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 on: June 23, 2015, 05:03:11 PM 
Started by Consigliere3 - Last post by Consigliere3
Hi all,
I plan to take the October 2015 LSAT, when should I apply to law schools?

I am only considering applying to schools in my state and the adjacent state, so my choices are limited. (Must be close to due to family responsibilities)

Would there be any benefit in applying this early for schools that might have an accelerated or a weekend JD program?

Thanks In advance

 on: June 23, 2015, 03:56:34 PM 
Started by cinnamon synonym - Last post by Maintain FL 350
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that 2016 will be a little less predictable than 2008 or 2012. In 2008 the Republicans were doomed. Following the Iraq War and the economic collapse they were going to lose almost regardless of who the Democrats ran.

By 2012, some of Obama's lustre had worn off but he was still relatively popular. The combination of higher than usual minority/young turnout and Romney's general lack of appeal allowed him to squeak out a victory.

In 2016 the conventional wisdom is that demographic trends favor Hillary Clinton. I generally agree, but certain caveats apply.

First, minority and youth turnout will almost certainly be lower simply because Obama isn't running. This may be mitigated by higher than average female turnout, however.

Second, the last few years have not gone too well for Obama. This could result in a rejection of Democratic policies by swing voters. Registered Democrats and registered Republicans tend to vote along party lines no matter the candidate. But in states like Ohio, Colorado, Florida, etc., independent voters will make the decision. If the country is still puttering along economically, they will blame the Democrats.

Last, there is the issue of Hillary herself. She has any ardent supporters, but she also has many detractors. Among independent voters in swing states, she polls badly. Obama polled fairly well among these voters.

The Wildcard
If the Republicans nominate a nut (Ted Cruz/Rand Paul, etc), or can't control the dumber members of the party who make racist/sexist/xenophobic comments, then they'll lose regardless. I have a feeling, however, that they've already begun to reign that stuff in. The about-face by the Republicans in SC over the Confederate flag may be a sign of this. 

Clinton has an electoral vote edge going into the election, and will likely win. However, it will be closer (IMHO) than the last few elections.

 on: June 23, 2015, 01:15:18 PM 
Started by geeklawgirl - Last post by Citylaw
Maintain is offering great advice.

However, like most potential 0L's you are putting the cart before the horse. Your only focus at this point is to get the best LSAT score you possibly can and as Maintain said odds are you will not get a 168-170, but I hope you do. However, even if you get a 153 there are plenty of ABA schools that will accept you. It is important to realize that 99% of lawyers/judges did not attend the top 1% of law schools or score in the top 1% of the LSAT.

This is also true when you enroll in law school whether you attend Harvard or Cooley there is a 90% chance you will not finish in the top 10% of your class. Most law students have a hard time accepting this, because at every ABA school 100% of the students are smart, hard-working, motivated people and 100% of them think they are finishing in the top 10%, but obviously 90% can't.

As to your specific question your paralegal experience won't hurt and it is good that you got your feet with the law before jumping in. However, most incoming law students have some legal experience prior to enrolling in law school and it is not something that will set you apart, but it certainly does not hurt.

However, first and foremost do the best you can on the LSAT and look at your options. Once you have an LSAT score this is a great article about choosing a law school.

 on: June 23, 2015, 12:28:35 PM 
Started by Consigliere3 - Last post by Citylaw
Perfect post Loki.

As he said the LSAT is a test of aptitude and odds are you will not get a 170 no matter how much money you pay to the various test services. They might increase your score slightly, but you could probably also do it for self study.

To make an analogy Matthew Deladova a decent NBA basketball player could take all the classes, train with the best and spend millions of dollars he is never going to be better at basketball than Lebron James even if he sits on his ass and eats donuts all day. Lebron just has 100x more natural talent.

