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Where should I go next fall? / Re: University of Dayton "Hold" Letter
« on: August 10, 2005, 10:11:34 AM »
Congrats!!! That is so awesome!!! I have been rooting for you!!!!! :)

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Anyone having second thoughts?
« on: August 07, 2005, 08:31:39 AM »
I am happy to find out that I am not the only one with second thoughts. It makes me feel less mental, and a lot more normal.

I am extremely nervous about moving to a new state and starting law school. I worry that I will not fit in, or that I will not thrive in the Socratic/competitive nature of the classes. I also feel extremely weird not having a job, but once I get settled I will most likely find a part time job so that I do not have to take out crazy loans for the rest of the semesters.

In the end though, I know my anxiety has to take a back seat to allow me to achieve my dreams. If I do not do this, I will always regret it and wonder what if. So in light of that, I am going to move along and test the waters. Good luck to you all.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Still on a waitlist for fall of 05?
« on: August 06, 2005, 05:12:46 PM »
I am still on quite a few waitlists, but I only really care about Hofstra and maybe Pace, and only if they call before I move. I am headed to Albany Law School, and once I get settled I could care less if my waitlists call because I refuse to drop everything to run to them...especially if it would require losing tuition and apartment money. I honestly do not expect any calls at this point, but I do not really care that much either way.

Law School Applications / Re: "Demonstrated history of poor test taking"
« on: August 05, 2005, 02:56:56 PM »
I know that my addendum helped me. The deans at a few of the schools I applied to told me that my addendum was compelling and an asset to my application package.

I took the LSAT three times. The first and third test were 6 and 7 points higher than the second. I walked them through my decision for taking the test each time. I discussed my history with poor standardized test taking, and I backed that up with my SAT and GRE scores and my actual GPA in my undergrad and masters programs. In both cases the standardized tests were way off compared to my actual academic track record.

I then moved the addendum away from the LSAT score and focused on what I bring to the table and why I know I can succeed given the chance. I ended on a positive note, and avoided sounding like a cry baby all together. It is important to let the ad com see you as more than just numbers. You are selling yourself, and letting them know what your problems are and what you have that can compensate for those problems is certainly better than ignoring the problem in your application and hoping that maybe they just dont notice it.

Law School Applications / Re: "Demonstrated history of poor test taking"
« on: August 04, 2005, 07:38:48 PM »
I wrote an LSAT addendum about my history of poor standardized test taking. I took the SAT a number of times and did not score in a manner that depicted how I would do in college. My college and Masters GPA showed that standardized testing scores did not represent my academic abilities. In my situation, I was able to back up my claims.

The LSAT and other standardized tests are far from being actual law school exams. I am not an expert on law school exams, but from the two I took to gain admission into the law school that I am going to attend, they are nothing like the LSAT. Law school exams are mostly blue book style tests. There are some multiple choice questions, but they do not count for a large chunk of the grade. Most of your grade depends on how well you handle essay questions: recognize the issues, define the law that relates to the issues, analyze how the law relates to the facts and issues, and sum it up in a nice conclusion. You really need to be able to write and communicate your essay answers with clarity and confidence to do well on law school exams. Which is fine by me since I always excelled on blue book exams.

I am sure that if someone claims they test poorly but got an awesome SAT score then they would not really have anything to back up their claim about testing poorly. The excuse may be used in situations where it is not valid. But, there are actually people out there who just do not handle standardized tests well. Luckily the bar is a good mix of Multiple choice and essay questions.

Tommorrow is my last day of work! I am thrilled. I am going to bring in donuts or bagels for my clients. I have not decided which yet. Guess I will see what mood I am in when the morning rolls around!

Law School Applications / Re: Took LSAT 3 TIMES
« on: August 04, 2005, 04:28:02 PM »
I would keep calling, or emailing LSAC. They have to pick up or get back to you eventually.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Where does a poor kid go?
« on: August 04, 2005, 04:24:34 PM »
The world is not over if you do not do well on the LSAT. Sure, getting a scholarship and going for free would be ideal. But, if that does not happen your dreams are not over. You can still go to law school, you just have to deal with the loans that are associated with higher education. My parents tried to help me through undergrad, but I worked 40 hours a week and took out loans to pull it together. When I decided to go for my masters I was on my own. I was working full time and doing assistantships, so the cost was not crazy, but I had to take out loans for that too. I was nervous about financing law school through loans, but I do not have a choice since my parents can not afford to pay for me to go to school. Taking out the loans sucks, but as someone already mentioned, there are public interest programs that drop your loans, or greatly reduce them. Also, educational loans have such a low interest rate, and it is a given that most people will more or less pay them back for years and years. Debt sucks, but it goes hand in hand with any graduate school.

Hopefully you do well on the LSAT and can get a full or partial scholarship, but if not and law school is truly something you want to pursue, suck it up and take out the loans.

Law School Applications / Re: Taking the LSAT 3 times
« on: August 02, 2005, 11:42:34 AM »
I would not recommend taking the LSAT three times. It is a pain in the ass, and it is almost sadistic! With that said…I took the LSAT three times. But, if I would have just taken the time to research the law school admission process in the first place, I would have only taken it once. I was not sure if I really wanted to go to law school, so the first time I took the test, I did it on a whim and scored average. I met with a prelaw advisor who told me that if I could swing another 4 or 5 points I would be a more solid candidate at the schools I was looking to go to. I figured that he knew what he was talking about so I just took the test again a few months later. I practiced a little but I was a double major taking 18 to 21 credits a semester and working 40 hours a week. I did not put in the time I should have dedicated to practicing and scoring well enough to bring my score up. I thought familiarity with the test would help me get a few extra points. Unfortunately, I scored 5 points lower. At this point, I knew I was in some serious trouble. I put law school off for two years, got a masters degree and solid work experience. Then I decided law school was something I still wanted to pursue. But, I had to take the test a third time to make up for the second score. I put a lot of pressure on myself because I knew this would be the make or break factor.

I did a lot of research this time. I took a prep course, and I took one real LSAT test after the next in order to practice. My practice scores were 10 to 12 points higher than my highest score. I was really confident that I was going to do well. But, unfortunately for me, I do not handle standardized test well. I am not sure why since I can write a blue book with the best of them. Anyway, I was praying for anything that could prove the second score was a fluke. In the end the third test only brought me one point higher than my first test, but it was enough to write an addendum explaining the situation.

It worked for me, I got into law school, and I am happy. If things were different I might have been able to get into a better law school, but I am going to be a 1L at a solid law school, so I am happy. Sometimes you just have to deal with the cards you are dealt.

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