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General Board / Re: 2L...what to do with 1L books?
« on: July 15, 2008, 02:40:03 PM »
You aren't going to need them for the bar.  Referencing casebooks or even codes while studying for the bar isn't a very effective manner of studying.  Like another poster said, barbri will give you the law that you need for the bar - in a form that is much more concise than primary source materials. 

The only reason I could see in favor of keeping them is to put them in your office so you can "look like a lawyer."  That's entirely up to you, but I had no problem getting rid of mine.  The only books that I kept were ones where new editions were coming out and I couldn't even get $15 for them on amazon.  I unloaded the rest. 

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No offense, but it doesn't really matter what "you'd do." Lots of employers, particularly big firms, want to see law review. They value it much more than they value any of the things you listed.

I don't think YBR has an inflated sense of self worth as much as you are hypersensitive about the fact that you weren't on law review. Just my two cents.

No, unlike most of the people posting on this thread, I have finished law school and I no longer give a rat's ass about any of the shallow, self-perpetuating hierarchies  created by law review and journal membership.  I have never once regretted my decision not to do the write on competition after my 2L year. 

Most of you probably secretly hate your life on a journal but you are doing it anyway because someone told you that joe blow at the biglaw office in the primary market might spare you 15 minutes of his precious time for an OCI if he sees that you have law review on your resume.   

Oh, and if YBR doesn't have an inflated sense of self-worth, then I don't know who does.  Read some prior posts and you will see that there is absolutely nothing that YBR does does not know about 1. law school, 2. job interviewing, and 3. the practice of law. 

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If all jobs just picked the person with the best interview, there'd just be a lot of friendly but incompetent people. 

Besides, as wonderful as you think you are in an interview, you're probably on par with just most people.  That's encompassed in my "roughly equal." 

Actually, rather than waste my time with a journal I took jobs as a research assistant and a law clerk during my 2nd and 3rd years.  I learned a lot more about how to research/write and about the practice of law than any journal or law review would have taught me. 

Since you are advocating giving out jobs based on tiebreakers such as journal membership, you must also believe that such membership is in part indicative of competency as an attorney. 

Perhaps you didn't read my post, but I said that I would pre-screen for competency prior to the interview. I would look at grades, reputation of school and experience in similar legal environments.  Membership on the law review honestly wouldn't mean much to me because I don't think it teaches you how to do much of anything related to the actual practice of law.  I'm sorry to deflate your inflated sense of self-worth. 

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General Board / Re: UNC-Chapel Hill versus UC-Hastings
« on: July 14, 2008, 04:11:08 PM »
If cost was not an issue, which law school would you choose and why?  I've been trying to gain insight from friends and family but they know even less than I do about these things.  I plan on practicing some version of Constitutional Law and would like to teach after 15 years or so in the field.  I currently live in Los Angeles and love the California feel.  I've lived in North Carolina before and it is a beautiful area but not nearly as much to offer.  I'm also working on Mandarin and Cantonese language studies in addition to kung fu which appear to be virtually absent from the Triangle area.  Although, I believe UNC is a better school academically and with an undergrad college and other grad schools has a larger alumni base.  For every plus I bring up in one column, I find another for the other school.  So, I appeal to you, fellow students, what would *you* do?

Where do you want to live after graduation? 

You also should consider that you probably will not be able to privately practice constitutional law.  The only attorneys who maintain a regular constitutional law practice are those in organizations such as the ACLU.  Do you have a back up plan? What are the job prospects out of both schools?   

Both of these schools are predominantly regional, with UNC probably having the stronger national reputation.  If you really want to live in the Bay Area (and it sounds like you do), you should choose Hastings. 


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Yes, it was pretty stupid not to even petition to be on law review. 
Are you on moot court/mock trial?  Doing a clinic?  The people you'll be up against in OCI are the people who are at your school.  If you are all roughly equal and some of them have journals or other extracurriculars, who would you call back?

It also may affect where you apply at all.  Some employers don't want to hire anyone who isn't on a journal. 

I would call back the person who I thought had the best interview.  I know that most of the OCI firms are full of lifeless drones and all they care about is whether you can regularly do mind numbing work for 70 hours every week. Thus, ability to carry on a conversation isn't as important as whether you have done similiar mind numbing work (e.g. cite checking) in law school. 

If some employer doesn't want to look at my resume or refuses to consider me for a position because I chose not to be on a journal in law school, then I don't want to work there anyway.  That type of attitude towards prospective associates is pretty much indicative of what is wrong with biglaw in the first place.   

Don't get me wrong, I would do a bit of screening prior to the interview.  But if two candidates have similar grades from similar schools, I'm not going to refuse an interview or refuse to hire because a person who is otherwise qualified was not a member of the law review or the space law journal.  It simply doesn't make one bit of difference in practice and does not make you a more qualified attorney. 

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General Board / Re: Another reason why Bar/Bri is the devil
« on: July 11, 2008, 07:00:03 PM »
Then what's the point?

You must not be in law school yet, you seem very naive. 

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General Board / Re: Another reason why Bar/Bri is the devil
« on: July 11, 2008, 04:35:05 PM »
How are you going to be a lawyer if you don't know the law?  what's the point of the bar exam?   ???

To provide one final barrier of entry into the legal profession. They go in this order. 

1. LSAT
2. Admissions
3. 1L
4. Summer Jobs
5. Permanent Jobs
6. MPRE
7. Character and Fitness
8. Bar Exam

Lol.  I wouldn't call the MPRE a barrier.  The bar exam definitely is though.

I'm just thinking in terms of annoying, pain in the ass type things that the bar examiners place in your path. It's not that hard, but it's another fairly useless requirement that you have to get through nonetheless.

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General Board / Re: Another reason why Bar/Bri is the devil
« on: July 11, 2008, 04:24:45 PM »
How are you going to be a lawyer if you don't know the law?  what's the point of the bar exam?   ???

To provide one final barrier of entry into the legal profession. They go in this order. 

1. LSAT
2. Admissions
3. 1L
4. Summer Jobs
5. Permanent Jobs
6. MPRE
7. Character and Fitness
8. Bar Exam

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General Board / Re: Another reason why Bar/Bri is the devil
« on: July 11, 2008, 04:06:55 PM »
Jacy, how much does a Barbri course typically cost?

Too much.  Mine was $2,600.

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General Board / Re: Another reason why Bar/Bri is the devil
« on: July 11, 2008, 03:50:06 PM »
Good post.

The Barbri essay book is annoying as sh*t.  I completely lost it when they started citing Black's Law Dictionary and random cases in their answers.  I'm also pretty sure that the jackasses made several incorrect statements of the law.  I've also found that much of the time, the "model" barbri answers aren't even responsive to the f-ing question.  They just ramble on about irrelevant material and then spend 2 or 3 sentences discussing the actual issue or issues presented by the question. 

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