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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Santa Clara vs Pepperdine
« on: March 28, 2004, 11:22:31 AM »
Definitely take Santa Clara...Pepperdine may be in So. Cal but it has a bad reputation there, is populated by people hostile to the liberal sensibilities typical of the bay area and (I'm told) has some connection to Kenneth Starr.  Basically the place is less a serious legal institution and more of a diploma mill for wannabe evangelical social-engineers.  SC is still in a great area and the community you'll be able to network with will certainly be connected to IP/patent work in So. Cal.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: How the hell did they get in there
« on: March 26, 2004, 03:22:19 PM »
seeing how incredibly bitter/caustic/paranoid some of the folks are over on the PR boards, I wouldn't put it past some of them to try to skew the numbers... So few minorities go to law school anyway that getting rid of AA would probably only bring in a few more whites and they certainly wouldn't be those folks with 169s who female dog about a minority getting in with a 168 - if anyone gets screwed over, it's probably folks with 173+ who get rejected by 3 of the top-5 and then get accepted by the other two anyway. I remember some months ago someone on LS#s posted a 155 LSAT and noted that her daddy had given HLS a huge donation...frankly, I think we should simply rely on the LSAT/GPA info that ends up on the US News rankings.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Who found out over email?
« on: March 24, 2004, 02:36:59 PM »
Cornell and Boston College (BC seemed to just assume I knew since after only opening with only token congratulations, the email turned to the wonders of the admitted student "open house")

Law School Applications / Re: Mensa and the LSAT
« on: March 23, 2004, 11:13:24 PM »
yippie!  I knew there was a way to sneak into Mensa...I doubt I could ace an IQ test, but my LSAT score makes me golden!

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Turning Down Schools
« on: March 23, 2004, 06:53:16 PM »
"...writing a note." 

Just fill out the reply card that came with your acceptance letter.  It's sort of like failing to RSVP: bad manners.  BTW, Stanford and NYU typically wait to hear from the majority of the "auto-admits" before filling the remainder of the class; hence, a lot of bright people on pins and needles.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Turning Down Schools
« on: March 22, 2004, 05:02:20 PM »
So far, my plan has been to let the deposit deadline pass.

Just letting the deadline pass is needlessly cruel and inflicts similarly needless suffering on others.  I don't know how seriously you take things but it's well known that most decent schools get way more qualified applicants than they can admit and sitting on an offer any longer than necessary just keeps people stuck on waitlists, or worse yet, gets them rejected for lack of space based on a projected yield.

Hello  everyone
I was wondering what the correct protocal for turning down schools you don't want to go to anymore is.  Both for schools that have accepted you, and schools that have yet to make a decision.  Do I email them, call them, write them a letter?

As to the original question: I had an app pending with USC and since I don't want to go there and only applied as an additional safety school with the waiver they sent me, I emailed and asked them to remove me from consideration as soon as I got in somewhere better.  Just say that you would like to withdraw your application as you will not be matriculating at their institution.  The response was very gracious and they wished me success in my plans.  Only sit on the offers you are seriously considering.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: NYU v. Columbia
« on: March 19, 2004, 05:28:08 PM »
I think I know what you're talking about...the vibes are strange in JG. I'm finishing up undergrad at NYU and I can say that while there is a moderately elite attitude at NYU (law), it isn't "stereotypically elite" like the feeling I got in JG.  Anyhow, I'm going to the admitted student program next weekend so I'll give them the chance to seduce me...starting to lose hope on NYU though, since it's well known on campus that they don't really like to admit NYU undergrads and my numbers were borderline anyway.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: NYU v. Columbia
« on: March 19, 2004, 03:23:26 AM »
NYU is taking forever to get back to me but I worry that I'll be faced with the same dilemma...anyone who can sell me on Columbia should do so ASAP so I can get in on the ground floor with the housing situation...I'm also getting sick of the waiting.

Recommendations / Re: How to ask for a letter of rec?
« on: March 19, 2004, 01:44:06 AM »
This is what should be done...

1) Find professors who meet the following criteria: (a) knows something (anything) about law school, lawyers, politics, argumentation, philosophy, sociology, etc.; (b) teaches a course you actually liked and did well in. 

2) Approach the professor by scheduling a meeting to "talk about law school." Don't just pop the question...this is sort of like a proposal so take it seriously. 

3) At the meeting, ask them for an honest appraisal of your fitness for law school.  If they say you suck or show any reluctance, go elsewhere.  This question is to make sure that they are actually going to recommend that various schools admit you. 

4) Pop the question; many posters above have given excellent advice on wording. 

5) don't hand over the forms just yet.  Get back to them in a few days with a dossier.  This should include all the school-specific forms and envelopes, the LSDAS forms (so you can apply to all the places you won't mention to the prof because no one would think you're "Harvard material"), draft(s) of your personal statement(s), a resume, copies of significant work you've done in the prof's class (I included two papers, one from each class I took with a recommender - so each prof got to see the work I'd done in the other's class), a brief letter (to the prof) with info about your favorite schools and chances of getting in, the Academic Summary from LSAC, the LSAT score conversion chart for your test, the pages from the LSAT/GPA calculator with schools to which you are applying highlighted and notes on chances of admission...all this stuff allows the prof. to literally write you into the school of your choice if you have borderline numbers and they think you should still get in.  It also shows that you've done your homework and that you are serious about law school.  Remember, a personalized dossier increases the chance of a personalized rec.

That's the deal.

Also, look for diversity in recs. Don't just go to your adviser and your favorite teacher by default.  I didn't ask my adviser to recommend me because I haven't seen him in over a year. Go outside your department to get recs from the perspective of different academic disciplines...the admission folks don't want one-hit wonders (unless you're from MIT and can write a program to predict the outcome of any which case flee, because some judge will lock you up and lose the paperwork).

Wait List / Re: Fordham Waitlist
« on: March 14, 2004, 06:33:46 PM »
I was waitlisted with a 3.78/162/168.

I don't follow...was that a 3.78 in "television observation" or something?  one should have a fighting chance at Columbia or NYU with those numbers...definitely Boalt or Cornell

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