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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« Last post by loki13 on November 30, 2016, 07:54:08 AM »
Thanks for the response, brother.

I'm not dead set on the T-14 or anything as I don't really care that much for prestige. I do care where I want to practice and the practice area (public sector) which is why the T-14 plus regional schools offer me the most options.

Live in NC and would like to practice in NC, GA, or TX.  Almost every school I am applying to will have tuition paid for as I don't have any really no aspirations on having a six figure salary or selling my soul to big law.

The key phrase here is "almost every school ... will have tuition paid for[.]" Given that I assume you are early in the admissions process, and that you haven't received admissions + financial offers yet, you must be discussing some other package, such as aid to military vets, that I am less than familiar with. Good for you!

MaintainFL has excellent advice. As you want to practice in the public sector, you should make sure that your total cost of attendance is zero (or close to it). Do not depend on loan forgiveness programs for working in the public sector- allow me to explain.

At this point, you have the same vague desires that most people have when they start law school, "I want to work in M&A." "I want to work in the public sector and do good." "I want to work in international law." There's nothing wrong with that- most applicants have that feeling, and, by far, the three most common motivations are:
1. I want to make money.
2. I don't know what to do with my life after undergrad.
3. I want to help people/do good/work in the public sector.

Here's the thing- the practice of law is very different than the ideals, and you might end up with very different ideas as to what you find appealing after you encounter actual practice during your first two years in law school, during summer jobs, and in clinics. The best way to make sure you keep your options open are to graduate law school with little to no debt.

With that in mind, understand the following-
1. T14 schools are national. Harvard, Yale, etc.? You can pretty much practice in any part of the country that you want to begin with. You will get the interview. However, when people discuss this, they are usually talking about BigLaw or prestigious public sector. They aren't discussing local PD in Montana.
2. Other schools in from 14-100, roughly, or state/regional schools. Your degree and connections will help you in the state, and perhaps the region. But if you want to practice far outside of it, you need to make your own connections and do really well.
3. Past the top 100, you start looking at state/local schools. Schools that place in the state, or the locality (city) of the school.

In law, geography matters. The state that you first practice in has a very good chance to be the state that you always practice in. Bar admissions are not portable. This isn't a hard and fast rule; I've practiced in more than one state. But you should pay attention to it.
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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« Last post by Maintain FL 350 on November 29, 2016, 09:15:01 PM »
I agree with Loki, your GPA/LSAT profile will account for 95% of the admissions decision. That said, a military background and interesting work experience plus maturity will help a little.

I went to law school in my early thirties, and attended a part-time evening program. If you are older than the average student, I would at least consider this option.

Lastly, consider the possibility that a solid local/regional school located in the geographic area in which you want to live may be a better option than a far away school with a higher ranking (especially if it's cheaper).

For example, if you wanted to live in Georgia or Texas (as you indicated) then a degree from UGA or SMU may be more valuable than a degree from UCLA even though UCLA is higher ranked. Of course, a degree from Harvard trumps them all but that's a different story.

In any case, 166 is a great score but it's fairly average for the T14. 3.49, OTOH, is a somewhat low GPA for the T14. I would think about where you really want to live, what you really want to do, and let that guide your decisions.   
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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« Last post by 18d4v on November 29, 2016, 10:48:25 AM »
Thanks for the response, brother.

I'm not dead set on the T-14 or anything as I don't really care that much for prestige. I do care where I want to practice and the practice area (public sector) which is why the T-14 plus regional schools offer me the most options.

Live in NC and would like to practice in NC, GA, or TX.  Almost every school I am applying to will have tuition paid for as I don't have any really no aspirations on having a six figure salary or selling my soul to big law.
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General Off-Topic Board / Re: The Tennessee School Bus Crash - (Help with Homework)
« Last post by loki13 on November 28, 2016, 10:11:20 AM »
Hello my name is Paul, I am taking a Law class at the Univ. of Bridgeport working on an EdD in Education Leadership. We have to come up with a case and do a write up on it. This is within the context of education. I am not a law student, nor do I desire to become one. I just need help with a paper.

