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 on: August 12, 2014, 12:33:00 AM 
Started by jwhite997 - Last post by jwhite997
This guy doesn't have an LLM.

 on: August 11, 2014, 11:34:20 PM 
Started by jwhite997 - Last post by NewlyMinted
JSM tends to require an LLM already done to get in it

 on: August 11, 2014, 11:17:12 PM 
Started by jwhite997 - Last post by jwhite997
The JSM degree at Stanford is geared towards international attorneys looking to practice a specialized type of law in the U.S., according to Stanford's website ( If that is so, why does this US-grad JD have a JSM: Was a JSM much easier to obtain than LLM in 1981? Was his obtaining a JSM just so that he could have a T14 school on his CV?

 on: August 11, 2014, 07:51:28 PM 
Started by Camo2015 - Last post by Citylaw
161 LSAT and 3.99 GPA are solid.

Remember 161 LSAT puts you in the top 20% of LSAT Test takers, which is not a stupid group. Anyone taking the LSAT is a college graduate that is motivated enough to attend law school and has the fortitude to actually take the test.

As you go down the law school path realize there is a 90% chance you will not be in the top 10% of your class and a 99% chance you will not be in the top 1%. Everyone in law school is smart, hard-working, motivated, with solid backgrounds similar to yours. Everyone on the first day really believes they will be number one just as everyone thinks they can do better on the LSAT. However, if everyone could score 175-180 on the LSAT getting into Harvard would not be much of an accomplishment.

Again, you have some impressive credentials and there is a strong likelihood you  can get into Baylor. If your goal is to go into JAG you can certainly accomplish that from any school with your prior military experience and a J.D.

Good luck as you pursue a legal education.

 on: August 11, 2014, 01:49:58 PM 
Started by jmazz88 - Last post by Citylaw
Any ABA school will provide you with a quality education and if you want to work in Long Island attend law school in Long Island.

With that said I believe any incoming law student should consider the following five factors in this order. (1) Location; (2) Cost; (3) Personal Feelings about School; (4) Understanding the reality of legal education; (5) Last and least U.S. News ranking. I will apply each of these factors to your situation.

1. Location:
You are looking at NY schools, which is a good sign. Many students myself included as a idiotic 0L apply all over the country and think the City you attend law school does not matter, but it is for all intents and purposes the most important factor.

From your post it appears like Long Island is where you want to be so Touro or Hofstra are your best options, and if you can live with your parents and not pay rent for three years that is a significant savings. Additionally, your parents can probably be a source of comfort and take care of a lot of the little random things that will allow you to focus during 1L when it is extremely stressful.

I think Touro or Hofstra would work for location.

2) Cost
Congrats on the scholarship that is great, but one thing to ask is what are the conditions. Most law schools require you to maintain a 3.0 GPA or maintain some standing in the class. As an incoming law student you know your going to work hard and will certainly obtain a 3.0 GPA, but that is what 100% of your class thinks as every law student is smart, hard-working, and motivated. Additionally, law schools is not graded like undergrad and typically only 35% of the class can maintain a 3.0 GPA, which means there is a 65% chance you will lose your scholarship years 2 and 3. I don't know what the conditions of your scholarship are, but I strongly encourage you to ask. This NY Times Article does a great job summing up what happens when law students don't ask.

I also encourage you to negotiate for more scholarship money and better conditions.

You may also want to consider City University of New York since it only $13,000 per year for an in-state resident. In-State ABA schools are the best deal out there if you happen to be a resident of the state, which I assume you are in New York.

(3) Personal Feelings about the school
Another very important factor to consider is your personal feelings about the school. The only person that can really know whether a school fits you is you. Therefore, I strongly encourage you to visit any school you are interested in talk to professors, admins, students, walk around the campus, the neighborhood, and see what school feels right. I visited a number of schools as a OL and there were some that rubbed me the wrong way and others I loved. What is best for you can only be answered by a visit and your gut will have a reaction, which is something you should listen to.

(4) Understanding the Reality of Legal Education:

Whether you attend Touro, Hofstra, St. John's etc you will obtain a quality education. All ABA schools are highly regulated and for all intents and purposes you learn the same thing. During law school you read supreme court cases and the Supreme Court does not write seperate opinions for different schools nor does the law change if you attend a different school.

Many people get all wrapped up in this, but all schools will teach you the law and it will then be up to you pass the bar exam.

(5) U.S. News:
Remember this is nothing more than a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion. Do not let it be the basis of a life altering decision.

Good luck whatever you decide.

 on: August 11, 2014, 11:22:39 AM 
Started by Camo2015 - Last post by Maintain FL 350
Take a look at LSAC's Official Guide to U.S. Law Schools. They have grids which show how many applied within a certain GPA/LSAT rang and how many were accepted. It looks like with numbers similar to yours almost all were accepted.

Also consider using your numbers for a full scholarship somewhere else if necessary. Or maybe the Army covers it? 

 on: August 10, 2014, 10:07:47 PM 
Started by Camo2015 - Last post by Camo2015
@Miami88 Thank you for that website! Definitely gives me an idea and makes me feel better. You're definitely right about the application part I'm researching into all of that now.
@NewlyMinted Yes sir I plan to go JAG. I'm currently working on obtaining an education delay with the Army which will give me the go ahead for law school. I do not have an MOS like many of my buddies since I took the Army scholarship route, which is basically a fast track to becoming an officer.

 on: August 10, 2014, 09:37:47 PM 
Started by Camo2015 - Last post by NewlyMinted
What's your MOS Sir? You plan to transfer to JAG after the JD?

 on: August 10, 2014, 09:10:06 PM 
Started by Camo2015 - Last post by Miami88
I'd imagine with a 161 and a 3.99 you won't have much trouble getting in. Add to that an army background and work experience... Just make sure your there are no fatal errors in your essays/application (i.e. bad typos).

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Good Luck!

 on: August 10, 2014, 02:58:26 PM 
Started by Camo2015 - Last post by Camo2015
Hey all was just wondering if anyone could provide me with some insight on what my chances are getting into Baylor Law with a 161 lsat (159 was my lowest but they take the highest) and a 3.99 GPA. I was pretty disappointed with my lsat scores because I know I can do better and may even take it a third time for scholarship reasons. I'm contracted with the Army in ROTC at Texas A&M University and have a lot of leadership experiences and what not because of it. I plan on getting my application in by the early admission dead line this coming November. Any insight on where I stand along with any advice would be awesome. Thanks yall.

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