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I hope steve.jd and CS4L hang out at Harvard.  The combined gravitic pull of their prestige-egos will put all of the 1Ls, as well as most of the 2 and 3Ls, and a handful of the faculty into orbit.  After a short time, they will all collapse upon each other creating the first man made black hole, ripping Cambridge into some space-time paradox before the black hole decays away to nothing...  Good bye.

Who is CS4L?

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So what you're saying, Steve, is that the difference between attending NYU and attending Michigan is making millions of dollars on the one hand and a miserable existence on the other?  Right.  I'm sure that's true.

Sigh... what to misconstrue what I said.

Life is about probabilities.  Your odds of going to "Cravath" to list one example are substantially higher from NYU than from Michigan.  Your odds of going from "Cravath" to a hedge fund where you could potentially make millions are higher than from "Cahill."  Therefore, your odds of going to said hedge fund from NYU are higher than from Michigan.

HTH. 

FYI: there is a huge difference between famous professors and GOOD professors.  Screw famous, just teach me what I need to know! 

This isn't really true; good professors are great - I think every professor I've had has been really good.  But its not as if they are teaching you how to draft a probate document or how to answer a motion.  Most of what they teach you isn't practical anyway, and to that end I'd rather have a guy (or girl) who can write me a kickass letter of rec to secure a much better clerkship.

Ideally, you want to have good + famous, but I think there is value in just being famous.

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There actually is a big difference between working at Cravath and Cahill - whether or not you acknowledge it.

If you're a prestige whore, of course there is.  If you're not -- remind me, exactly what is the effectual difference?

The difference is that after 3-4 years at Cravath you get to leave and make millions of dollars at a hedge fund or in the alternative stay at Cravath for 6 or 7 years then leave to become a partner at Cahill or some other "lesser" firm.  At Cahill you don't get to do that.

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its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.

this is wrong

So you're saying that NYU is in a totally different league than Michigan? Please justify beyond USNews.

Yes - biglaw, clerkships, more famed profs, better speakers, i think they are more or less equal in academia.

It's the word "much" which is problematic.  Because the difference you're talking about... sorry, but it only works out like that from within the prestige-whore paradigm.

I didn't write the word "much" - the difference isnt't as small as you think

It's in the text that you responded to (and without carving it out).

That is, from your posts, we can say that you have said:
1. NYU is much better than Michigan
2. NYU is in a totally different league than Michigan


I agree with 1 and 2 which say baically the same thing

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Unless you want to modify your position, don't make a show of noting that you didn't write the word (you did of course use the word).

I know what the difference is, both in terms of placement and in terms of faculty.  Like I said, statements (1) and (2) are true only from within the prestige-whore paradigm.  If it makes a big difference to you if you're working at Cravath instead of White & Case instead of Cahill, then maybe NYU is dramatically more good.  The same thing works on the quality -- oh no, excuse me, you're concerned with the fame -- of the professors.

There actually is a big difference between working at Cravath and Cahill - whether or not you acknowledge it.

Also, the fame of the professors is important.  A recommendation from a well known professor carries a hell of a lot more weight with judges and employers than a rec from a great teacher who is completely unknown.

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nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

This is also wrong.

nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

Explain. Michigan still has top notch faculty and great placement.


absolutely....but it is not in the same league as NYU. On a more serious note, I started this thread as 1/2 flame, 1/2 serious bewilderment over my disappointment with what are pretty decent, but nonetheless (apparently) disheartening options

We're in the same boat I actually share your feelings but dare not voice them because I would get slaughtered.

Unfortunately I think the real prestige jump is to HYS. There seems no real difference between NYU and Michigan.

This is credited

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its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.

this is wrong

So you're saying that NYU is in a totally different league than Michigan? Please justify beyond USNews.

Yes - biglaw, clerkships, more famed profs, better speakers, i think they are more or less equal in academia.

It's the word "much" which is problematic.  Because the difference you're talking about... sorry, but it only works out like that from within the prestige-whore paradigm.

I didn't write the word "much" - the difference isnt't as small as you think


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its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.

this is wrong

So you're saying that NYU is in a totally different league than Michigan? Please justify beyond USNews.

Yes - biglaw, clerkships, more famed profs, better speakers, i think they are more or less equal in academia.

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its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.

this is wrong

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Two women love me! My wallet is too small for my fifties and my diamond shoes are too tight!

darn, and i thought i was the only one having this issue...what do you recommend?  I was going to have my butler follow me around with a briefcase full of them...

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I think that CLS is a great school; I almost went there.  And I think that the difference between CLS and HLS is slight and fairly arbitrary.  However, I think it would be a mistake to just equate the two, even when talking about firm jobs.  I got a 1L firm job, and the firm came to HLS to interview us.  The only other school they went to was Stanford.  And they told us in the interview that they wanted 1, maybe 2, HLS first years for each office and the same for SLS.  They weren't even considering students from other schools.  Now the difference recedes some when you get to 2L recruiting simply because those jobs are more plentiful.  But I just wanted to share because I wasn't even thinking in terms of such differences when I was trying to decide where to go.  It's tempting to disregard the difference, because like I said, I think it is pretty arbitrary, but there are times when the difference, as perceived by the rest of the world, matters.  And I'm extremely happy with my summer job.

A bunch of firms did OCI for Columbia 1Ls as well. I haven't seen anything that indicates it's easier to get a firm job as a Harvard 1L than it is as a Columbia 1L.

FWIW I dont think I know a single person who wanted a 1L firm job and din't get one (without grades to boot).  That may be true at CLS as well I dunno...

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