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 on: April 19, 2014, 07:46:40 PM 
Started by sollicitus - Last post by CA Law Dean
I thought I might renew this discussion to get an update on current LL.M. opinions. Our law school (Monterey College of Law) is the first California accredited (non ABA) law school to offer an LL.M. Our first two students are foreign educated lawyers, neither of whom intend to practice law in the US, but will take their experience back to their home countries where they believe that it will give them a unique practice advantage. We have also had inquiries from foreign educated lawyers who wished to use the LL.M. to qualify for the California bar exam. Although this is allowed, when we outlined what we thought was actually necessary to accomplish this feat (vs. just taking their money and wishing them good luck), it is a full-time one year commitment. No one has taken up the challenge yet. Although we are facility based (not online), we have flexibility to design individual LL.M. programs. Just wondering what flavor of LL.M. Programs might be appealing? We will not do tax because we do not have the expertise. We do have unique access to international law and environmental law faculty.

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 on: April 19, 2014, 12:22:41 PM 
Started by jman12 - Last post by CA Law Dean
I fully agree with MFL 350. All of his points are important and worth seriously considering. That said, given the supplemental academic support program that we have at Monterey College of Law (one of the CBE law schools) we have seen success with students who have similar scores to you. However, they have been honest about their need to improve on their undergraduate academic habits and were willing to do the extra workshops and tutoring necessary to bring their study skills and writing up to law school standards. Therefore, if you are willing to dedicate the extra effort, on top of the regular law school curriculum, a program like MCL could be an option for you. Let me know if you have additional specific questions about our program. We also have a conditional admission program that starts the first week of July and provides a ten-session course for pre1L skills such as study skills, time management, stress management, learning styles, and writing. It is taught by our first-year faculty and the Dean of Academic Support.

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 on: April 19, 2014, 12:07:32 PM 
Started by john4040 - Last post by CA Law Dean
Excerpt from Karen Sloan’s article, April 16, 2014, National Law Journal:

Is now the ideal time to enroll in law school? Steven Freedman, assistant dean for admissions at the University of Kansas School of Law, has been making the counterintuitive case that it is.
In a series of posts on the law professor blog The Faculty Lounge, he argues that the relatively small number of people set to graduate with J.D.s in 2017 will mean better job prospects for those who do. In short, the supply of new lawyers will be much more closely aligned with the demand for their services than for the Class of 2013.

“Enroll today or you will miss out on what might be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity,” Freedman wrote on April 10. “Namely, the chance to graduate from law school in 2017-2018, which will likely be one of the best times ever to graduate from law school.”

Read more: http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=1202651438798/Theory%3A-The-Time-Was-Never-Better-to-Enroll-in-Law-School#ixzz2zFaxCxWw

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 on: April 19, 2014, 11:59:50 AM 
Started by Flo2k - Last post by CA Law Dean
Since this topic revived, I might provide an update to the original discussion of summer conditional programs. Our school (Monterey College of Law) started a conditional summer course about six years ago. It was originally an alternative way to evaluate low UGPA and/or low LSAT with our own assessments over a ten session course. We also added a heavy dose of pre-1L prep, such as time management, study skills, stress management, etc.

Fast forward to the present and the course has such a good reputation and is so popular that 80% of the entering class chooses to take it even if they are not conditionally admitted through the program. It is not only because we can demonstrate a noticeable improvement in first semester grades for those who took the course, but the improved emotional balance (stress level) and engagement during the first semester for those who participated. The first year faculty have noted a positive difference as well. We actually added a short session on meditation and hypnotism (I am not kidding) as a possible answer for test anxiety. It was surprisingly popular and several students reported that it made a difference for midterms.

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 on: April 18, 2014, 03:05:26 PM 
Started by FutureLawyer555 - Last post by FutureLawyer555
Hi guys. To those accepted into TAP (and don't mind sharing), please share LSAT score range that you applied with? thanks!

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 on: April 18, 2014, 12:46:48 PM 
Started by kmeyer - Last post by FutureLawyer555
Hi! would you mind sharing your LSAT score range? I am planning to apply to Widener as well and would like to know which scores they accept? thanks!

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 on: April 18, 2014, 12:33:03 PM 
Started by jreed - Last post by Maintain FL 350
Just to expand a bit on Citylaw's comments:

165 is a very good LSAT score, and you can definitely get accepted to a number of schools based on that score. If you need to stay in the Boston area, I would look into UMASS-Dartmouth and Roger Williams in addition to the schools Citylaw listed.

As a splitter you've got to be flexible, because admissions are a less predictable.

Lastly, before you drop over a $100,000 on law school you need to commit yourself to rebuilding your study habits. In undergrad you can put in minimal/non-existent effort and still get a passing GPA. That is NOT the case in law school.

Law school requires self discipline and motivation, and you cannot procrastinate. I don't know what factors led to your 2.02 GPA, but you need to get that issue under control before attempting law school. Your LSAT score indicates intelligence, but in law school that won't be enough. You'll need a very strong work ethic too, or else you will soon be far behind the curve trying to play catch up. In my experience, people in that position often failed out.

Something to consider.

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 on: April 18, 2014, 09:27:39 AM 
Started by mychan24 - Last post by DeltaBravoKS
I agree with the general direction given by the other posters.

The Dean listed a link on the CA bar web site that has information for all the DL schools.  You indicated you are looking in to NWCU.  They have one of the best track records and it is a long record.  You may also want to consider Taft.  They have been around a while too, and they are accredited by DETC, which would benefit nothing in the legal profession, but may help with acceptance of the degree in general, federal financial aid, and employer reimbursement.

Why did you pick Concord in the first place.  Was it all you heard about?  There are quite a few out there.  Do your research as others have suggested and you will likely find something you like.

Finally, as a few others have mentioned, why did you fail?  It is also my understanding Concord's entrance standards are rather low.  If that low hurdle is too low, maybe law study isn't for you.  Some of the DL schools seem to have no entrance standards--except for the money.  We've probably all done bad on a test or two, but you should seriously examine what went wrong and consider how that will affect your study of law for four years.

Good luck.  If you would, please, keep us posted.

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 on: April 18, 2014, 02:28:06 AM 
Started by jreed - Last post by Citylaw
You can get into a number of schools, but Harvard, Yale, etc will not be on the list.

Visit lawschoolnumbers.com for Suffolk here is the link for the past few years there. Someone was put on the waitlist with a 2.33 and 161 LSAT this year.  http://suffolk.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1314

You can also use the site Maintain FL lists the LSAC Official Guide to Law School.

You might also want to consider other Boston area schools like New England; Western New England; and maybe even University of New Hampshire.

a 165 is a solid LSAT score and I think you can be accepted into a number of schools.

Good luck.

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 on: April 18, 2014, 02:04:28 AM 
Started by newbie123 - Last post by Citylaw
If you look at lawschoolnumbers.com for West Virginia with a 2.04 and obtain a 155 it looks like you might have a chance. http://wvu.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1314 .

As for the MBA I do not think you should pursue that path if your ultimate goal is law school. Law school admissions like at undergrad GPA and LSAT. Grad school grades are not taken that seriously most grad schools hand out A's like candy, which is why law school admissions do not take them seriously.

I think you take the LSAT and apply to West Virginia. The admission standards are not that difficult, but you need to get a decent LSAT score to overcome the 2.04 GPA, but it can be done.

Good luck. 


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