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 on: April 23, 2015, 08:15:24 AM 
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 on: April 23, 2015, 07:42:14 AM 
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 on: April 23, 2015, 07:24:07 AM 
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 on: April 22, 2015, 11:48:59 PM 
Started by PhantomBMAN - Last post by Maintain FL 350
I more or less agree with you, Citylaw.

I don't doubt that SCU is as good as any other ABA school. The 13 point drop in one year, however, struck me as unusual. I know that bar pass rates do fluctuate, but that's a big drop.

Like I said, one year's drop in the rate is NOT necessarily indicative of a problem. But, if I were considering spending 100k+ on a law degree I'd want to know why the drop occurred, and whether they were taking measures to remedy the issue.

I guess part of my concern comes from personal experience. When I was in law school (my second year of a four year part time program) my school experienced a significant drop in the pass rate. The administration pretty much brushed off the issue, "Oh, don't worry we'll be back again next year." The next year, the rate was again pretty low. Suddenly, the admin was freaking out because the low pass rate was hurting the school's ability to attract students (money).

They established a whole new bar prep program, hired great instructors, and slowly pushed the numbers up. Now, they're fine but it took a while and hurt their reputation in the meantime.

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 on: April 22, 2015, 09:53:45 PM 
Started by Richardsaro - Last post by Richardsaro
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 on: April 22, 2015, 09:44:42 PM 
Started by XchecoX - Last post by Citylaw
As everyone has asked what are the scholarship conditions. If you can't get them down to good academic standing on the conditions and maybe even ask for living expenses you will have the chance to get an ABA degree for minimal or no debt, which is a solid deal.

I would also negotiate with Cal Western for more money worse thing they will say is no.

As to the quality of the schools I have known solid attorney's from both schools, but obviously neither one is Harvard. However, if you want to end up in San Diego those are solid schools to choose from.

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 on: April 22, 2015, 09:41:17 PM 
Started by PhantomBMAN - Last post by Citylaw
Bar passage rates are down at every school and the reason is that during 2008-2011 you had record numbers of applicants and a very high quality  pool of people to choose from law school bar passage was up at almost every school. Then everyone was saying how crowded law school was and from 2011-to present application numbers are dwindling the quality of the pool has gone down and bar passage rates are going down.

Santa Clara is for all intents and purposes the same. Same professors, same location, etc and it is a perfectly fine school. Also, most importantly of all whether a student passes or fails the bar has far more to do with themselves than the school they attend.

In general students that finish in the top half of any ABA school will pass the bar.

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 on: April 22, 2015, 07:01:02 PM 
Started by PhantomBMAN - Last post by Maintain FL 350
July 2014    60%

July 2013    73%

July 2012    73%

July 2011    76%

July 2010    70%

That's a significant drop in one year. I'd ask why.

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 on: April 22, 2015, 06:50:46 PM 
Started by PhantomBMAN - Last post by Maintain FL 350
Phantom, if you're still here I noticed something today that you may find interesting.

Just out of curiosity, I went on Calbar to look up my alma mater's performance on last July's bar exam. I noticed that Santa Clara only had a 60% first time pass rate.

Although that is not super low in the absolute sense, it does seem quite low for a long established school with relatively decent admissions numbers. I mean, other schools were lower but they were places like Whittier and Thomas Jefferson which have had problems with bar passage rates for years. Other schools like McGeorge were also lower, but so are their admissions numbers so it isn't too surprising.

I seem t remember that when I was in law school a couple of years ago SCU had very respectable pass rates. If the rate has fallen, I'd wonder why? It doesn't necessarily mean anything bad, might just e luck of the draw. One year of low pass rates is not a trend.

BUT, if I were a consumer (and yes, law students are consumers) considering writing a very large check to ANY law school and I noticed this issue, I would ask:

1) what happened?
2) what are you doing about it?


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