreb Criminal Law casebook
Weinreb's Leading Constitutional Cases on Criminal Justice

Legislation with Tushnet:
Heinzerling and Tushnet, The Regulatory and Administrative State
I believe a book called "Legislation and Regulation," also by Tushnet, but I'm having trouble locating it so I may have written some part of it down incorrectly

Torts with Hanson:
Apparently he doesn't use textbooks. There will be lots of handouts (a course packet), but they aren't ready yet.

Also, the guy at the coop told me that 1Ls all get Bronsteen's Writing A Legal Memo, and the Bluebook.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 15, 2007, 01:43:47 PM
 :-[ How much did it set you back?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 15, 2007, 01:44:59 PM
Is this the coop on the law school campus or the one in the square?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 15, 2007, 01:46:20 PM
law school coop, and I didn't buy anything. The guy said most people look the first time they come because the registrar is not so good about sending out book lists. I'ma check half.com first. There were still a bunch of used copies there if I feel like going back this week.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 15, 2007, 01:47:37 PM
law school coop, and I didn't buy anything. The guy said most people look the first time they come because the registrar is not so good about sending out book lists. I'ma check half.com first. There were still a bunch of used copies there if I feel like going back this week.

Did they have actual lists or did you need someone to show you around and write it down?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 15, 2007, 01:52:01 PM
Selfishly glad that you think Hanson's a good section leader.

Hanson is awesome.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 15, 2007, 01:55:57 PM
law school coop, and I didn't buy anything. The guy said most people look the first time they come because the registrar is not so good about sending out book lists. I'ma check half.com first. There were still a bunch of used copies there if I feel like going back this week.

Did they have actual lists or did you need someone to show you around and write it down?

No lists to take home. Yes lists attached to the shelves, which were confusingly laid out.

Selfishly glad that you think Hanson's a good section leader.

Hanson is awesome.

Woot! Good luck with your sunburn. I recommend solarcaine with aloe.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 15, 2007, 01:57:46 PM
Thanks, Dash!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 15, 2007, 02:06:29 PM
What were the approximate prices of the casebooks, if you remember? The books for my section are a little different, but I assume for a given subject the pricing will be similar... I'm not in Cambridge at the moment and I'm trying to decide if there would be enough savings to justify ordering online.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: virginie dupont on August 15, 2007, 02:15:54 PM
Thanks for the Reading list Dash!  I dont know if to buy online, because I'm not in Cambridge yet, but maybe will be when the books arrive...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jrwatkins on August 15, 2007, 03:15:29 PM
Can you elaborate on Hanson? I'm in Section 6 and trying to get a feel on the guy. I hear he is somewhat untraditional in his approach. Thanks
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 15, 2007, 04:37:38 PM
I didn't even look at the prices, to tell you the truth. I was so clearly the clueless 0L and the jokes were flying past my head between the employees with such a quickness that I didn't want to ask any questions or even touch anything. Sorry!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 15, 2007, 04:43:02 PM
Cassie, I looked at dash's avatar and it reminded me of you.

Have they pulled them out yet?  If so, how'd it go?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 15, 2007, 06:45:32 PM
dash - don't worry... I'm sure the general answer would be/is 'expensive,' so the specifics don't matter that much.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 15, 2007, 06:49:20 PM
I didn't even look at the prices, to tell you the truth. I was so clearly the clueless 0L and the jokes were flying past my head between the employees with such a quickness that I didn't want to ask any questions or even touch anything. Sorry!

I also checked out the books today, and it really was not straightforward what we needed and what we didn't.  Also, there were no prices on the books, nor were they really willing to tell you what the prices were.  Moral: don't worry about not having your textbooks.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on August 15, 2007, 07:09:45 PM
Spaulding, come talk *&^% with us.

I'm extra grumpy because I'm badly sunburned and I always feel stupid when that happens.  I mean, it's not like this doesn't always happen to me and yet somehow I never put on enough suntan lotion.  So here goes.

I have a lot of respect for Dan Meltzer but not as a section leader.  There aren't nice ways to say some of the things that I'm going to say, but in short he's a dedicated administrator with limited capabilities for understanding his students.  He's quite bright and a capable teacher but I don't know a single person in my section who is dying to take another course with him, let alone feels close to him or wants to be his RA.  Comparing these sentiments to what students feel about Martha Minnow, Randall Kennedy, Jon Hanson, David Barron, or Liz Warren is embarassing.  All of those listed are equally accomplished if not moreso and were significantly closer to their section.  Those section leaders are young professors producing incredible scholarship on par with (or surpassing) Meltzer's and yet it seems they do a better job of being a section leader.

It's unclear to me why Meltzer remains a section leader other than his willingness to give everything he has to the school.  It's true, Meltzer loves HLS and probably does more for it than any other professor (the section model was his idea, he chaired the new building process, etc).  His dedication is admirable and I have nothing to say that would mitigate it.  I wonder if he's a section leader because he feels it's the right thing to do, not necessarily because he's good at it.  Apparently, when he first started teaching, students would leave his Crim Law class in tears because of his obtuseness (as opposed to Dersh's aggressive insensitivity).  He's learned to handle a classroom better but not a section and I feel that obtuseness defines his leadership.  I can't think of any time I would now turn to him for advice or for assistance beyond a recommendation letter for Crim and I don't think my experience is an outlier for Section 2.  Yet Section 2 was an outlier for the rest of the 1L class in this regard.  He's great at programming and brings in speakers, but not at connecting with people or understanding his students.  Anyone who took him up on his offer to go to lunch knows what I'm getting here.  If Dan Meltzer wasn't a section leader, and had just taught me Crim, I'd be insisting that he's a great teacher.  Personally, I would have been fine having Minnow, Hanson, Warren, Kennedy, or Barron.  Hell, I would have taken Linda Krieger or Bruce Mann over him, despite the fact that they knew nothing about HLS.  I think Bass liked him because there wasn't a lot of hand-holding.  I think what might surprise him is that there wasn't any hand-holding anywhere else, but that section leaders formed relationships with their students.

