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 on: July 27, 2014, 07:27:10 PM 
Started by Azelais - Last post by NewlyMinted
MD/JD joint degree

What did you choose to pursue after getting your degrees? A job in the legal sector, or medical?
I posted it the wrong way. I meant to imply that OP could pursue that.
I am NOT "that guy".  Mad respect for those who do though.

 on: July 27, 2014, 07:24:58 PM 
Started by lopezst1 - Last post by NewlyMinted
169 is a free ride at some T4 schools.
source: Guy who owes the same as someone who owns a nice home and a nice car, but wears a watch he bought from the dollar store.

 on: July 27, 2014, 12:33:32 PM 
Started by lopezst1 - Last post by Citylaw
Columbia, NYU, and Fordham are great schools. However, no school anywhere guarantees you a job.

Whatever law school you choose it will be up to you to graduate, obtain relevant internships, pass the bar, and find the right job for you.

I know you would like there to be some guarantee that choosing X law school will result in success, but there is no way to know. There are plenty of Harvard, Yale, Stanford grads that never passed the bar or found legal employment and plenty of Cooley Grads that passed the bar and went onto successful legal careers. Obviously a degree from Harvard, Yale, and Stanford will open more doors than Cooley, but no school will guarantee you anything it will be up to you as an individual to succeed in the legal profession.

 on: July 26, 2014, 05:58:26 PM 
Started by lopezst1 - Last post by Miami88
Check out:

For detailed data as to the above info and why they are saying that, take some time to check out

In terms of employment prospects, you can ROUGHLY view the US News rankings as the following

T3 - Yale, Harvard, Stanford
These schools offer you as close of a "guarantee" for a job post graduation as you can possibly get. You will have the best chances to get most any job in almost any region and the strongest shot for big name Fed. Clerkships. This is NOT 100%, but as close to it as you can get.

T6 - Columbia, UChicago, NYU
As strong as T3 for employment minus the Fed. Clerkship boost.

T14 - The rest of the T14
A significant notch below T6 employment stats with not that great Fed. Clerkship prospects (i.e. you will need to be at the top 10-20% of your class for a shot at a fed. clerkships). These schools also tend to lean their employment to broad regions (i.e. The Mid West, The South, the east coast, etc), however, if you have connections to another region (ie your undergrad's city or your hometown), you probably have a good shot at landing a job there. You prob. will have little to no issue finding work in a small to medium sized law firm no matter your class ranking (assuming you don't completely fail).

"Honorable Mentions" - Vandy, UCLA, etc.
A big notch below T14 but these schools have ok prospects for big law in the school's same city. Very good chances for small to medium sized law firms within the school's general region (state).

T14 - 120ish
For the most part, basically everyone (all 100+ schools) here are in the same/similar boat as far as employment stats are concerned. Sure, if you are at the top of your class at a top 30 school, you will prob. have a stronger shot at better paying work in your immediate region, but that's about it. Your best chances here (in general) at landing jobs are in the school's immediate region (i.e. same state for the higher ranked schools to the same county/city for lower ranked schools). Very difficult - if not near impossible - for big law, and fat chance for fed. clerkship. Good to okay chances for small/medium sized law firms.

Sub T120 - Some ranked and all unranked schools
Beware. Unless you have family connections for a small law firm, you may face an uphill battle for jobs. Your best bet will be to open up your own practice. Get creative, network, and work your butt off. You should do the prior no matter what school you go to, but even more so here.

That is an immense oversimplification and generalization of US Rankings. You shouldn't base a decision on the above. The above is just a simplified view of employment stats. Although employment stats have gotten much more transparent over the past few years, they are far from perfect. Just because you get into a T14 school, it doesn't mean you will get w/e job wherever you want it. Likewise, just because you go to an unranked school, it doesn't mean you will never get a job.

The general take away is this... the lower in rank a school gets, the more region specific it becomes. Further, the lower in rank a school is, debt becomes more and more of an issue. i.e. Going into $120k of debt for Harvard and wanting to get a job in New York might be worth it. However, going into $120k of debt for the University of Puerto Rico and wanting a job in Chicago probably is not.

So.. you should base your decision on attending a law school on 1) where you want to live afterwards, 2) the debt you will face, 3) your feelings about the particular law school, and 4) as a tie breaker, refer to ranking.

 on: July 26, 2014, 11:45:13 AM 
Started by Azelais - Last post by silverdoe91
MD/JD joint degree

What did you choose to pursue after getting your degrees? A job in the legal sector, or medical?

 on: July 26, 2014, 11:39:21 AM 
Started by lopezst1 - Last post by silverdoe91
How about schools like Columbia, NYU, and Fordham? Do any of those schools fall into the category of highly ranked schools that actually "matter"? I know Fordham isn't as well known as the other two, but in NY its name does carry a lot of weight.

 on: July 26, 2014, 01:02:14 AM 
Started by LSAT Blog - Last post by Groundhog
Logic is usually in the Philosophy department. In rare cases where it's not, it's because of a particular emphasis on logic in general or on the mathematics elements. But most people who get their PhDs in Logic are studying in Philosophy departments.

 on: July 26, 2014, 01:00:12 AM 
Started by CarlossFloress - Last post by Groundhog
In general, the prestige of your undergrad matters very little. Getting a solid GPA and good soft factors matters a lot, so you should go somewhere you will be happy. The price can matter too.

Furthermore, it appears that at least by US News general rankings, UC Santa Barbara is much higher ranked(#41 vs. #91).

In the end, you have to go with the school that feels right or works for other reasons. It will matter very little from a law school admissions perspective.

 on: July 25, 2014, 10:34:27 PM 
Started by LSAT Blog - Last post by atomics
As the charts suggest, the answer to your question is "philosophy, engineering, and math/physics"

Which makes sense as all of those majors are oriented towards critical thinking, which is all the LSAT tests for. I think that most people headed to law school are not about to jump into a physics course, but I would recommend taking a couple philosophy classes if you're interested in training your brain. Formal logic is generally regarded as very helpful, Aristotle may also be a good place to start.

Best luck in your studies.

I have to agree - but I found logic courses to be more effective than philosophy classes in helping develop my critical thinking.

 on: July 25, 2014, 05:32:37 PM 
Started by CarlossFloress - Last post by CarlossFloress
Hello everyone,

I have been accepted into UC Santa Barbara (a public school) and University of San Diego (a private school) as a transfer undergraduate student majoring in philosophy for the upcoming fall semester but I am having difficulty in choosing one or the other. I wanted to ask whether there was any benefit in attending a private school over a public school insofar as private schools are said to be more "prestigious" or reputable, etc. For instance, would law schools find my attending a private school more favorably than my attending a public school?


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