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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« Last post by Maintain FL 350 on December 14, 2016, 07:11:37 PM »
You lose track of lots of things, Julie.
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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« Last post by 🍟💵🌲🍥 on December 14, 2016, 05:33:05 PM »
I wouldn't go to law school if your end goal is JAG (civilian or otherwise) percentage wise, almost none of the applicants get accepted (out of all those who obviously made the cut to become attorneys)

Its a good goal, but I'd only recommend it if you are ok with ending up stuck in a other work.
The military no doubt would take most vets back (if they otherwise qualify) but might get stuck doing paralegal stuff instead, even if the civilian equivalent.
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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« Last post by 🍟💵🌲🍥 on December 14, 2016, 05:30:32 PM »
No, you will continue to lose.
I lost track of who the "you" is in this if you are talking to me...............
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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« Last post by 18d4v on December 13, 2016, 08:01:45 PM »
Thanks for the response, brother.

I'm not dead set on the T-14 or anything as I don't really care that much for prestige. I do care where I want to practice and the practice area (public sector) which is why the T-14 plus regional schools offer me the most options.

Live in NC and would like to practice in NC, GA, or TX.  Almost every school I am applying to will have tuition paid for as I don't have any really no aspirations on having a six figure salary or selling my soul to big law.

The key phrase here is "almost every school ... will have tuition paid for[.]" Given that I assume you are early in the admissions process, and that you haven't received admissions + financial offers yet, you must be discussing some other package, such as aid to military vets, that I am less than familiar with. Good for you!

MaintainFL has excellent advice. As you want to practice in the public sector, you should make sure that your total cost of attendance is zero (or close to it). Do not depend on loan forgiveness programs for working in the public sector- allow me to explain.

At this point, you have the same vague desires that most people have when they start law school, "I want to work in M&A." "I want to work in the public sector and do good." "I want to work in international law." There's nothing wrong with that- most applicants have that feeling, and, by far, the three most common motivations are:
1. I want to make money.
2. I don't know what to do with my life after undergrad.
3. I want to help people/do good/work in the public sector.

Here's the thing- the practice of law is very different than the ideals, and you might end up with very different ideas as to what you find appealing after you encounter actual practice during your first two years in law school, during summer jobs, and in clinics. The best way to make sure you keep your options open are to graduate law school with little to no debt.

With that in mind, understand the following-
1. T14 schools are national. Harvard, Yale, etc.? You can pretty much practice in any part of the country that you want to begin with. You will get the interview. However, when people discuss this, they are usually talking about BigLaw or prestigious public sector. They aren't discussing local PD in Montana.
2. Other schools in from 14-100, roughly, or state/regional schools. Your degree and connections will help you in the state, and perhaps the region. But if you want to practice far outside of it, you need to make your own connections and do really well.
3. Past the top 100, you start looking at state/local schools. Schools that place in the state, or the locality (city) of the school.

In law, geography matters. The state that you first practice in has a very good chance to be the state that you always practice in. Bar admissions are not portable. This isn't a hard and fast rule; I've practiced in more than one state. But you should pay attention to it.
Thanks again.  I'm pretty sure I would like to go the JAG route or into defense contracting in some legal capacity.  As far as tuition and living expenses, the Post 9/11 with Yellow Ribbon pretty much covers all public (in-state and OOS) and many private schools, including most of the T14.  I realize my career goals do change, as mine have changed multiple times throughout my life.

I agree with Loki, your GPA/LSAT profile will account for 95% of the admissions decision. That said, a military background and interesting work experience plus maturity will help a little.

I went to law school in my early thirties, and attended a part-time evening program. If you are older than the average student, I would at least consider this option.

Lastly, consider the possibility that a solid local/regional school located in the geographic area in which you want to live may be a better option than a far away school with a higher ranking (especially if it's cheaper).

For example, if you wanted to live in Georgia or Texas (as you indicated) then a degree from UGA or SMU may be more valuable than a degree from UCLA even though UCLA is higher ranked. Of course, a degree from Harvard trumps them all but that's a different story.

In any case, 166 is a great score but it's fairly average for the T14. 3.49, OTOH, is a somewhat low GPA for the T14. I would think about where you really want to live, what you really want to do, and let that guide your decisions.   
Thanks.  Talked to some people at JAG, the DoD civie side, and attorneys at defense contractors and from what they told me, where you graduate doesn't matter as much.  Your ranking in law school would matter, but they also care about WE and life experience.  Most of all, networking and who you know.  I should have a decent shot at JAG provided I don't bomb law school.

Yeah, I realize that my numbers are a bit low for the T14.  But with application fee waivers, I might as well give it a shot in case my career aspirations change.

Holy crap you have a very compelling story.  How did you finish UG while being an SF soldier during the crazy years?  Or did you enlist with a degree?  Just curious, not flaming at all. 

I have been told by many sources that Northwestern is very fond of professional experience.  May be a fit with your very solid numbers.   

Thank you for your service!

I finished my BS before enlisting, which took 2 years with early start credits and summer classes.  Finished an AA at the DLI my first two years in service.  I don't think I would be able to finish a degree in even 6+ years in SF and be able to have a life outside work.

Northwestern is where I'm planning on EDing for.

You don't need to thank me for anything.  Thank you for paying your taxes!
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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« Last post by Maintain FL 350 on December 13, 2016, 07:21:49 PM »
No, you will continue to lose.
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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« Last post by 🍟💵🌲🍥 on December 13, 2016, 06:24:36 PM »
Julie trying too hard. Exposed as troll, like Trump.
so.....Julie gonna win???? they cry for odd no reason.........and then keep win??
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Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« Last post by Maintain FL 350 on December 13, 2016, 11:50:34 AM »
We had a couple of law enforcement folks in my section, and they were frustrated with the crimpro/conlaw rules. They felt that the rules impeded their ability to make arrests/gather evidence (which is true), but they didn't seem willing to entertain the notion that a greater good is being served by limiting police power. They come at it from a different perspective.
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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« Last post by Maintain FL 350 on December 13, 2016, 11:47:16 AM »
Julie trying too hard. Exposed as troll, like Trump.
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Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement
« Last post by maddawg2020 on December 13, 2016, 11:44:42 AM »
Police do the WORST at conlaw and crimlaw and crimpro of any student group. I have my theories as to why that is. But just be prepared.

My guess would be they underestimate the subject matter thinking they know it all?  Or they think and write like cops on the exams?

 
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Studying for the LSAT / Re: LSAT tips
« Last post by cinnamon synonym on December 13, 2016, 05:03:31 AM »
any tips for studying for the LSAT? This will be my last time taking it. I have 30 practice tests (I'm doing one a week) as well as the LSAT trainer and the logic games bible, the logical reasoning bible, and reading comprehension bible. I'm a little bit of a perfectionist and I'm kind of freaking out... So, any tips would be helpful  :D

Listen, just take as many practice tests as you can, period, full stop.
Practice, practice, practice....that's it.

Whatever you do, though do not listen to Loki---dude is a troll.
Not to mention, a self righteous stupid person.
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