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military - By "balenced" you mean republican, right?  It's ok, but I thought that it was a given.  Chapman is in the OC, after all.

No, I mean balanced.  Just because a school might have a couple more conservaive profs does not make it a "republican" school.  Chapman's faculty still shows about a 9:1 raio of liberals to conservatives.  Better than the nearly uniformly liberal faculty a most cali schools.

I have found Chapman to be more libertarian than anything else. It is not conservative in which you have ultra-christians trying to convert you. However, I think the majority of the school's focus in aimed towards it business school and theatre and dance schools.

That is good to know. I had heard rumors that the school was ultra-conservative. I'm glad this is not the case.

FYI, I got 3 packages from Southwestern today. There's lots of information to sift through. It's kind of overwhelming actually!

Pinkybella..if I recall you want to do family law..correct?..for that practice area it doesnt matter where you go..but you should go the higher rank school..SW is third tier now..its not going down .and there is no guarantee that chapman will go up.......

scman - that is correct. I want to do either family law or employment law. Do you know if its the same for employment law (doesn't matter too much where you go to law school?)

One of the reasons I'm leaning towards Chapman is because I feel like it would give me the opportunity to network with attorneys in Orange County which may increase my likelihood of getting a good job in OC after graduation. If I go to Southwestern, it would be tougher to network in OC.

Plus, I don't know how Southwestern does in OC but it seems like does well in LA. Finally, I feel like the difference in rank btwn Southwestern & Chapman is so small, that it wouldn't necessarily best to go to the highest ranked school in this case. If we were talking about a tier 2 school v. Chapman, there would be no doubt in my mind about which school to attend.

I'd take Chapman over SW if you want to work in Orange County.  It'll be difficult for you to find a solid job in OC from either school, but I'd give Chapman the edge.  It'd give SW an edge on getting you a job in LA with more money though.

I'm actually pretty impressed with the job opportunities for Chapman grads in OC. I agree with you though that Chapman does better in OC than Southwestern. Thanks for your help. :)

the OP is clerking for the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals now

Did she end up attending Whittier?

I would chooose SW over Chapman, but that's just me personally.  I'm sure you've already covered all your bases, but I think southwestern is still a better pick regionally (its just more well known)..... even if Chapman is on its way up, SW is still higher, and if you kill your first year and score top 10% than nothing could really stop you from finding a good job (this applies to chapman, to a certain extent, as well.)

Congrats on both, though.  That's really awesome!  LA or OC...... tough choice.  Don't forget the 3 supreme court clerks at Chapman, and the fact they probably will be going up in rankings soon..... plus, a law school in OC is probably bound to do well.

eh.  i know not what i'm saying right now.  its late.  congrats though. fur reals.

Thanks Grendel. I'm so jealous about you going to Loyola btw. Oh well, if anyone should attend Loyola, it should be a fellow anteater. :)


Yep, we're here.

Ooops, I missed that post. I guess I can delete this one then.

Politics and Law-Related News / ABA says Bush violating Constitution
« on: July 24, 2006, 06:02:15 PM »
Bar association president says signing statements erode democracy

The ABA group, which includes a one-time FBI director and former federal appeals court judge, said the president has overstepped his authority in attaching challenges to hundreds of new laws.

The attachments, known as bill-signing statements, say Bush reserves a right to revise, interpret or disregard measures on national security and constitutional grounds.

"This report raises serious concerns crucial to the survival of our democracy," said the ABA's president, Michael Greco. "If left unchecked, the president's practice does grave harm to the separation of powers doctrine, and the system of checks and balances that have sustained our democracy for more than two centuries."

Some congressional leaders had questioned the practice. The task force's recommendations, being released Monday in Washington, will be presented to the 410,000-member group next month at its annual meeting in Hawaii.

ABA policymakers will decide whether to denounce the statements and encourage a legal fight over them.

The task force said the statements suggest the president will decline to enforce some laws. Bush has had more than 800 signing statement challenges, compared with about 600 signing statements combined for all other presidents, the group said.

Noel J. Francisco, a former Bush administration attorney who practices law in Washington, said the president is doing nothing unusual or inappropriate.

"Presidents have always issued signing statements," he said. "This administration believes that it should make clear ... when the Congress is getting close to the lines that our Constitution draws."

Francisco said the administration's input is part of the give and take between the branches of government. "I think it's good that the debate is taking place at a public level," he added.

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said last month that "it's important for the president at least to express reservations about the constitutionality of certain provisions."

The ABA report said President Reagan was the first to use the statements as a strategic weapon, and that it was encouraged by then-administration lawyer Samuel Alito -- now the newest Supreme Court justice.

The task force included former prosecutor Neal Sonnett of Miami; former FBI Director William Sessions; Patricia Wald, former chief judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit; former Republican Rep. Mickey Edwards; and former Reagan administration lawyer Bruce Fein; and law school professors and other lawyers.


Hi Pinky, first let me say congrats, and how did you hear?  I am still waiting on them.  Anyways, i am also afraid i might be put into that dilemma.  I've been to both schools and would say that Chapman is definitely in a better neighborhood.  Chapman is right in the middle of orange county suburbia (sp?) which is a major plus to me considering how comfortable it is. It gives u a peace of mind.  Plus Chapman is a newer school, newer building, and only has about 180 students in its first yr class.  On the other hand, when i think of Southwestern, i tend to think of congestion for some reason.  It's relatively a short distance from downtown, but in a neighborhood you dont want to be near at night.  One thing that appealed me abotu chapman is when one of the deans told me "we want our students to pass and do well, we hate to see them fail" ---something you probably wont hear southwestern say considering their 18% attrition rate. Southwestern will probably land you a better job in downtown Los Angeles.  I dont know how they do in OC, and i don't know how Chapman does in downtown L.A. (but im sure it does well in OC).   They are both great schools.  You can't go wrong with what you choose.  It's now up to what SUITS YOU!  bEST OF LUCK!

Thanks Skeptic. Part of me is leaning towards Chapman because of the location & the low attrition rate.

I received a phone call from a woman at Southwestern this morning inquiring about my interest in their law school. I told her I was still interested and she said that I would receive an admissions packet sometime this week.

Black Law Students / Re: Miss Puerto Rico Crowned Miss Universe
« on: July 24, 2006, 02:12:07 PM »
I wanted Japan, Paraguay or Mexico.

I can't believe Miss Egypt and Miss Lebanon didn't make it to the top 20.

But man, there were a lot of Latinas in the top 20  :)

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