DISCLAIMER:  So I have, well, a somewhat special relationship with Meltzer in that he and I had a fairly substantial disagreement over the course of the year.  Every time we met, I just felt more and more alienated and upset by him.  Perhaps not everyone who was in the same boat as I was felt this way, but Meltzer effectively divided-and-conquered and made it nearly impossible for the affected students to talk to each other or him about it.  Although unintentional, it was a pretty dispicable thing for anyone to do and the fact that he was a section leader made it so there was nobody to whom I could turn.  Even now I'm using code words.  I'm not anonymous on this board and wouldn't be surprised if some of this gets back to him.  He knows that he screwed up this situation and while we may never see eye-to-eye, I'm sure he can better interpret this post in light of what happened.

I don't disagree with a lot of what H4CS has to say here; I was just attacking it from a different angle.  Meltzer's interpersonal warmth is not his greatest strength.  I wasn't looking for that exactly, though I would have been thrilled to have found a great mentor 1L year.

I will repeat that he's a well-liked prof and brings in excellent speakers.  I don't think Spaulding and I are that far apart.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: road on August 15, 2007, 07:48:49 PM
I got section 1.

We're the section assignments random or is there some reasoning behind them?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 15, 2007, 07:51:24 PM
We were classified according to our expected level of success in law school :D
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: road on August 15, 2007, 07:59:12 PM
I looked at the faculty evaluations for the other Section 2 professors to see if we had any particularly horrible profs, and from the evaluations that are available, it seems that they're all pretty good.

The only one that didn't have any evals (other than the visiting prof) was Prof. Jim Greiner (Civ Pro), but then I found out why: he's been appointed as an Assistant Professor starting this year!!!  From what is listed in his bio, he hasn't taught anywhere else before, so he'll be completely new.  That's a little bit scary, and I guess it sucks that we won't have any old exams of his to look at (as well as old student outlines for his course).  Grrrrrr. 

Anyways, someone mentioned earlier that there was a way of buying books beforehand: How???  Is there a way that we can get our hands on our book lists before orientation so that we can save some $$$?

Where do you find the faculty evals?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 15, 2007, 08:06:22 PM
https://internal.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/bsa/pubs/
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 15, 2007, 08:26:15 PM
Whatever happened to the 2nd class that they were going to add this year? (I think the international law related one)

Is everyone going to register for that class during orientation?  If so, does that mean that the courses will be section mixes?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 15, 2007, 08:30:50 PM
Whatever happened to the 2nd class that they were going to add this year? (I think the international law related one)

Is everyone going to register for that class during orientation?  If so, does that mean that the courses will be section mixes?

Spring
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 15, 2007, 08:50:58 PM
I got section 1.

We're the section assignments random or is there some reasoning behind them?

Sort of funny: my mom asked me whether they had Hanson be my section leader because he went to Yale too, and so we would have what to talk about I guess. I had to tell her that a whole hell of a lot of the law school profs went to YLS.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on August 15, 2007, 09:55:14 PM
So... after reading the Meltzer ratings on the HLS site he seems to:

1.  Holds class in the traditional 'no pass' Socratic method;
2.  Make kids cry (at least in the past);
3.  Assign a heavy amount of reading, slightly if not very much so, above other similar    crim law classes;
4.  Condescend to his students if they get an answer "wrong;"
5.  Brilliant, yet cold and unwilling to bring an issue down to his students.

True?  Not?  Any additions? Subtractions?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 15, 2007, 10:16:04 PM
I'm not sure about Meltzer anymore, and I hope I'm pleasantly surprised when I finally meet him/attend his classes.

The thing that worries me is that he seems to give out a lot of work.  Lots of his students said that they thought he should use the same material and spread it over 2 semesters.  That's seems like a red flag to me.  I really hope he cuts down on his syllabus.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 15, 2007, 10:23:31 PM
I'm confused about one thing. 

Before (around ASW), the administration was saying that it was going to make the certain that the profs cut down their course material in order to fit the two new courses (legislation & regulation / international).  It seems from what I've read on this forum, though, that both new classes are being added in the Spring (correct me if I'm wrong).

Does that mean that our 1st semester will be exactly the same as previous years' 1st semesters? (in which case the profs won't have to cut down on anything?)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 15, 2007, 10:47:49 PM
Section 6 has got Legislation in the fall. I didn't peruse the other course listings, except to thank my lucky stars I wasn't in the section (2? I think) that had property and contracts both in the fall.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 16, 2007, 05:34:34 AM
sec 4 has legislation in the fall too.  it looks like every section has two classes in the spring, and that its pretty much random (except we all have civpro in the fall-is that a full year course?) so all the main classes should be cut down in terms of workload.  I'm skeptical that we'll actually have the intl law class-they're not listed on the spring course list. If we do, tho, i think the plan was to offer 3-5 topics, and let us pick, so they would be mixed section.

I'd think they'd try to randomize section assignments to give the same sort of diversity mix as the LS in general -- gender, race, nontrad, etc. -- but that's just my guess.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 16, 2007, 06:22:54 AM
So... after reading the Meltzer ratings on the HLS site he seems to:

1.  Holds class in the traditional 'no pass' Socratic method;
2.  Make kids cry (at least in the past);
3.  Assign a heavy amount of reading, slightly if not very much so, above other similar    crim law classes;
4.  Condescend to his students if they get an answer "wrong;"
5.  Brilliant, yet cold and unwilling to bring an issue down to his students.

True?  Not?  Any additions? Subtractions?

I don't think this is true.  He's not particularly socratic, I can't imagine kids crying these days (he's learned as is much better), the reading isn't crazy, all professors are condescending, and I don't know how you bring an issue down.

Also, people might be surprised by things like property, contracts, or torts, which they think they'll hate.  I ended up loving property because of the professor, who was awesome.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on August 16, 2007, 06:58:30 AM
So... after reading the Meltzer ratings on the HLS site he seems to:

1.  Holds class in the traditional 'no pass' Socratic method;
2.  Make kids cry (at least in the past);
3.  Assign a heavy amount of reading, slightly if not very much so, above other similar    crim law classes;
4.  Condescend to his students if they get an answer "wrong;"
5.  Brilliant, yet cold and unwilling to bring an issue down to his students.

True?  Not?  Any additions? Subtractions?

I don't think this is true.  He's not particularly socratic, I can't imagine kids crying these days (he's learned as is much better), the reading isn't crazy, all professors are condescending, and I don't know how you bring an issue down.

