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 on: Today at 10:42:03 AM 
Started by flhelms - Last post by Citylaw
I see many people do this and continually put off the LSAT, which puts their whole life on hold. It sounds like you have put in a lot of effort for the LSAT. If you really think you put in a good faith effort on the LSAT then take it this Saturday.

Or you can put it off until 2016 and you will likely have the same pre-test jitters and put law school off until 2018. So many people I went to undergrad with put off the LSAT for years and I graduated and pass the bar while they were still putting their life on hold waiting to take the LSAT.

If you do not perform well then maybe law school is not for you, and there is no shame in that. If you get a 150 you will have a few options. With a 3.0 150 there are between 10-20 ABA law schools you can get into. Harvard is not an option, but 99% of lawyers did not go to Harvard.

Basically, just ask yourself will you really put in your more effort next time you take the LSAT or will this situation be the same? If your parents divorced, your girlfriend/boyfriend broke up with you, and were getting evicted from your apartment then you might have enough distractions to put the LSAT off, but from your post it sounds like none of those factors are present.

That is the other thing to consider life throws a lot of curveballs your way, and all those things may come in 2016 even if your really prepared, and put the test off longer.


Don''t make life complicated take the LSAT and get a score. Once yo have a score you can know whether law school is an option or not, and more importantly you will feel relief taking the test. Even if you do poorly it takes a lot of courage to put yourself out there, and actually take the LSAT. Many people spend years talking about it, but never get score, which is really sad in my opinion.

Good luck whatever you decide.

 on: Today at 01:30:28 AM 
Started by Rafiki88 - Last post by @_@
I think we are saying (for the most part) the same thing but in different ways.
I think we just differ in our definitions of "a few" vs "a lot". Let's just say I know a lot personally, but mixed in with all JD holders in the world, they are a finite minority. (I have been interesting places and met interesting people for interesting reasons)

As to your comparison, I still don't think you get what I was trying to get at. DURING vs PRIOR. Its as simple as that. Think of it this way. You have an employee/tenant/wife (whatever) who was a bad person, you decide to cut them a break when others might not, but if they do those bad things TO YOU AFTER THAT its different.

And to be fair, I've known people who were suspended after going to jail who got their license back too. The world is a bigger place than CA, which isn't as liberal on all things as you might think. Think about comparing its hardest bar in the nation (arguably) to WI no bar at all for instate grads.

Overall, I think you and I can both at least agree OP is fine. Yes look into the specific area in question, but heck with Online LLM options being ABA approved now, I don't think its an issue too much at all. If one says no, keep applying. OP will get a yes. 100% promise it.

 on: Yesterday at 11:35:35 PM 
Started by flhelms - Last post by flhelms
I am taking the LSAT on Saturday September 27. If I perform similar to how I've been doing on PrepTests, I will be lucky if I get a 150. And with a less than stellar college transcript that's not good (GPA around 3.0).  My diagnostic was a 141 I think if that. I've read nearly two-thirds of the PowerScore Bibles. And a little less than half of The LSAT Trainer. I've been using 7 Sage videos some for LG prep and explanations. I ran out of time to study for reading comprehension and I am still not a giving a strong performance in any of the other sections. Time and guessing a lot being my biggest downfall. But there are major question types in LR that I am just not getting. PowerScore seemed to me to be more aligned to the way I think. But it is very detailed and at times too much information.

I feel I will more than likely retake the test. Due to a dire financial situation, I will probably wait until June to retake it. And I will start law school in 2016. I'm not a morning person anyway. Being in school won't be an issue with finding time to study. I was thinking of taking an LSAT prep course. Right now I am deciding in between taking a PowerScore course or a 7 Sage course.  PowerScore is significantly more expensive but may be more tailored to my learning style with detail and in person teaching. Regardless, cost may have to be the deciding factor. However, 7 Sage has been excellent prep especially for help on LG. And seems to be very visual which is also suited to my learning style. So I wanted to ask if anyone had any experience with either course and any pros and cons I may not be considering.

Thank You.

 on: Yesterday at 09:45:17 PM 
Started by Rafiki88 - Last post by Maintain FL 350
Yes, rules definitely vary state to state. My point was just that I doubt that "lots" of law students have felony convictions. A few, yes. And of those few some will get admitted and some won't depending on the nature of the felony, how much time has passed, etc. My understanding is that most states will pretty much automatically reject a felon, period.

The reason I brought up CA's disbarment proceedings is to illustrate that even in one of the most liberal jurisdictions felonies are taken very seriously. If they're going to disbar a lawyer who gets a felony, then I doubt they'll admit a new member with a felony absent extenuating circumstances.

 on: Yesterday at 08:35:33 PM 
Started by passaroa25 - Last post by @_@
The Director of MASL is Dr Paschal Baxter he has a linked in account.I also think he is graduate of a Calif law school.Novus is very expensive and in my opinion may not be worth it.Using your figures of a passing rate of 20% after passing the baby BAR which also has a very low passing rate does not bide well for the non ABA route to becoming a lawyer .
Novus is dirt cheap, and also NOT ABLE TO SIT THE BAR. So the stats you gave are straight up lies. If anyone sits the bar with Novus they qualified WITHOUT it anyways.

Now I have to ask, does anyone have a link to this "school" that is compared to the illegal fake school with fake stats?
Sorry to multiple post on this, but this is just sad

 on: Yesterday at 08:33:49 PM 
Started by passaroa25 - Last post by @_@
Some of the California distance learning and correspondence law degrees are recognized by other academic instutions - Taft, California Southern, Southwestern, and Henley-Putnam are accredited by DETC.
Even if one does not pass the bar - the degree has some recognition as opposed to ones that don't or like MA$L never will.
DETC is national, most don't respect that. If you want to aim for that, go to Concord at least they are Regional (the only one that is I think)

 on: Yesterday at 08:32:56 PM 
Started by passaroa25 - Last post by @_@
All that sounds good but really means nothing .I think a MBA or PHD from University of Phoenix or AIU   well known on line schools, WOULD   BE MONEY BETTER SPENT..

You are only kidding, right??
How so, seems spot on to me.
Even more so when you factor in Regional Accrediting vs non accredited at all

 on: Yesterday at 08:31:03 PM 
Started by passaroa25 - Last post by @_@
How do you know if there are any lawyers on there staff.Who reviews there work.?WHY IS CALIF the standard for non ABA SCHOOLS ? i THINK WITH ALL THE CALIF schools and the amount of students who get all the way to passing the REAL BAR the #s are not good.I think   WITH OUT GOING TO A ABA approved school your chances of be coming a lawyer in any state is very low..
their (multiple times)
without is one word
not sure if I've even since CALIF as an abbreviation
I not I

not sure how to deal with that

 on: Yesterday at 08:27:45 PM 
Started by passaroa25 - Last post by @_@
If you don't like to speak disrespectfully of the deceased, then don't!
Its ok to speak reality, his post was pretty respectful all things considered.
Reality doesn't stop being reality once you die.

 on: Yesterday at 08:22:24 PM 
Started by Rafiki88 - Last post by @_@
LOTS of JD students have felonies who later get licensed just fine as well.

I don't think lots of JD students have felonies, and then get licensed. Misdemeanors , yes, but not felonies. Even in CA (which is pretty lax) a felony conviction results in disbarment proceedings.

If someone has a felony they better check with their state bar before spending three years and $100k on law school.
I know a few personally. As for disbarment, that is post license. Apples to corncrops.
I'm not saying don't check with your homestate either, since yes it does vary by state (thus why I said outright that you can get into schools without being able to get licensed in that state)
I also used it as an extreme example to show OP to relax.

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