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Job Search / Re: Your Worst Interview
« on: October 05, 2007, 11:52:24 PM »
Partner asked me a series of questions like "Tell me two situations in which you used your analytical abilities."

After wading through one or two I said something like, "Wow - out of all of the interviews that I've now done, you're the first person to actually ask all those questions that they always say you'll get asked during an interview."

No offer.

Job Search / Re: Alternatives to a 60-hour work week?
« on: October 05, 2007, 11:41:07 PM »
Government work can be *much* better, but it depends on that particular location (e.g. I talked to one public defender who is a full-time ski instructer during the winter and skis over 100 days a year).  Lifestyle firms are out there - in general they aren't as prestigious as "biglaw", but that may not matter if you find a lifestyle firm that you want to spend the rest of your career at.  To find a lifestyle firm, I'd search NALP for any that requires 1800 or fewer hours per year.  However, even if the stated minimum is low, some firms really only require the minimum while others require many more hours - the only way to find out is to talk to people.  Some firms (even big firms) have flexible hour programs (e.g. work less and get paid less).  This is very firm dependent and the impression I get is that even some firms that say they have good flex programs don't really have them in practice; however, I also get the impression that some really do have great programs where you can bill 1600, 1500, 1400, or even 1300 and get paid accordingly.

Job Search / Re: Cravath
« on: September 26, 2007, 08:33:54 AM »
There aren't nearly enough T14 students with good enough grades to fill all of the top firms, thus they look to lower-tier candidates with high grades.  I'm assuming if you got a callback that you are top 5% (maybe 10%) of your class.  Of course they are very serious about you or they wouldn't waste the very large amount of money it costs them to have you do a callback.  I think in general once you have a call back firms are looking more for "fit" than at your credentials - but that's certainly not the case for every firm.  Just convince them that you *really* want to spend 20 hours a day at the office (and then be prepared to actually do it!) and you'll be golden!  Good luck!

Current Law Students / Re: Should I write my own outlines?
« on: August 13, 2007, 11:02:01 PM »
IMO, definitely make your own outline.  If you goof off all semester and don't have time to do so, then use a classmates.  Whatever you do, do not rely exclusively on a commercial outline as it's likely the case that 80% of it won't apply to your exam - and the other 20% will probably use different terminology.

The biggest benefit in having your own outline is that it covers exactly what your professor covered, which is exactly what will be on the exam.  This same benefit can be achieved by using a classmate's outline or to a certain extent an outline of a student who took the class from that professor previously (although to a lesser extent because most professors change their emphasis regularly).

A secondary benefit of doing an outline is that you're able to wrap your head around the subject better when you are forced to organize it yourself and put it into understandable form.  Also, by being so involved in trying to figure out how to organize and word everything, you become intimately familiar w/ the subject matter.  These benefits are only achievable by actually making your own outline.

As far as the contents of the outline, it's really a personal thing.  Whatever you do, don't worry about outlining until at least a month (minimum) into the semester.  Anything you do before that will be pretty useless as the whole point of the outline is to organize the ideas together.  Just take good class notes and then about a month+ in things will start to come together and you can organize your notes into an outline.  Like amoebalaw said, you can google to find out different example outlines.  Re: cases - although most classes are based around cases, most tests are not.  In my experience it is typically most usefull to outline essentially just the black-letter law and note casenames just to keep track of things.  Most professors don't give credit for mentioning case names on exams (except important cases such as in Constitutional Law).

Agree w/ StevePirates.  It isn't uncommon at all for older people to go to law school.  At my school a whole bunch of the class is 30ish and there are probably 6 or 7 out of our ~150 class that are in their 40s or 50s.  Don't dominate class discussions or make up a bunch of hypotheticals to ask the professor about or act like a know-it-all and you'll be fine.  These things are annoying no matter who does them, but for some reason it seems that the oldies have a stronger desire to partake in these activities than others do - perhaps because they're trying to hard to be accepted - I don't know.

Anyways...bottom line is, if you're annoying (at any age) then people won't like you so much...but if you're nice/friendly/normal (at any age) then people will like you.  Good luck & have fun.

Job Search / Re: Should I apply to all the OCI firms?
« on: August 12, 2007, 07:14:34 AM »
Our CSO does the same thing - won't let you back out of any interview unless you have an accepted offer.  If you have great grades - don't under any circumstances apply to all of them - you're just messing up your classmates who actually need those interviews.  If you have horrible grades, apply away and hope you get a few.

Job Search / Re: Is facial hair really a taboo for OCI?
« on: August 12, 2007, 07:12:24 AM »

Job Search / Re: how long before call backs
« on: August 12, 2007, 07:09:58 AM »
If the callback interview took place in the beginning of August (extremely early in the game), would the offers be made within a week as well or would they want to wait until they're done interviewing other applicants in job fairs and OCI? 

I think this again depends on the firm size.  If the office you interviewed at is hiring 50 summers, then they'll know right away no matter what the date is whether or not they want you - and they'll let you know too.  If the office is hiring 2 or 3 summers, they probably will want to do more callbacks before making decisions on anybody.

Current Law Students / Re: How's my plan?
« on: August 12, 2007, 07:05:05 AM »
What if the father also realizes that nothing is or could ever be more important than that the baby, and recognizing that being a daddy is also incomprehensibly important?

Then he can stay home and the mother can work.  I, personally, don't think there's anything wrong with having a stay-at-home dad and a mom who works if that's what the couple prefers - just as long as there's one parent at home.  To me, it seems pretty clear that there are two parents by design (or natural selection) so that one can raise the children and the other can put food on the table.  I think both roles are equally important and generally equally difficult (in different ways).  Generally, it makes no difference to me who does what.

Having said that, I also think that at least for the first 2 years or so of a kids life, there are a couple of advantages to having a mother at home rather than a father.  They won't make or break the situation, but in my mind they give a slight edge to having the mother stay at home at least during that time.  It also works out a better logistically to have the mother stay home if you're going to have more than one child (so that the breadwinner doesn't have to keep taking time off for pregnancy) - that is unless of course you're working at a place w/ great maternity benefits.

Once again, I know (from previous experience) that this opinion isn't very popular on these boards, so take it for what it's worth.

Current Law Students / Re: How's my plan?
« on: August 11, 2007, 10:32:51 PM »
IMO (since you asked for advice), I would recommend not going to law school.  When you have a kid you realize that nothing is or could ever be more important to you than it, even if you are able to convince yourself otherwise at some future point.  Nothing could be more important to your child than having you there for it.  Let your husband earn enough money to provide for the fam, and you focus on the incomprehensibly important role of being a mommy.

Just my two, likely very unpopular, cents.

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