Also, people might be surprised by things like property, contracts, or torts, which they think they'll hate.  I ended up loving property because of the professor, who was awesome.


Alright, maybe I was a bit harsh in my reading of the student evaluations.  Thanks for the calm down.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jackietob on August 16, 2007, 08:55:23 AM
I'm in section 3 and am a little freaked out about our fall schedule, (civ pro with Rubenstein, K's with Mnookin, property with Singer, and Leg/Reg with Vermuele.) Anyone know anything about these profs? I'm glad to hear that property and contracts won't necessarily be the most difficult.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 16, 2007, 09:04:40 AM
Mnookin does all the negotiation stuff I think. From what I hear he's quite good at that.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 16, 2007, 10:50:50 AM
Dash, how's the moving in going?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 16, 2007, 01:37:33 PM
Slow and steady. Picking up a desk tonight. The bf sort of picked it out.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 16, 2007, 05:40:22 PM
Not sure if this has already been posted, but here are the book lists"

http://www.law.harvard.edu/academics/registrar/2007-08/welcome1L/menu1L.php (http://www.law.harvard.edu/academics/registrar/2007-08/welcome1L/menu1L.php)

Enjoy!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 16, 2007, 07:52:43 PM
I'm in section 3 and am a little freaked out about our fall schedule, (civ pro with Rubenstein, K's with Mnookin, property with Singer, and Leg/Reg with Vermuele.) Anyone know anything about these profs? I'm glad to hear that property and contracts won't necessarily be the most difficult.

This is a great group of professors and there's no reason to be freaked out.

Bill Rubenstein just joined from UCLA.  He's one of the leading gay rights lawyers in the country and is apparently spectacular at CivPro.  Singer is fabulous, does great clinical work and people who had him for Property loved him last year.  Vermuele is a young hotshot and is doing great research these days and Mnookin is the head of the negotiation program and my 3L friends who had him loved him.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 18, 2007, 12:36:36 PM
Question about these term bills: Like almost everyone else, I'm sure, I have a big bunch o' loans for 1L. I applied for them (Stafford and GradPlus) in June, heard back from MEFA in the affirmative, and assumed everything was hunky-dory. When the July term bill came and the loans weren't in the "received" column yet, I assumed they'd show up next month. Well, they haven't -- they're still under "Anticipated Credits," so my account still shows a five-figure balance. On the other hand, it says I have $0.00 due.

Is anyone else having this problem? Especially anyone who's borrowing with MEFA... I'm at a hostel in Prague right now and the AMSA clearinghouse site is down, so if there is a problem I'll have to wait until I'm in Boston to try to fix it. Ugh.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 18, 2007, 12:44:15 PM
I think you're fine. They haven't been disbursed yet, so technically still count as anticipated.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 18, 2007, 01:51:45 PM
I think they don't disburse until the 5th? Or did I dream this?

@#!* ALL THIS MONEY *&^%.

Ahem. Sorry.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 18, 2007, 04:30:48 PM
So I have a hot pink bike and matching helmet if any 1Ls want one.  My partner tried to sell it on Craigslist for $100 but both buyers ended up flaking at the last minute.  The price is the same for helmet, bike, and lock.  It's in good shape.  PM me in the next few days or I'll relist it on Craigslist.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Judge Elihu Smails on August 18, 2007, 11:31:55 PM
So I have a hot pink bike and matching helmet if any 1Ls want one.  My partner tried to sell it on Craigslist for $100 but both buyers ended up flaking at the last minute.  The price is the same for helmet, bike, and lock.  It's in good shape.  PM me in the next few days or I'll relist it on Craigslist.


Isn't that a little stereotypical queerbait?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 19, 2007, 06:53:10 AM
Gothefuckaway.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: virginie dupont on August 19, 2007, 10:45:46 AM
I have an additional loan from MEFA too and the fin aid office told me everything was set, but this month's bill is showing a balance less these additional loans.  I really hope everything will be settled by the time the disbursement checks are given. I read somewhere they were to be given out August 30th during registration.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 20, 2007, 02:29:58 AM
I have an additional loan from MEFA too and the fin aid office told me everything was set, but this month's bill is showing a balance less these additional loans.  I really hope everything will be settled by the time the disbursement checks are given. I read somewhere they were to be given out August 30th during registration.

Yep, that's my situation exactly. I think the Fin Aid office hasn't been made aware of my GradPLUS loan with MEFA, even though I filled out the online form. Probably have to sort it out during orientation...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 20, 2007, 11:39:35 AM
I wonder what steps the administration could actually take to get profs to scale back their coursework to match the credit decrease.

Something tells me that there isn't going to be 20 percent less work in each of the old classes.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: icequeen on August 20, 2007, 11:53:56 AM
I wonder what steps the administration could actually take to get profs to scale back their coursework to match the credit decrease.

Something tells me that there isn't going to be 20 percent less work in each of the old classes.

We're definitely going to do a lot more work than previous 1L classes.  Glad someone else realized this
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 20, 2007, 12:02:34 PM
I wonder what steps the administration could actually take to get profs to scale back their coursework to match the credit decrease.

Something tells me that there isn't going to be 20 percent less work in each of the old classes.

We're definitely going to do a lot more work than previous 1L classes.  Glad someone else realized this

Perhaps, but 1L isn't as much work as people make it out to be.  Especially at HLS, which really gives you lots of time to pursue organizations, journals, you name it.  As far as I could tell, HLS gave out less work then any of its peer schools.  But yeah, you very well may have more.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 20, 2007, 12:14:03 PM
H4CS,

a couple questions about schedules as I plan my childcare for the year.  Are weekly section leader meetings required?  Does anything important happen there?

what about legal research/writing?  does it always meet each week?

and lastly, is civpro a full year class, or do they all just go 1 semester?

thanks
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 20, 2007, 12:23:30 PM
a couple questions about schedules as I plan my childcare for the year.  Are weekly section leader meetings required?  Does anything important happen there?

That's highly dependent on the section leader.  For my section, we had almost none of these second semester and only intermittently in the first semester. Some section leaders have them much more frequently and use the time better than mine did.  I would expect them to be required for at least a month and then occur with decreasing frequency and with decreasing obligation.  It would be a mistake to assume you will never have to go.

