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 on: Yesterday at 09:47:07 PM 
Started by ace52387 - Last post by ace52387
I'm a hospital pharmacist without any overt gripes about my profession or job currently. On the other hand, I cannot see myself doing this forever. I do enjoy the field of medicine and I would like to know what my prospects and options are regarding law school and a career as an attorney.

My GPA in school was a 3.1, but I believe with good preparation I can score well on the LSAT. With what I've got and a best-case-scenario LSAT score of 170-175, what would my options be?

As far as what I should look into to further evaluate whether or not I should take the plunge, what niche might my credentials and experience be suited for? I've considered IP law but my real interest would lie more around litigation and regulation in the field of medicine. Legal counsel for a hospital or a pharmaceutical company maybe? Or simply working as a medical specialist in big/mid law? I've read in other discussions that there is no benefit to having any credentials; that experts fill that role, but I feel as if my own understanding of medical sciences may help with evaluating and analyzing research materials.

Thanks in advance for your help

 on: Yesterday at 08:14:00 PM 
Started by shawng818 - Last post by Citylaw
Congrats on your acceptances and scholarship offers. Choosing a law school is a life-altering and difficult decision and remember I along with anyone else on this board is nothing more than an anonymous internet poster so take advice you receive with a grain of salt.

With that said I believe any incoming 0L should consider the following five factors when choosing a law school. (1) Location; (2) Cost; (3) Personal feelings about the school; (4) Understanding the reality of legal education; (5) Last and least U.S. News Ranking. I will apply each of these factors to your situation below.

1) Location:
It looks like you have narrowed it down to Southern California, which is good. Many people myself included as a clueless 0L apply to law schools all over the country expecting that they can just pick up and move after graduation anywhere they want, which is not the case.

With that said your options are San Diego or Malibu pretty solid choices, but I am from L.A. and know there are some minor cultural differences between San Diego and Malibu, which are worth considering wherever you attend law school will be three years of your life and if you go to school at Pepperdine odds are you will end up in L.A. if you attend law school in San Diego you will end up in San Diego.

2) Cost
It also looks like you have put thought into this, but one thing I strongly consider that you do with both schools is negotiate for more scholarship money and better conditions. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by asking for more money and better conditions. You are a qualified student and so qualified in fact that they are willing to take you on at a discounted rate. As a 0L you have all the bargaining power, but as 0L you are often not smart enough to realize that I know I wasn't, but once your enrolled that bargaining power is gone. Kind of a catch 22.

I guess I am not 100% clear on the actual numbers presented.

From my understanding Pepperdine housing/tuition = 63,000 per year minus 25,000 scholarship = 38,000. x 3 years = $114,000.

Univeristy of San Diego housing/tuition= 57,000 per year - 32,000 year= 25,000 year 1 then 30,000 year 2 & 3 when the scholarship reduces to 27,000 therefore totaling= 85,000 per year.

Therefore it is 85,000 per year USD v $114,00 per year at Pepperdine. Pepperdine however, imposes the stipulation of finishing in the top half of the class, which means there is a 50% chance you will lose the scholarship years two and three making the total cost of attendance $164,000.

I strongly recommend you negotiate with both schools to get a better deal for yourself and then evaluate the costs. Certainly USD wins out on the cost end.

3) Personal Feelings about the School:
This is a very important consideration as you will spend three years of the prime of your life at the school you attend. Each school has a culture to it and whether that culture fits you or not is something only you can know. I have been to a number of law schools both as a OL and for mock trial competitions and there were some schools that really rubbed me the wrong way and others I loved, but that was my personal opinion you very well loved the schools I didn't like and hated the ones I did.

In this instance I have been two both campuses and USD is nice, but Pepperdine is probably one of the most gorgeous campuses in America and this is one of the schools that I just loved. My mom worked there when I was a kid and I went to a lot of camps at Pepperdine and I just love everything about that school.

With that said I strongly encourage you to visit both schools talk to professors, students, admins, walk around the campus, the surrounding neighborhood, and see what school feels right. One of the schools will give you a gut feeling, but this gut feeling is highly personal I would choose Pepperdine in this regard in a minute and even pay more to attend, but I am not you. This is a three year, $100,000, career altering choice so take the time to personally visit these campuses and make the decision for yourself.

4) Understanding the reality of legal education:

It is important to understand that any ABA law school you will receive a quality education and for all intents and purposes learn the same thing.

