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General Board / Re: Government Work and Politics
« on: May 05, 2005, 12:17:32 PM »
Well Jumbo,

I think there are many avenues that a large firm can open. I would just advise that you know what your life will look like and the type of work that you'll be doing. If you are ok with that, then its a good choice for you. However, I know what mind-numbingly boring corporate style office work is like, and to think that as an associate at a firm the types of jobs you'll be doing will be anything other than the most mundane and repetitive legal research, filing, and writing tasks would be erroneous. You will have very little responsibility (in the big picutre), be very far removed from any final product, and be able to take very little satisfaction in the end result of your work (unless of course business transactions fill you with a sense of fulness and well being). Legal work is dull, ask anyone lawyer, and the key is to assess why it is you want to do what you do. What door is it that you want opened? The post above this one is a great example and he/she finds the criminal justice system to be extremely engaging.

I find policy work and political struggle to be intriguing and their are many ways as a lawyer to work into a policy related position. I may even work at a large firm, but it would have to translate into government in some way and I know these positions are few and far between, usually reserved for those with very specialized government experience, not a newbie LS grad. Anyway, although a majority of elected officials may have been involved in private practice (the majority definately have not been a part of BigLaw), it is their political involvement in other arenas that allowed them to attain office.

General Board / Re: Government Work and Politics
« on: May 04, 2005, 12:17:32 PM »
Had enough of the corporate hell? What area of business have been employed in? What has you changing your mind? Good to know there are others who see something beyond the devilish lure of BigLaw.

General Board / Re: Government Work and Politics
« on: May 02, 2005, 05:35:13 PM »
I guess no one? Everyone chases dollars? Do you know what the attrition rate is at the most coveted big law positions? 70% after 7 years. Have fun hating your life, all of you who see that 125k starting salary in your eyes. And really, truth be told, you are working two jobs, since thats what 80 hrs a week is. I'll work one job, thanks, and make 70k. I'm ok with that. Peace.

Ok, I tried this subject in more of a roundabout way in a previous post, but I think perhaps the post may have been too long. This is what I wanted to get at.

Q: Why do you want your J.D.?

A: To effect social change through political activity at the local or state level

Intended Career Path (generally speaking)

Work for the DOJ  in civil rights or other politically
progressive/engaging manner, in time run for state/local office

Undergraduate Major

Political Science and Sociology

U of California - Hastings / Re: Housing
« on: April 15, 2005, 10:31:36 AM »
Thanks. It helps. I was just wondering how you thought the school stacked up against others. People make such a huge deal out of the rankings, and the information I would love to have would be more along the lines of what people who have attended like and dislike.

I have also applied at the University of Minnesota, but they have rolling admissions and I applied very close to the deadline. They reviewed my application and didn't reject me, but put me in an applicant pool that they fill the remaining positions of their class with once they get a better idea of how many of the already accepted students will attend.

Its a hard choice if I am accepted. I can't say anyone in my family or my girlfriend are excited for me to leave, so I get a lot of "here anything back yet from the U" (We call it the UofM around here, and typically its referred to as The U). It would be a thousand times cheaper and colder to stay here. Not to mention, even though the U is higher ranked, I'm not convinced that it places nationally or outside the region much better than say hastings. And hastings is in a region I would already want to be in so it'll be a tough choice if the U wants me.

Thanks for the additional info!

General Board / Government Work and Politics
« on: April 14, 2005, 01:49:21 PM »
It is a known fact that a large proportion of those seeking a law degree do, in fact, possess a political science degree as well. I will be attending, in all probability, UC Hastings which reports that something in the neighborhood of 20% of its students fall into this category, myself included.

I am an idealist, and though working hard to graduate in the top of my class in order to "earn" the right to contribute handsomely to Dewey Cheatum and Howe has its allure (specifically, about $125,000 dollars a year worth of allure), it does not speak much to my core values, beliefs or ambitions. I’ve spent the better part of a year working for corporate America doing various tasks for the illustrious Target Corporation, and know that large firms operate in the same way. It is a lonely, empty, and unfulfilling existence. I am certain that there are many others who feel much the same way.

