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 41 
 on: September 24, 2014, 02:58:40 PM 
Started by passaroa25 - Last post by FreshlyMinted
CA is pretty notorious for allowing non accredited schools. They used to have agencies on the state level to approved them, BOTH got shut down, so now I think they only have the BBB handle it. So basically a hot dog vender has the same requirements as a "school" in CA anymore

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 on: September 24, 2014, 02:54:50 PM 
Started by jonlevy - Last post by FreshlyMinted
Dear     :

We regret to inform you that Novus Law School does not have degree-granting authority from any recognized U.S. educational entity, nor does attending Novus allow anyone to sit for any bar exam in the United States. 

A listing of schools, including online law schools, that are recognized by the State Bar of California may be found on our website at http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Education/LegalEducation/LawSchools.aspx.  Requirements to sit for the bar exam in California may be found at http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Requirements.aspx

Best Regards,


Office of Admissions

The State Bar of California | 180 Howard Street | San Francisco, CA  94105

(415) 538-2300 | http://admsf.calbar.ca.gov

 

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John, Are you sure you can copy that when it includes that Confidentiality Notice the way it is worded on it? "Disclosure to others is strictly prohibited"

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 on: September 24, 2014, 01:45:23 PM 
Started by jonlevy - Last post by jonlevy
Why ask California? Because NOVUS uses a California phone number and does business in that state, so California has jurisdiction over them.


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 on: September 24, 2014, 01:43:43 PM 
Started by jonlevy - Last post by jonlevy
Dear     :

We regret to inform you that Novus Law School does not have degree-granting authority from any recognized U.S. educational entity, nor does attending Novus allow anyone to sit for any bar exam in the United States. 

A listing of schools, including online law schools, that are recognized by the State Bar of California may be found on our website at http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Education/LegalEducation/LawSchools.aspx.  Requirements to sit for the bar exam in California may be found at http://admissions.calbar.ca.gov/Requirements.aspx

Best Regards,


Office of Admissions

The State Bar of California | 180 Howard Street | San Francisco, CA  94105

(415) 538-2300 | http://admsf.calbar.ca.gov

 

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE : ***This e-mail message may contain confidential and/or privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient.  Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message.***

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 on: September 24, 2014, 12:45:14 PM 
Started by passaroa25 - Last post by jonlevy
However there are rules about making false claims:

"The Novus Juris Doctor - JD program allows the opportunity for bar admission through attorney supervised study and DC bar admission or through Specialized Administrative & National Courts, Agencies & Tribunals."

Attorney Supervised Study would have nothing to do with Novus, these plans operate independently under their own rules.

DC Bar Admission - does have a clause that non  ABA law school grads can qualify to take the bar qualify with an additional 26 hours ABA study BUT since Novus is not registered as a law school with any state, it is not a law school just because it chooses to call itself one.  In my opinion this is a false statement unless Novus can point to a single graduate who qualified to take the DC bar.

Specialized Administrative & National Courts, Agencies & Tribunals - WOTF is a National Court or Tribunal?  Administrative agencies do not confer attorney licenses.  One cannot become a member of a USDC without passing the bar - so what is this balderdash?

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 on: September 24, 2014, 12:28:12 PM 
Started by passaroa25 - Last post by Maintain FL 350
I agree.

It seems like the only gatekeeper activity is the granting or denial of accreditation. But if you don't care about accreditation anyway, so what?

Presumably, you could start a correspondence "law school" in your garage even though you're not a lawyer, never get a single student to pass any state bar exam, and continue to operate with no oversight. Amazing.

Germany has limited the use of terms such as "university" to combat scam diplomas. We could do the same, as the use of terms like "law school" is highly misleading in some circumstances. This seems like a basic consumer fraud issue, but I guess there just isn't any interest in enforcing it.   