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what about legal research/writing?  does it always meet each week?


Pretty much, except when you have a week to work on an assignment. I went less and less second semester, but regret doing so.

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and lastly, is civpro a full year class, or do they all just go 1 semester?

One semester.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 20, 2007, 12:41:46 PM
thanks again!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 20, 2007, 01:58:45 PM
what types of things happen during the weekly section leader section?

Anybody that can offer some input would be appreciated, anythign specific to section 2 even moreso.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: katluva33 on August 20, 2007, 02:30:13 PM
H4CS,

When do 1L exam review sessions usually take place?  Plane tickets for Dec/Jan are cheap right now and I'm hoping to get a good rate but don't want to skip town during review times.

Thanks!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 20, 2007, 03:02:38 PM
what types of things happen during the weekly section leader section?

Anybody that can offer some input would be appreciated, anythign specific to section 2 even moreso.

More often than not Meltzer brings in other faculty or guest speakers to give advice/take questions.  We had some great speakers this year (he's buddies with the CEO of the Red Sox from their days at Williams & Connolly).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 20, 2007, 03:20:27 PM
H4CS,

When do 1L exam review sessions usually take place?  Plane tickets for Dec/Jan are cheap right now and I'm hoping to get a good rate but don't want to skip town during review times.

Thanks!

OOOH!  Great question.  Way to think ahead, katluva.  I need to know this as well.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 20, 2007, 03:29:08 PM
H4CS,

When do 1L exam review sessions usually take place?  Plane tickets for Dec/Jan are cheap right now and I'm hoping to get a good rate but don't want to skip town during review times.

Thanks!

OOOH!  Great question.  Way to think ahead, katluva.  I need to know this as well.

Sorry, there's no answer to this as its professor-specific and unpredictable.  Some professors will review a day or two before exams, others will do it the last day of classes.  I stayed in Cambridge all break (I grew up around here) and I don't remember having any review sessions between the last day of classes and a few days before exams.  Then again, your professors may have different styles.  Most will audiotape the review session or conduct it via emails, so I wouldn't worry too much.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 21, 2007, 08:21:11 AM
I don't know if you'd know this H4CS, but perhaps you could speculate.  I have Weinreb from Criminal, and one of the required texts is Weinreb, Leading Constitutional Cases on Criminal Justice  (2007 ed), in addition to his regular text.  Now, the 2007 ed. costs probably $60 but you can get an addition from 2006 for like $20 maybe $3 for 2005.  Do you think it would make that much difference?  Could I get the cheaper edition and maybe borrow a friends if there are some different cases, or would it be totally different?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 21, 2007, 08:24:43 AM
I don't know if you'd know this H4CS, but perhaps you could speculate.  I have Weinreb from Criminal, and one of the required texts is Weinreb, Leading Constitutional Cases on Criminal Justice  (2007 ed), in addition to his regular text.  Now, the 2007 ed. costs probably $60 but you can get an addition from 2006 for like $20 maybe $3 for 2005.  Do you think it would make that much difference?  Could I get the cheaper edition and maybe borrow a friends if there are some different cases, or would it be totally different?

I had a few friends try this stuff.  It's hard to know w/o the books in front of me.  The main challenge is not missing cases or different notes but different pagination.  It got frustrating to some when assignments are just given by # and not by case name.  I wouldn't sweat it, it's probably minor.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 21, 2007, 08:34:28 AM
I don't know if you'd know this H4CS, but perhaps you could speculate.  I have Weinreb from Criminal, and one of the required texts is Weinreb, Leading Constitutional Cases on Criminal Justice  (2007 ed), in addition to his regular text.  Now, the 2007 ed. costs probably $60 but you can get an addition from 2006 for like $20 maybe $3 for 2005.  Do you think it would make that much difference?  Could I get the cheaper edition and maybe borrow a friends if there are some different cases, or would it be totally different?

I had a few friends try this stuff.  It's hard to know w/o the books in front of me.  The main challenge is not missing cases or different notes but different pagination.  It got frustrating to some when assignments are just given by # and not by case name.  I wouldn't sweat it, it's probably minor.

Thanks for the quick reply.  I'll mull it over.:)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 21, 2007, 11:40:55 AM
I realize this is completely asking somebody else to do some work, but if anybody has a little free time, a list of which posters are in which section would be kinda nifty (I confess I just wanted to write a post that included the word "nifty")
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on August 21, 2007, 12:59:32 PM
ok, finally back from my vac... so I'm in Section 7, any section mates on the board?  I'm in Cambridge now, so all you locals can hit me up... may be all those local can hit the Kong this weekend?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 21, 2007, 06:53:57 PM
ok, finally back from my vac... so I'm in Section 7, any section mates on the board?  I'm in Cambridge now, so all you locals can hit me up... may be all those local can hit the Kong this weekend?


Join the Facebook group, and you'll find plenty of section mates.  Also, glad you're back!  Yay.  You need to come see my new place.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: virginie dupont on August 22, 2007, 07:59:14 PM
Electric Counterpoint, make sure you sign the electronic MEFA Gradplus MPN.  I think that's what my issue was, but according to the finaid office everything's all settled now.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 22, 2007, 08:20:56 PM
may be all those local can hit the Kong this weekend?

Oh please no.

Don't want us to crash your party?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 22, 2007, 08:35:05 PM
3rd floor my butt. You know you can't get enough of those Scorpion Bowls.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 22, 2007, 08:41:41 PM
In idle jokes, much truth lies.

/yoda
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 22, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
Accidental comedy?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: stjobs on August 22, 2007, 09:01:41 PM
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Electric Counterpoint, make sure you sign the electronic MEFA Gradplus MPN.

Is the timing for these different (if you use a private lender) than for Stafford loans? I ask because I haven't had to sign the MPN for my Stafford.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: virginie dupont on August 23, 2007, 07:32:14 AM
I did my Stafford loan through MEFA too and I believe I had to sign an MPN for that one too. As long as your loan amounts are showing up on your term bill everything should be accounted for though.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on August 23, 2007, 02:24:00 PM
ok, finally back from my vac... so I'm in Section 7, any section mates on the board?  I'm in Cambridge now, so all you locals can hit me up... may be all those local can hit the Kong this weekend?


