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Since your diags were showing that you were teting at > 160, you may want to take the test again. The gambles/issues with a second test is:

1. Your scores will get averaged. So even if you got a 163, your average would put you at a 160. It's an improvement, but not by major leaps and bounds.

2. If you do worse, your new score will get pulled down below 157.

3. If you do significantly better on a second test - say you made a ten point leap and got a 167 -  you may be able to write an addendum asking the school to focus only on your second score, and explain that your first score was not fully representative of your test taking skills, etc. The scores will still be averaged, but you highlight the better score so that they can consider that in the decision-making process.

Despite your #s, pick a few schools that are you "reach schools." What's the harm in sending in an application? Let them tell you no..... however you might just get surprised with a yes. Then pick a few schools that are your "saftey schools" just to keep your options open. The rest of the schools that fall in the middle will be where you're gonna have to shine your shoes and put the best foot forward.

As for lawschoolnumbers and xoxo, don't put tooooo much focus on that. Looking back, I can tell you that it's a lukewarm amount of b.s. LSN isn't a complete representative of all of this year's applicants (and sometimes people fudge the truth) and xoxo is a cesspool of mostly confused people talking about things they've "heard" and "seen", but most people haven't actually sat down for their first day of school as law students yet. Your first score isn't thaaaaaat bad and depending on the rest of your application, you may very well have a good shot at Hastings. Additionally, you have a unique undergrad major (not the typical poli sci/ sociology undergrad degree) so that will give you a bit of an edge.

You'll have to make the final call on the LSAT issue.... my other suggestions to you would be to write a stellar PS - be novel and sell your interest in Patent law. Since you have a CS background, you show a logical trend.... just make the connection to why you want to study law and you should be fine. Make sure you have good LORs, and hopefully you have some activities to add to your applications (besides Greek frats/'s good, but *yaaawn* most applicants also have that.) And whatever you do, APPLY EARLY!!!!!

Good luck!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: dual degree
« on: July 14, 2006, 05:26:23 AM »
I go to Pitt and there is a JD/MPA, with both degrees availale through Pitt. The only dual degrees through Pitt and CMU are the JD/MBA program and the JD/ MS in Public Policy and Management.

Obviously it will help if you have a an MPP, but it's not a dead end if you don't have one and want to work in policy. My old boss only had a BA and had worked in several high end public policy jobs in LA over the past 20 years(community/ government affairs, city council staff, etc). Building a reputation through solid experience and good networking is key.

But I agree with the others - if you want to get in at the federal level, some type of graduate degree will be needed. Going to law school will certainly give you a boost in the pub. policy circuit, and a dual MPPM will push you ahead even further. But you may still be able to achieve what you want with only one or the other. If you are dead set on public policy, you may also want to think about just going after that degree first - law school may not even be necessary. An MPPM is only two years and will be taylored to your interests, while in law school you will go through the first of three years, and spend little to no time as a 1L on matters related to the level of public policy that I'm assuming you are interested in.

Law school part time + work sounds like a pain... and why drag things out for four years when you can get it over in three? My vote would go to the school that admits you for the full time program. You really get in the mix of things, and get a chance to meet a lot more people (which believe it or not, is important in the long run!)

Loyola is a great school, but outside of working in Chicago, it seems to place mostly in the midwest. Although Pitt does boarder the midwest, many grads return to Philly, NY, DC, VA, FL etc.

A few things to keep in mind...

- Most Duq Law grads stay in the Pittsburgh area
- Few Duq Law grads are going to say something like their time there sucked and they wish they had gone to _____ Law school
- A lot off firms may be composed of more Duq Law than Pitt Law grads because as Pitt has moved up in the rankings, more Pitt grads have pursued employment opportunities in Philly or outside of PA
- Pitt has more reputable faculty than Duq

- If you choose Duq + plan to stay in Pittsburgh, you will be set. There is a strong alumni community in the city, so in terms of jobs, you will be fine.

- However, this does not mean that going to Pitt is going to work against you. Pitt is still the better option, because the name/reputation has more weight in the city, and you will also be MUCH more transplantable outside of Pittsburgh and PA.

Just my .02.........

so im from NYC..i love it here..finishing up UG in it there too...

assuming i get into both pitt and temple (which i think i have a good shot at doing) which city do you think is better?  i'm not a crazy partier but i do like to go out a doesnt have to be NYC crazy but , i do perfer something and reading this thread is kinda scaring me out of wanting to go to pitt...

Hi Suzieq... here's my .02 from another thread regarding your question....,41971.msg815399.html#msg815399

Love the outdated information. Hope you pay attention in your legal writing class...

The worst city for singles these days is Tampa. Read more here

LOL who cares what the worst city for singles is? That was not the point of my posting the article ...the info in the article still applies.  What does Pittsburgh not being the worst for singles anymore have to do with this?: 

Pittsburgh was the only metro area in our survey to see its total population fall between 1990 and 2000

My larger point still stands you joke...haha

I'm fried out from finals. Shoot me. But I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong. I jumped the gun, and that article IS the more recent one.... But it is correct that Pittsburgh isn't at the bottom of the list for singles anymore.

Anyways, I pointed out the singles issue because it is from there that the rest of the article branches out on there being a lot of old people in the area and why there isn't a raging nightlife (I these are some of the explanations for why you think the city is no good..?). But frankly, I'm tired of people using the Forbes article as a basis or proof for why they say Pittsburgh "sucks". Additionally, they are also quoting a CMU student's take of the nightlife, and you can ask ANYONE @ CMU (or even just throughout Pittsburgh) and they will tell you that CMU has definitely been hit by Invasion of the Nerds.

