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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Food Stamps
« on: June 02, 2004, 11:06:16 AM »
"so you're saying that it is not possible to have a college degree and be in need?"

You can be - but if you are thinking about going to a school that costs somewhere around 7k-30k a year, you probably aren't in need.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Food Stamps
« on: June 02, 2004, 10:52:07 AM »
Law students have a college degree - right then and there they fall into a "privledged" class.  You may have little or no money going to Yale - but you have a degree, you could work (if you weren't in school) and you made the choice to go to Yale.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Food Stamps
« on: June 02, 2004, 10:46:38 AM »
"Why do you assume that students choose not to work?"

Most schools have policies that first year law students cannot work. If you go to an ABA approved school full-time, the ABA says you cannot work your first year.  When you turn in your application at most schools that I have seen, there is a box where you say you understand this policy and you will not work your first year.

"Why do you assume that the student is not working?"

I assume they are not working because at some schools, this is even in the honor code that you say you will abide by.  The first year, you are not suppose to work (of course this is only ABA schools full-time).

"When I was in the army I qualified for food stamps.  They even had an NCO who was given the job of helping soldiers apply for food stamps, among other duties."

That is because we don't pay our soldiers anything and most have to get food stamps.  This is different than law school students.  How does this tie in.

Please relize, I am making mostly general statements.  This does not count for students that are going at night (thus working most-likely), have dependants (children or parents) or otherwise are not the "typical" student.  Most of my statements are about the "typical" student - 20's, not single parents, and not disabled in someway.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Food Stamps
« on: June 02, 2004, 10:22:54 AM »
The reason that students shouldn't get food stamps (unless they qualify, which reading through the food stamp program, they most likely won't) is because they choose not to work.  Part of the requirements, if you are a student, is that you work at least 20 hours a week.  A first year law student knows, going into it, that he or she isn't allowed to work the first year.  He or she also knows that taking out loans is a fact of life for most law school students.  Of course, if a student has children, cares for an elderly parents, etc, that changes it, but if the student is a 26 year old who has choosen to go back to school, he or she has made the choice to not work (which would pay for food) and take out loans for school/room and board. 

Politics and Law-Related News / Re: Fox News?
« on: June 02, 2004, 10:10:58 AM »
One day for fun, I was watching something on Iraq and switched between the three main news channels to see the difference.  Something along the following lines were what they were saying about the same event:

MSNBC:  The war in Iraq is getting out of control.  Just today, 3 more soldiers died in the war tha Bush got us into.  There are still no wmd's found and Congressional hearings are going on to get to the bottom of this travesty!

FoxNews:  Three soldiers were killed by extremist terrorists today in a blatent act of terriorism.  The war in Iraq is still being found by our men and women of the Armed Forces who are searching for the wmd's that are still being hidden in Iraq.  Democrats again had frequent outbursts in the Congressional hearings.

CNN:  Three soldiers were killed in Iraq in a car bomb.  No one has claimed responsibility yet.  On the Hill, Congressional hearings started on their (something) day with both Republicans and Democrats talking to so and so.

Anytime I've done this (switch between the three stations), it always seems MSNBC=left, FoxNews=right, CNN=more facts than the other two.  Of course, if they are having their news shows hosted by people, then it depends on the person, but just for news it always seems that they are pretty much on those lines.

Since Focus on the Family is based in Colorado Springs, my bet is that it was just a campaign stop on the way - or that James Dobson is going to the AFA to meet before Bush gives his speech.  From what I have read (it has been in the newspapers a little here), it is to get his conservative base behind him for the election.  Also, Colorado Springs is very right and two of the congresspeople (Musgrave and Allard) who are trying to get the anti-gay marriage amendment passed are from that area.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Food Stamps
« on: June 02, 2004, 10:01:52 AM »
Food stamps aren't there for law students - they are there for people that really need them.  A law student made the choice to go to law school. A law student, just by the fact that he or she has already has atleast a college degree has more earning potiental than many people.  Food stamps are there for people that are mentally or physically ill, have come on hard times (such as having a spouse die), or are older and can't work anymore.  By this reasoning, I don't think they are there for law students.  Personally, I also don't think they are there for someone who has had many children without being able to support them when they had them (not for people that had them and then lost a spouse, etc) because that was also a choice they made.  (However, the problem is that once the children are here, they have to be fed, thus why I am completely for birth control being given out freely to people on welfare)

An interesting side note - Bush is in Colorado today.  He just went down to the Springs for the Air Force Academy's graduation.  While he is down there, he is meeting with James Dobson, the head of Focus on the Family...  makes you wonder who is running the country - Bush or his conservative religious friends.

Law School Admissions / Re: Work Experience
« on: June 01, 2004, 02:41:47 PM »
Typically when I hear work experience, I don't count 15 hours a week during undergrad.  If you worked full time during ug or had 4 years were you worked between ug and applying for a job, I think that is what it is typically referred too.  I'd put it down, but I think that only kinda counts.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Food Stamps
« on: June 01, 2004, 02:40:06 PM »
As far as overpopulation, the US is actually approaching zero population growth.

It makes sense to care for the hungry and the sick.  It's part of my value system.  If the richest and most powerful nation on the earth can't be humane, then there is no hope and we might just as well go back to the jungle.

I think the problem with this is that we aren't just caring for the hungry and the sick - we are caring for the lazy and stupid too.  And from what I have seen, we aren't doing a great job of caring for the sick and hungry (especially children and vets) because we are spending so much money on the lazy and stupid.

Most of my feelings on foodstamps/welfare comes from the people I have known on it - most of whom, imo, were scamming the system.  For example, I knew someone who was 14 and looking to get pregnant so that she could drop out of school and have money to party with.  Taking care of a kid was her last concern, but she knew she'd get money for having one.  Another example, someone on food stamps who had 8 kids - being on food stamps starting with the first one but instead of using protection to not have kids, kept having them.  Another, someone who was physically able to work but figured he's milk his "injury" as long as possible - he was able to do everything (go out for beer, see movies, buy stuff, etc) except work.

Going on those examples, the money seemed to be spent there.  However, the people that I knew that really needed the money (mostly children from abused homes), it was hard to get any money for them - the money would go to their parents (who no longer had custody or at least didn't have the children living with them) or the money just wasn't there.

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