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General Board / Re: 1 year later....still glad u went to law school?
« on: July 19, 2006, 08:18:39 PM »
Why did you go to school in a different state than your husband??

To make a long story very short:  I was not accepted to any law schools within a 200 mile radius of our pre-law school residence.  I choose a law school that is 6 hours away from our pre-law schol residence, my husband and his job.  And try as he might relocating and finding a job where I go to school has obviously prooved fruitless.  If you are in school, I'm surprised that you don't know many people who have been separated from boyfriends, girlfriends and yes even spouses.  That's life. 

I am not going to say that I am not complaing.  That's the point of this thread.  Not to complain but to state whether we are happy with our choice to attend law school.  And I can't express why I am unhappy with my choice without complaining just a little bit.  Or I guess I can't express why I am unhappy with my choice without sounding like I am complaining. Again, that's life and that's where my choices, our choices have led me.  But I don't have to be happy about it and that's how I gave my answer to the OP.

Jen

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General Board / Re: what color suit to get?
« on: July 19, 2006, 04:19:16 PM »
I think your question falls under the places part of the "everyone is different, there are different people, places and schools."

If you plan on working in Seattle and the firms in Seattle are all very hip and unconserative (is that a word ::)) then pick a suit that would fit that lifestyle.  I am in the south east.  Down here big firms are conservative and you wear dark suits.  Casual fridays mean you can wear a brown, tan or light gray suit. 

And I bought a suit before law school but I was warned in my Orientation packet that we had to wear a suit for the picture and the oath. I also wore a suit for a trial competition my first semester and the Inn of Court. 

So whether you need to own a suit before school starts is a people, school issue.  What kind of person are you?  What activities do you want to participate in and what does your school or those activities require?  Obviously, unless your school is like mine, even if you want to particpate in suit requiring competitions you'll have fair warning after school starts.  So you probably don't need one before school starts.  Of course you'll have a lot of other things going on to worry about so if you think you're going to need a suit at all then you might want to go ahead and knock that out of the way so you won't have to fit in suit shopping between, classes, studying, presentations, clubs, and study groups.

Jen

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General Board / Re: 1 year later....still glad u went to law school?
« on: July 19, 2006, 04:07:49 PM »
Steering this thread back on track...

Entering my 3rd year and regretting law school.  I worked for a mortgage company for three years and yeah it was a dead end low salary job but there was limited responsibilites and when I got home I was home.  Also, right now, my husband lives in one state and I live in another (during the school year).  If I could do it over again I wouldn't.  So what would I be doing if I didn't go to law school, still living in my house with my husband, going to work, hanging out with my coworkers, visiting my family without feeling guilty and ,God willing, being a mother. 

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this but the OP asked for our opinions and this is mine.  Mostly I regret how law school has affected my quality of life and I don't think I am alone in that feeling.

Jen

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General Board / Re: Law school discouragement
« on: July 19, 2006, 03:30:11 PM »
I did get a few people who responded "Great! Just what we need...more lawyers! Why don't you go do something more useful with your life.  Like be a real estate agent or accountant."  Of course I'm paraphrasing and I'm not sure why those are more respectable jobs but those are a few of the suggestions I got. 

Remember that everyone has a reason for what they say.  I don't think they were necessarily being mean.  I think they thought that they were being helpful by suggesting other things to do which obviously didn't require going to law school. 

Try to think of why your boyfriend isn't being supportive: 

1. Will you have to move away?  Will he come with you?  Is he in a position to move?

2. What is his highest degree?  Does/will he have a graduate degree too or even a college degree?  Do you think he might be worried about feeling intelectually inferior or worried about you "wearing the pants" and how you'll feel about him?

3. Did he have other plans that you might not know about but that your law school plans are now interfering with?

Talk to him and find out what is bothering him and if he is just being an unsupportive jerk then...

...drop the boyfriend.

Jen



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General Board / Re: what color suit to get?
« on: July 19, 2006, 03:01:23 PM »
How often will I actually need to wear a suit while in law school?  I know for interviews obviously, but are there many other times?  I'm wondering just how nice of a suit I actually need.

Rather than guessing when you might need to wear a suit I'll give you a list of when I had to wear a suit over the last 2 years (I'm heading into my third year)

1. Interviews
2. Inn of Court
3. Trial Competition
4. Moot Court Competition
5. Trial Team Tryouts
6. Informational Job Fairs
7. Informational Interviews
8. The Two Times that a Supreme Court Justice Came to Visit
9. Oral Argument Presentations in Research and Writing Class
10. Trial (final "exam") for Trial Advocacy Class
11. "Picture" Day (for the Facebook) during 1L Orientation week
12. The day we had to swear an oath to uphold the constitution, etc...(also during Orientation week)

Hmmm, I'm sure there were more times I just can't remember.  So the real answer is that it depends on the person, the school and the professor.  Some people are more formal.  Some places are more formal.  And obviously everything I listed above is not a required part of law school so it really depends on what you plan on doing and the rules that go along with those activities.