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 on: September 24, 2014, 08:19:07 AM 
Started by passaroa25 - Last post by jonlevy
The Director of MASL is Dr Paschal Baxter he has a linked in account.I also think he is graduate of a Calif law school.Novus is very expensive and in my opinion may not be worth it.Using your figures of a passing rate of 20% after passing the baby BAR which also has a very low passing rate does not bide well for the non ABA route to becoming a lawyer .
Novus is dirt cheap, and also NOT ABLE TO SIT THE BAR. So the stats you gave are straight up lies. If anyone sits the bar with Novus they qualified WITHOUT it anyways.

Now I have to ask, does anyone have a link to this "school" that is compared to the illegal fake school with fake stats?
Sorry to multiple post on this, but this is just sad

I am really curious how these so called law schools can operate at all.  Apparently anyone, even a non lawyer, can set up a law school and make claims with impunity?  I thought education was a regulated field, especially law. 

 48 
 on: September 23, 2014, 10:47:52 PM 
Started by flhelms - Last post by flhelms
I really do not want to put the LSAT off waiting my life to be in the right place. If I had things my way, I would be preparing to ace this test and start law school next fall. But that's unlikely to happen. When I lost my job in May I knew the LSAT and law school was what I wanted to do to start over. I'm ready to get life moving. But my finances from losing my job are a complete wreck. So, its more that I am putting off law school for financial and vocational reasons. As you said, I know there are a number of law schools I could get into with my GPA and LSAT score. I feel its more that I need time to prepare for law school. And while I'm at it why not try the LSAT again and try really hard to do better. Because I know I can do better and I want this. I was asked a couple weeks ago if I thought law school was for me and I've done some soul searching and it is what is right for me.

I feel like this time around even though I dedicated a lot of time to prep work it perhaps wasn't the right method or that I rushed through the material without having a through understanding or just simply did not do enough because I didn't take it seriously enough. Admittedly, it is my strong point throughout my prep work, but I had to completely neglect preparing for reading comprehension from running out of time. Maybe I was distracted by being broke and unemployed which left me feeling pretty depressed through this process. I see this week's LSAT as a hurdle to jump and in a way prep for the next one. I've put a lot of effort into this. I'm not chickening out and I'm not going to cancel the score. I'm not a quitter. The fees are an issue as well between being unemployed and denied a fee waiver. But I can get in somewhere if I really wanted to.  I just don't feel ready to go to law school. I feel like a poor performance will be motivation to do better next time. I see myself accepting the challenge and succeeding. The last Prep Test I took I scored a 145. I scored a 151 on another Prep Test. I know I can do so much better.

I've accepted the reality of the LSAT. I'm probably not going to score as well as I'd like and I'd like to retake it in June 2015 to give myself time to prepare thoroughly and to also get more prepared for attending law school in 2016. And retake it to get a better score. I'm right now scoring in the 145-151 range on Prep Tests I would like to get in the 160-165 range which is a lot but I think possible based off my current issues and how much improvement I've made in a short time. The 141 to 151 jump was between one prep test.

I know I'm probably not smart enough nor do I want to go somewhere like Harvard. But I don't want to go to a school that accepts 145 LSAT 3.0 GPA either. I'm probably rambling but I hope I've made my point clear. I'm not putting off the LSAT. I've worked too hard. I'm going to take it Saturday and I may just surprise myself. But thinking logically and usually probability I don't think I will do well enough to satisfy myself. And the test will be just another prep test and in a way the diagnostic for taking the big one in June 2015. Also, my finances are horrible right now. So, I am putting off law school for another year. And to help prepare me for the June 2015 LSAT I am thinking I will take a 7sage course to keep me on track with my prep instead of using self-study.

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 on: September 23, 2014, 07:53:05 PM 
Started by flhelms - Last post by Citylaw
Excellent additional point, yes almost every school takes the highest score so you really have everything to gain and nothing to lose by taking the LSAT.

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 on: September 23, 2014, 07:40:01 PM 
Started by flhelms - Last post by FreshlyMinted
Agreed. Most schools take the HIGHEST score too, so even if you bombed it there is no need to cancel . They used to average out the scores, but almost none do that anymore. Now you could get three 125s (in theory) and one 170 and only the 170 would count.

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