Last week the horrible school bus crash in Tennessee happened. I ask if I could use this for a case study. Prof said, 'Yes'

1) What Constitutional Laws apply to this incident?

2) Who might be taking who to court? Under what legal reasons?

3) Who is liable? The driver? The Bus Company? The School district?

4) What cases might I use to support some of the above?

5) Where does seat belt law in school buses fit in?

6) What other issues or topics might I consider?

Thank you anyone for some input. I have a week to write my paper.

Paul

My first piece of advice- don't do this topic. Seriously.

This particular topic is a minefield, and I wouldn't give it to anyone in their first year of law school.

You'd have to find out the following-
1. Was this a private bus company, or was it owned and operated by the school district?
2. Would 1983 (federal law?) apply?
3. You could get the driver for negligence (of course) and the company that employed him for negligent training, policies and practices, supervision etc. - assuming private.
4. Was this a non-delegable duty (from the school district)? If so, what is the standard?
5. What state, municipal, and federal laws may have been observed/broken?
4. Seriously, don't do this.
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Law School Admissions / Re: Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« Last post by loki13 on November 28, 2016, 10:02:09 AM »
A search turned up a couple of threads but most seemed to be 5+ years old and I was wondering if anyone had more recent experiences with the admissions process.

I am in my early 30's, with 12 years military experience (4 in intelligence as a linguist and 8 years in the Army Special Forces as an 18D).  My numbers are a bit below the medians for T14 but I've had a couple buddies go through years back and they all said just apply for all the T14 schools, especially since many would give you a fee waiver if you ask.

I have a 3.49 GPA and a 166 LSAT.  I do believe I have some unique softs and life experience that set me apart from many of my younger, more energetic applicants but it doesn't change the fact many adcoms don't care.  Apart from NU and Georgetown, what schools would seem to value work experience more than others?

Looking at UVA, Michigan, UNC, Penn, and UT in addition to NU and GU.

I assist occasionally with my law school's admissions department, and I had somewhat similar circumstances to yours.

My quick advice-

First, you are a non-traditional law school student (that's the term they use when you take significant time off from ug - undergrad). As such, you are going to be at a slight advantage; law schools don't care at all about "soft factors" (everything except uGPA + LSAT), except they do care, a very very little bit, for non-trads. So you'll get a (very) slight boost from that.

Second, your LSAT is excellent. If you are set on T14s, apply to several. Also apply to some safety schools and/or a good state school in the state you live in. This is both just in case, and so you can get an idea of the comps for fees/tuition.

Good luck.
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Law School Admissions / Military/WE Friendly Schools?
« Last post by 18d4v on November 26, 2016, 07:21:16 AM »
A search turned up a couple of threads but most seemed to be 5+ years old and I was wondering if anyone had more recent experiences with the admissions process.

I am in my early 30's, with 12 years military experience (4 in intelligence as a linguist and 8 years in the Army Special Forces as an 18D).  My numbers are a bit below the medians for T14 but I've had a couple buddies go through years back and they all said just apply for all the T14 schools, especially since many would give you a fee waiver if you ask.

I have a 3.49 GPA and a 166 LSAT.  I do believe I have some unique softs and life experience that set me apart from many of my younger, more energetic applicants but it doesn't change the fact many adcoms don't care.  Apart from NU and Georgetown, what schools would seem to value work experience more than others?

Looking at UVA, Michigan, UNC, Penn, and UT in addition to NU and GU.
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Politics and Law-Related News / Re: POTUS
« Last post by cinnamon synonym on November 25, 2016, 06:58:41 AM »
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General Off-Topic Board / The Tennessee School Bus Crash - (Help with Homework)
« Last post by pgruhn on November 24, 2016, 05:31:27 AM »
Hello my name is Paul, I am taking a Law class at the Univ. of Bridgeport working on an EdD in Education Leadership. We have to come up with a case and do a write up on it. This is within the context of education. I am not a law student, nor do I desire to become one. I just need help with a paper.

Last week the horrible school bus crash in Tennessee happened. I ask if I could use this for a case study. Prof said, 'Yes'

1) What Constitutional Laws apply to this incident?