Join the Facebook group, and you'll find plenty of section mates.  Also, glad you're back!  Yay.  You need to come see my new place.

already did (re FB) but it's time I checked in.  Also check you PMs re meeting up this weekend  :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: virginie dupont on August 23, 2007, 02:37:14 PM
I was wondering if anyone was signing up for the Harvard Dental plan. If so, do you know what services they have.  Do they they do orthodontics  ???  I don't want to be a lawyer with crooked teeth lol. 
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 23, 2007, 11:12:04 PM
Less than a week till orientation....
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 24, 2007, 12:36:22 AM
Less than a week till orientation....

I know!  Can you believe it?!?!?!  (Also, why are we posting at such ridiculous hours?  I have a feeling this will stop once the work kicks in.   :))
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 24, 2007, 12:21:50 PM
Less than a week till orientation....

I know!  Can you believe it?!?!?!  (Also, why are we posting at such ridiculous hours?  I have a feeling this will stop once the work kicks in.   :))

I think being in the alarm clock central section will keep my posting from occuring this late at night.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 24, 2007, 02:32:35 PM
Less than a week till orientation....

I know!  Can you believe it?!?!?!  (Also, why are we posting at such ridiculous hours?  I have a feeling this will stop once the work kicks in.   :))

I think being in the alarm clock central section will keep my posting from occuring this late at night.

 :D
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Jumper on August 24, 2007, 03:14:46 PM
To all Yankee fans here, is there no way to get the games? I have comcast service and they said Yankee games would not be included in the Extra Innings package (or whatever it's called). Sad.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 25, 2007, 11:59:02 AM
To all Yankee fans here, is there no way to get the games? I have comcast service and they said Yankee games would not be included in the Extra Innings package (or whatever it's called). Sad.

Such is the life of a New England Yankees fan, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Jumper on August 26, 2007, 02:25:04 PM
Should we have received our student IDs yet? Where/when do we get those guys?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 26, 2007, 02:33:44 PM
Should we have received our student IDs yet? Where/when do we get those guys?

Those come at orientation, I think on the 30th.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 26, 2007, 10:07:11 PM
T-3 days and counting!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 26, 2007, 10:17:31 PM
I fly out in like 30 hours....

Dunno if that is good or bad.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 26, 2007, 10:18:46 PM
I fly out in like 30 hours....

Dunno if that is good or bad.

I leave my house to go to the airport in less than three hours.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Saja on August 27, 2007, 07:41:09 AM
How goes it at CLS?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on August 27, 2007, 04:40:33 PM
Move to New York where all the cool people go to law school.

 :P

Co-signed.

x3

How goes it at CLS?

it's good...especially since me and Inspector are in the best section, aka camp law school
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 27, 2007, 09:58:28 PM
Not enough money on the planet to get me to go to school or work in NYC.

Fly out in 10 hours.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on August 29, 2007, 09:07:03 AM
So do other sections have this ban on laptops in class or is it only section 7?  So far, Torts, Civ. Pro, Contracts, and LRW have all banned use of laptops in class (well, LRW allows use for in-class assignments).  No word on Admin law yet, but this appears to be a general "rule" for section 7|

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Laptop policy
Pursuant to the Section 7 policy, we will not use laptops during lecture/discussion periods.  But you may use your laptop for in-class writing and research exercises.



Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 29, 2007, 09:14:19 AM
So do other sections have this ban on laptops in class or is it only section 7?  So far, Torts, Civ. Pro, Contracts, and LRW have all banned use of laptops in class (well, LRW allows use for in-class assignments).  No word on Admin law yet, but this appears to be a general "rule" for section 7|

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Laptop policy
Pursuant to the Section 7 policy, we will not use laptops during lecture/discussion periods.  But you may use your laptop for in-class writing and research exercises.





Various professors in different sections will ban them.  There's little rhyme or reason to it.  I never used them in class and tend to find them distracting when used by others, so I've never had a problem with this, but some do.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 29, 2007, 09:24:22 AM
So do other sections have this ban on laptops in class or is it only section 7?  So far, Torts, Civ. Pro, Contracts, and LRW have all banned use of laptops in class (well, LRW allows use for in-class assignments).  No word on Admin law yet, but this appears to be a general "rule" for section 7|

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Laptop policy
Pursuant to the Section 7 policy, we will not use laptops during lecture/discussion periods.  But you may use your laptop for in-class writing and research exercises.





Various professors in different sections will ban them.  There's little rhyme or reason to it.  I never used them in class and tend to find them distracting when used by others, so I've never had a problem with this, but some do.

H4CS - roughly about how many people in a given class use laptops v. paper?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 29, 2007, 09:26:25 AM
H4CS - roughly about how many people in a given class use laptops v. paper?

Who knows.  It various by class.  Only a small handful of people will never use laptops.  Most people do and some will use laptops in some classes and paper for others.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on August 29, 2007, 02:30:46 PM
So do other sections have this ban on laptops in class or is it only section 7?  So far, Torts, Civ. Pro, Contracts, and LRW have all banned use of laptops in class (well, LRW allows use for in-class assignments).  No word on Admin law yet, but this appears to be a general "rule" for section 7|

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Laptop policy
Pursuant to the Section 7 policy, we will not use laptops during lecture/discussion periods.  But you may use your laptop for in-class writing and research exercises.

I've heard through the grapevine that one of the Section 5 profs have banned them, too (Property, maybe?), but I haven't doublechecked this for myself yet.  Anyone know for sure?

Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on August 29, 2007, 05:20:41 PM
whoohoo, I'm in cambridge now and in time for orientation!
 ;D

Anyone else live on/near harvard st and dana?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 29, 2007, 06:59:12 PM
Nope.  Terry Terrace here.  Any other Section 2 people in Terry Terrace?

Also, are you guys bringing anything to orientation tomorrow?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: road on August 29, 2007, 07:45:18 PM
Nope.  Terry Terrace here.  Any other Section 2 people in Terry Terrace?

Also, are you guys bringing anything to orientation tomorrow?

