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My advice is donít plan on it. I hate to be a downer but in order to transfer to a T14, you will need to be in the top 10% of your class, which by definition means that you are in the minority. There is no way to tell at the outset whether you have what it takes to be in the top 10% since it is relative to how well your other classmates perform. Think of it this way, you have a 10% chance of being successful enough after your first year to transfer to a T14. Ten percent!! That certainly isnít a number that inspire confidence. While it obviously isnít impossible, it isnít a bet that I would take.

If you truly feel that BigLaw is what you would be almost exclusively happy doing, I would suggest that you wait a year and reapply. Whatís the rush after all if itís the only thing that you can see yourself doing? In the meantime, you should try to make your app stronger, e.g., re-take the LSAT and take a study prep course if you havenít already, maybe get a masterís degree (which generally always give out As), even better, do it abroad, get some more work experience under your belt (esp. if you are under 25).

Bottom line: Donít count on transferring. If the career options that Santa Clara has to offer are not satisfactory, donít go. Wait and re-apply.

What about transferring from Santa Clara to a higher ranked tier 2 school like Loyola, USD or something? Is that more feasible or still very difficult?

i stuck to a system of high-tailing it to the library immediately after my last class for the day, and doing all of my reading/briefing/outlining until i was finished for the night, at which point i went home and fell asleep.  it sucked during the week, but for the most part my weekends were wide open once i was finished on friday.  i could use my spare weekend time to review anything i felt needed the extra look, though i spent most of it relaxing.

regarding "studying," in the usual sense of the word, i didn't do much of that until about a month before finals.  my library time during the semester was spent doing the assigned readings and briefing the cases involved.  writing assignments were what jumbled my schedule a little, but nothing overbearing.

hope that ramble helps a little.

That does help a lot! Thanks for your response. :) Did you find it easy to study at your school's law library or were you constantly running into classmates & chatting with them? Would you recommend studying some place where you are less likely to see & run into your classmates?

For us soon-to-be-1Ls, it would be nice to hear what type of schedules former 1Ls implemented. When did you study? Where? For how many hours? What study schedule(s) worked for you, what didn't? Did you spend a nearly equal amount of time on each class? Describe a typical weekday. How did you spend your weekends?

If some of you can describe your schedules during 1L, that would be very helpful for us.

Thank you!   :)

Chapman / Current Chapman Law students/Alumni
« on: May 30, 2006, 05:27:49 PM »
I may be attending Chapman School of Law in the fall and I'm wondering if anyone has any feedback about Chapman (pros, cons etc). I'd like to get the opinions of some current/former Chapman Law students before I commit to a law school. Thanks!

Current Law Students / Microsoft OneNote - yay or nay?
« on: April 13, 2006, 11:50:34 AM »
A guy at work is selling Microsoft OneNote for $20. I've heard some people mention that they use it as their note taking program for law school. Those of you who have it/use it, do you find it useful (would you reccomend it)?

Any insight would be wonderful.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Waitlisted at Loyola-LA
« on: August 19, 2006, 02:47:37 PM »
I never got my rejection. Weird..... ???

The battle of the low ranked law schools is neverending. Here are some general info from someone who is a Southwestern Student and has seen how previous students from here have done. I went to SW just because I got money and was in one of their non-traditional programs.

I really don't like SW because the adminstration is fiercely anti-student --- the over-arching goal and the basis for virtually every decision is to weed out anyone they _believe_ may not pass the Bar. Rather than improve instruction, they just drop students _quickly_. I lost a lot of friends because the school was so trigger happy. Also by having harsh grading, students often lose their scholarships since they all have minimum GPA requirements that require above-average performance.

SW is on a strict curve (and forces both a particular average, and oddly, a particular standard deviation) so regardless of how well you do, you can be below average if the other students just do better. This caused some freakish grades when exams were poorly written and getting a very high percentage on the exam still resulted in a very low grade. This does not happen with professors who are experienced at writing exams, but with new professors this does happen and it pisses everyone off.

1. Neither Southwestern, Chapman or any other low ranked law school differs much in terms of jobs, respect or the value of the law school. Saying Southwestern is higher is bous; once you are out of the top-100 there really is no difference - use your head, do you really think anyone in the real world is evaluating the difference between such low ranked schools? No - they aren't and can't because the differences are too small. When you look for a job, you will find that Chapman, Southwestern, Whittier, Thomas Jefferson, etc. are all getting the same jobs and opportunities. 

