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I've got a tramp stamp and I can't imagine what I would ever wear to the office, to court, or to a coworker's wedding that would reveal it!

I guess if your shirt is always tucked in enough over your butt, you have nothing to worry about. Or if you never take your suit jacket off... ever... Or if you never ever plan to bend over to pick up a pen or piece of paper off of the floor. Or if you never ever ever have to grab a file out of the cabinet. OR if  you sit with you back stuffed up against the back of the chair and there's something there to cover any possibility of the mildest amount of a plumberís crack from showing. Or you plan to revert back to 1980s fashion and sport the high-rise look in the waist.


....then no, I can't imagine your tramp stamp showing in a work setting.  ;)

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...I think most LDS folks and young people in general don't find them to be too much of a big deal...

Mormons?

Mormons find the fact that I am not married and have no kids to be a big deal. They also find the fact that am not Mormon to be a VERY big deal.

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My vote: Don't do it.

Personally, I don't care if people have tattoos, and I think most LDS folks and young people in general don't find them to be too much of a big deal. However, after your three years are up, you are not going to spill into the legal world with a bunch of 20-somethings. You're gonna be working with people twice your age or even the same age as our parents. With this comes a generational difference of opinions about tattoos - especially when it comes to women. Sure, you can say right now that you don't want to work in a place that's going to 'judge me for my tat' - but you may not feel as dismissive in four or five years.

Even if you could cover it up at work, you never know when that big event is going to come up (co-workers weddings, formal occasions, etc) where your badge or pride may be on full display. For conservative and/or older folk, it may not be something that they will outright hold against you, but it may change their impression of you. And for someone coming out into the workforce with a very large bar number, you need every ounce of respect you can collect.

Even at school, I will hear a student say on occasion, "Oh, did you see that big tattoo on her arm/ stomach? etc. In my opinion, this is coming from most of the *squares* that you will meet in law school - but the reality is that tattoos don't always make a favorable impression on everyone or in every industry. As a fellow Californian, I will say that things are a bit more relaxed... not all judges are going to ream your for wearing open toed shoes or forgetting to sport some nylons, and there are more open-minded professionals in the area. However, the social climate will vary from firm to firm and I think it would suck to have a tattoo or a piercing limit your opportunities after working your butt off for three years.

The choice is yours. And whatever you do, DO NOT GET A TRAMP STAMP!!!


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"Somewhere in the middle" was in reference to him/her falling in between being an auto reject and auto admit. People in the 1-25th percentile are not necessarily auto-rejects; they are just in the bottom 25th percentile of applicants. Yes, perhaps more people in the 25-75th++ percentile will be admitted than the bottom 25%, but pleanty of people in the 25-75th percentile will also be rejected, especially considering there are only about 400 seats.

Although the GPA and LSAT are on the lower end of the percentile, I don't think kinetic is in a total dead end. Clearly there is increased possibility of auto rejection when looking at the first LSAT score, but since he/she is planning to retake the test, it will hopefully become less of an issue. However a 157 doesn't mean s/he is totally out of the game - sure, when you look at the numbers, it is not as promising that s/he may get admitted, but key factors like the PS, LORs, UGM would play a key role in helping (or hindering) the app. Obviously LSAT/GPA are the most important in one's application, but if the other factors didn't matter, the adcomm wouldn't waste their time or ours in requiring those items as part of the application.

Nevertheless, I agree with you on your idea that making mention of the upcoming exam should certainly keep kinetic afloat during the application process.

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Also, something no one mentioned here is that there is a very high chance that most schools will be taking the higher score for the next app. cycle. Call the schools you are interested in and see what they are doing.

I agree with this... word on the board seems to be that more schools are now taking the highest score instead of averaging. According to the LSAC FAQs section, they said they will average the scores on the reports.... but yes, it's best to check with the schools that you are interested in.


Applying early may or may not help in many cases. Schools like to say they have a rolling admissions policy but many of them appear to have "modified" rolling admissions policies. This means, they may sort applicants by index number. The people with the highest numbers get accepted first, then they go down the line. Some applicants are auto-rejected, Some "borderline" applicants will be waitlisted or deferred.

