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 on: Today at 07:50:12 PM 
Started by Azelais - Last post by Groundhog
Keep planning on attending med school. Law school will always be there, and requires significantly less preparation than medical school; just the LSAT, really. Similarly, the LSAT is an aptitude test—while you can study for it, it isn't the same as a test that requires scientific knowledge, like the MCAT. Being naturally good at it doesn't mean you need to go to law school. Chances are you're better than 80% of your peers in writing, math, and science, but the math and science classes tend to weed people less dedicated or skilled out.

Your major doesn't really matter for law school, and, if you meet the pre-med requirements, doesn't matter so much for med school either. 't you can, take only the minimum pre-med classes. It's not actually more than a couple years in each subject, so if you want to switch or double major in something, you can still do it and meet med school requirements.

It's unlikely that switching majors and classes at this point could improve your GPA *that* much, so I would only switch completely if you're absolutely sure you'll never want to go to medical school and are 100% positive you want to do law school.

There's nothing wrong with having law as a Plan B, as long as that's not the only reason you decide on it. Don't decide to do it just because med school doesn't work out the first time around or seems hard. Remember, it will always be there, and admissions requirements are getting easier, not harder, right now.

One thought: Don't work and attend school, especially with difficult classes. I know this may be financially difficult(I had to work through school as well) but it inevitably hurts GPA. After a JD or MD, you won't be sweating an extra couple thousand in loans, but during admissions you might sweat that .1 or .3 GPA difference it could make. Just a thought.

 on: Today at 07:40:06 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by Groundhog
Foreign applicants absolutely do not get any kind of boost in JD acceptances. Think about it—they've most likely received their entire education in another country, another legal system. On top of that, there are potential English issues.

The one exception could be if your race is considered a true URM in America and the law school needs to check more boxes of that type.

But in my experience, foreign applicants are evaluated separately, and somewhat less favorably, than U.S. candidates. That doesn't mean that a 4.0/180 from Oxford is any less good than the same from Yale, as both are English-speaking, but going to a top university in Japan, for example, isn't the same.

 on: Today at 12:29:19 PM 
Started by lopezst1 - Last post by silverdoe91
Check out:

For detailed data as to the above info and why they are saying that, take some time to check out

In terms of employment prospects, you can ROUGHLY view the US News rankings as the following

T3 - Yale, Harvard, Stanford
These schools offer you as close of a "guarantee" for a job post graduation as you can possibly get. You will have the best chances to get most any job in almost any region and the strongest shot for big name Fed. Clerkships. This is NOT 100%, but as close to it as you can get.

T6 - Columbia, UChicago, NYU
As strong as T3 for employment minus the Fed. Clerkship boost.

T14 - The rest of the T14
A significant notch below T6 employment stats with not that great Fed. Clerkship prospects (i.e. you will need to be at the top 10-20% of your class for a shot at a fed. clerkships). These schools also tend to lean their employment to broad regions (i.e. The Mid West, The South, the east coast, etc), however, if you have connections to another region (ie your undergrad's city or your hometown), you probably have a good shot at landing a job there. You prob. will have little to no issue finding work in a small to medium sized law firm no matter your class ranking (assuming you don't completely fail).

"Honorable Mentions" - Vandy, UCLA, etc.
A big notch below T14 but these schools have ok prospects for big law in the school's same city. Very good chances for small to medium sized law firms within the school's general region (state).

T14 - 120ish
For the most part, basically everyone (all 100+ schools) here are in the same/similar boat as far as employment stats are concerned. Sure, if you are at the top of your class at a top 30 school, you will prob. have a stronger shot at better paying work in your immediate region, but that's about it. Your best chances here (in general) at landing jobs are in the school's immediate region (i.e. same state for the higher ranked schools to the same county/city for lower ranked schools). Very difficult - if not near impossible - for big law, and fat chance for fed. clerkship. Good to okay chances for small/medium sized law firms.

Sub T120 - Some ranked and all unranked schools
Beware. Unless you have family connections for a small law firm, you may face an uphill battle for jobs. Your best bet will be to open up your own practice. Get creative, network, and work your butt off. You should do the prior no matter what school you go to, but even more so here.

