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It of course depends on your grades once they come out, but my advice would be to apply to firms that come to Spring OCIs, but don't waste your time on other firms.

Current Law Students / Re: i need help fast
« on: November 08, 2007, 09:29:23 AM »
Flame + 1/2

Current Law Students / Re: Test Scores on my Resume?
« on: November 08, 2007, 09:26:43 AM »
I could see someone asking about the LSAT, but come on....SAT2? for a job that requires a graduate degree?!?  This has to be a flame.  Under no circumstances should you ever put these on your resume.  It's not that they wouldn't be impressed....they'd probably think a 171 was awesome and they'd want to hire you if they found that out...unless they found it out because it was on your resume.  Then they would think you were really odd/arrogant/wacky for putting it on there.

My recommendation: if you really want it to come up, go teach an LSAT class for awhile - you'll make $30+/hr and w/ that on your resume people who read it will either (1) assume that you got a really high score or (2) ask you what your score was.  Note that not everyone will catch it as they skim your resume.  If you don't want to teach a full-blown class just tutor one or two people on it and it'll have a similar effect w/out taking so much of your time (it will also act as good filler for your limited resume).

Current Law Students / Re: 1L summer job, IP law
« on: November 05, 2007, 05:51:52 AM »
Is technical experience requisite (assuming the degree is in tact)?  Is the patbar necessary?

Also, they aren't going to ask me to traverse b-trees or solve circuit problems are they -- I forgot all of that the day I graduated.

Work experience is not required.  I think if two candidates were equal than work experience would be in your favor, but it's not even close to being as important as grades.  Most decent firms don't care too much about whether you've taken the patent bar yet.  It probably falls along the lines of work experience - could be a tie breaker, but isn't necessarily a key thing.  If work experience comes up, just say that you knew for sure that patent law was your thing and felt like getting out there as a practicing patent attorney sooner would be more beneficial than working in one very specific area (although don't talk too much trash on working beforehand, because your interviewer likely worked beforehand).  I don't think I had anybody even ask me why I chose not to work beforehand - it just never came up.  For the patent bar, just make sure to say that you plan on taking it during the (fall/winter) semester of your (2nd/3rd) year (pick one).  I haven't taken the patent bar, but I found that nobody really cared too much as long as I had a good answer.  I definitely was asked about the patent bar, but the question was always, "Are you planning on taking the patent bar?"  I should say for the patent bar, if it's a small employer (i.e. ~10 attorneys or fewer) they will probably care more about it.  Also, most decent firms will pay for your patent bar review course after you graduate if you haven't taken it yet (and if you have taken it, many will reimburse you if you took a review course).

I interviewed w/ probably ~150 people and I don't think one person asked me technical questions.  The closest thing would be something like "are you familiar w/ X technology?"  That only happened a few times and typically it was because there was something on my resume that triggered the question (e.g. I designed websites, so they'd ask which web technologies I was familiar w/).  Again, I think this would be more common w/ smaller employers because they'll often specialize in one area or have one big client w/ one particular type of work.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L summer job, IP law
« on: November 04, 2007, 09:08:56 PM »
I have about 7 or 8 friends at my lower T1 that are IP and all got paid 1L positions.  I believe all of us were at least in the top half of our class, but I think the worst $$ was $30/hr and the best was $2700/wk.  In my experience it is *much* easier to find a paid 1L position in the IP world.  I would definitely recommend choosing that if you can get it over almost any unpaid stuff (except of course for very prestigious stuff and if money isn't much of an issue right now).  It also depends on your my area most firms were interested in CS/EE people, while my friends with chem/bio/pharma backgrounds (who only had bachelor's, not PhDs) had a tougher time finding jobs (but still found great ones).  Mechanical was somehwere in the middle.  That is very firm-dependent, though, and somwhat geography-dependent.  PM me if you have any more specific questions as I'm now quite familiar w/ the process.  If you're on the west coast I could definitely recommend firms in whatever city you're looking at.

Transferring / Re: From the T14 up the scale?
« on: November 04, 2007, 09:03:59 PM »
Why not Yale?

There's a yahoo group somewhere where people post all their stats and where they got in for transfers.  It is extremely valuable information for anybody looking to transfer.

I particularly like the copyright and/or trademark infringement and the classic fire animation.

Job Search / Re: A stressful situation...any advice?
« on: October 29, 2007, 10:10:51 PM »
1 - I'd definitely try and work any connections (including just random alumni) rather than doing mass mailings at this guess would be that it's probably too late

2 - yes, you would be crazy

3 - I would think 6 months to a year maybe?  Certainly I think you could do it after a year.

Job Search / Re: How to Decline Summer Associate Offer
« on: October 29, 2007, 09:19:04 PM »
If a firm doesnt extend you an offer right away, then you arent "what they are looking for" regardless of whether you eventually get one.  Who wants to be second best anyway?  I accepted an offer despite having callbacks I hadnt heard from, because I figured if they cared enough they would have accepted me right away.

To each his own, but that's not the way it works at all firms.  Some have strict policies of interviewing all candidates before extending any offers.

Personally, I would take any legal work over this option (and I'm very interested in one day opening my own practice).  Not sure where you're at in school, but I would think most agree that law school provides you very little practical knowledge on how to practice law day-to-day.  If you work even for a year, you can get a much better feel of how things work, what to do, how to file stuff, etc.  Also, it will help you to specialize in a particular area if you'd like and hopefully to get some client connections.  I know a guy who worked for 3 months at a firm and then went off on his own.  He seems to be doing fine, but I would think that 3 months would be a minimum otherwise you'll just be drowning for a *long* time.

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