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 on: May 20, 2015, 04:47:59 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by Citylaw
There all kinds of facts that could be brought up, but there is a difference between bringing up relevant facts and irrelevant and keeping your ultimate goal in mind.

All you want of this whole interaction is their blessing to transfer schools and the appropriate paperwork. Focus on getting that done. What they did or didn't do doesn't matter.

You want to keep this as simple as possible not make it complicated. Why do they need to know every fact, detail etc?

Basically all you need to do is say due to my mental health issues, which I am receiving treatment for a series of unfortunate events occurred. As a result of these instances I understand continuing my education at X school is not possible. However, now that I am on a road to recovery I want to pursue my dream of becoming an attorney at a different school. I would appreciate the support of the school to provide any paperwork necessary to assist in my transfer.

Thanks for your time and I look forward to putting these issues behind me.

A four paragraph dissertation about every detail won't help anything. Try to keep it as simple as possible and keep your goal in mind.

All you want is to transfer schools and you need your current school's help. Do not get into any fact disputes etc just get your paperwork.

This is a good quote to live by, "Any fool can complicate things, but it takes a genius to simplify them."

Be smart and keep this request as simple as possible.




 42 
 on: May 20, 2015, 03:50:49 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by opal
I'm not "attacking" anyone.  I'm just saying the facts:  I formally requested educational records, and the request was denied.  How else am I going to express that?

 43 
 on: May 20, 2015, 03:40:36 PM 
Started by Dioxic - Last post by Dioxic
Hey everybody,

I'm an undergrad that's interested in Entertainment or IP law and I've got the opportunity to meet with some in the field who work at a very large talent agency. I'm still exploring the idea of whether or not the field is right for me, so this meeting is a great chance for me to get some insight into the profession.

Do you guys have any suggestions on what questions might be extra pertinent and might help me decide if this is something that I'd really be interested in pursuing?

Thanks!

Regards,

D

 44 
 on: May 20, 2015, 02:55:14 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by Citylaw
Before I begin, I would like for you to know that I formally requested disciplinary records from [Law School] in order to aid me in fully and accurately writing this disclosure to you. [Name of Dean], the Associate Dean for Student Conduct, however, has outright refused to send me the documentation that I required. Therefore, this account is solely based on my memory of the events as they transpired. Any mentions of dates are mere approximations, as my recollection what occurred is somewhat hazy given the fact that I was under the influence of untreated mental illness at the time. As follows is an account of my regrettable disciplinary history at [Law School].

The first two sentences bolded and underlined are extremely defensive and hostile.  You are saying they didn't do things for you, but you were the one that caused the issues. Considering your mental health is already in question it is very possible you may not even requested the documents. As Maintain says you are asking for a favor attacking someone that you are asking for a favor from is generally not a good idea.

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 on: May 20, 2015, 01:59:56 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by opal
What in my essay comes across as defensive?  I clearly express remorse and shame over my past misconduct. 

 46 
 on: May 20, 2015, 01:44:40 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by Maintain FL 350
Ok. It's your application, do as you please.

Keep this in mind throughout the readmission/application process:
You are asking for a favor. In fact, you're asking for a pretty damn big favor that no one is obligated to provide. Your language and actions should always reflect that you are aware of this.

The admissions people at the new law school are going to be skeptical of any application involving disciplinary issues. Given the unusual circumstances of your case, any indication of hostility or ongoing problems is likely to seem amplified. Trust me, they don't want to hear you blame your old school for anything.

I'm not sure that you understand that some of verbage you use comes off as defensive, even though it may be unintended. You've asked for and received objective feedback by non-interested parties. If you want to take it to heart, great. If not, that's cool too. 

 47 
 on: May 20, 2015, 11:53:33 AM 
Started by opal - Last post by opal
I need the first para in order to express why the second para is so general/vague.  If I had the educational records the account would be more detailed, but I don't because the dean refused to send them to me. 

The support group is part of the medical treatment, so I have to include it in the paragraph about treatment. 

 48 
 on: May 20, 2015, 11:49:19 AM 
Started by CLilly18 - Last post by Citylaw
Agree with both posters the pre-law advisor I had was for all intents and purposes useless. Nice enough, but she went to law school 20-30 years ago and had been working as an undergrad professor for the majority of her career. She was nice enough, but nothing she said had any applicability to law school.

As for mental health issues they might be a problem. I would recommend first taking the LSAT and graduating from college if you haven't already. Once you have numbers then you can realistically assess what schools you have a chance at attending.  Once you have that list contact the schools and explain your concerns you can do so anonymously on the phone before applying and see what they say. You should also contact any state bar you are interested in taking and see what if any issues arise with that.

I don't know the extent of your mental health issues, if you killed somebody as a result of them then that is a serious problem. If you were diagnosed with ADD or something not much to worry about.

Also as Loki points out if really bad actions occurred as a result then that is much bigger factor. If you have bi-polar disorder, but you are receiving treatment etc then it really shouldn't be a problem.



 49 
 on: May 20, 2015, 11:48:07 AM 
Started by opal - Last post by Maintain FL 350
Some notes on the addendum:

Paragraph 1:
I'd delete it. Loki is correct, it sounds hostile. I know that you disagree, but as an outsider looking in it sounds hostile. It sounds like there is an ongoing argument with your old school, and that's not what you want to lead with.

Paragraphs 2 & 3:
These are OK. They may ask for specific details.

Paragraph 4:
Way too long. This needs to be more concise. The info about support groups etc is repeated in P5, so I would shorten this by focusing on medical treatment.

Paragraph 5:
Too long, but you're on the right track with summing it all up and focusing on the positive steps you've taken.


 50 
 on: May 20, 2015, 11:38:33 AM 
Started by CLilly18 - Last post by Maintain FL 350
Most colleges have very little in the way of meaningful prelaw advising. My prelaw advisor wasn't even a lawyer, he was a history prof. Here's the "advice" I got: "Look at your LSAT and GPA then apply to schools in your range." Wow, thanks.

Your GPA is already set, so the best thing you can do now is focus on the LSAT. The LSAT is a HUGE piece of the puzzle, probably more important than your GPA. Once you have an actual LSAT score you'll be able to get a good picture of where you have a shot at getting in. Then you need to think about location and career goals. I would check back here once you have a score (or at least a few timed practice scores).

If you want to post your GPA and intended location, that will give at least some indication as to what kind of LSAT score you may need.

As far as mental health issues, it is not an automatic barrier to law school or the bar by any means. But, it really depends on your specific situation and how it has affected your life. Without knowing more it's impossible to say.

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