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Current Law Students / Re: question for the female law students
« on: August 05, 2005, 10:14:49 PM »
I'm starting my second year, I've been married for four years and I'm not sure if I want a family but here's what I can offer. 

A lot of large law firms have in house daycare so you can drop your kids off in the same building (and go down and see them I guess.)

I don't know if small firms would be more flexible to your desire to have a family but they would probably be more flexible about billing hours.  If you don't have to worry about billing thousands of hours then you will probably be able to have more of a normal schedule. 

Contracts or (Transactional law) usually requires less of a time commitment, ie you won't be staying at work until 2am and coming back at 6am (although during a big contract or something you might have to pull all-nighters,  but not everyday.) 

Government jobs are also considered more family friendly with more regular hours. 

This may sound awful but you may want to start a family after you've worked for a few years.  I don't know how old you are now so I don't know if this is going to work with your late 20's plan, but after a few years you become very valuable and the firm would have to invest a lot of money to replace you.  You would have more bargaining power if you wanted to go part time or telecommute or something. 

My final piece of advice is to suggest you read Sisters-in-Law.  It's a very funny, quick read book written by several female lawyers who go over family and career choices and the whole baby thing.  There's more to it than that but they do focus a lot on family so I think it will answer a lot of your questions about which jobs would be the best fit for your family goals. 


Current Law Students / Re: West's Nutshells Series
« on: August 05, 2005, 10:27:59 AM »

Current Law Students / Re: Computers
« on: August 05, 2005, 10:22:29 AM »
I have an IBM laptop, my school, Wake Forest, required a laptop, with specific reqs.  I got my laptop through school. I don't know if I'd recomend my particular series of IBM's.  The school purchased laptops in the R series, they have some issues (hard drives crashing) get an S series IBM or better and you should be fine.

Also, I'm sure a lot of people are going to recomend Dell.  Everyone loves Dell.  I almost bought a Dell laptop but I liked the idea of having onsight help for my IBM's at school rather than having to call a technician or mail my laptop away.  I did have a couple of issues with my laptop and they gave me a loaner immediately.  I know Dell is fast but you still have to deal with the mail.  Of course, if I had bought a Dell I might not have had any problems.

I don't remember if anyone in my class had a Mac but I did hear tht the exam software doesn't work on a Mac. 

And there was one person who had a Sony and seemed to like it. 

There was also one person who had a Tablet PC.  She really liked her tablet.  I think it takes some getting used to, but she handwrote her notes into her computer.

I think I'd recomend a laptop over desktop, because most schools allow you take your exams on a laptop and you obviously can't take your desktop to school to do that.  I think there were a finite number of computers that you could use to take your exam but they went to the LLM's and upperclassment first. 

I would start by checking to see if the schools you are applying to require a laptop and then checking to see what the requirements would be and just get one that will match the highest requirement.

If you do get a laptop, get a wireless card.  OK, now I am going to stop rambling.

Hope this helps. Happy computer hunting. -Jen

Current Law Students / West's Nutshells Series
« on: August 04, 2005, 07:28:34 PM »
I've read through most of the studying and exam taking posts and I keep finding a recurring theme that warns not to get the "Nutshells".  Can anyone tell me what they found disagreeable about the Nutshells. One of the Nutshells was written by my one of my textbook authors so I thought it would be the perfect study aid but I don't want to buy it if everyone thinks they are terrible study aids.

Thanks, Jen

Anyone else have any suggestions?

Current Law Students / Re: Hardest 1L Class?
« on: August 03, 2005, 04:12:08 PM »
Right before our Property exam someone was cursing our free market system.  Darn capitalists, if only we had lost the cold war, then we wouldn't have property law.  So I said, "Darn capitalists, how about Darn William the Conquerer."  He was the Norman conquerer who started this mess and gave property parcels to his knights.  One of the reasons property is so confusing is because some of the legal concepts have been around for about a thousand years and the reasons behind them are long gone.  While most of the other subjects defer to reasonable persons or economic sensibilites, Property law has concepts that you have to learn that make very little common sense.  It's a lot harder to learn something when there doesn't appear to be a reason for it.  *I may have gotton the name wrong but it was some king who started this mess.


