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 51 
 on: July 25, 2014, 07:45:13 AM 
Started by boomboom - Last post by Miami88
OP has a full scholarship already at Ave Maria.

I misspoke, Citylaw is right... FIU and FSU both have about the same cost of attendance (assuming no or similar scholarships at both). They are each about $40k per year (20k for tuition and 20k for living).

assuming you are paying for your cost of living at all three places, you would save about $40k by staying at Ave Maria. That is not an insignificant number, but you need to figure out if FSU and FIU's benefits are worth it.

I agree with Citylaw, you shouldn't base your decision here solely on ranking. I mean, if everything was equal financially and you were going into this as a 1L and you could care less where you worked after and you had similarly strong vibes about each school, you could then use ranking as a good tie breaker. The reality is you would probably have a little easier time finding work coming out of FSU than Ave Maria in a general sense. However, those aren't your circumstances. I would transfer, again, if you have a strong desire to work in another schools specific region. If you want to work in Portland, however, each of these schools are going to be equally good and equally bad at helping you get a job there, so I would say go to the cheapest.


I guess what I'm saying is, we need more info. :)

 52 
 on: July 25, 2014, 01:47:54 AM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by Citylaw
Silverdoe absolutely e-mail plenty of lawyers love their job, but most of them don't anonymously post on the internet, but with my law degree I was also able to get a side job, which allows me to get paid for writing on this board and others.

However, I love my job as a City Attorney I get to do a lot of very exciting things and I am happy to explain all the great things you can do with a J.D.




 53 
 on: July 25, 2014, 01:45:52 AM 
Started by boomboom - Last post by Citylaw
There is a lot to think about and one of the most important factors to consider is location.

Why did you choose Ave Maria originally do you have family in Naples?

 Miami, Tallahassee, and Naples are different places and odds are you will end up in whatever City you attend law school.

An additional factor to consider when transferring is your personal relationships at the school. If you finished in the top 10% of your class you are doing well and your rank will improve significantly, because many of the people above you will transfer.

I had the option to transfer from a mid-level school to some low-level T1's in the law school bubble I thought law school rankings were everything, but now that I am well out of the law school bubble I realize how irrelevant the rankings are.

If you have a lot of good relationships with professors, friends, etc at Ave Maria you might want to stay. Many of my classmates that transferred regretted it they had to start at a new school after all the 1L relationships are formed etc. Some people are great at adjusting to a new social situation while others are not that is a question only you can answer.

One thing I highly recommend doing is negotiating with Ave Maria for scholarship money to reduce tuition if you can get a significant scholarship and graduate in the top 5% of the class you will be in good shape.

With that said both FIU and FSU offer very cheap in-state tuition.

It is a really tough choice my recommendation is always if it is not broke don't fix it. You are doing extremely well if your in the top 10% of your class and my thought is don't rock the boat, but I am a random guy on the internet so take my advice with a grain of salt.

Congrats on your strong first year performance and good luck whatever you decide.


 54 
 on: July 24, 2014, 07:57:20 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by NewlyMinted
Were you born in America?

 55 
 on: July 24, 2014, 07:56:20 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by NewlyMinted
Lawyers complain, Doctors commit suicide

factor that in too

 56 
 on: July 24, 2014, 07:42:55 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by silverdoe91
It may be possible to get a 170+, but as you said it takes a ton of work. So does having 6 pack abs, learning a language, etc all of us are capable of doing all of these things, but we often do not accomplish it. I have known many people in my life that were studying for the LSAT and continually put it off for years waiting for everything to be perfect. Years passed and they never took the LSAT or attended law school. I took the LSAT and did not score a 170, but I was accepted into an ABA law school; passed the bar; and love my job as an attorney.

You love your job as an attorney? That is sincerely the first time I've heard that, in a really long time. So far everyone I've met working in law offices absolutely despises their job. And then there's all those statistics about how depressed lawyers are, and their astonishingly high suicide rates. I would love to hear a differing opinion on this matter. Would it be alright if I PM'd you? I'd like to find out more about the satisfying aspects of having a legal career.

 57 
 on: July 24, 2014, 07:39:05 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by silverdoe91
sooner vs later
you can always repeat

But if I repeat, law schools will be able to see my test scores--even if they're really bad!

 58 
 on: July 24, 2014, 07:36:52 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by silverdoe91
A big part of my desire to retake the exam is to get scholarship money. Going to a top-notch school would also be great, too, because graduates of such universities are more likely to get jobs in their field. Or at least that's what the statistics on Above The Law say. I don't know how much of it is true. But if I do go to law school, I want to minimize my risk of doing so as much as possible. Which means not graduating with debt, and going to a respectable school, that will not ostracize me from the market. I am hoping that getting a higher score will help me do that.

 59 
 on: July 24, 2014, 07:22:59 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by silverdoe91
I understand that I won't be qualified for Affirmative Action (since it's made specifically to correct historical inequalities in the admissions process) but I know that law schools generally try to have a diverse student body, and I've heard they like to accept people from diverse backgrounds into their schools, just so they could boast about the diversity of their school, even if that diversity is negligible. For example, I hear some schools like to accept people from different states, just to increase their level of inter-state diversity. Or accept a student from a country that is underrepresented in their college. Does any of that hold true? If so, would I be considered one of these "diversity" targets?

My ethnic group is Bukharian.

 60 
 on: July 24, 2014, 05:49:41 PM 
Started by boomboom - Last post by Miami88
Where do you want to practice and in what capacity?

If you are planning to have your own practice in Naples, then I would just stay at Ave Maria. Anything else and I would recommend strongly considering the transfer.

I personally really like FIU. They have competitive employment prospects and for a fraction of the cost compared to FSU. FIU is also picking up traction. My hunch is they will be in the Top 50 within the next 10 years or so.

If you are dead set to work anywhere in North Florida or even in the South, I would say FSU. If you want to work in South Florida (other than the Naples area), I would say FIU. And if you are not sure of your future but want the best bang for your buck, I would also say FIU.

But those are just my gut reactions to a very general question. You need to think long and hard about your realistic goals and future needs. I would also recommend calling the schools up and speaking to them candidly about whatever your situation is. They may be able to shed light on the decision that we might not be able to.

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