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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Baylor (full ride) vs UT
« on: July 08, 2006, 06:13:04 PM »
Just to be the voice of dissent, I took the full-ride at Baylor over UT. Keeping the scholarship is not as hard as others on this board would lead to believe. I haven't lost it yet, and I'm far from a genius. Baylor is on the quarter system, so I'm almost-a-3L right now, and I didn't have any trouble finding a summer internship in Austin (I'm at the TCEQ... interested in environmental law). Breaking into the Austin market is not hard for Baylor-ites. Further, everyone who finds out that I'm a Baylor student has consistently commented on the fact that Baylor turns out stellar lawyers. I'm no exception.  ;D  Baylor is a really, really tough place to be. I'm glad I went, and I wouldn't do it differently... especially since the traffic in Austin is AWFUL and only getting worse every day! ARGH! I'm actually closer to Austin than I am to Waco, but it takes me nearly twice as long to get there because of the all the roadwork.

Another consideration is that UT in-state tuition is not nearly as good as it was a couple of years ago. Tuition and fees in-state are still $20K+ per year. Cheaper than other law schools (including Baylor), but still $60K in tuition alone when you're done. Compare that to a full-ride at Baylor. My total law school debt load will be under $45K when I'm done. I'm living on student loans. If you're in a position to support yourself, you could come out debt-free! With the recent interest rate hike, that tuition will cost you more than double once you're done paying it back. I don't think it's crazy to consider the bottom line... I think it's crazy not to.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Baylor cheating on rankings? (article)
« on: June 29, 2006, 06:18:25 PM »
Oh, my gawd... just get over it.  This isn't even yesterday's news... the bird who crapped on the paper that broke this "story" is already dead. Yes, Baylor only reported their fall numbers.  University of Houston only reported thair full-time day students.  MANY law schools have multiple entering classes.  USNWR only looks at fall numbers. It's a dirty little "secret" that everyone already knows. Deal with it.

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It burned down when the staff came under siege by the feds a few years back.

(man that was low)

that's the other thing. the democrats might get back in power again, lay siege to baylor and set it on fire. or try to gerrymander it into a blue zone.

Technically already in a blue zone. Waco is located on one of those rare patches of Texas dirt: a congressional district represented by a well-liked, multiply-re-elected DEMOCRAT named Chet Edwards. Isn't that bizarre??

I would like to point out that Baylor has fallen to 9th place in Princeton Review's "Heritage Foundation" rankings. My liberal friends and I are doing our level best to ensure that it falls off that particular listing completely by 2007. We have yet to be drawn and quartered, or even sanctioned and threatened with loss of scholarship $$$, for vocally supporting gay marriage and the right to choose. It's not as oppressive as is popularly believed. We even have *gasp* GAY students... out and proud, and doing their part to bring tolerance to every corner of the universe.




They have openly gay students at the school and they don't expel them? But they will expel a girl for getting pregnant outside of marriage? They did that this year didnít they?

Dear Lord, no. Where on earth did you hear that? The law school is separate and apart from the rest of the campus. Because it IS Baylor, they have a mission statement... that gets lip-service, and has no real teeth. There really are openly-gay students, and the administration knows about it. They don't "tolerate" it... they really don't care. Why should they? There are co-habitating couples, divorcees, and people who openly use birth control. It's really not the dungeon everyone seems to think it is.

As for Chet, you gotta give the guy some credit for walking the line. I know him personally, and he picks his fights... wisely. He just knows when to stand up and when to stand down, and I admire him for it. On "big ticket", traditionally democratic items, he does not back off.

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It burned down when the staff came under siege by the feds a few years back.

(man that was low)

that's the other thing. the democrats might get back in power again, lay siege to baylor and set it on fire. or try to gerrymander it into a blue zone.

Technically already in a blue zone. Waco is located on one of those rare patches of Texas dirt: a congressional district represented by a well-liked, multiply-re-elected DEMOCRAT named Chet Edwards. Isn't that bizarre??

I would like to point out that Baylor has fallen to 9th place in Princeton Review's "Heritage Foundation" rankings. My liberal friends and I are doing our level best to ensure that it falls off that particular listing completely by 2007. We have yet to be drawn and quartered, or even sanctioned and threatened with loss of scholarship $$$, for vocally supporting gay marriage and the right to choose. It's not as oppressive as is popularly believed. We even have *gasp* GAY students... out and proud, and doing their part to bring tolerance to every corner of the universe.


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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Baylor or University of Utah
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:07:29 AM »
My God, did that get blown out of proportion....  ::)

Yeah, it was an abuse of office. Yeah, it was incredibly disrespectful of the student body. Yeah, it was an indication that the Dean may be a bit out of touch. OK, a LOT out of touch. But as an unaffected student at what is acknowledged to be THE most competitive law school in the country, just let me say....

I was more than happy to see my classmates waste their time getting bent out of shape during exam week. Remember that exam grades are less dependant on your brilliance, and more dependant on everyone else sucking.  :-* This might be a good quarter.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Do I have to double Major?
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:01:47 AM »
Don't limit yourself to campus activities. If you have community projects that mean something to you (hospice, habitat for humanity, scouts, Big Brothers/Sisters, etc.), that is just as valuable as President of XXX, and shows a dedication to community. But I would heed the advice of previous posters and put more into bringing your GPA up right now. Your major is considered a "soft" one, and it won't get the kind of leniency that a 3.7ish will in hard sciences. As for your LSAT, I think you probably know if you've been here for a while that a consistent score on practice LSATS, for whatever reason, tend to be around 5 points lower on the real thing (anyone ever figure out why? Stress?). If fast-tracking your degree is causing you to be less focused on quality because you're just trying to get done ASAP, then slow down. It'll hurt you. M2CW.

