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lets just say that loki didn't cite his sources for a reason

I didn't need to cite sources because it's self-evident to (1) any attorney, (2) anyone in law school, and (3) any one that has a passing familiarity with higher education. It's a /facepalm along the lines of asking, "What was your major in medical school?" You get an M.D., and then you get a residency in a certain area. Well, in law school, you get a J.D. Full stop.

There are schools that like to offer "concentrations" or "specialties" in certain areas. If you do certain required courses (and/or clinics) you can get a nice, wonderful, piece of paper that has no relevance whatsoever. It's not a major. It's the school saying, "Yep, he took some environmental law courses." If you write that you have a "major" in law school on your resume, you will quickly get it discarded.

Once you get your J.D, you could get a Master of Laws (a further graduate degree) in a particular subject. You know- L.L.M in taxation. Finally, you can get a doctorate in law. But "majors" is an undergraduate concept.

That said, given your responses for some time, I have to assume you only troll on legal subjects.
All I saw was some valley girl attitude rant followed by off topic irrelevant rants about LLMs and the like........still no links to actual majors in the fields discussed..............as expected.
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lets just say that loki didn't cite his sources for a reason

I didn't need to cite sources because it's self-evident to (1) any attorney, (2) anyone in law school, and (3) any one that has a passing familiarity with higher education. It's a /facepalm along the lines of asking, "What was your major in medical school?" You get an M.D., and then you get a residency in a certain area. Well, in law school, you get a J.D. Full stop.

There are schools that like to offer "concentrations" or "specialties" in certain areas. If you do certain required courses (and/or clinics) you can get a nice, wonderful, piece of paper that has no relevance whatsoever. It's not a major. It's the school saying, "Yep, he took some environmental law courses." If you write that you have a "major" in law school on your resume, you will quickly get it discarded.

Once you get your J.D, you could get a Master of Laws (a further graduate degree) in a particular subject. You know- L.L.M in taxation. Finally, you can get a doctorate in law. But "majors" is an undergraduate concept.

That said, given your responses for some time, I have to assume you only troll on legal subjects.
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Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o

1. There are no "majors" in law school. Just a JD.

2. Any school will teach you enough to go into child advocacy law or criminal law.

3. Do not believe the self-rankings of schools regarding their programs; with a very few exceptions (such as tax law, which you need an LLM for anyway) it doesn't matter at all. Certainly not for those areas.

4. Go to the school the you like, that is the least expensive, in the geographic area that you believe you will practice.

Finally, good luck. Those are two fields that I could never practice in. It's not the law - it's the facts, if you know what I mean.

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)

Can you name a couple?
lets just say that loki didn't cite his sources for a reason
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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UF, FSU, or Stetson with qualifications
« Last post by 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 21, 2017, 02:48:02 PM »
Two Words come to mind....Jose Boy.........

I know you are thinking "I was deployed all was well" (and it likely was)
but you were bringing home a livable wage and other benefits

you will be barely keeping your head above water, so you wont be a "provider" (that dynamic change is huger than you currently realize), the strain on her support system will over 3-4 years become more than expected, she will eventually believe she is carrying YOU.............

I honestly wouldn't do this if she wont move with you. Its not a good sign.
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Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o

1. There are no "majors" in law school. Just a JD.

2. Any school will teach you enough to go into child advocacy law or criminal law.

3. Do not believe the self-rankings of schools regarding their programs; with a very few exceptions (such as tax law, which you need an LLM for anyway) it doesn't matter at all. Certainly not for those areas.

4. Go to the school the you like, that is the least expensive, in the geographic area that you believe you will practice.

Finally, good luck. Those are two fields that I could never practice in. It's not the law - it's the facts, if you know what I mean.

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)

Can you name a couple?
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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UF, FSU, or Stetson with qualifications
« Last post by loki13 on January 20, 2017, 12:21:33 PM »
The wife is set on staying in her home town for her support network. I cannot change that. I am not expecting to commute either. I don't have direct experience, but I expect law school to eat away at me (especially since I am a perfectionist and will be looking to be the top in my class, on the trial team, etc.). I hope to travel home on the weekends, or maybe twice a month if I need to do additional school work.

That's why distance factors so heavily in the conversation, and why I dismissed the idea of William and Mary even though they are offering me $10k a year and the GI Bill would pay for all tuition. I have no love of Tampa, but it seems hard to turn down the money offered by Stetson even if UF is going to make getting a job easier later. The problem is that the two considerations are so different that it is hard to compare them.

First, stop stressing and concentrate on the positives. You have been accepted to the good law schools in the state you want to practice in. Congratulations! There is no truly "bad" option between UF, FSU, and Stetson. Instead, you're making a positive choice as to which of the schools best fits your needs.