A majority of schools seem to sort applicants by index number, and break the piles into auto-admits, auto-rejects, and then the applicants that fall somewhere in the middle. My guess is that currently, you'd fall in the middle and it would seem advantageous to have your app in as soon as possible, so the adcomm can give it stronger consideration, rather than sending it in January and learning that it was tossed in the waitlist pile. (Even if you got waitlisted in Dec., your chances of getting off the waitlist are more promising since other admitted students may pass up Hastings in the months to come. This would give you a better a chance of getting off the WL in early 07, instead of perhaps barely getting on the WL sometime in late spring and crossing your fingers that something would open up by the summer.)

Additionally, if you get  your app in early, and follow up with a note to Hastings stating, "Hi, I just wanted to update my application with the results of my LSAT. I got a score of 168!!", that's definitely the kind of follow-up news that looks great on an application.


The *absolute* worse case scenario is that you put off law school for a couple of years, take the patent bar, get some patent experience, then apply to law school again when you can take the LSAT a fourth time. LSAC will only let you take the test 3 times in a two year period. Since you graduated in '05, it might not be a bad idea to do this anyway.

Another solid piece of advice! I know it seems weird to put off law school and - *gasp* - work, but I'm really glad I waited a few years until I went back. No, you will not fall behind schedule or be the "old" person at school. So far, I've found that employers have looked quite favorably at my work experience and it gives them something else to talk about in an interview aside from school. Additionally, you have the rest of your life to be a lawyer - why not take a year or two to explore another path, learn what it's like to work, and see what the world has to offer? In the end, the choice is yours, but it's just some food for thought....

Again, good luck!!

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Minority Topics / Re: Very Low LSAT
« on: July 14, 2006, 09:21:26 AM »
So  I have two low LSAT scores-- 140's and a 3.46 GPA. I am planning on taking the test again after SERIOUS preparation. Is there any chance of me getting into a good law school? If so what schools would you recommend? Or should I just give up on law school. 

Ok, let's get the bad news out of the way. You've lost your solid shot at Harvard. Booohooo...

Now, time for some damage control....
You have a great GPA so obviouly you have some smarts. Since you got a score in the 140s without serious prep, that shows that you need to change how you've approached the test. Many people in my LSAT class started out in the 140s on their first diags, and increased to the 150s 160s and beyond by the time the class was over. My experience with LSAT classes is the following: stay away from Kaplan, Princeton Review is more miss than hit (it was a miss in my case), and Testmasters (Testmasters180.com) saved my future as a law student.

The deal with aveaged scores....
Ok, it does suck that most schools average scores. I agree with the others - look for schools that don't average. However don't limit yourself to only those schools. Even if you only wind up an aveaged score in the high 150s, it's not the end of the road. You can write an addendum asking the adcomm to take note of your higher score, and that your first score is not representative of your testing skills, etc. It doesn't wipe away the fact that you had a lower score, but it brings attention to your improvement.

4th tier isn't your only option...
Don't sell yourself so short. I always tell people, "Let them tell you no." I say this because sometimes, they just might tell you yes. Or even waitlist you, and many time the WL game can land in  your favor. Of course you should be practical and not bother applying to places like Harvard (unless you want to frame the rejection letter, and let it hang on the wall next to your diploma from U of XYZ when you're a successful attorney. Then you can laugh and say, "Can you believe it - Harvard rejected MEE?? Bwahaha!) Even if your average is in the 150's, it's not a complete dead end for you, especially with your GPA and any other factors you will list on your application.


Relax (and save those nerves for your first set of law school exams)....good luck on lsat # 2 and those apps!!

Hope this helps.....

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Since your diags were showing that you were teting at > 160, you may want to take the test again. The gambles/issues with a second test is:

1. Your scores will get averaged. So even if you got a 163, your average would put you at a 160. It's an improvement, but not by major leaps and bounds.