Oh, for interviews: men were advised to wear dark navy or charcoal.  And women were advised to wear navy, charcoal or black.  Men were specifically advised not to wear black because it looks morbid (a la funeral).  I'm not sure why women can wear black but whatever.  And always wear a white shirt and red or yellow tie.  At least that's what the Jos. Banks guy said when he came.  The trick is to be conservative in interviews.  You can always relax and add a colored shirt but you can never go back and have a more conservative first impression for big firm.  For everything else I listed, such as class and competitions, I wouldn't go wild but obviously the rules can be more relaxed.  And if you can't live without wearing a brown suit then research the firms and don't pick an ulra conservative firm to interview with.

Jen

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Two questions:

1. Does your school have sections and if so, are you ranked within or without?
2. Does your school rank the 2nd and 3rd years or just the first year?

Thanks,
Jen


I go to Wake Forest.  Our 1L class is split into 4 sections of 40 students.  In the end we are all ranked against each other.  Our 2L and 3L classes are ranked within the whold 2L or 3L class as well.

Righgt now, I am sitting across from a JD/MBA in my summer internship who is screaming that this is the most statistically absurd process he has ever heard of and that all sections should be ranked only within their section.  To rank everyone together is unfair because we all didn't have the same professors while ranking within the section would produce the "proper" top 10, 25, 33, etc for each section and therefore the school.  If you rank the whole school together and you had one section where the professors all graded to the middle then no one in that section had a fair chance of making it to the top, etc...


I understand his argument but I explained that it doesn't really matter because how would you rank the 2Ls and 3Ls.  They are all in different classes.  And he said, "What!?  Why does your school rank the upper classes1? Most schools only rank the first year!"  He likes to scream a lot.





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Wake Forest U / Re: Class of 2009
« on: June 23, 2006, 01:39:52 PM »
Hey beeg  :D,

Welcome to Wake.  I'm a 3L and I have really enjoyed Wake so far.  I'm spending my summer at an internship in Atlanta.  Good luck and let me know if you have any questions about school or Winston Salem.  I'll do my best to answer them.

Jen

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: CALI
« on: October 17, 2005, 04:46:39 PM »
this may not have anything to do with CALI but the class that I received the highest grade in was the only class in which I worked through any CALI lessons.

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General Board / Re: List of schools accepting NOLA students
« on: September 01, 2005, 04:58:31 PM »
I'm a 2L at Wake Forest and I just got this email from our Dean of Students:

The law school has offered to take some law students from Tulane and Loyola as visitors (for a few months - or a semester - or a year) - and we are waiting for word from the administration of those two schools, before we put that plan into action.  I thought you'd like to know that, as an institution, the law school is offering the help we can. 

Sounds like as soon as your administration responds then we'd be happy to accept some students.

I'll post more later if we get any updates.

Jen Henson

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: please advice on study technique
« on: August 21, 2005, 12:51:29 AM »
I second the short briefs.  Anything longer than half a page (unless it is a particularly convoluted Constitutional Law case) is not going to be helpful.  You need just the bare minimum information out of a case so you can read it in a minute or two and find the black letter law in what you have written. 

As far as notes.  I don't think taking a lot of notes in class is necessary. It's not like undergrad where you take down everything said in the lecture and then ignore it until exams and find it helpful and linear.  Comprehensive class notes will be filled with other student's opinions.  I would definitely take down notes but I wouldn't take down everything said, and if the prof ever gives an actual answer to a question: Write That Down!

I'll give you an idea of how I study:
I read all of the assignments for the week for one class.  I put the notes for the assignments in outline form in my computer, any cases are in brief format in my outline.  I print off the "mini-outline" (we can print for free at school otherwise this would be really expensive) and I take this mini outline to class with a plain old spiral notebook.  I take class notes in the notebook and also make notes on my "mini-outline" and then I can go in and edit my outline to fit with what has been taught in class.  This way I continuously build on my outline throughout the semester and not wait until a week before exams and panic.  Grooming your own outline is a very good way to study and review.

Here's how my week goes.  I try to complete all of my weeks assignments on the weekend starting Friday night and running through Sunday.  I study from my mini-outlines as review before the actual class to refresh my memory, either the morning or the night before depending on when the class is held.  I edit my outline during the week and I read supplements etc during the week and may have to finish assignments during the week if I couldn't finish them during the weekend. 

This way I usually have weeknights off to read or watch TV or do whatever I want.  And I usually don't end up working all day Saturday or Sunday so I can relax a little on those days as well. 

As far as the 3 hours to every credit hour, I was probably spending more than 3 hours to every credit hour when I started law school last year just so I could figure everything out.  Once you get the hang of things though, you won't spend that much time.  I probably spend about 3 hours for each credit hour but that includes actually doing the assignments, working on my outlines, and reading supplements and reviewing.  To finish the assignments (including taking notes and briefing) I probably don't spend more than 4 to 6 hours for the whole week per class so that is about 1 to 1 1/2 hours for each credit hour.

Jen


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