For all the talk and time individuals spend on these boards ranting about rankings and firm placement, is there not anyone who is concerned about their law degree and how it can be used in significant and meaningful ways:  upholding and advancing civil rights, promoting legislation that furthers the interests of the impoverished, identifying and reverse practices the results of which, though not intended to be racist, are racist.

So my question is, who is with me? Where are you political science majors? Does anyone have eyes for the “greater good”, for working on legislation, and being involved one way or another in public policy? What are you doing to prepare, what avenues are you peering down, and what’s the experience you are carving out for yourself in law school to facilitate your goal?

U of California - Hastings / Re: Housing
« on: April 14, 2005, 01:11:53 PM »
Kurt, you the man. You know what, if there is a full size adequate gym, that sells me on the tower anyway. Great stuff. You know its funny, about the homeless and the hills thing, is that i read some other posts months back that said the exact same thing, "bums don't like hills".

I wonder if it isn't more the case that "snobs like nob hill" and all hills in the City. That makes the hills more expensive thereby making them out of the price range for most homeless folks. They wouldn't be tolerated on the hills and would be harrassed by the locals/law enforcement. You don't have that problem on flat (and therefore less valuable) property. That and its probably easier to find places to lie down.

Will you be attending Hastings for sure? Can you compare it to any other schools you have toured? Just sort of curious since I won't be making any such tours until I relocate.

PS - I sorta trashed people on Nob hill and San Fran in general, but I mean no offense. I'm just intrigued at the speed at which people trash the homeless or "bums" as we say. So if wan can call the homeless bums, we can call the "rich" snobs, deal? Ok, deal.

U of California - Hastings / Hastings - A Very Competitive School
« on: April 12, 2005, 04:54:02 PM »
How much have you all heard or know first hand about hastings being a competitive school? I've heard things first hand from students that its cutthroat and then I've heard that it doesn't deserve that reputation at all. Moreover, it might be just me, but I have a feeling this school lacks much of a social life, due to its stand alone non-affiliation with an undergrad and due to the competitive nature of the school.

Berkeley would have been so much easier with its kumbaya grading approach, and the fact that employers want the dumbest laziest pricks at Berkeley over the smartest grads from any "lesser" law schools. Do I sound bitter? Well I am. 

U of California - Hastings / Re: Housing
« on: April 12, 2005, 04:43:34 PM »
You'll have to let me know what they look like. If you've gone already let me know and give me the details: namely size, overall aesthetic quality, and the size and extent of the weight room. I'm flying by the seat of my pants on all this *&^%. I'm from Minneapolis and its not economically feasible for me to check the living situation out. Bascially what it comes down to is that I know I can find a better place for the equivalent price with the same incentives/utilities etc, but I don't have the time, energy or the give a @#!* to do it. I don't want to have a car, they suck, and this place fits the bill. Plus I love homeless people and bad neighborhoods. I'll be very interested to see the this area around campus that is so bad. I can't figure out if its that people in San Fran aren't used to seeing homeless people in their little Upper Class city, or if the homeless people are really that thick. I see homeless people everyday, and speak with many of them, that doesn't scare me. Northeast Minneapolis scares me. Thats a place you don't want to be, unless you want to be shot or get hard looking at rundown, vacant properties.

U of California - Hastings / Housing
« on: March 11, 2005, 11:03:34 AM »
Ok, will someone tell me why should I be putting down 650-1000 per
month to live in rooms ranging from ridiculously tiny to just tiny.
I talked to someone from the tower and she said the efficiencies are
250 sq ft. Do you know how small that is? I suppose I could always
pay a little more for a room that is 450 square feet.

Thing is, for the price thats small, even by San Francisco
standards, ESPECIALLY considering the neighborhood. Ok, so why is it
that I am trying to move into this place. Whats the benefit? Are my
complaints/concerns not valid?

I also find it intriguing that they do not post any interior shots of the residence units. Are they that bad?

I'm just having a hard time justifying why I'm attempting ot put down large sums of money for a place, that I don't feel is worth the price. Will someone please vindicate my actions?

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