2. If you do worse, your new score will get pulled down below 157.

3. If you do significantly better on a second test - say you made a ten point leap and got a 167 -  you may be able to write an addendum asking the school to focus only on your second score, and explain that your first score was not fully representative of your test taking skills, etc. The scores will still be averaged, but you highlight the better score so that they can consider that in the decision-making process.
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Despite your #s, pick a few schools that are you "reach schools." What's the harm in sending in an application? Let them tell you no..... however you might just get surprised with a yes. Then pick a few schools that are your "saftey schools" just to keep your options open. The rest of the schools that fall in the middle will be where you're gonna have to shine your shoes and put the best foot forward.

As for lawschoolnumbers and xoxo, don't put tooooo much focus on that. Looking back, I can tell you that it's a lukewarm amount of b.s. LSN isn't a complete representative of all of this year's applicants (and sometimes people fudge the truth) and xoxo is a cesspool of mostly confused people talking about things they've "heard" and "seen", but most people haven't actually sat down for their first day of school as law students yet. Your first score isn't thaaaaaat bad and depending on the rest of your application, you may very well have a good shot at Hastings. Additionally, you have a unique undergrad major (not the typical poli sci/ sociology undergrad degree) so that will give you a bit of an edge.

You'll have to make the final call on the LSAT issue.... my other suggestions to you would be to write a stellar PS - be novel and sell your interest in Patent law. Since you have a CS background, you show a logical trend.... just make the connection to why you want to study law and you should be fine. Make sure you have good LORs, and hopefully you have some activities to add to your applications (besides Greek frats/sororities....it's good, but *yaaawn* most applicants also have that.) And whatever you do, APPLY EARLY!!!!!

Good luck!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: dual degree
« on: July 14, 2006, 08:26:23 AM »
I go to Pitt and there is a JD/MPA, with both degrees availale through Pitt. The only dual degrees through Pitt and CMU are the JD/MBA program and the JD/ MS in Public Policy and Management.

Obviously it will help if you have a an MPP, but it's not a dead end if you don't have one and want to work in policy. My old boss only had a BA and had worked in several high end public policy jobs in LA over the past 20 years(community/ government affairs, city council staff, etc). Building a reputation through solid experience and good networking is key.

But I agree with the others - if you want to get in at the federal level, some type of graduate degree will be needed. Going to law school will certainly give you a boost in the pub. policy circuit, and a dual MPPM will push you ahead even further. But you may still be able to achieve what you want with only one or the other. If you are dead set on public policy, you may also want to think about just going after that degree first - law school may not even be necessary. An MPPM is only two years and will be taylored to your interests, while in law school you will go through the first of three years, and spend little to no time as a 1L on matters related to the level of public policy that I'm assuming you are interested in.

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Law school part time + work sounds like a pain... and why drag things out for four years when you can get it over in three? My vote would go to the school that admits you for the full time program. You really get in the mix of things, and get a chance to meet a lot more people (which believe it or not, is important in the long run!)

Loyola is a great school, but outside of working in Chicago, it seems to place mostly in the midwest. Although Pitt does boarder the midwest, many grads return to Philly, NY, DC, VA, FL etc.


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Duquesne Law? Pros/Cons PLEASE help
« on: March 24, 2006, 10:46:24 PM »
A few things to keep in mind...

- Most Duq Law grads stay in the Pittsburgh area
- Few Duq Law grads are going to say something like their time there sucked and they wish they had gone to _____ Law school
- A lot off firms may be composed of more Duq Law than Pitt Law grads because as Pitt has moved up in the rankings, more Pitt grads have pursued employment opportunities in Philly or outside of PA
- Pitt has more reputable faculty than Duq


- If you choose Duq + plan to stay in Pittsburgh, you will be set. There is a strong alumni community in the city, so in terms of jobs, you will be fine.

- However, this does not mean that going to Pitt is going to work against you. Pitt is still the better option, because the name/reputation has more weight in the city, and you will also be MUCH more transplantable outside of Pittsburgh and PA.

Just my .02.........

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