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You have to have about 8400 'practical hours of experience' before taking the PE unless you have gotten some credit from graduate engineering work + co-op.  Are you planning to go to LS part time?

Current Law Students / Digital Voice Recorders?
« on: June 09, 2006, 04:52:29 PM »
I'm thinking of getting one of these to record meetings at work as well as classes at law school.  It would be handy to have all lectures on MP3 on my computer.  Does anyone do this?  Any recommendations on products?  Will I be an uber geek if I bust out my recorder in class?

I think you should attend law school.  Is Widener your only option? 

I work for a civil engineering company right now, and the CEO is an engineer who got a J.D. from Duqaine (sp) in Pittsburh, which is T4.  I think having a J.D. is very useful in the engineering business.  All the J.D's that I know in this business are making 120K and higher.   

How many JD/CEs do you know?  Are they engineer, lawyers, or managers of engineering companies?

I nominate Giraffe the most gorgeous poster on LSD

How the hell can you tell from that diminutive picture? ??? :D

First, let me reiterate...  There is no lost income issue here.  I'll be working full time.  The total amount of money we are talking about risking is about $80k.  Also, I wouldn't exactly call Widener my "choice".  More accurately, it is my only option because of location and working full time.

what type of law do you want to do then? howcome not patent law??

Re: patent law...
While I'm not averse to IP law, I'm a civil engineer.  Civil engineering technology hasn't changed much in the past thousand-or-so years.  I'm not so sure my civil background would be that valuable in a field where most patents are for genetics, biomed, or software.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Other fields I've considered are patent litigation (different that getting the patents, I understand), contractor or engineer defense litigation, or general litigation of some kind.  I do not want to sit around and write contracts or ponder healthcare law.  A non-trial lawyer job seems more boring than what I do now.

Even if you get a full ride scholarship you will be giving up 3 years of salary at 85k,

I make $53k now, not $85k.  By "top out" I mean that I will make 85k in the later years of my career.  I'm only 28.

I'll also be going part time evening, so that means I will be working full time.  I will have $80k in debt for tuition, however.  The opportunity cost is only time, and whatever promotions I don't get because I'm too damn tired to do well at my job.  Basically, I stand to piss away only $80k if things don't work out.

What is it that is motivating you to attend law school? Is it b/c you are bored? Wish to learn about law?

I'm extraordinarily bored w/ my job.  The idea of topping out at $85k pisses me off.  I don't have the grades or memorization skills to go to med school.  After having been in the business world for a time, it seems that business people are equally if not more sleazy than lawyers, so an MBA isn't any more attractive.  And, yes, I think I would thoroughly enjoy being an attorney.

Alrighty.  Seat deposits are due May 1st.  I am trying to decide once and for all if going to Widener part time is a wise financial decision.

My story:  I'm a civil engineer.  I stand to top out in my engineering field at about $85k, not adjusted for future inflation.  The sky is the limit if I am able to go out on my own in an entreprenurial venture and start my own engineering company someday.

My LSAT score is in the top 10% of those admitted to Widener.  So if you trust this as an academic indicator for LS success, I should do better than average compared to the other students at Widener.  I would be in the part time program, which is the only one in the region.  Therefore, I have no scholarship offers because they have the part time market wrapped up.  I have no option to go full time, or to move because of family obligations.

I don't have delusions of making a $100k starting salary.  However, I would hope to get to $150k (not adjusted for inflation) in about 10-15yrs.

My question is this...  Is Widener financially worth it to someone who could attain an mid-middle to upper-middle class lifestyle without a law degree?  Is it in the cards to get to that $150k goal?

Current Law Students / Re: Post-LS career plans?
« on: March 30, 2006, 05:50:11 PM »
Litigation because I want to do something new on every case and I like confrontation.


Construction law because I have a civil engineering background.


Health law because it is a growth industry.


Government because I like the 8-5.


Just wanted to say that you are awesome and you can do it!  As a mom to 3, I know my law school experience will be different than my classmates, but I have different tools than they do.  We won't approach studying the same way, but it will be okay, and it will work out, precisely BECAUSE I (and YOU) have priorities in order.  Once you have kids and spouse, they simply have to come first because they are they best part of life and the only thing that endures.  Good luck to you! 

What, I'm not awesome?  Please limit your encouragement to the original poster.

I'm in my 1st semester now and people without full time jobs urk me to death.  They are the defacto superstars in class due in no small part to their 45 extra free hours per week.  I'm finding that I only have time to just get the assignments and reading done and cases breifed.  Outlining and synthesizing the law as I go is somewhat out of the question.  I'm thinking of taking a day off work every three weeks or so just to play catchup.

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