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Current Law Students / Re: Sage advice for soon to be 1L's
« on: July 29, 2005, 02:25:09 PM »
Ok, here are mine:

1.  Make it your goal to get out of every single class with a set of typed notes from which you can make your outline--without going back to the casebook or to a commercial outline.  That means writing down what the professor says and also taking notes from the book during class.

2.  If you take notes on your laptop, don't have a wireless connection or any games.  Virtually no one can stop themselves from using these things in class.

3.  Make your own outlines. Making the outline is what teaches you, not reading it.  If you can, make multiple outlines (an "everything" outline, a bare-bones outline, etc.)

4.  Don't talk about exams after you take them.

5.  Don't talk about your grades after you get them.

It's easy if you have very good grades, probably almost impossible if you have very bad grades.  In the middle, I don't know, but I wouldn't say it's easy.

Samson, B:

It's kind of hard for me to say what happens to people who finished outside of the top 30-50%, because (as wustl3l says), almost no one talks about grades or jobs, so I just don't know who had what grades.  I certainly knew a number of people who didn't have jobs at graduation, but I'm not sure how broad or extensive their job searches were.  From what I know, most of them now have jobs, though they had to do their own legwork (networking, etc.) to get them.  My sense is that the people who have the most trouble are those with mediocre-to-bad grades who want to work in locations that tend to attract people from schools ranked above Wash U.

As for CSO, it worked well for me (I got a summer associateship through on-campus interviewing).  But I know a lot of people complained about it, probably people whose grades weren't so good.  I hope it's improving.

I graduated from Wash U last year; here are my thoughts: much of downtown St. Louis is dead after 5 pm, but there are certainly bar/restaurant districts downtown and elsewhere.  They're not particularly large, but they're certainly there.

The main bar/restaurant/walkable districts are the Central West End just east of Forest Park (centered around Euclid Ave north of Forest Park Parkway and south of McPherson); The U-City Loop (Delmar Blvd east of Big Bend and west of Skinker or so); and a certain stretch of Washington Avenue downtown.  If you've been to those places and think they're dead, St. Louis may not be for you.

Also, for what it's worth, I loved Wash U.  It was extremely friendly, and I developed a really close circle of friends there.

I'd need HYS to turn down the full ride, and even that would be a tough choice.

prelaw2000 and The Truth, it's a hypothetical.  Don't question the hypothetical.

If you really want nothing to do with religion, you might as well avoid the religiously affiliated law schools (Jesuit and otherwise).  Some of them are more religious, and some are less religious, but they're not so numerous that you really need to apply any of them if religion annoys you.

It is not difficult to determine whether a school is religious--before you apply, go to its website and look for words like Christian, Jewish, Jesuit, Catholic, God, Campus Ministry, Spirituality, etc. 

Incoming 1Ls / Re: What do you mean by "gunner"
« on: January 18, 2008, 10:00:53 AM »
I don't believe I said no one cares, but that 95% don't care, which I think is roughly true.

I just don't believe the 5% who do care should criticize and look down on the 95% who don't.  If you're a superstar, you can care about everything.  But most people find that their time in law school is scarce, and they have to make choices.  Having an attitude that everyone "ought to" spend more of their time on one thing (learning legal theory etc.), when their careers and financial futures depend on the amount of time they spend doing something else (learning the material tested) isn't particularly respectful.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: What do you mean by "gunner"
« on: January 18, 2008, 07:49:04 AM »
I know I'm not in LS yet, and maybe my opinion will change, but I take issue with the fact that no one cares about the deep questions in LS. And if they don't, then I think they're idiots. I'm paying a hundred grand to go to school, I want to come out with knowledge and understanding, not straight A's and a head full of stupid BS. The deep questions are the only ones that matter, anyone that gets into a top law school should be smart enough to get the surface level stuff.

"The deep questions are the only ones that matter"?  To whom?  Not to your professors, who grade on understanding and application of the surface-level stupid BS that, despite what you may think, will be grasped to wildly varying degrees by your classmates.  Not to your classmates, who want to get jobs and pay off their loans.  Not to your potential employers, who want to see high grades.  Not to your clients, whose problems are far more likely to involve an application of existing rules than a discussion of the theoretical underpinnings of those rules. 

I'm not saying there's no room for caring about the deep questions--I actually care about them myself.  You can talk to your professors, take seminars, write a great note for law review, do indpendent study, etc.  But recognize that this is not grad school.  Most people correctly believe that understanding the material presented (and having that show up in good grades) matters far more to their careers than does deep understanding in the abstract.  If you want to take up their class time for your own goals, fine--but that makes you a gunner.

AmyWaxFanClubPresident is right.  The person making $55,000 is not coming close to leaking money.

I "make" $53,000.  After payroll deductions for income taxes, social security, and health insurance, I take home $36,000.


T14s "cost more" than non-T14s for almost everyone, because an applicant who gets into a T14 will almost certainly be offered money (or more money) at a lower-ranked school. 

In the article, she said, "I got enough financial aid to make it work as long as I took out a lot of loans," which suggests BU gave her money and her debt load was lower than it would otherwise have been.

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