As for the population falling, that's based on the statistics of there being more old people dying off and not as many young people being in the city. But there are other upsides to being in the area. But there are plenty of undergrad/grad students all over Oakland, Shadyside, and Squirrel Hill, while a lot of the older folks live farther away from those areas and the campus.

Also, as the OP pointed out, the difference in real estate is quite notable.... you can get an $800K LA/NY condo or house for well under 1/3 the cost in Pittsburgh. Rents are also a lot lower in the city when compared to larger cities, and this is important to keep in mind when mapping out your costs for law school....(and maybe even afterwards when you are juggling student loan payments and other living expenses).

The bottom line is that Pittsburgh seems like a practical place for law students to be. You're not out in the middle of nowhere as if you went to Washington and Lee, but you're not dropped off in a hectic city where you have to constantly watch your back and pinch pennies to spend $1000+ on a studio apartment. There are a lot less distractions that you have to deal with, and believe me, these are factors that deserve some consideration as people narrow down their decisions.

look pittsburgh sucks!  The OP asked for comments on the city and he got mine.  Stress on the steel mill comments all you guys like if that makes it easier to avoid the bigger guys are welcome to your opinions as well.


Pittsburgh may be the best place in the world to watch a football game, but it's the worst place in America to be stuck with a lonely heart.

The Steel City is unforgiving to the unattached, coming near the bottom of all of the criteria we used to rank the best cities for singles. Pittsburgh was 33rd out of the 40 metro areas we examined in our singles ratio (see "Best Cities For Singles"). This should not be surprising when you consider that Allegheny county, where Pittsburgh is located, has the oldest population of any county in the U.S. outside Palm Beach County in Florida. Almost 18% of Allegheny's population is over 65, compared to 23.2% of Palm Beach.

Love the outdated information. Hope you pay attention in your legal writing class...

The worst city for singles these days is Tampa. Read more here There are also five other cities worse than Pittsburgh, according to the latest Forbes list.

As a big-city person living in Pittsburgh, I find that most people who are always whining about how much the city sucks were really just lame-@sses in larger cities, but they want to sound like big shots when they come back to a smaller place. Just an observation...

As I've said before, if ya don't like the place, move. But so far, my law school experience in the city has been great. And you really can't lose because if you decide to stay, being at Pitt puts you in a great position in the local legal job market. And if grads don't want to stay, they still have enough mobility to move on to other cities after going to Pitt. Sure, the city isn't party extravaganza all day, every day - but I don't know how much I can emphasize the point that you're going to LAW SCHOOL, not PARTY CENTRAL SCHOOL.

Didn't you say you lived "just outside" the city of Pittsburgh?? There probably isn't really much there, esp. when you are using NYC as your measuring's no surpise you have a jaded opinion of the city.

BP, we see your point, but it's very one-sided. It's like saying Cornell and USC are bad places to be because the school are located in dumpy areas. There's much more to NYC and LA than a less than the less-than-spectacular areas that might be nearby. Sure, Pittsburgh is a smaller city than those two, and doesn't have the full-buzz of a major metropolis, but that doesn't mean that it's a totally bad place to go to school. So I'll play up the other side with some other pics for everyone....

Besides, no one who goes to law school in Pittsburgh is going to be spending much time being near an old steel mill (unless they are perhaps local to the area and commuting in from another city). If anything, they'll be partying it up in the law library. There's still enough to do in the area so that life doesn't get too maddening... and as I've said earlier, if a law school grad doesn't love the 'Burgh they can move on to another city after they are done.....

Anyways, if anyone else wants to learn more about the neighborhoods around the city (you know, something beyond the steel mill factoid that _BP_ has enlightened us with), check this link w/ info from the school:

Here are some other pictures of the city....

The Cathedral of Learning- the second tallest academic building in the world. Great place for class, and lots of cultural events. Read more about it here: and here:
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If you're into sports, here's a shot of PNC Park:
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Here's downtown Pittsburgh @ night:
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If you want something like L.A. and NYC, you are NOT going to like Pittsburgh. It's a clean and enjoyable city, but it is not a hipster destination. There is a Saks Fifth Avenue and some good restaurants though. As for the joint degree, I have a friend that did the Pitt/CM joint degree and works for CAA in L.A. You should really visit before making any decisions.

Well a lot of cities suck when you compare them to LA and NYC...Tuscon bites when you compare it to LA, and Baltimore doesn't seem so great when you could be in NYC....

The city of Pittsburgh is not really one of America's hot spots, but that doesn't mean it's hell on earth either. But hey, you're going to law school to study, right? If someone wants to be in a city with a lot going on 24-7, I'd suggest that they move to that city and work & party for a little while, and get some of that out of their system. Then go to law school, and if they want to keep partying afterwards, after they can move to another big city graduate. No one said you have to stay in Pittsburgh forever.....

Sure we all want to have fun and be in a city with a lot going on, but keep in mind that you're probably going to be so busy in law school that you won't really have time go out all the time. It would seem adventageous to be in a place where you don't have a lot of distractions, rent is really cheap, and you can still go to a good law school. (And you can't go wrong with the oint MBA program @ CMU!!)

Just my .02....

Law School Admissions / Re: to apply or not to apply--HELP
« on: December 16, 2005, 08:46:41 AM »
ok, maybe no one wants to put that much thought into it.  How about New England School of Law versus Suffolk or Duquese versus U of Pitt (how is thier MBA program?)

The MBA program is strong. Pitt Law students can also apply for a joint MBA through Carnegie Mellon, which is an even better program.

Check this link for more info:

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