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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: To become a JAG officer...
« on: April 25, 2006, 06:56:50 AM »
Squilla, seriously, stop with the personal attacks.  Its unbecoming of a soldier and officer and you know it as well as I.

We can have this debate as adults.  I will give you that the Army is trying to move towards a more comprehensive set of officers for all MOS and that the Marine Corps Officer Cadre has always been that way.  However, you must accept the reality that JAGs will never be leading troops into battle by design.  Sure, a JAG might go on a convoy and a few might get a little bit of trigger time, but I assure you, they won't be the ones calling the shots on that convoy.

What are you talking about?  The only one doing any "personal attacks" is you, who jumped on me because I said something you may happen to disagree with, even though I am telling you that I have been there and SEEN IT first-hand, probably not the type of "battles" you are thinking of as a Marine, though.  Just like the intel guys who go out and lead soldiers on patrol and even raids.  Somehow that was lost on you, hence my inference that reading comprehention wasn't your best subject, but it doesn't matter what I say because you'll never believe me anyways, and I don't really care if you do or not.  I am simply informing someone of possibilities that are out there, and it appears he is well aware.  Thank you and goodbye.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: To become a JAG officer...
« on: April 24, 2006, 07:13:40 PM »
I think both of you have important points.  Perhaps it is unlikely that you will every see a JAG asked to lead a bunch of soldiers into combat given their limited field ops training.  A At the same time, prospective JAG officers should be aware that given the strategic goals and current situation of the Army, even a JAG officer might find himself serving as a soldier in addition to a JAG.

Points well taken.

Tangentially related, one of my UG's few famous alumni is Gen. Colin Powell.  I'll be the student speaker preceding him at a gala dinner in a few weeks and because I'm interested in Army ROTC and JAG, my college president is going to let me sit down and talk to him for a bit before the dinner.  This will be the second time I've met him though I doubt he'll remember lil' ole me!

See .. I am guessing you did really well on reading comprehension!  Glad my point was not lost on the person it was intended for.
That dinner sounds awesome!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: To become a JAG officer...
« on: April 24, 2006, 07:09:02 PM »
Actually, it was my best section and my score was higher than yours so before you insult someone, get your facts straight.

You still haven't answered me, are you serving or are you just another "I know everything" wannabe?

I'm guessing the latter since you resorted to blind personal attacks hot shot.

Good luck leading those troops Ranger JAG man ha ha.  Quit watching JAG reruns.

I did answer you, all you have to do it read and comprehend.  The poster can read and heed or not, it really doesn't matter to me.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: To become a JAG officer...
« on: April 24, 2006, 05:47:21 PM »
Dude, are you in the service or not?  Don't sit here and talk to me about what I know if you aren't in the service.

Quit acting like 6 wks of infantry training makes you a damn infantry officer you moron.  SIX WEEKS.  The program we are required to go through is six months and you are going to say that six weeks prepares your JAGs for combat roles. 

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You must not have done very well on reading comprehension.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Rejections 05-06 Cycle
« on: April 24, 2006, 04:23:20 PM »
Duke REJECTION today.

Where's mine already!  :P

ok nothing to worry about, got it today.   :)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: To become a JAG officer...
« on: April 24, 2006, 04:21:10 PM »
Do you really think they are going to send a six week infantry trainee to lead men who have more infantry training than them?  Be realistic. 
Of course not.  It's once you get into the combat zone that things change .. very drastically.  I guess you wouldn't know, though, or would you?  I do, and I have seen it.  If you want to be naive that's fine but at least let someone else see things how they really are.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: To become a JAG officer...
« on: April 24, 2006, 03:56:17 PM »
That's interesting.  I didn't know that as a JAG you might be required to fight or lead other soldiers in a non-legal environment.  No problem with it, but I figured that unless you got deployed to a combat zone and your group was fired upon, you wouldn't be getting down like that.  You don't end up doing operations with your group, do you?  I guess if they might need on-the-fly legal advice about the rules of engagement or Geneva Conventions, huh?


Just to clear some things up I'll make a few points about Army JAG and the Army in general.  Yes, you do have to go through a newly implemented 6 week training period, Basic Officer Leader's Course Phase II (Phase I is your commissioning source, ROTC, West Point or OCS and Phase III is your branch specific Officer Basic Course), in which you learn tactics and up to date training specific to the Army's current battle.  However, your primary duty in the Army will be practicing law.  You can be deployed, but you will practice law in Iraq too.  In Iraq JAGs usually either directly advise commanders on operational law (to make sure they are not breaking the law in their tactics) or serve as criminal defense attorneys in the FOBs for soldiers who have broken the law.  I don't know where squilla is getting his/her info from, but it is very unlikely that you will be leading any troops in battle as an Army JAG.  the Army is moving in the direction of a Marine, soldier first mentality but it is years away from being fully there.  JAGs are there to practice law and whether they are in Ft. Drum, Korea or Iraq that is what they do.  Obviously, you must always leave the FOB with a loaded weapon, but that is only for if sh*t happens, albeit a very big if.   

That's what they tell you before you sign that dotted line.  JAGs practice ucmj, yes, but they can be called upon to do "other duties as assigned" including filling in for other officers - same with anyone else in the army.  This is where the army is going, and in the 3 years it takes to go through school, it just might be there.  I'm not saying how likely or not it is, but it can and does happen - people should know about the possibilities before joining, it's not at all like the tv show.  This poster doesn't seem to have a problem, so I say hooah good for him.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: To become a JAG officer...
« on: April 23, 2006, 09:24:06 PM »
Do such people get treated as line officers? I was under the impression that for every service except the Marines, JAGs weren't line officers and thus eligible to actually be a commander of an infantry or non-legal unit, or take command in battle, etc. unless maybe they'd gone to War college.

Would they be able to actually continue in such posts, as well?

No.  You do legal work and all, but you go through the basic officer course and can step up to the plate at a moments notice.  That's the way the Army is moving, for any officer to be able to fill in any other position, JAGs not excluded.  Only non-combatants are chaplains, but they have enlisted to keep them alive.  ;)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: To become a JAG officer...
« on: April 23, 2006, 09:21:38 PM »
Yeah I don't mind that at all.  I'd do Marine Corps JAG for just that reason if I thought I could hack it.  That's why I'm fine with the Army -- a decent balance between being a lawyer and a soldier.

Good to hear - best of luck to you!!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: To become a JAG officer...
« on: April 23, 2006, 09:08:37 PM »
I'm finding that if I qualify I could get a two-year graduate scholarship to be a part of the MIT/Harvard Army ROTC.  It'd be a full scholarship and would require me to fulfill a 4 year commitment when/if I became a JAG after graduation.  Sounds like a tremendous deal -- full tuition in exchange for one extra 2 hour class each week?  You couldn't ask for a better deal! 

I'm thinking I'm leaning more towards Army JAG given the scarily tough process of becoming a Marine.  I just emailed my friend who is a Truman Scholar/Harvard JD/Kennedy School MPP Major in the JAG Corps of one of the branches.  I hope he can give me some insight as to how JAG works and how best to get in.  After I talk to him I'll pass on the information he provides.

Just FYI, the Army is similar to the Marines in that you are an officer/soldier first, and a lawyer second.  To be a JAG in the Army, you still train with every other officer candidate, and you also can - and most likely will - fill in for them at some point.  Meaning that when you get deployed and Cpt Snuffy gets blown to bits by an IED, guess who gets to be the new officer for that infantry unit?  If that doesn't bother you, then great - we need people like you.  If it does, Air Force is the easy answer.

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