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Current Law Students / Re: Ladies- where are you suit shopping?
« on: July 31, 2005, 03:55:13 PM »
I can't speak for everywhere but at my school, Wake Forest, we all pretty much wear what we want.  This could be nice slacks and sweaters or it could be jeans, a T-shirt and flip-flops.  The best thing to do is find out from someone who is already a student at the school where you will be attending.  I think books like One-L and the Paper Chase give people the impression that they should all wear dress pants and blazers but I think the world has changed a lot in 30 years, or at least it's pretty casual at Wake.


Current Law Students / Re: Computer options
« on: July 30, 2005, 01:36:02 PM »
The secureexam software that we use is a huge memory hog.  If your school offers it and you plan on taking exams on your laptop, check with your school Information Technology department for the requirements to run their exam software and make sure you have them. 

Westlaw and Lexis are both online programs, you don't need to install anything.

I loved the Black Letter Series Outlines, very helpful for getting the ....Black Letter Law,  ;D

Current Law Students / Re: Book Editions?
« on: July 30, 2005, 01:15:42 PM »
I actually had to buy Kaplan 5th ed. last year and the prof told us that the 5th edition is soooo different that we couldn't use an older edition.  I think sometimes they add a case, fix typos and throw in an essay and sometimes they overhaul the book.  Best way to find out is to ask the prof and see if they think buying an old edition is a good or bad idea.  They aren't completely unsympathetic to our money woes.

Current Law Students / Re: What's Your 1L Cirriculum?
« on: July 30, 2005, 01:11:15 PM »
Does anyone attend a school that requires a clinic?

Current Law Students / Re: What's Your 1L Cirriculum?
« on: July 30, 2005, 01:10:38 PM »
Wake Forest

1L (Fall)
Contracts I - 3
Civ Pro I - 3
Criminal Law - 3
Torts - 4
Legal Research and Writing I - 0(totaled after spring)

1L (Spring)
Contracts II - 3
Civ Pro II - 3
Con Law I - 3
Property - 4
Legal Research and Writing II - 3 (for the whole year)

2L year (either semester)
Legal Research and Writing III
Legislation and Administrative Law

2L or 3L (before you graduate)
Con Law II
Professional Responsibility

We also have to take a class that fulfills an upperlevel writing requirement.

Current Law Students / Re: Bar Review Courses
« on: July 30, 2005, 12:42:14 PM »
You can enroll but you don't take a class until after you graduate.  We were informed that the 3Ls who locked in their Barbri rate in their 1L year payed $300 less than the 3Ls who were just signing up.  You also get some free stuff like a study book and a Nalgene.  The PMBR, I can't remember what the savings was supposed to be but they also give you free stuff like some study guides. 

It's really up to you.  If you are sure that you are going to use Barbri etc.. and you have the money, (it was 50 for PMBR, I can't remember what it was for Barbri)then go ahead and pay, get your free loot, and save yourself some money in 3 years.  We had until October or November (can't remember) to decide if we wanted to put a down payment.  The reps had tables set up in the meantime.  If you still have questions, ask the reps at your school, they're there to help you.  Congratulations on your acceptance and good luck with school.


Current Law Students / Re: "Law In A Flash" Cards
« on: July 29, 2005, 10:20:46 AM »
Also keep in mind that Aspen prints the Flashcards and Aspen also prints Emanuels.  I found identical short answer questions in Emanuels as were in my flashcards.  Definitely don't buy both because they will be redundant. 

On the plus side, I found the Torts cards most helpful and the Contracts least helpful.  I had Torts, Contracts and Civ Pro.  The little memory aids they give you are helpful, I still remember the memory aid for International Shoe and Service(Service involved the 7 Dwarfs)  If you plan on studying with a study group for exams they break the monotony of reading outlines and at least you can socialize and learn somthing at the same time.  I guess it depends on the prof if they are helpful or not and my Torts prof didn't cover any intentional Torts so about 1/4 of the deck was useless. 

If you are looking to save money there were a few 2Ls selling the flashcards at the end of the semesters, you may be able to get last years version for a discount price from an upper level student but you probably won't be able to get 12 sets.

Current Law Students / Re: Just federal financial aid??
« on: July 29, 2005, 08:56:04 AM »
Most schools frown on working at all during your 1L year unless you are part time or have extenuating circumstances.  Can you get by on federal loans? Sure, if your total school tuition and living expenses falls around 18,500.  You may be surprised about whether or not you qualify for private loans.  You should really talk to Northstar or Access Group (two large private student loan lenders and see what their opinion is.) These private lenders give you money based on your expected future income.  I just got more than 40 grand for this coming 2L year and I don't have any income.  No way would a normal person qualify for 40 grand with no job.  Also, talk to the financial aid office or admissions office at the school where you were accepted.  They may be able to offer some advice or point you in the right direction.  You can't be the only person who wanted to go to law school and who had bad credit.  The admissions and financial aid offices are often overlooked but they are rich resources of information.  After all, the school can't operate unless it gets your money, lol.


Current Law Students / Re: Ladies- where are you suit shopping?
« on: July 28, 2005, 09:44:54 PM »
I have suits from Sears, Hechts, Ann Taylor Loft and Petite Sophisticate(which is the petite part of Casual Corner.)  Now I am trying to remember.  The cheapest suit I bought was a seperates skirt suit from Hechts, around 50 dollars.  The suits from Sears were around 80 and the Petite Sophisticate were around 150.  Ann Taylor was most expensive but in my opinion, nicest at around 240. 

All the suits are petite, I am only 5'2" and all are seperates because I am a different sized top from bottom.  Petite Sophisticate/ Casual Corner has gold/silver collections in which you can mix and match pants, skirts and jackets and Ann Taylor carries their dyelot over each year, which you can check on the tag and this allows you to mix peices as styles change without having to keep rebuying a whole new wardrobe. 

As far as colors, I would definitely have a navy or black suit for interviews, also I was told that you should wear a skirt to interviews and even court as that is considered formal and a pantsuit on women is more casual.  I know, how archaic, but you don't want to make a bad impression because the interviewer didn't think you were serious because his firm considers pansuits on women casual and he took your pantsuit to mean you thought the interview was casual.  Thinking about things like this are enough to drive you crazy.  Also, depending on the market you want to work in, you may have to say goodbye to color and by color I mean anything not black, navy or gray, including colored stripes.  Bottom line, the law is a conservative profession (for the most part) and if you are only going to buy one suit buy a dark suit rather than the tan one with the blue stripes on sale.  Sounds awful but Ann Taylor had a really pretty, fit like a glove tan suit with white and blue stripes on sale last summer and I almost bought it, but at that time I was thinking that I was only going to buy one suit.  It was pretty but I was warned by a woman, who happended to be in the dressing room, whose daughter was a lawyer that that suit was for casual Friday only.


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