So let's look at some factors-
1. Your wife and family live in Vero Beach and want to stay there. First things first- is this going to be your permanent home after law school? If so, then, well, the Ft. Pierce/Lucie legal market isn't that large, and I wouldn't recommend the commute to Orlando or W. Palm (yep!). But it's doable- there are jobs. Just not ... your pick of jobs, or "BigLaw" jobs.

2. If you're not willing to relocate, Stetson's relative advantage in Tampa doesn't mean anything, and you'd be better off with UF or FSU's overall advantage. Ideally, given what you have written about costs, I'd recommend FSU. However ...

3. There's no way you'd be regularly, or semi-regularly, visiting your family from FSU. Not going to happen. Weird fact that you may (or may not) be aware of, but because of the road set up and E/W travel in Florida, UF and Stetson are about the same distance from Vero Beach. Go fig.

4. Given your military background, and non-traditional status (that's fancy talk for, "taking time off between UG and law school") I expect that you will treat law school like a job, and put the time in. So I'm going to be honest with you- if you want to place at the top of your class, and you want the prestigious extras (law review, moot court, trial team), you will be a ghost to your family for a good part of your first two years. I was a non-trad with a family, and I did the work to place at the top of my class and get law review, and I was effectively a stranger for the first two years ... and I lived with them.


In the end, you need to make the decision that is best for you, and I can't answer that. I can tell you that if everything else is equal, I would go UF > FSU .... > Stetson. But I would also say that the difference between UF and FSU is negligible. The most important thing is to graduate with little debt.

I will add this; where you graduated from will not matter after several years of practice, other than alum networks. It will help with your first job (or jobs, if you get a new job early in your career). But debt ... that can haunt you.

But for your family, given what you wrote about the costs, I would choose FSU. If your family is a concern (as in regular visits) then you should choose between UF and Stetson.

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Online Law Schools / Re: Novus University School of Law
« Last post by 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 19, 2017, 06:53:36 PM »
How does Novus have an edu website?
Does the govt not screen this stuff at all?
If I go to godaddy.com can I get one for $10 in as many minutes or less?
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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UF, FSU, or Stetson with qualifications
« Last post by cinnamon synonym on January 19, 2017, 02:28:45 PM »
On balance, this all leaves me leaning pretty strongly toward Stetson, but that 103 number is really getting to me. Is UF that much better that I should give up $17,119 a year plus room? Is FSU good enough that I should ignore their lack of concentrations and the distance from my family?

Your reasoned thoughts are greatly appreciated.







Semper Fi.

Try not to allow "noise" complicate tho HUGE decision for you.
 
The distance to your family is ALL important for your wellbeing and the adventure of life...keep them close.

The Tampa bay market is where you will make rooted connections...

The money and more importantly "time" are valuable.

Going to Stetson is thinking smarter;not harder.

In other words.....dont buy Clorox when all you really want is bleach.
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Law School Admissions / Re: Will i get in
« Last post by 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 19, 2017, 01:11:33 PM »
Geographical Convenience is a factor, but a potential trap as well.
Most don't "really" know where they want to spend their lives, and many (if not most) of those who THINK they do would still trade that in for an improved enough situation in life (job satisfaction, wages, etc) or their minds may change as they grow older. (not to even get into "socio-economic demographic changes".....ask former Flint Parents who got tired of their kids getting stabbed in former "nice" neighborhoods)

Its just given too much weight by some is my point. Unless its a non ABA school, it doesn't really matter.
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Law School Admissions / Re: Will i get in
« Last post by Maintain FL 350 on January 19, 2017, 10:05:27 AM »
A couple of points:

Can you get into any top twenty school? Yeah, it's possible if you can increase your LSAT by at least 3-4 points. UCLA's 50% LSAT is 167, so to have a real shot you'd need to really bring that 159 up.

More importantly, I think that maybe you are already making a common mistake. You're focusing on rankings instead of looking at the bigger picture, of which rankings are only a component.

Certain schools are inherently prestigious, and their reputations speak for themselves (Harvard, Yale, etc). There is nothing automatically magical, however, about a school being included in the top 20. Boston U, Iowa and Emory have all been in the top 20, and although they are all good schools, I promise that law firms in LA and San Francisco are not falling over themselves to snatch up Iowa grads.

So, if you have the numbers to get into someplace like Harvard, awesome. You will do great. But if you are trying to decide between Iowa and Loyola-LA for example, and are inclined to go to Iowa because Hey, it's Top 20!, then you need to step back at look at the whole picture.

You need to think about where you want to live and work, what you want to do, how much debt you can handle, etc. If your goal is to be a prosecutor in LA, for example, a big scholarship from Pepperdine or Loyola could be a better bet than a huge debt from an out of state school.
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