A friend suggested that I show up in a powdered wig and flowing robes.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on August 29, 2007, 07:49:46 PM
It'd be funny if you got a group of people to do that with you.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on August 29, 2007, 07:57:33 PM
So do other sections have this ban on laptops in class or is it only section 7?  So far, Torts, Civ. Pro, Contracts, and LRW have all banned use of laptops in class (well, LRW allows use for in-class assignments).  No word on Admin law yet, but this appears to be a general "rule" for section 7|

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Laptop policy
Pursuant to the Section 7 policy, we will not use laptops during lecture/discussion periods.  But you may use your laptop for in-class writing and research exercises.

I've heard through the grapevine that one of the Section 5 profs have banned them, too (Property, maybe?), but I haven't doublechecked this for myself yet.  Anyone know for sure?



You guys have Donahue.  I heard lots of stories about him but don't know about the laptops.  I also bumped into a Section 5 person who was trying to find the distribution section.  I forgo thow adorable nervous 1Ls can be.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on August 30, 2007, 04:46:00 AM
Nope.  Terry Terrace here.  Any other Section 2 people in Terry Terrace?

Also, are you guys bringing anything to orientation tomorrow?


I wasn't planning on bringing anything and I was going to wear dockers and a white shirt, boring but about the only thing I
've got unpacked and semi-unwrinkled:)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 30, 2007, 12:02:23 PM
grrr Meltzer said no laptops.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 30, 2007, 12:19:31 PM
Hey, cassise and I seem to live on the same floor, and we were talking about getting an HLS LSD meetup off the ground, now that we're all in Cambridge. Anybody interested in going out Saturday or Sunday night? Anybody want to choose the venue? I can speak for Grendel and John Harvard's, but I'm open to suggestions.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on August 30, 2007, 01:01:40 PM
grrr Meltzer said no laptops.


Hanson too. Better stock up on notebooks.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 30, 2007, 01:10:27 PM
Hey, cassise and I seem to live on the same floor, and we were talking about getting an HLS LSD meetup off the ground, now that we're all in Cambridge. Anybody interested in going out Saturday or Sunday night? Anybody want to choose the venue? I can speak for Grendel and John Harvard's, but I'm open to suggestions.

I have no suggestions on venue, but would like to come along.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on August 30, 2007, 02:27:10 PM
No laptops in sect 4 either.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 30, 2007, 05:05:18 PM
Hey, cassise and I seem to live on the same floor, and we were talking about getting an HLS LSD meetup off the ground, now that we're all in Cambridge. Anybody interested in going out Saturday or Sunday night? Anybody want to choose the venue? I can speak for Grendel and John Harvard's, but I'm open to suggestions.

We met outside the door of Ames today, Electric.  But perhaps you didn't know that.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 30, 2007, 05:13:24 PM
Hey, cassise and I seem to live on the same floor, and we were talking about getting an HLS LSD meetup off the ground, now that we're all in Cambridge. Anybody interested in going out Saturday or Sunday night? Anybody want to choose the venue? I can speak for Grendel and John Harvard's, but I'm open to suggestions.

We met outside the door of Ames today, Electric.  But perhaps you didn't know that.

Ooh, creepy! :P I did not, in fact, know that. Well, if you're coming to Kong tonight, I guess I'll get a second shot at introducing myself.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on August 30, 2007, 05:17:35 PM
Hey, cassise and I seem to live on the same floor, and we were talking about getting an HLS LSD meetup off the ground, now that we're all in Cambridge. Anybody interested in going out Saturday or Sunday night? Anybody want to choose the venue? I can speak for Grendel and John Harvard's, but I'm open to suggestions.

We met outside the door of Ames today, Electric.  But perhaps you didn't know that.

Ooh, creepy! :P I did not, in fact, know that. Well, if you're coming to Kong tonight, I guess I'll get a second shot at introducing myself.

I am not, but given our living proximity, I believe that future encounters will be unavoidable.  If you'd like, I'll introduce myself next time.  :)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Senator on August 30, 2007, 05:29:00 PM
Nope.  Terry Terrace here.  Any other Section 2 people in Terry Terrace?

Also, are you guys bringing anything to orientation tomorrow?

Hey, I'm Section 2 and in Terry Terrace. First floor.

Thoughts on today? Overall, I guess it was pretty painless . . . I'd be interested to know if our other sec. 2 profs will also stricken laptops.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on August 30, 2007, 10:28:42 PM
Nope.  Terry Terrace here.  Any other Section 2 people in Terry Terrace?

Also, are you guys bringing anything to orientation tomorrow?

Hey, I'm Section 2 and in Terry Terrace. First floor.

Thoughts on today? Overall, I guess it was pretty painless . . . I'd be interested to know if our other sec. 2 profs will also stricken laptops.

Agreed on being curiouis about the other section two profs.
Also, like electric said, I would love to do a get together this weekend, especially while a lot of people are still in the "get to know you" phase!  I'm up for wherever, I like grendels cause its cheap, or any of the places on mass ave close by.  Perhaps one of the people that have been here for a bit can make a suggestion?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: caribelita on September 01, 2007, 08:04:01 AM
So was there ever any sort of decision for a meet-up on Sat. or Sun. night?

And Senator, I 'think' I know who you are.  I'll PM you to make sure.  Cassie, I'm still not sure if I've met you.  Anyhow, I'm sure we'll all run into each other at some point.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on September 06, 2007, 04:24:07 PM
I cannot believe I am the  first 1L to post in this thread since 9/1!   :D

::scurries off to hit the books::
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on September 06, 2007, 05:07:51 PM
So, who's signing up for reading groups?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on September 06, 2007, 06:43:32 PM
There's a few that just look like straight-up English classes.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on September 06, 2007, 07:11:57 PM
Yeah, the one with Dersh is prolly going to stay open...

(I really want the one with Goldsmith, actually, even though I think I'd be way too scared to argue with him.)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on September 06, 2007, 07:51:54 PM
Yeah, the one with Dersh is prolly going to stay open...

(I really want the one with Goldsmith, actually, even though I think I'd be way too scared to argue with him.)

Maybe it's just me, but I find it slightly funny that he has a reading group to read his book.

I mean, not funny in a bad way...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on September 07, 2007, 07:57:50 AM
Yeah, the one with Dersh is prolly going to stay open...

