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 on: Today at 01:52:05 AM 
Started by shellhead - Last post by Citylaw
I am familiar with all of these schools and each one will give you a high quality legal education. 

One thing to careful about with the scholarships at any of these schools though is the stipulations. I believe all of them require a 3.0 GPA to maintain your scholarship, which is very misleading to incoming law students. Law school is a lot different than undergrad and I believe at each of these schools only 35% of the class can have a 3.0 at the end of first year, which means there is a 65% chance you will lose your scholarship at Santa Clara or GGU. You can negotiate for better conditions, but you need to and should  bring it up if you are attending a school based on the scholarship.
 
I have visited and been on all four of these campuses multiple times and I have strong feelings about each one some positive and some negative.  My two cents USF has a beautiful campus and I like the neighborhood; Santa Clara is in San Jose South Bay, which is not an area I like and I feel there is a smugness from that school; Hastings is an ugly campus in the heart of the Tenderloin and my least favorite of all the schools; GGU is probably the ugliest of all the campuses; but it is in downtown San Francisco and probably has the most supportive student environment.

However, those are my opinions and what I as an anonymous internet poster thinks should have no bearing on your life altering  $100,000 3 year commitment. With that I strongly encourage you to visit each school talk to professors; admins; students; alumni; walk around the campus; the neighborhoods; and after each visit your gut will give you a feeling.

Of these four schools there will be one you do not like I guarantee that as they all have different cultures, but listen to your own gut when visiting the school nobody knows what you will like best better than yourself.

As to the quality of education at any of these schools or any ABA school for that matter you will learn the same exact thing. Your first year will consist of Torts; Contracts; Civil Procedure; Property; and Criminal Law; and you will read Supreme Court Cases. At many of these schools you will have the same professors.

Peter Keane for example has and does teach Constitutional Law at Hastings; Golden Gate; and University of San Francisco. Hastings Bio for Keane;  http://www.uchastings.edu/academics/faculty/facultybios/keane/index.php
GGU Bio for Keane http://law.ggu.edu/faculty/bio/peter-keane


Michael Zamperini has and does teach Torts at Hastings and Golden Gate. Hastings bio http://www.uchastings.edu/academics/faculty/facultybios/zamperini/index.php and GGU bio https://law.ggu.edu/faculty/bio/michael-r-zamperini

I could provide endless examples, but these schools are all interconnected and the education you receive will for all intents and purposes be identical. After three years you will then end up in cramed BarBri course with students from each school then take the California Bar Exam in an even more crowded Convention Center. If you pass the California Bar you are a lawyer regardless of the school you attended and any of these schools will provide you with a bar exam ticket and the legal knowledge to pass the exam.

One difference between the two schools is that Hastings and Golden Gate have very active mock trial teams while USF and SCU do not. Mock Trial competitions are one of the unique things that some schools offer and if litigation is something you are really interested in then Hastings or GGU might provide more opportunities than SCU or USF.



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 on: Yesterday at 02:21:45 PM 
Started by shellhead - Last post by shellhead
First time posting after being a long time lurker.
I've been accepted into the following schools, in the order listed below, with the following awards:
  • Santa Clara University, $10,000/year
  • University of San Francisco, $27,000/year
  • Golden Gate University, full tuition
  • (UC Hastings, waitlist)

Some background information about myself:
  • Strong interest in IP law
  • I would like to remain in the Bay Area
  • I attended USF for undergrad, graduated a semester early in Dec.
  • 3.23 GPA, 156 LSAT
  • LOTS of soft qualities (i.e., interships, work experience)
  • Applied quite late (March)

I'm not too heavily concerned with rankings, unless it comes down to quality of education, employment prospects, and passing the bar (otherwise I would have jumped for GGU right away). I've heard plenty of mixed reviews about each school from family and friends, and wanted to open the discussion to everyone here...please share your thoughts!  :)

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 on: Yesterday at 01:59:31 PM 
Started by jgeorgi21 - Last post by jgeorgi21
which law school should I attend rutgers newark law school or seton hall? no money given by either school

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 on: April 22, 2014, 08:11:50 PM 
Started by kmeyer - Last post by FutureLawyer555
I have already researched and reviewed all of that information long before I thought about applying to law school. I just want some insight from someone who had already gotten in. My apologies if I had offended you. Thanks anyways.

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 on: April 22, 2014, 10:47:32 AM 
Started by Lawgirl67 - Last post by Citylaw
The 3.0 GPA requirement is a something used by most law schools. It is a bit misleading and you are right to ask this question.

Law school is much different than undergrad in that law school is based on a strict curve. At most schools only 35% of the first year class can have a 3.0 GPA, which means there is a 65% chance any scholarship student will not keep their scholarship for years two and three.

It is also important to understand everyone is smart, hard working, and motivated and on the first day of school everyone thinks they will be in the top 10% of the class and there is no way they will not be in the top 35%, but you do not need to be math major to understand how that plays out when first year grades come out.

With that said you might want to negotiate for more favorable scholarship conditions. As an incoming law student say I will attend if you give me a scholarship subject to merely being in good academic standing or something less difficult than a 3.0.

Many law students do not realize they are paying customers and should do everything they can to get the best deal possible. Congrats on getting a scholarship and your acceptance to law school.




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 on: April 22, 2014, 10:35:21 AM 
Started by PetePaparazzo - Last post by Citylaw
You should not defer unless you have a good reason. Why are you considering deferring until next year?

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 on: April 22, 2014, 08:02:15 AM 
Started by ItsTribbey - Last post by Miami88
Great news!

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 on: April 21, 2014, 10:58:15 PM 
Started by sollicitus - Last post by CA Law Dean
Thanks. Will keep you in mind. Have enjoyed your posts.

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 on: April 21, 2014, 09:06:32 PM 
Started by kmeyer - Last post by kmeyer
I"m sure many others would agree that LSAT scores are personal.  No, I will not share my score.  If you are interested in score ranges for Widener, this information is public on the school website, and there is also information on scores on the LSAC website.  You can do simple research to get your answers.

I am looking for possible study group individuals.

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 on: April 21, 2014, 04:59:59 PM 
Started by Lawgirl67 - Last post by Lawgirl67
Can you please add University of St. Thomas School of Law to the thread?  I am curious to hear what people think of the school.  Thank you!

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