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Baylor Open House
« on: December 16, 2005, 06:50:34 AM »
Your schedule will vary. Some days you will have to be in by 8AM, other days your first class may not start until 11:45. They try to set up first year schedules so that there is a break between every class. If you start in the Spring (and I think the Summer, too), then the second semester is the roughest because it's 16 hours and the third is easiest because it's only 12. I think the Fall starters have a more evenly-divided first year, but I'm not sure. After that, and aside from Practice Court, you will make your own schedule.

I do know one woman who commutes from Round Rock... or at least DID until she hit Practice Court. I would definitely recommend planning to actually move to Waco for those 6 months. She also has a 2-yr-old daughter, and it was hard on her initially, but you're really just going to wind up being a hazard on the road if you try to make the commute during that period. Practice Court is like a medical internship, and the hours are awful. The Lord of Darkness (Prof PC) has the discretion to schedule class for 5AM if he wants to. The point is to simulate actual trial experience, so being told to amend petitions or write memos overnight is very common, and there's no mercy for the exhausted. The other reason to move at that time is that you will have a partner to whom you will have a responsibility to share the workload, and I can almost promise you that your partner won't live in Austin! There really is NO WAY you could do the commute and get through the third year. You CAN fail Practice Court, and how awful would it be to make it that far? If you absolutely will not move away from your family for at least 6 months, then don't go to Baylor. This should be the deal breaker. There's no point to a scholarship if you can't make it through the program.

I live in Killeen. I don't know about the traffic from Austin, but from Belton to Waco it's not bad. It takes us about an hour (there's another student here, so we carpool). I will also be moving to Waco for Practice Court.

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Baylor Open House
« on: December 14, 2005, 06:57:49 PM »
Really, the toughest thing at Baylor (and I think most Bayloreans would agree with me) is simply the PACE. Because of our quarter system, we have exams every 10 1/2 weeks, but the quarter system doesn't mean that you cover less material. A 1L contracts class is a 1L contracts class wherever you go, we just get about a month less time to digest it. If you start to slide, even a little, it's hard to catch up. Not impossible, but hard. I didn't think I'd survive my first year, but I'm used to the pace now. Of course, I'm only speaking from my own experience, and I am NOT by any stretch of the imagination one of those legal geniuses. This stuff takes work for me. The next toughest thing about Baylor is how much of the curriculum is required, so you wind up taking classes you wouldn't in a MILLION years take voluntarily, like Federal Income Taxation and Business Organizations. I have to say, though, that I'm glad that FedTax was required because I found not only an interest, but an aptitude. Who knew? I had NO legal experience before this. I don't think that prior pegal experience really helps, though. One of my closest friends was a paralegal for three years before law school, and she has to work as hard as I do, while another friend who majored in Math just breathes and gets fabulous grades. It all really just depends. Remember that law school grades all come out of one single exam at the end of every class, so a lot of exam success really depends more on your ability to spot issues and articulate rules while pressured for time. The fact that you took a Constitutional Law class in undergrad (this is the generalized "you", not you in particular) is NOT going to help you here.Knowing legal theory is great, but it's not going to replace the 100 UCC sections you had to memorize because the exam is closed-book! Exams take so many skills that you will probably be ahead in some areas and struggle in others. There is one universal fatality, though: cockiness. If you're prepared to struggle, then you don't get knocked off your feet. I thought that because I was an older student with a prior career and "life experience", that I would have an edge. It was a very dull edge.  :-\

As for the mommy thing, it's manageable. I have three kids and commute over 150 miles a day, but I still make it to their concerts and awards ceremonies and stuff. I'm tired a lot, but I catch up on weekends. If you don't let yourself get sucked into the social life and actually use the time between classes to get your work done, you really can take at least one day of the weekend off completely. Sometimes I get the whole weekend.  ;D It really goes up and down, though. There will be times when you have no time. Moot Court participation is mandatory, and that sucks away 2-3 weeks of your life. Practice Court the third year is all-consuming. If you join Law Review or the Moot Court team, that's more time. Everything in between is okay.

As for the scholarship thing, I have a full-ride, too. I think the ease of keeping it really depends on the class you enter with. The class that just started this Fall is fierce, because there are more people on scholarship than can actually keep their scholarship. In my class, there were only a handful of us, so it wasn't so bad. I despaired the first quarter because I thought I'd lose it, but I pulled it out of the fire the second quarter, and am still doing well so far for the third quarter (not all grades are in yet). I'm pretty sure I'll keep it. The first three quarters are the toughest. If you make it, then you'll be fine at least through the second year. Those are the easy classes. And if you bring it up high enough, then a bad grade in Practice Court the third year won't bring your GPA down far enough to lose it.

OK, that's enough. Good luck making a decision!

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Baylor($) or Texas
« on: November 19, 2005, 08:44:37 AM »
I wonder if the heavy emphasis on the practice of law results in a deficiency in the academic study of it.

The idea that the black-letter and the philosophy of the law are separate entities is a common myth. There is no war between the practical and the academic. One of my favorites is this notion that Baylor is a three-year Bar prep course but that it won't teach you to "think like a lawyer."  ::) You can't pass the Bar if you can't think like a lawyer. Frankly, if all you ever do is read cases and the professor never points out WHY you're reading cases, it would be very easy to miss the point. The LAW is in those cases! As lawyers, we don't get to walk into a courtroom and wax philosphical. You can't parse the finer points of statutory construction if you don't know how the courts have interpreted the language in the past. You need to do more than memorize legal formulae to be a good lawyer. Trust me... the average Baylor students probably spends 60 hours a week between classes and studying and writing, and it feels pretty damn academic.


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Baylor is GPA-happy,so even with a 165, Baylor is not a safety. Their current medians are 3.72/163. ;)

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