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Studying for the LSAT / Re: 3rd times a charm?
« on: June 30, 2005, 11:36:40 AM »
I took the LSAT 3 times also. My mistake was taking it the second time without really preparing since it was lower than my first time, I had no choice but to take it a third time.

I would just say be very careful you do not score lower, because that would be counter productive, especially since scores are normally averaged.

I wish you the best!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Give Up on My Dream?
« on: June 30, 2005, 09:26:59 AM »
I think that if you really want to go to law school you are going to have to accept and embrace a T3 or T4 school. I know that is hard to do, trust me I struggled with the concept for awhile. Admissions are rough, and they are not going to get any easier in the future. The LSAT is weighed so heavily in the admission cycle, that it really turns low scorers away. I am a poor standardized test taker, it is just one of those unfortunate things in life. I can write a blue book esay like no other, but you give me a standardized test and I crumble.

Academically I am accomplished and I have never had a problem (UG and Grad). Accepting that the LSAT was a wall that I could not break through, was hard for me. But I knew I wanted to practice law, so I did not let it bring me down. I took the LSAT 3 times. I wrote an addendum for my low score which was the second test, the third I had to take the reedem myself from the second test. Sometimes things do not go as planed, sometimes to acheive our dreams we have to go about it in different ways, we have to work harder, and sometimes we need to recognize our weakness and let our strengths talk for us.

Do not give up hope. There are law schools that will accept you. You need to try to be positive and portray yourself positively to the ad coms. I wrote an addendum that turned my negative around and focused on the positives that tied into my personal statement. You have to sell yourself. Your soft factors will not make up for your LSAT score, but it can help you if you are borderline and need a boost. I know they helped me get into 4 schools, and get waitlisted at 9. Sure, I got a ton of rejections too, but things work out. Keep your head up and keep your eye on your goal. It might not happen the way you think it will, but such is life. You may have to move out of NJ to live out your dreams, but the state will still be here when you are ready to come back, whether that be after a transfer in a year, or after you complete a 3 year education. We have to deal with the cards we are dealt, and we have to take bets, albeit sometimes not with the best odds, but if you really want this, you have to try...and be relentless.

Good luck!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: I have read 5 E&Es - questions?
« on: June 30, 2005, 09:07:59 AM »
I just finished the AAMPLE program to gain admission into Albany Law School. To complete the program I had to take 2 second year law classes. E & E and Gilberts are a god send. I bought both books for each class (negotiable instruments and crim pro). They really helped me tear through foreign concepts in a way that was easy to understand (especially because the books for class would often refer you to first year class concepts that I had not yet taken).

Giblerts is great for making sure you understand how the concepts fit together, and compare and contrast to one another. I used this mostly to make sure my assumptions on new or hard concepts were right. The E & E series is a wonderful way to get hypos, which are extremely important for getting through the finals. The more hypothetical situations you work through the easier it is to understand and become farmiliar with test content. Also, both give exam tips in regards to the specific class. They are often times helpful tid bits to remember.

I will be buying both books for each of my 1L classes.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Resumes?
« on: June 30, 2005, 08:57:10 AM »
I might agree that if you have no work experience the resume would probably look thin and might be counter productive.

I had 2 years prof work experience that I included in detail. Then I also had a few jobs through high school starting at 14 years old, and two simultaneous jobs in college. I included those, but only because they tied into my personal statement.

As for an objective, my objective was plain and simple... To obtain a legal education from XXX Law School.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Resumes?
« on: June 30, 2005, 05:56:02 AM »
I sent in a resume also. I found that a lot of the times, I could not fit all of my accomplishments/publications/honors in the three or four lines they gave me on the app. I would pick out the few that were the most exciting, and put see resume for additional honors at the end of the last line. On my resume I had detailed all of that out. My format was Objective, Skills, Job History, Education, then Honors and Awards, Extra Curic., and Volunteer Work. My resume spread on to two pages, but it looked good and was chock full of info so I left it at that. I would NOT let it go over onto a third page.

Good luck.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: NYLS
« on: June 28, 2005, 11:11:21 AM »
I really love all of the camaraderie which takes place in the depths of T3-4. I say the depths because everyone and their brother assume that if you don't go to the top schools, you are a worthless lawyer, and will never experience happiness, joy, monetary enjoyment, etc. I disagree wholeheartedly. I think that there are some fantastic lawyers who do very well for themselves. Furthermore, if you look at some of the top law firms, there are always, sprinkled in of course, lawyers who attending "tier 4 toilets". This whole thread has given me hope and joy...for I am in the same boat, and would like some of you advice and/or encouragement. I have a GPA of 3.51, LSAT 150. Some soft factors, if they even help, non-traditional student, 3 kids, US military, just returned from Iraq. I was Summa Cum Laude for degree granting school. Anyways, I am looking at schools such as Albany, Appalachian??, Northern Kentucky, Widener, Southern Illinois, Vermont, Syracuse, Capital, and a few others around the same Tier, such as Pace Gonzaga, Quinnipiac. Any help, encouragement, advice would be appreciated.

I am sending you a PM... Check your inbox..


Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Albany Wait list
« on: June 25, 2005, 06:20:42 AM »
There will probably be openings soon. I know that out of the 50 people that I started AAMPLE with (Alternative Admission Program for Legal Education), only 28 took the final. That opened seats. Also, we should get our results from the finals within the next few weeks, so pending on how many pass, that may open more seats.

Good luck to you all.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Pace- Waitlist Movement
« on: June 13, 2005, 02:50:09 PM »
Looks like they are doing it by LSAT score since each of the people accepted off the list had a 153.

I called the school this afternoon. They said they just started to review the files again, and that they are not ranked. I am keeping my fingers crossed.


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Pace- Waitlist Movement
« on: June 03, 2005, 06:11:06 AM »
I sent 2 letters, a bound copy of my thesis, and an additional LOR.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Special Summer Program?
« on: June 02, 2005, 02:37:31 PM »
My program was only offered online. Although, I know a few schools who do them on campus. I am not positive about Syracuse's program. I think your best bet is to call and ask them directly. My program was a little over 3k, which seems to be able to norm from what I have heard about from other schools. They gave me a scholarship which made it more managable, so I paid a little over 1k. I dont know that I would have been able to do it for 3k. That is a lot of money for having no guarantees.

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