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i know what you mean. i am in a tier 1 school, yet it is just not as good as other schools in tx. i "wont get a job" just cause im not in the higher ranked tier 1 school. people always look down upon other schools because they want to feel good about their school even if they hate it. its bs, but its life. we all have to deal, i have. it took awhile, i was really ticked off for awhile about people dissing my school because it "focuses on black letter law too much". but whatever, im gonna get a job, im gonna love it, and they can all kiss my, well you know...

Affirmative Action / Re: Affirmative action = bullsh*t
« on: July 24, 2005, 01:39:58 AM »
Bottom line:  The white people of America have stomped and spat on the minorities of this and other countries since the inception of this country.  IT IS ABOUT TIME FOR SOME REPARATIONS!

"The white people of America," on the whole, have not stomped or spat on minorites.  There are certain white people who have done so, and there are certain white people who have also spat on various etnicities within their own race.  There are also black people who engage in reverse racism, sexism, classism and religious bigotry.  Should we look at the way so many male black entertainers portray women in their videos and declare that, since those entertainers are so popular in the black community, it must mean that black men on the whole stomp and spit on the female sex?  No.  Neither then should we look at the behavior of 200 or 100 or 50 or even 25 years ago and declare that "white people of America" have done so towards blacks.  As a white individual, who has never done anything of the sort, and has actively campaigned against all the "isms," I find such broad, historical generalizations insulting and hurtful.    

This is really why I have a problem with the discussions of race and AA in admissions, because this is what it boils down to.  Bringing up slavery in relation to a student applying for admission to law school in the year 2005 is just putting needless fuel on the fire.  Anyone applying to law school has obviously had a solid K-12 education and has earned a 4 year degree from an accredited university.  To compare that person to Harriet Tubman or even Rosa Parks is enormously insulting to those two individuals.

We need to address the problems that lead to people suggesting AA as a solution rather than just apply that solution to a neverending problem.  We need to use the political machinery that attempts to provide priority to those who haven't earned it to make sure that no individual needs that priority.  I can't stand GW Bush, but when he argued in favor of "affirmative access," I had to agree with him.  Access to quality education and a home environment that facilitates academic and social success and opportunity should be our focus, not allowing those two things to go unheard of by so many people in this country of all races and then trying to make ammends 20 or 30 years later with handouts.  I am totally 100% for diversity of race, sex and religion in both the academic and professional world, but AA, as it is currently used, is like digging a hole with hand and filling it with the other.    

thank you for being a voice of reason and actually making sense with an argument that has logic instead of emotion

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Tulsa or St. Mary's?
« on: July 23, 2005, 11:58:23 AM »
DONT GO TO ST MARYS! I had a full ride, free accomadations at my in-laws, and still declined (gives you an idea). They are considered crap law school in TX except in San Antonio, even there they are not looked upon very well anymore. They didnt have a "dip" in the 1990's, they crashed. Yes, they are trying to come back, but run. The facilities are high school like. The library is really nice, but that is it. Staff and students seemed quite unhappy to be there, and most seem, well, bottom tier. Trust me, I had high hopes for the school. I reall, really wanted it to be a good school. I kept trying to kid myself it was. Then I visited. Yikes...  :o

dude, i cant believe you people would even bring up a rim job... i think i am gettting ill now... :-[

going down  :)
going down during period??!?!?!?!  :o
yikes, why would you even ask... ugh

Affirmative Action / Re: Affirmative action = bullsh*t
« on: July 21, 2005, 12:17:35 PM »

HowardDavis - your philosophy class was obviously intro then. Who were you studying? Kant? Or were you studying Mill? We discriminate against the majority all the time. We discriminate against the minority all the time. I think it depends on the reason. Study past intro to philosophy, then get back to me. And what the hell are you saying discrimination doesn't justify discrimination for? That's a stupid statement. Affirmative action isn't trying to justify the discrimination of the past. Putting stupid comments in only detracts from your arguement overall for future reference.

Long post...been a long day. Hope you all have a good night though.

Have a good night? What bs is that? First you yell at Vinny for spewing "venom", then you call people stupid? Why don't we actually debate instead of name call? Just a thought. I was referring to intro to philosophy to show that it is quite simple to understand how the argument for AA does not work, and your argument keeps the same circle going (just so you know, I have my MA in philo so please don't act hoity toity like you know so much about philo and I just need to study more). In your argument you say that minorities were held back and that gives them the right to have an upper hand to get into schools. When does that end? AA has been going on for over 20 years... Yes, your argument is going to be discrimination is still going on and has been going on for over 200 years, but when do we end AA? Also, what about those defendants out there who get somebody who gets into a Law School or companies that get an engineering student who got into school because of AA and should not have (ie AA did not help someone who deserved to get in but had been held back because of discrimination, but just someone who should not have got in). AA can have a powerful negative impact, as has been shown in Chicago where some female firefighters who could not have passed the normal firefighting school have caused injuries and not been able to fulfill their duties. I hope and pray that kind of activity does not and has not occurred due to AA affecting Law School.

Affirmative Action / Re: Affirmative action = bullsh*t
« on: July 20, 2005, 11:31:52 AM »

It is because of their skin color that many URM's have been discriminate d against. Not be one or two people, but by an institution. A long legacy of discrimination that was endorsed by the government. And, unfortunately, even decades later minorities are still coping with the impact of that kind of discrimination.

But that doesn't matter anyway right?

So it's ok to fix discrimination by discriminating against the majority that discriminated in the first place? Sounds like my freshman year philosophy course that went around in circles to prove that an argument makes no sense. Discrimination does not justify discrimination.

Actually I would have preferred Clement and my dislike of him is 100% ideologically motivated; but, he is an extremely qualified judge and someone I consider an intellectual star.  Seeing from a few of his rulings he is no Souter, but I don't think he pigeon holes himself ideologically either as Scalia and Thomas do.  We'll see.

I would definitely NOT preferred Clement who comes from the most far right way out of touch circuit in the US. But, as for Roberts, most are correct, he is not THAT bad. :) The main probably is not much of a paper trail. When he was working for the White House he can claim all his briefs were supporting the views of those he represented. As a judge he has done jack diddly. So we shall see how he really rules. We have to pray this guy is moderate because he is 50, so we have to deal with him for a LONG LONG time.

Affirmative Action / Re: Affirmative action = bullsh*t
« on: July 19, 2005, 04:12:48 PM »
aff action is bs, sorry i am speaking out of frustration i am sure. i am a liberal, but i am pretty upset that university of texas at austin allows those who have much lower lsat and lower gpa's to be allowed in due to skin color. you say no "unqualified" applicant will be let in, but how about less qualified? they are let in every day to various law schools across the country. and yes, i think that is racist.

THAT IS FRIGGIN AWESOME!! man, i just turned in my resignation a few days ago. :(

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