I don't know what your aptitude is, but if you take a practice LSAT odds and say you get a 151 with no study the most you could probably increase is to 160.  I think intense study at the absolute most can raise 10 points based on the factors Loki mentions learning a few of the tricks, but if you have a 3.1 UGPA and got an 1100 SAT the odds of you getting a 170 are extremely low. You could probably get a 155-160 and get into a number of ABA schools, but the chances of Harvard are slim to none.

So to sum it up as Loki says be wary of services that over promise you will have your natural limit. This is just one of the many steps during the law school process where using common sense is paramount.



 on: June 23, 2015, 12:20:01 PM 
Started by geeklawgirl - Last post by Citylaw
I agree with Maintain what you should focus on first and foremost is getting an LSAT score. Plenty of people score far higher on the practice tests myself included, because I gave myself a few extra seconds or took a break here and there. Not to mention to the pressure of the real thing is harder than a practice.

I hope you get a 160 hell a 180, but until you have a real LSAT score there is not much point in thinking about schools. Focus all your law school admission energy on the LSAT now and once you have options really think about what is best.

To answer the question if your goal is to live in the area you are living in go to a school in the area preferably the cheapest option.

I never think it is a good idea to move from the area you want to live in for any school.

Once you have an LSAT score this is a good article outlining how to choose a law school.

 on: June 21, 2015, 10:24:36 PM 
Started by Consigliere3 - Last post by Consigliere3
Thanks to you both for the replies.

I  just want to make sure that whatever choice I make in that one month prior to the beginning. Of the prep course that I spend it wisely preparing.

I've been researching online about the best of the various self study prep books and packets and have been reading mixed reviews about them.  so I don't want to just start prepping with a book or books that will possibly confuse me or work against me.

 on: June 21, 2015, 10:14:29 PM 
Started by Consigliere3 - Last post by Consigliere3
Thank you for your insight.

 on: June 21, 2015, 07:13:54 PM 
Started by Consigliere3 - Last post by Miami88
1) Learn about the exam and strategies on how to tackle it.

2) Practice applying the strategies untimed on individual questions. You should have strong reasons not only why a given answer is correct, but also why the other ones are 100% incorrect. You should jot down at least short hand reasons either way. This process is going to take a long time to internalize (hence why it is untimed).

3) Once you have untimed under control, practice taking full sections (not full exams). Again, don't worry about timing - but do start noting how long it is taking you.

4) Once you have an idea where your timing is, keep practicing on more exams, adding more sections, reviewing your sections after the fact. The more you do this - and the stronger you focus on your strategies - your time will naturally fall down to where it should be. That said, you should start figuring out ways to maximize points. In other words, if you realize you take too long/keep missing Fallacy questions, skip those and keep them for the end - that way, you can spend your time on questions you can knock out quickly and accurately.

5) Once you are doing 3 sections in a row, getting consistent times/scores, move on to full exams. By this point, your timing and scores should be leveled out. The point now is to solidify your game and boost your confidence.

Good luck!

 on: June 21, 2015, 04:10:25 PM 
Started by Consigliere3 - Last post by loki13

First, I would point you to my advice to you in the other thread.

Next, take the approach that maximizes the value for you. Some people do just fine buying books and doing lots of practice questions. Other people prefer a more strutured environment (a class), so that they can feel that they have easily attainable objectives and a requirement to meet. Still others do better with personal one-on-one, and those people might look into hiring someone to help them out. No approach works best for everyone. For me, doing it on my own was great- but each person is different.

My only other advice is that you should maximize your attention on logic games, because that is the area where, for most people, you can achieve gains through prep work.

 on: June 21, 2015, 03:27:07 PM 
Started by Consigliere3 - Last post by Consigliere3
I plan on taking a prep class for the October LSAT.

The prep class doesn't start until late July , (approx a month from now)

What  and how do you recommend I spend this time studying/preparing?

Newbie here, so please help me out.

Any books or materials to buy/not to buy?

Websites to look into/which ones to avoid?

Thanks in advance.

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