(I really want the one with Goldsmith, actually, even though I think I'd be way too scared to argue with him.)

Maybe it's just me, but I find it slightly funny that he has a reading group to read his book.

I mean, not funny in a bad way...

Its a good way to sell copies!

I thought about doing one of the law and econ ones, but I just dont think I have time/desire to do any more reading than I have to.  I think if I sign up for anything this semester it will be some student org.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on September 07, 2007, 08:03:08 AM
I signed up because I want to take an English class and make professors love me.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on September 11, 2007, 06:45:31 PM
I think I'll just spend (about the same amount of time) on a journal
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on September 11, 2007, 08:09:01 PM
I think I'll just spend (about the same amount of time) on a journal

I recommend JOLT.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on September 11, 2007, 08:19:50 PM
I think I'll just spend (about the same amount of time) on a journal

I recommend JOLT.

That's the one I've been thinking about. I had dinner with 'em at the ASW; good people.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on September 12, 2007, 06:13:05 PM
I think I'll just spend (about the same amount of time) on a journal

I recommend JOLT.

Yeah, but JLG is where it's at.  No question here.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on September 12, 2007, 06:16:18 PM
I'm inclined JLG-wards. Surprised? Anyone? Bueller?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on September 12, 2007, 06:21:38 PM
I'm inclined JLG-wards. Surprised? Anyone? Bueller?

I'll be pushing it at the journals fair, but this isn't a hard sell.  JLG has by far the most supportive and caring community of any journal at HLS, perhaps more than any student organization.  I leave meetings feeling energized and optimistic, things I rarely feel elsewhere.  Some journals (not naming names) use Roberts Rules of Order for their 3 hour weekly meetings.  JLG runs like butter, challenges me,  and is such a great place to be that it's not uncommon for people to leave their 1L journal to join it as a 2L (and be shocked by the difference).
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on September 12, 2007, 06:26:20 PM
Dayum.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on September 12, 2007, 07:10:43 PM
I'm inclined JLG-wards. Surprised? Anyone? Bueller?

I'll be pushing it at the journals fair, but this isn't a hard sell.  JLG has by far the most supportive and caring community of any journal at HLS, perhaps more than any student organization.  I leave meetings feeling energized and optimistic, things I rarely feel elsewhere.  Some journals (not naming names) use Roberts Rules of Order for their 3 hour weekly meetings.  JLG runs like butter, challenges me,  and is such a great place to be that it's not uncommon for people to leave their 1L journal to join it as a 2L (and be shocked by the difference).

I don't know about JLG, but JOLT's acronym is also an English word.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on September 12, 2007, 07:18:38 PM
I'm leaning toward JLPP, any 2L's know anything about them?  Time commitment, a-hole factor, etc?

Alternate would be neg law review
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on September 12, 2007, 08:04:33 PM
I'm leaning toward JLPP, any 2L's know anything about them?  Time commitment, a-hole factor, etc?

Alternate would be neg law review

You know that JLPP is for FedSoc promotion and little else, I assume.  If that's your thing, it's the best journal for you.  Some non-ideologues think it looks good on their application for clerkships and whatnot, but without other FedSoc credentials, that's somewhat questionable advise.  It's not just for FedSoc types, but I think that if that's not what you want, there are better journals for you.

And JLG is an abbreviation and not an acronym, anyway.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on September 14, 2007, 07:55:55 AM
I'm leaning toward JLPP, any 2L's know anything about them?  Time commitment, a-hole factor, etc?

Alternate would be neg law review

You know that JLPP is for FedSoc promotion and little else, I assume.  If that's your thing, it's the best journal for you.  Some non-ideologues think it looks good on their application for clerkships and whatnot, but without other FedSoc credentials, that's somewhat questionable advise.  It's not just for FedSoc types, but I think that if that's not what you want, there are better journals for you.

And JLG is an abbreviation and not an acronym, anyway.

I am thinking about FedSoc stuff, want to do a journal, mostly apathetic about the others (being a conservative white male not interesting in intrnational law or tech really rules out a lot of stuff). 

Plus, isn't JLPP more circulated than most school's law reviews?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on September 14, 2007, 08:12:12 AM
I am thinking about FedSoc stuff, want to do a journal, mostly apathetic about the others (being a conservative white male not interesting in intrnational law or tech really rules out a lot of stuff). 

Plus, isn't JLPP more circulated than most school's law reviews?

Well, the first paragraph is good reason to join JLPP, but the second is not.  Circulation doesn't mean much.  JLPP is run well and is a strong institution that can open doors if you drink deeply of the kool-aid.  I think HLPR may have a larger circulation after two issues, just because they send it to all ACS members.  If nothing else, that should show that circulation is just not that good a metric.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Pink on September 14, 2007, 04:07:25 PM
I think I'll just spend (about the same amount of time) on a journal

I recommend JOLT.

Hi bass, I'm quite interested in JOLT.  What's the expected workload?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on September 15, 2007, 08:16:42 AM
I think I'll just spend (about the same amount of time) on a journal

I recommend JOLT.

Hi bass, I'm quite interested in JOLT.  What's the expected workload?

Depends on your involvement.  Go to whatever informational meeting/training they have.  Things can change semester to semester (based on my conversations with EICs, should be less work than last year).  I think the basic answer is: minimum one weekend where you're working pretty damn hard, one 2 hour training session, plus about 5 hours.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on September 16, 2007, 05:58:37 AM
So what reading groups did folks end up with?  I'm in Law and Humanities with Suk.  Wanted something that wasn't straight law, and figured I'd rather get to know one of my current profs better than start with someone new.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on September 16, 2007, 09:36:44 AM
Shakespeare's Constitution:  The Henriad.  With Feldman.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on September 16, 2007, 11:16:17 AM
Poop. That's the one I wanted. I got Kaplow, which I don't even remember checking off. Le sigh.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on September 16, 2007, 05:35:06 PM
Poop. That's the one I wanted. I got Kaplow, which I don't even remember checking off. Le sigh.