2) Who might be taking who to court? Under what legal reasons?

3) Who is liable? The driver? The Bus Company? The School district?

4) What cases might I use to support some of the above?

5) Where does seat belt law in school buses fit in?

6) What other issues or topics might I consider?

Thank you anyone for some input. I have a week to write my paper.

Paul
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Politics and Law-Related News / Re: POTUS
« Last post by cinnamon synonym on November 23, 2016, 04:38:51 PM »
...89174....people need to read the above post....

I know many people view this particular thread....

I am happy, many of you know I have been on point with this election from the beginning...

I hope someone who knows Rodham personally tells her to read the last post.

I've met Clinton personally and can tell you, in one word, how most people who know her, think of her when they remove all their personal bias.

Hillary Rodham is "disingenuous".

I dismissed her approach to me and said, "You're right, now why don't you yourself go into the kitchen and light a fire under somebody's ass and get this thing started?  I'm an invited guest."
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Politics and Law-Related News / Re: POTUS
« Last post by cinnamon synonym on November 23, 2016, 04:24:10 PM »
Hillary Rodham and the fickled fuching finger of fate

Once upon a time I pondered ms. Rodham as president.  She is a rube from Scranton Pennsylvania suburbs.  This was back after I watched the Clintons attempt to make a grand entrance out of a double door Victorian to speak to a throng of voters.  The door would not open-as they thought they could orchestrate this "bit" for "the electorate"......failure....it took them 10 minutes to get the door open....many political jokes and poking fun while we waited....

To be fair....i couldn't give a pigs ass who or what they represented.

But I watched with some suspicion....1992

Bill Clinton lied about having an affair...but Hillary Rodham truly enabled bill because she had a long plan.....one which in which she sabotaged herself, in the end and began an evening of destructive behavior and explosive temper so deep that she could NOT face her supporters.

Hillary spoke for hours to the American people in a pink dress----it was bullshite enabling of her husbands dalliances...all b.s.

Hillary Rodham claimed to have arrived in Bosnia during the late nineties under a pelting of snipers and lead....

Warner Wolf said, "lets go to the videotape"....hillary and Chelsea arrived to flowers and smiles...they waved....

That day, I changed my opinion of her and realized--since I am an expert in human behavior and a human lie detector--Hillary Clinton I a congenital liar.

Hillary Rodham wanted to make Libya her success story....

She wanted, as her slime weasel, "Alfred Rosenberg" type--Sidney Blumenthal---- to make a grand entrance to a fawning press conference where she could say....

I have rid us of kadhafi and have a successful standing embassy in Benghazi....and our efforts to build a democracy are underway....

Benghazi is the beginning of the end for Rodham....utter, 3am failure...while she failed miserably to recognize that ambassador Stevens needed help....so under prepared for a genuine guerrilla warzone.

No genuine remorse from Rodham...why were we investigating her actions when she had orchestrated a "paper Mache" "arb" as she likes to use Scranton Pennsylvania accent when not using a "black voice imitation" when speaking to black southern churches.....please, such disingenuous pandering to black people...sucks to be fooled....and many folks have been duped by the shoot and jive and whatever.

What difference does it make? And why are we trying to look backwards?

Because Hillary--- you fuches up.  You ruined peoples lives...and most "sinful" and grievous, you lied to dead son's mothers about "getting to the one who made the video"...

That act alone is how grace, karma, kismet returns to roost....

Hillary Rodham Los the election THAT very day she testified...because the press tried to make it seem that she was correct and presidential....but the voters were not to be fooled, again by Rodham.

Like Watergate, like Waterloo....Benghazi and Hillary Rodhams actions or lack of action there coat her the election...

You can almost trace Benghazi and its timeline to the election over the timeline of Watergate....

Hillary Rodham and Richard Nixon have a great deal in common.

Finally, its over for Rodham....she will now bake cookies....and maybe go to jail...unless Obama pardons her....

Lets see if the parallels continue...

Bye, Hillary.  Good riddance.
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