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Current Law Students / Re: Putting "Moot Court" on Resume?
« on: March 16, 2006, 09:17:57 PM »
Most people who participated in Moot Court Competiton don't make it to the quarter finals, finals, or win.  Here are my questions:

1) Can you put "Moot Court" or "Trial Court" on your resume when you participated in but did not win?  Meaning, you didn't even make it to quarter finals, etc.

2) Do most of them put it on the resume? Or do they leave it out, because they don't want to explain how they participated and not make it even to the quarter finals?

3) When firms advertise they are looking for people who are on Moot Court, do they mean someone who "participated" or someone who "won"?

Iím fairly sure your question pre-supposes someone who did compete against other schools.  What would be the point of a moot court team that didnít enter a competition.

As far as putting it on your resume, sure - why not?  Having a place on the team would usually (if not always) mean that you had to compete against your classmates and win a spot on the team.  So you are able to show you were obviously at least good enough to win the selection process and make the team.  It should also mean that you did compete against other schools and therefore probably gained some valuable experience, even if you didnít get a trophy.

Current Law Students / Re: curves? i dont get it.
« on: March 15, 2006, 09:42:12 PM »
At Cooley students use the same books T1 schools use and learn the exact same material out of them. However, Cooley grades atrociously. To earn a B or a C for that matter at Cooley is a well accomplished thing. Cooley grades based on the knowledge of a practicing attorney. A Cooley grad with a 2.50 GPA could blow a tier one grad with a 3.50 out the door knowledge-wise.

Is this a serious statement?  I am not about school bashing, T1-2-3-4, whatever... if you are driven enough and try hard you'll get something out of it and perhaps become a brilliant lawyer someday, no matter where you went to school.  But to say a 2.5 gpa at Cooley is better than a 3.5 at T1 school??  If you said a 3.5 = 3.5 I wouldn't have thought much about it.  Earning a B or C is a well accomplished thing?  So then shall we assume most people are getting Ds and Fs there?  I looked into the Cooley stats on noticed that the median GPA entering was 3.01 and the median LSAT was 147, yes the last two digits are 4 and 7.  The bar passage rate for first timers?  55%.  You've got about a half-half chance of making it thru after graduation.  The tuition is about $23K, much more than many state schools with higher rankings and stats.  So I can assume there are a great many people that go to Cooley, and pay more $$, because it was the only school they could get into.  Not because of it's rep in the law community.  School pride is great, but there are limits.  It is unfortunate that people choose to spend time picking on Cooley or other schools for that matter, but lets not take that to mean that we will start trying to convince the world that Cooley is really way better than all the other schools.  Same text books and same subjects does not equal same dean, same professors, same student body.

I think that all three options are prestigous and you should base your decision which chambers or office you feel most comfortable w/. This is important, seeing that for some judges you may have to make an appointment just to discuss your bench memo.

I agree, I was going over the exact same considerations and ended up deciding to clerk for a magistrate judge.  The primary reason was personality, the judge is very approachable and it really seems like his interest is in my learning something and getting a broad view of the fed system.  It was also helpful that he is interested in my taking part in some of everything going on at the courthouse, including allowing my to sit in on other things outside of his own caseload.  He is willing to make sure I take part in research, writing memos, drafting his decisions, taking part in conferences, motions, trials... This particular magistrate judge also has a strong reputation in the district and state.  It all added up to my thinking it would make the most of my summer experience.

Current Law Students / Re: marathon in the fall of 1L?
« on: March 11, 2006, 05:16:12 AM »
Basically, am I being an overachiever/idiot to think I'll have the time to run 5-6 hours a week for the first month or two of school? 

I don't think 5-6 hours a week is an unreasonable amount of time to spend on exercise.  It may mean tightening up your study schedule, but that will only entail cutting out some of the fat.  I found that the first sem, when I used to do all my studying at the library, there was a pretty fair amount of the time spent standing out front BS'ing with classmates.  If you are more disciplined then you can trim that off and use the time savings for running.  5-6 hours a week is obviously less than an hour a day, then add in the prep-time, shower after, etc.  But it still is not that daunting.  I find that law school study is "self-filling" - it will take exactly as much time as you give it.  Give it 10 hours a day and you will easily study those 10 hours, it doesn't mean you have to though.  You'll find a comfortable pace and get a schedule down and your workout time will figure in there.  Quite a few of my classmates, myself included, find time for the gym.  You will too.  Good luck!

Well I can say with a certainty that the consensus @ my school is that the second semester is harder to get into.  Not b/c the work is any harder, but in large part b/c quite a few of us really spent our load the first sem and just don't have as much gas in the tank.  It does seem like there is a lot more AIMing going on and what not in class, I think it is partly as mentioned above and partly b/c most of us have figured out how to get what we need from the material and no longer feel compelled to write every word that comes out of the prof's mouth.

Pursuing an LLM / Re: Accepted with baggage
« on: March 10, 2006, 09:58:13 PM »
You should really, really consider the above advice regarding re-taking after a prep course.  Depending on the school you might not even have to average the two scores, some take the latest.  Why relegate yourself to a T4 which might cost you as much as a T1, if you can simply spend a little $$ and time and get a better LSAT score and improve your marketability?  The downside is perhaps waiting another year (although at this point I think that is happening at most schools anyway since recruitment for the fall is closed).

Pursuing an LLM / Re: Law school without a BA
« on: March 10, 2006, 09:49:43 PM »
I have to agree with the general consensus.  Finish your BA, go to an ABA school.  There are many reasons just about everyone else does it this way.  If you are hoping to work for either a firm or the government you are going to be interviewed by somebody that did it that way too.  To do anything short would just limit yourself before you were even out of the gate.  UCLA is a good school, finish up there first.

Current Law Students / Re: Professor of Law
« on: March 10, 2006, 09:32:07 PM »
You don't have to go to a top school to become a law professor, those "bottom schools" have to get professors somewhere.  On a brighter note, I've seen profs at top 20 schools that graduated from T2s.  That seems to have a lot to do with scholarship and how often they are published etc. 

Current Law Students / Re: caught for plagiarism at my school
« on: March 10, 2006, 09:27:09 PM »
I know that they say that hindsight is 20/20, but you should have consulted an attorney before you even opened your mouth about anything. It seems to me that the burden of proof should be on the Law School, not yourself. By admitting to this, you've basically screwed yourself. However, this smells a little funny to me in the first place.

A paper left on a library computer? Right......I think you've successfully wasted my time.(and everyone else who replied to this) Congrats!

I have to agree with the first part, it is usually a good idea not to admit anything to anyone while you are under going some sort of scrutiny.  The first thing an attorney will tell you in a criminal matter is NOT to make a statement.  Same goes here.  The word "allegedly" does wonders though.

As for the second part, if I read it correctly, it is disputing the truth of how the paper was obtained?  I've gone into the computer lab myself and seen a paper left on screen at a computer the student was done with a long time ago.  A lot of people also forget to clean out the "trash" when they are done and leave entire papers there as well.  So it certainly can happen.  Remember to empty the trash after you delete your paper!

Current Law Students / Re: Chuck Norris!
« on: March 10, 2006, 06:19:35 AM »
Chuck Norris can't swim.

But water's too scared to do anything about it.

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