Your first year will consist of Torts; Contracts; Property; Civil Procedure etc and you will read supreme court cases and whether you do that at USD or Pepperdine you will learn the same exact thing from quality professors.

5) U.S. News Ranking:
I honestly have no idea what either school is ranked and whatever the ranks are for these two schools will change significantly for better or worse by the time you graduate.

With that remember U.S. News is nothing more than a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion so do not use it as anything more than a tie-breaker when making the life altering decision of choosing where to attend law school.


Nobody can tell you the right choice and no matter what you choose you will always wonder what if I went to the other school, but tough decisions are what you will be faced with in your legal career and exercise good judgment and make the hard decisions and you will succeed in law school and your legal career.

I would choose Pepperdine only because I love the campus so much, but again I am not you this is your life, your money, and your career so visit the schools and negotiate for as much money as possible.

Good luck in your pursuit of a legal career.

 on: Yesterday at 06:57:01 PM 
Started by maxernst - Last post by NewlyMinted
worst troll ever, and I am including Julie in that math

 on: Yesterday at 06:30:22 PM 
Started by shawng818 - Last post by Miami88
Quick answer - from my gut - USD. They are comparable in employment stats and USD will end up being far cheaper.

You have to assume the worst case scenario when it comes to law school. Of course, work you butt off to get the best case scenario, but PLAN for the worst case. If you assume you will lose that pepperdine scholarship come your second and third year, and you take into account tuition increases, and you take into account interest on your loans (as they will not be subsidized during school), and assuming you don't incur any additional costs (which you will), and assuming you won't have any other sources of aid ..... then, by the time you graduate, your debt will look sorta like...

Pepperdine: $200k

USD: $100k

If the costs were the same, sure, I would say go for Pepperdine, but they are by no means the same. Pepperdine is not a Harvard, these two schools offer comparable employment and prestige. If it were me, I would go for USD in a heartbeat.

 on: Yesterday at 04:00:58 PM 
Started by shawng818 - Last post by shawng818
hey guys, I'm new here and need some help.
So, I was initially set on going to pepperdine.

Pepperdine: Tuition = $48,970.00 (FLAT FEE); Housing = $15,000.00; Scholarship = $25,000.00, renewable each year provided top 50%
USD: Tuition = $47,140.00 (PLUS FEES); Housing = $10,000.00; Scholarship = $32,000.00 year 1, $27,000.00 last two years, GUARANTEED

Any advice people?

 on: Yesterday at 02:50:22 PM 
Started by maxernst - Last post by maxernst
Is there a legal definition of "news?"

 on: Yesterday at 10:41:41 AM 
Started by CarlossFloress - Last post by Citylaw
Law schools would care very little if at all between the difference of University of San Diego and UCSB with the exception of University of San Diego Law School they might be more willing to accept a University of San Diego alumni. Other than the differences between the two schools are negligble they are fine, but nobody is going to say WOW this applicant graduated from UCSB or USD. There is a chance an alumni of one of those schools could review your application, which might be a boost, but the same could be said for any other school out there.

The short answer to your question is consider what undergrad you are most comfortable and also what will allow you to get out with the least undergrad debt. Enjoy college, because it is possible you may change your mind about law school so for now don't give it to much though. Pursue the major that interests you at the school you want to attend and get the best grades possible to keep the door for law school open. Once you graduate or are nearing graduation take the LSAT and you will see what if any law school doors are open to you.

Good luck.

 on: July 30, 2014, 07:50:15 PM 
Started by Odyssey - Last post by Odyssey
Thanks for the positive response! My students typically like to get familiar with test before studying plus they get the added satisfaction of knowing how much they've improved.

Free explanations on YouTube are great, and it's amazing that you've taken the time to complete so many of them!  However the focus for students needs to be on a logic games methodology and not just explanations for individual games.

 on: July 30, 2014, 07:44:58 PM 
Started by cjp242011 - Last post by Citylaw
Miami's post is right on point.

Attend law school where you want to live and remember that any ABA school is respectable do not get to caught up in the rankings. If you want a dog-friendly, warm, city then I recommend a number of California law schools and probably L.A. or San Diego would be best.

With a 160/3.0 you could probably get scholarships at Chapman or Southwestern in L.A. or Thomas Jefferson and California Western in San Diego.

Good luck on your journey and congrats on your solid LSAT score.

 on: July 30, 2014, 06:53:28 PM 
Started by LSAT Blog - Last post by LSAT Blog

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