2. Low ranked schools are fine for people who don't mind working for small law firms, public interest non-profits or the government (a major destination for SW grads that I know). Even in the top-10% of the class you WILL NOT be hired by an elite law firm. I GUARANTEE IT - unless you _personally_ have a contact that opens the door, otherwise it will not be from recruiting. The top 10% at SW, Chapman, etc. have more trouble than the bottom 50% of UCLA and USC.

3. Clients of law firms like to work with people from good schools. They like to tell their friends that their attorney is from X school where X is a big time - it makes them feel good and confident. SW amd Chapman aren't any better in this regard. 

4. The salary statistics I personally believe are bogus and reflect dishonesty by the those sending information back to their schools. I think they are too high from what I see. Don't expect to make more than 50-60k when you are done. There are a lot of SW grads making 40k. REMEMBER THIS. HAVING MASSIVE DEBT WILL KILL YOU AT THESE SALARIES.


1. Because neither school is materially better than the other, and because you will not be rolling in the money when you are done, CHOOSE THE SCHOOL THAT OFFERS THE MOST MONEY. It is vital that you have as little debt as possible when you are done.

2. DO NOT EXPECT TO BE IN THE TOP-10% - will not happen. Those in the top 10% are those who could have gone to a better school but didn't for some reason; or are repeating the first year for whatever reason and therefore are able to nail the exams since it is the second time through for them. AS SUCH, DO NOT EXPECT YOUR MONEY TO INCREASE. CHOOSE THE SCHOOL THAT OFFERS THE MOST NOW ON INITIAL APPLICATION.

3. If schools offer equal money then choose the school with the most students. Here I would choose any normal university over a standalone law school. The value of interacting with the widest group of people as possible cannot be underestimated. It means more friends, better socializing and a more diverse group of contacts. Not just law students, but also students from other fields like FILM STUDENTS (Chapman has A GREAT FILM SCHOOL - a damn good one really --- networking with these students would be an awesome opportunity to hook up with indy film types who will need legal advice --- likewise with entrepreneurial students in other departments.)

4. Lastly, after money and exposure to the largest student body possible, I would look at the campus and the overall quality of student life and living.

SW has no campus to speak of - Bullocks is a great building but your classes will almost always be in Westmoreland which is a dump. The library is terrific but so what - no one uses it since everyone does their research at home on their computer - WestLaw and Lexis are how legal research is done. You can easily get through law school without doing one bit of legal research in the library. Having such an expensive and little used library is a waste. Students use the library to study while they are at school. The books just take up space!!! Walk through the library and you will rarely see any student looking at the stack of books. Everything is done online!

Btw, Southwestern is in Mid-Wilshire. The place is perfectly safe during the day. Absolutely NO PROBLEMS during business hours. Very busy and OK. I don't like the area in the evening but there are worst parts in LA. In a few years the area will be a disaster zone and a source of major gang violence and drug wars - WHY? Because there is going to be a massive public school (5000+ students) opened in a few years - the once great Ambassador (right?) hotel where the Coconut Grove was is going to be a magnet for drug dealers, student gangs and others. YUCK!! The businessmen of mid-wilshire (essentially Koreantown) fought hard to stop the school but lost.

Bottom line: SW is a commuter school and you will not do anything on campus other than take classes. Once classes are done everyone gets the heck out of there. So, not a romantic setting, just a workman like envrironment to get your credits in while the rest of your life goes on outside of school. This is fine for people like myself, but for those seeking a real Academic environment, a campus to walk around on and to hang out at then SW is no good and depressing.


thank you thank you thank you. This is such a helpful response  & really has made me more confident in my decision to go to Chapman over SW

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Taking Notes: OneNote v. Word
« on: August 07, 2006, 01:33:07 PM »
Thanks everyone! All your responses were really helpful!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Taking Notes: OneNote v. Word
« on: August 05, 2006, 02:23:05 PM »
Can anyone describe the differences btwn OneNote 2003 & 2007? Or point me to a site that does? I have 2003 right now & I'm wondering what features have been added to the 2007 version.

Thanks! :)

the OP is clerking for the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals now

Did she end up attending Whittier?

Something about Pinkybella's avatar seems really hot to me. That's probably not normal.

How the heck did I get in this thread? Oh, right... 'unread posts'. Like a black hole of randomness.

Careful. You may be refering to a 40 year old dude....... ;)

ahaha! Luckily he's not. 23 year old woman here.

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