For Con Law, everyone used Emmanuel Law Outlines.  For Crim, my study group and I just quizzed out of the Examples and Explanations.

Good luck.

Current Law Students / Re: Law Students = No Sense of Humor?
« on: August 02, 2005, 09:47:41 AM »
I think this post is funny.   :-\...

I think a better way to describe it is that law students have a warped sense of humor.  Like thinking it's funny to put a hold harmless clause at the end of an advice post or thinking the word tortfeasor is funny.  Consider it a big group of inside jokes that are only funny to people who have suffered, er I mean, gone through a semester or two of law school and it may be different depending on the school.  For instance, before our Fall Civ Pro exam nearly everyone in my class was joking that they were going to end their essays with, "And If I'm wrong then I'm gonna run up the T.S. flag and call Saint Paul's..., or "and then go get some Nabs and Coke."  Don't get it? These were running jokes through class because of what the prof always said. Actually come to think of it there's also, "He thought he was getting served steak but instead he got service of process!," which is sure to elicit great loads of laughter if you can do a proper impersonation.  On a general note, I have a blog and when trying to come up with a funny name I looked for legal definitions with the word laugh in them.  To my surprise I found some but they were definitions for manslaughter.  At which point I almost named my blog "Who put the laugh in manslaughter."  Now, that's funny.

My point, you are going to start to see funny in the law.  Maybe it's a defense mechanism or a sign of brain damage from all of the binge drinking you'll be doing on the weekends but you'll begin to think certain aspects of the law are funny.  You may even start laughing at people who get run over by trains or hit with mail hooks.  This is a sign that you have truly become a hardened soulless lawyer. You'll try to share the funny with your non-law friends and family and they just won't get it.

I think if you are worried about getting into law school and losing your sense of humor then you aren't worrying about the proper things.  Worry about classes and outlines and grades.  Remember that human pain and suffering is always a great source of humor and pain and suffering is what the law school is all about.

Current Law Students / 2L study guide suggestions, Please help
« on: August 01, 2005, 10:45:55 PM »
I am taking Federal Income Tax this fall as a pre-req for a class that I am taking in the spring.  Anyway, math is not my strong suit so I'm assuming Accounting or anything tax related won't be either.  I want to get a tax study book early and read before class starts so it'll be a fair fight between me and the Econ and Accounting majors, I'm imagining, are in my class. 

Can anyone recomend a good Federal Income Tax study aid?  And while I'm at it, what about:

Real Property Security
Debtor/Creditor (Bankruptcy)
Banking Law
Secured Transactions
Law & Economics
Administrative Law

There's a lot on 1L study guide recomendations but I didn't see a whole lot for upper level classes.  I'm really looking to see if there is a particular book etc... that everyone loves or hates.  *If you're wondering about my class load we register for a year at a time and if I see a good deal on a recomended book I'd like to go ahead and buy it, so I've listed most of my fall and spring classes. 

Thanks in advance,

**I posted this over in the General Board but I wasn't getting any responses so I thought I'd try it over here.;D

Current Law Students / Re: Hardest 1L Class?
« on: August 01, 2005, 09:14:49 PM »
Out of your list it's hard to say...

If you are rules oriented you might like Civ Pro, memorize, memorize, memorize those statutes. Or as, my beloved Civ Pro 1 prof used to say, "See this blue book (The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Supplement), open it, it won't bite."

If reasonableness is your game, Torts defaults to a reasonable person (as does Contracts.) Most of Torts seems to be based on common sense (And I said most of, not all.)

Do you miss the logic games on the LSAT, do you find yourself wishing you had a reason to figure out which day Sally eats meat and Fred eats Fish?  Then you might like Property or you might like the future interests/remainders/crazy ways people leave things to their families in wills.  The reverse is true if you aren't the type of person who likes A, B and C then the class will probably not be easy for you.

If you ask the right three people they will probably say three different things.  It all depends on what kind of a learner they are and what kind of prof they had.  But the truth is all of the classes are school is hard.  Hopefully my description of the classes and the things you'll be learning will help you decide which one you feel will be the hardest for you.   

Good luck with classes and congrats on starting law school!


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