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One word:  DON'T

You just bumped a thread from November 2004 to say "don't go to Whittier?"

Hey, its good advice ;)

Anyone else have any words of wisdom?

I'm leery of stand-alone law schools, and Southwestern seems kind of like South Texas in Houston -- if you do well there, you have many opportunities in the city, but it'll be hell if you're outside the top 5 or 10 percent.

I like Chapman. It's attached to a decent undergrad (which several of my friends have attended). It's in a nice neighborhood and you can live nearby without breaking the bank (in Cali dollars) or dodging bullets. It also appears to me to be doing everything right and is faring extremely well considering its age.

That's all I've got. Good luck.

Thanks Kuddler. This is very helpful. :)

Thanks for everyone's comments & suggestions so far - they have been extremely helpful. If anyone else has any more advice for me, please feel free to post it :)

First of all, congrats, pinkybella!  I know you've been waiting for it.

While Chapman is the best school in OC, it's not like it's in a different country.  The OC only feels like a different country.   ;)  I think you should ultimately go where you feel happiest, and that might be Chapman.  I would pick Southwestern every time, but that is because I hate the OC.  OCIs are important, that's for sure, but the real question is how many people get jobs with the OCI?  They might be looking for the diamond in the rough.  What are the job placement statistics?

Thanks Mugatu! Now if USD or Loyola could take me off their WLs I'd be a completely happy camper. :)

You bring up good points. According to LSAC, 86% of SW grads are employed after graduation acompared to 84% of Chapman grads are employed after graduation. Of those students employed after graduation, 62% of Chapman grads are employed in law firms compared to 50% of Southwestern grads.

Overall bar passage rates are equal at 61%.

Southwestern's rather high attrition rate is worrisome though (17.5% of the incoming class does not return while only 8.8% of Chapman's incoming class does not return).

Which school do you think has an better reputation overall?

I was planning on going to Chapman but I just got off the WL at Southwestern & now I'm not sure which school to attend. Which law school (in your opinions) has a better reputuation and better job opportunities after graduation? I'm impressed by the firms that OCI at Southwestern but I also know it's the 4th best school in LA and Chapman is the best school in Orange County. I've also heard Southwestern is really really competitive environment while Chapman seems more laid back.

Which school would you choose if you were me? I don't want to go into big law but I also want to make sure I have the most opportunities after graduation. I'd most likely want to practice in Orange County & I am interested in family law & employment law primarily.

Please help. Any info/advice/suggestions would be great. Thanks!  :)

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: San Diego WL
« on: July 21, 2006, 05:48:39 PM »
How were you guys notified that you were removed from the WL?

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: San Diego WL
« on: July 21, 2006, 11:37:56 AM »
I just got accepted to the part time program. :-)

I also know someone else that just got accepted to the full time program. Apparently they are still accepting people off the waitlist. Good luck!

Law, what were your numbers if you don't mind me asking? I'm still waiting for USD PT...

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Tattoos...bad idea if becoming a lawyer?
« on: July 19, 2006, 09:36:59 PM »
My vote: Don't do it.

Personally, I don't care if people have tattoos, and I think most LDS folks and young people in general don't find them to be too much of a big deal. However, after your three years are up, you are not going to spill into the legal world with a bunch of 20-somethings. You're gonna be working with people twice your age or even the same age as our parents. With this comes a generational difference of opinions about tattoos - especially when it comes to women. Sure, you can say right now that you don't want to work in a place that's going to 'judge me for my tat' - but you may not feel as dismissive in four or five years.

Even if you could cover it up at work, you never know when that big event is going to come up (co-workers weddings, formal occasions, etc) where your badge or pride may be on full display. For conservative and/or older folk, it may not be something that they will outright hold against you, but it may change their impression of you. And for someone coming out into the workforce with a very large bar number, you need every ounce of respect you can collect.

Even at school, I will hear a student say on occasion, "Oh, did you see that big tattoo on her arm/ stomach? etc. In my opinion, this is coming from most of the *squares* that you will meet in law school - but the reality is that tattoos don't always make a favorable impression on everyone or in every industry. As a fellow Californian, I will say that things are a bit more relaxed... not all judges are going to ream your for wearing open toed shoes or forgetting to sport some nylons, and there are more open-minded professionals in the area. However, the social climate will vary from firm to firm and I think it would suck to have a tattoo or a piercing limit your opportunities after working your butt off for three years.

The choice is yours. And whatever you do, DO NOT GET A TRAMP STAMP!!!

I agree with this as well.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Tattoos...bad idea if becoming a lawyer?
« on: July 19, 2006, 09:33:20 PM »
No one said corporate culture was "fair" and I think getting large and/or visible tattoos is a terrible idea when you're going into LS.  Why put yourself in the position to be discriminated against when you can do something (or NOT do something) to help avoid it?

Personally I'm not a big fan of tattoos anyway, but purely on a professional level, whether you like it or not, you MUST worry about what others (bosses, coworkers, clients) think about you... your work, your appearance, how you carry yourself, etc.  It might not be fair, but it's how things are in the professional world.  Feel free to get the tattoo, but don't act surprised if you get stiffed or passed over b/c of it.


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