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 on: May 21, 2015, 12:21:41 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by opal
I already politely requested all my educational records, and the school outright refused to release them to me.  So my account is just based on my hazy recollection of what transpired. 

 32 
 on: May 21, 2015, 12:17:04 PM 
Started by Dioxic - Last post by Citylaw
Excellent points and I think that reality check goes to every profession. Being a lawyer is often times a lot of fun, but also monatenously boring. However, the same applies to being an NBA basketball player. The games are fun, but the constant travel, press conferences, running over plays, weight room, conditioning, etc are grueling. Movie Stars have to go through hours of make-up, working out, practicing lines etc.

Basically what I think few people realize in college is that there is no absolutely awesome glamorous job. Every single profession has it's pros and cons and is nothing like it is portrayed on T.V.

I work with Cops and Lawyers all the time and I wish it was 10% as exciting as portrayed on T.V.  Some of the stuff happens SWAT Team raids, Court Trials, etc, but 90% of the day is sent drafting documents, reviewing e-mails, going to pointless meetings, etc.

Whatever you choose just be ready for the reality check. I think many lawyers are disillusioned, because they often go from undergrad to law school and don't have that realization earlier. The reality of the real world hits them later in life so just be prepared for it.

 33 
 on: May 21, 2015, 12:10:30 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by Citylaw
Then ask for those dates in a separate letter and be as calm as possible.

Just simply say I would like to request my full student file so I can have the dates for my attempt to transfer as a visiting student. You don't need to say much more than that. If you go into accusatory language etc things don't go well.

So step 1 is get those dates and your student file. All that needs to happen is a simple request for your entire student file. You don't even need to go into specifics about what it is for. Keep it simple.

 34 
 on: May 21, 2015, 11:51:02 AM 
Started by Dioxic - Last post by Maintain FL 350
I worked at an entertainment law firm for a little while. Here are some things to consider:

1) Entertainment law firms are not talent agencies. Many agents are indeed lawyers, but the day to day aspects of the job are quite different. "Entertainment law" is really just a mixture of contract and employment law. As an entertainment lawyer, your day will revolve around contract reviews, contract negotiations, and all of the other incredibly boring stuff that civil attorneys do. You won't be hangin' with celebs by the pool at Chateau Marmont. You'll be sitting in an office feverishly responding to a motion for summary judgment.

2) If your image of entertainment law is in any way shaped by "Entourage", drop that image immediately. 

3) Don't go to law school unless you are prepared to be a lawyer, period. Not an entertainment lawyer, not an IP lawyer, but a lawyer. There is a very high probability that you will not be an entertainment or IP lawyer. Those jobs are few and far between, and the competition is stiff.

Ask yourself "Will I be alright with drafting wills and defending DUIs in the valley if I don't get hired in my desired field?"

 35 
 on: May 21, 2015, 10:27:17 AM 
Started by opal - Last post by opal
Ok explain that in detail. When drafting these letters be sure to explain what it is you want.

You have had a bunch of statements about medications, records, etc, but I was unclear that was your ultimate goal. Getting your ultimate goal across is the number #1 priority.

You may also see if it is possible to transfer without graduating from your school. It is a step backwards, but it that is another way to get you to your ultimate goal of a J.D.

Don't get lost in the muck your goal is to graduate from law school end of story. There are three ways to accomplish that. (1) Restart at your current school and graduate, but this seems highly unlikely; (2) Be a visiting student at X school and graduate from your current school; (3) Transfer to a new school and lose credits.

Figure out the best way to get one of those three paths and leave the other stuff out of it. Your current dosage, your school not turning over records you requested, the names of your therapists, the details of the events that led to your suspension are not relevant to achieving your ultimate goal so don't bring them up.

I have to disclose the details of the events that led to my interim suspension.  The question on the application states: 
"Were you ever dropped, suspended, expelled, warned, placed on probation, or subject to any disciplinary action or charges at
any educational institution you attended? If the answer is yes, please detail the exact nature of the action and the dates on a
separate page or electronic attachment and enclose with your application."

 36 
 on: May 20, 2015, 07:49:49 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by Citylaw
Ok explain that in detail. When drafting these letters be sure to explain what it is you want.

You have had a bunch of statements about medications, records, etc, but I was unclear that was your ultimate goal. Getting your ultimate goal across is the number #1 priority.

You may also see if it is possible to transfer without graduating from your school. It is a step backwards, but it that is another way to get you to your ultimate goal of a J.D.

Don't get lost in the muck your goal is to graduate from law school end of story. There are three ways to accomplish that. (1) Restart at your current school and graduate, but this seems highly unlikely; (2) Be a visiting student at X school and graduate from your current school; (3) Transfer to a new school and lose credits.

Figure out the best way to get one of those three paths and leave the other stuff out of it. Your current dosage, your school not turning over records you requested, the names of your therapists, the details of the events that led to your suspension are not relevant to achieving your ultimate goal so don't bring them up.

 37 
 on: May 20, 2015, 04:56:20 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by opal
Thanks, I am trying to strike a balance between brevity and full disclosure. 

Re: transferring, I have too many credits to transfer.  What I am trying to do is become a visiting student at a local law school.  Visiting means that you take classes at another school but get your degree from your original school. 

 38 
 on: May 20, 2015, 04:52:45 PM 
Started by Dioxic - Last post by Citylaw
It's good to meet with people and I think you should just ask the typically questions of an interview.

However, law school is a three to four year long process. You should become as versed in the pros and cons of attending law school before pursuing a career in entertainment law. It should be noted that very few if any law students that start with a particular field of interest actually end up in that field. When I started law school I thought I would be doing IP Law, but I took an IP Law class and hated it. I ended up becoming a litigation attorney, which is something I never thought I would do as I was terrified of public speaking before law school.

Definitely, meet and then you should ask what this person did to get where they are. You should also try and sit in on an entertainment or IP law class at your local law school. Maybe even go to the bookstore and read the textbook to get some basic understanding.  You might even want to do that before the meeting if possible, just to have something to talk about.


 39 
 on: May 20, 2015, 04:47:59 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by Citylaw
There all kinds of facts that could be brought up, but there is a difference between bringing up relevant facts and irrelevant and keeping your ultimate goal in mind.

All you want of this whole interaction is their blessing to transfer schools and the appropriate paperwork. Focus on getting that done. What they did or didn't do doesn't matter.

You want to keep this as simple as possible not make it complicated. Why do they need to know every fact, detail etc?

Basically all you need to do is say due to my mental health issues, which I am receiving treatment for a series of unfortunate events occurred. As a result of these instances I understand continuing my education at X school is not possible. However, now that I am on a road to recovery I want to pursue my dream of becoming an attorney at a different school. I would appreciate the support of the school to provide any paperwork necessary to assist in my transfer.

Thanks for your time and I look forward to putting these issues behind me.

A four paragraph dissertation about every detail won't help anything. Try to keep it as simple as possible and keep your goal in mind.

All you want is to transfer schools and you need your current school's help. Do not get into any fact disputes etc just get your paperwork.

This is a good quote to live by, "Any fool can complicate things, but it takes a genius to simplify them."

Be smart and keep this request as simple as possible.




 40 
 on: May 20, 2015, 03:50:49 PM 
Started by opal - Last post by opal
I'm not "attacking" anyone.  I'm just saying the facts:  I formally requested educational records, and the request was denied.  How else am I going to express that?

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