That is an immense oversimplification and generalization of US Rankings. You shouldn't base a decision on the above. The above is just a simplified view of employment stats. Although employment stats have gotten much more transparent over the past few years, they are far from perfect. Just because you get into a T14 school, it doesn't mean you will get w/e job wherever you want it. Likewise, just because you go to an unranked school, it doesn't mean you will never get a job.

The general take away is this... the lower in rank a school gets, the more region specific it becomes. Further, the lower in rank a school is, debt becomes more and more of an issue. i.e. Going into $120k of debt for Harvard and wanting to get a job in New York might be worth it. However, going into $120k of debt for the University of Puerto Rico and wanting a job in Chicago probably is not.

So.. you should base your decision on attending a law school on 1) where you want to live afterwards, 2) the debt you will face, 3) your feelings about the particular law school, and 4) as a tie breaker, refer to ranking.

Thank you for that overview, it was very insightful. Not having debt when I graduate is definitely a priority for me, so I was thinking of maybe getting a full ride to a lower ranked school, to eliminate that monetary concern. But if I do that, I am worried that that will greatly lower my chances at employment, bc as of now, I don't have any connections! :/

 on: Today at 12:24:17 PM 
Started by lopezst1 - Last post by silverdoe91
169 is a free ride at some T4 schools.
source: Guy who owes the same as someone who owns a nice home and a nice car, but wears a watch he bought from the dollar store.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'd have to study again and retake the test and *hopefully* increase my score by 10 points in order to do that...

 on: Today at 12:19:06 PM 
Started by Azelais - Last post by silverdoe91
MD/JD joint degree

What did you choose to pursue after getting your degrees? A job in the legal sector, or medical?
I posted it the wrong way. I meant to imply that OP could pursue that.
I am NOT "that guy".  Mad respect for those who do though.

As notable as it is to be able to pursue both degrees (and survive), what is the purpose of actually getting both degrees simultaneously? It's not like you can practice both professions at the same time (I imagine it would be quite impossible, even if one does forego sleep entirely).

 on: Today at 12:14:23 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by silverdoe91
No, I was born in Uzbekistan.
Behind the curtain?

If so that might be a really good argument. Otherwise you might just be treated as any foreign student. (ex: someone from Japan)

What do you mean by "Behind the curtain"?

If you're referring to whether or not I was born when the country was still part of the Soviet Union, then yes, but only 3 months later the country gained its soverneighty so I don't think that makes much of a difference.  :P

I think a foregin student, such as someone from Japan would definitely have a leg up in the admissions process, simply because being a transfer student is so rare, as well as learning the English language etc., but I don't think I have that benefit, because I was basically raised in America, so I am not considered "Foreign." I'm an immigrant, but I'm still American.

 on: Today at 12:10:27 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by silverdoe91
If it weren't for this job, I would have, of course, started studying a long time ago. I was originally planning to take the June LSAT, because it would give me more leeway in terms of preparing for the exam, and retaking it if need be, plus organizing my applications for law school. But I had it put it on hold when I got this job, because I wanted to save up some money to do this in the first place. Now that I have enough money to do this, I am wondering if it's too late for me to start studying now. (If it is too late, quitting my job would be pointless.)
Take it raw. I wouldn't say this for the bar exam, but if you don't have time for the lsat prep, just take it raw.
I knew guys who did better raw than those who studied. 99% of it is your own ability.

Also, FYI they send prep materials with the ticket (albeit limited, but enough to get a feel for it)

I don't think the prep materials they send will be helpful at all, because I probably already used them the first time I took the test. Also, I already studied for seven months prior to taking the LSAT the first time around, so if I don't make a significant improvement in both my score and, thus my study habits, there's really no point in taking the test over again.

 on: Today at 02:27:08 AM 
Started by fanbai - Last post by fanbai
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 on: Yesterday at 07:34:14 PM 
Started by boomboom - Last post by NewlyMinted
So i need to choose which law school to transfer to. I have a full scholarship at Ave Maria, but have no scholarships at FIU & FSU. I'm in the top 10% at Ave Maria and will lose my ranking when i transfer. Help please!
full ride or partial?

 on: Yesterday at 07:32:22 PM 
Started by silverdoe91 - Last post by NewlyMinted
No, I was born in Uzbekistan.
Behind the curtain?

If so that might be a really good argument. Otherwise you might just be treated as any foreign student. (ex: someone from Japan)

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