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 on: Today at 04:06:47 PM 
Started by sukhmeenk123 - Last post by loki13
Regarding your point, Maintain, it has been a while since my UG experience and LSAC experience, but my recollection is as follows:

1. The weighted uGPA matters a great deal. That is to say, the uGPA you have as compared to your school's (average) GPA.  I  went to a relatively non-GPA inflated school, so while my uGPA was, well, pretty mediocre, my weighted institutional uGPA was quite good. And my experience working with (one) admissions office is that the weighted uGPA (by undergraduate school) matters.

2. IIRC, back in the day, they broke out your "major" GPA as well, but I don't recall them breaking out class-specific weighted grades (they didn't get that granular). Maybe it's different now. The admissions office I worked with didn't care as much about that, with some exceptions (STEM majors tended to get the benefit of the doubt, as opposed to yet another PoliSci major).

This is from a while back, so someone else might have more updated info.

EDIT- I just looked at the LSAC website- they no longer weigh the scores. They do convert, but undergrad difficulty etc. doesn't matter.

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 on: Today at 03:38:07 PM 
Started by sukhmeenk123 - Last post by Maintain FL 350
Getting back to the OP's original question, LSAC does weight grades according to the perceived level of difficulty of both the individual class and the institution. Thus, a grade in Astrophysics from Cal Tech is supposedly weighted more than History of Romantic Comedies at Unknown State U.

The question is, how much?

I think that a degree in Physics or Chemistry is probably taken more seriously by adcomms just because they are fairly rare. They probably stand out among the slew of English, Business, and Poly Sci degrees. But, law schools are so obsessed with rankings that a 3.5 in Nonesense Studies still probably wins over a 3.0 in Math.

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 on: Today at 02:22:34 PM 
Started by sukhmeenk123 - Last post by Citylaw
Excellent point Loki.

I personally agree with you, but for those that are obsessed with rankings there are shortcuts. However, I took advanced appellate advocacy in law school. By far the hardest class I ever took and there were only two students in it. I was able to produce two great writing samples in law school, and what I learned in that class has been a tremendous help, although I got a B the experience was well worth it.

Essentially, floating by in school to get b.s. A's is not the best way to do it in my opinion, but there are certainly people and entities (law school) being one of them that will reward you for fluff over substance.

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 on: Today at 01:35:50 PM 
Started by sukhmeenk123 - Last post by Maintain FL 350
I sort of agree. There is something to be said for being an educated person, not just a degree holder. The coolest, most interesting people are always the Renaissance types, not the percentile obsessed overachievers. You can good grades and still develop your mind.

To paraphrase the Civil War historian Shelby Foote, "I didn't make a very good student because I was more interested in learning than grades."

In law school you'll have to focus on grades, but take advantage of the broad offerings in UG. 

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 on: Today at 01:19:51 PM 
Started by sukhmeenk123 - Last post by loki13
You know, I'm going to offer a slightly divergent opinion.

Try to challenge yourself a little and have fun. See, if you go through UG worrying about your class rank, you're doing it wrong. No offense, but... UG is easy. There is no way you should be sweating failure in UG. If you are, you probably shouldn't be considering post-graduate work (well, at least not without some time off to experience the real world and learn to take life a little more seriously).

You are paying money for those classes. So learn. Do you want to take a credit here or there "learning" frisbee golf? More power to you, I guess. But that's not what makes you succeed in life. Yeah, you might have a little more fun with that blowoff class, but don't be surprised when you find that you, precious and unique snowflake that you are, are struggling to keep up in law school (or other endeavors).

As for law school itself, I give the same advice. Sure, you can take the "&" classes. Law & Basket Weaving, Law & Poverty, whatever. But they probably won't be quite as ... helpful as secured transactions. Or conflict of laws. Or some other class that makes you dig a little deeper.

Maybe this advice doesn't work for everyone- all I know is that I tend to believe that when I pay for something, I want something out of it. YMMV.

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 on: Today at 10:21:32 AM 
Started by calgal27 - Last post by Maintain FL 350
I've never heard of it. As in any situation like this, "Proceed with Caution".

Try to research who is running the place, who is teaching/grading, have any grads passed the bar, etc? I would also look into where their physical plant is located (is it in the U.S.?) and accreditation (regional, DETC?).

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 on: Yesterday at 09:58:58 PM 
Started by calgal27 - Last post by calgal27
This seems to be a newer distant learning school.  Anybody know anything about it?  They are certainly affordable... Comparable to Northwestern.   They sent me the syllabus for each first year class which breaks down everything that is required and needs to be done for the class for the entire year.   It lists the books required and every thing which really is helpful to make a decision. 

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 on: Yesterday at 04:24:53 PM 
Started by Lawyer2020 - Last post by Citylaw
Apply and retake there is no harm in doing that. Check with the schools, but I am 99% sure every school simply takes your highest score. So you should apply and then retake in October if you do better awesome if not you have lost nothing. One of the few times in life you will have everything to gain and nothing to lose by retaking.

I think you have a strong shot at GGU particularly as a URM and USF and Santa Clara are definitely possible.

Good luck to you in your pursuit of a legal education!


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 on: Yesterday at 12:13:18 PM 
Started by Lawyer2020 - Last post by Maintain FL 350
You definitely have a shot with your current numbers, especially at GGU. At USF and SCU it's less likely. I'm not sure what the general probabilities are at those schools, but 151 is far enough below their medians that it's less predictable.

URM status is a wild card and makes things even less predictable. Some URM classifications get a bigger boost than others, and it may help with scholarship money. It just depends.

Retake?
You can retake, but is there any reason to assume that you'll magically gain five points? Maybe, maybe not. Most people don't gain points just by repeating the exam. They have to do something new, like a prep course, more study time, etc.

Cost
This may be reason to retake. A higher LSAT score will help with scholarship money. Personally, I wouldn't spend 150-200k on any of those schools unless I was rich and it didn't matter. Not trying to be snobby, my views are just a reflection of current market realities. That kind of debt can be crippling, and the Bay Area legal market is very competitive.

As I said above, URM status can help with obtaining certain scholarships. Merit scholarship, however (which tend to be much bigger) are going to be hard to obtain with a 151.

If you can lower the cost of attendance by retaking the LSAT, well...

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 on: July 05, 2015, 11:06:28 PM 
Started by cinnamon synonym - Last post by i VIII π
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