I just knew you were going to be in Henriad, too, Dash!   :(
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: road on September 16, 2007, 07:25:32 PM
I'm in Contemporary Legal Scholarship with Yochai Benkler. I haven't found anyone else who signed up for it yet but I'm excited.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: bass on September 16, 2007, 08:11:45 PM
I'm in Contemporary Legal Scholarship with Yochai Benkler. I haven't found anyone else who signed up for it yet but I'm excited.


Benkler's great.  I have him for Copyright, etc. now.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on September 17, 2007, 04:12:44 PM
Don't forget to come to the Journals fair tonight and sign up for whatever your hearts may desire.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: dashrashi on September 17, 2007, 05:42:17 PM
Put my name on the JLG list. Was the Capn there perchance?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: H4CS on September 17, 2007, 09:00:04 PM
Put my name on the JLG list. Was the Capn there perchance?

Yes.  If you stuck around and chatted, I was the charming one.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: country girl on September 24, 2007, 08:49:37 AM
Any advice for those of us applying to HLS?
Also, any single parents out there?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: road on September 24, 2007, 08:42:14 PM
Any advice for those of us applying to HLS?
Also, any single parents out there?

I don't know that I have any good advice that you won't get elsewhere (get your transcripts and recommendations in now since they always take longer than you think). The application year kind of sucks, you have a panicked rush getting it all in then a painfully long wait, and all the while you feel like your life is on hold.

I'm happy to answer specific questions and/or share my stats, personal statement, etc (pm me).

country girl, I'm not a single parent but I am a parent. Law School (at HLS at least) definitely seems targeted to young singles. Most extracurricular activities are in the evening when I'm home putting babies to bed and I feel like I have to really crank in the days to get everything done and leave most evenings and weekends free for family stuff. You can do it though, and I am really liking it so far. How old are your kid(s)? Mine are two and 11 months.


Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on September 25, 2007, 05:01:45 PM
Any advice for those of us applying to HLS?
Also, any single parents out there?

I don't know that I have any good advice that you won't get elsewhere (get your transcripts and recommendations in now since they always take longer than you think). The application year kind of sucks, you have a panicked rush getting it all in then a painfully long wait, and all the while you feel like your life is on hold.

I'm happy to answer specific questions and/or share my stats, personal statement, etc (pm me).

country girl, I'm not a single parent but I am a parent. Law School (at HLS at least) definitely seems targeted to young singles. Most extracurricular activities are in the evening when I'm home putting babies to bed and I feel like I have to really crank in the days to get everything done and leave most evenings and weekends free for family stuff. You can do it though, and I am really liking it so far. How old are your kid(s)? Mine are two and 11 months.




Wow road, i really admire you,I couldn't imagine doing all this and having a family.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on September 25, 2007, 05:22:22 PM
second road.I have two kids and commute 4 hours most days.  It's crazy, but doable.  and hey, its harvard, so all you need to do is pass!  my advice? read Tennyson's poem Ulysses
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on September 25, 2007, 05:38:37 PM
second road.I have two kids and commute 4 hours most days.  It's crazy, but doable.  and hey, its harvard, so all you need to do is pass!  my advice? read Tennyson's poem Ulysses

Awesome poem...

Your knowledge of poetry and botany is awe-inspiring.  ;)
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on September 25, 2007, 07:21:09 PM
Thanks, Brito  :D

One picks up a lot of useless info over the years.

I'm afraid I'll never live down the tomato thing; fortunately, I neglected to mention that it was actually my mom with whom I used to argue the point...

Ulysses is my law school mantra
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on September 25, 2007, 07:38:34 PM
Thanks, Brito  :D

One picks up a lot of useless info over the years.

I'm afraid I'll never live down the tomato thing; fortunately, I neglected to mention that it was actually my mom with whom I used to argue the point...

Ulysses is my law school mantra

I found it helpful in debate.  But that's a massive, complicated compartment of my mind...
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: sharo68 on September 27, 2007, 05:41:09 PM
They are flogging us cassise.  *&^%.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on September 27, 2007, 08:01:02 PM
They are flogging us cassise.  *&^%.

Section 4 flogs.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on September 27, 2007, 08:56:30 PM
They are flogging us cassise.  sh*t.
sharo = baller

Stop the flogging.

Hey sharo, do you have a lemonade popsical that my pilgrim can borrow?
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: markasparov on September 28, 2007, 06:17:06 AM
do you have a lemonade popsical that my pilgrim can borrow?

Only I can eat any popsicles acquired heretofor as part of an effort to deal with the heat on the Isle of Capri.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: cassise on September 28, 2007, 10:46:05 PM
do you have a lemonade popsical that my pilgrim can borrow?

Only I can eat any popsicles acquired heretofor as part of an effort to deal with the heat on the Isle of Capri.
Capri didn't go so well today.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Brito on September 28, 2007, 10:50:15 PM
Section 4 is like an octopus with its tentacles embracing everything.
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: Omaha8 on September 29, 2007, 04:20:51 AM
(That's) what she said!
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: jd2bee on June 10, 2008, 02:23:37 PM
Hey class of 2010.  Just wanted to say hello (from the Class of 2011).  How was everyone's first year?  Any Law Review news? Also, I was wondering where you all are living next year. I have an apartment in between HLS and Inman Square and will be in Cambridge mid-August.  I'd love to say hello to anyone who is around (of any year, not just the class of 2011).  I hope you all survived this year and look forward to meeting you next year.

Thanks,
Jaime
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: BikePilot on June 20, 2008, 10:11:13 PM
I think we are pretty much all off elsewhere for the summer right now, but by the time you are in Cambridge there will be lots of us returning. I'm living in an apartment off Harvard street (about half way between harvard sq and central sq). Cambridge is a pretty tiny place though so nothing is more than a 5 or 6 minute bicycle ride away and Boston is only 10-20 minutes depending on where you wanna be.

No law review news yet, probably 2-4 weeks to go yet.

Oh, and section four is the coolest section ever :P
Title: Re: HLS Class of 2010!!!
Post by: minarets on July 01, 2008, 06:36:50 PM
Does anyone know anything about the fifth floor of Hastings? I know it's the attic, and I'm picturing triangular rooms with sloping roofs... Please tell me that's not the case.

Also, whats the deal with bed sizes? The pictures on the housing websites have full beds, and that's the size I saw when I visited, but the website says long twins. Thanks for the help.