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Law School Admissions / Re: how many pages should a resume be?
« on: January 04, 2008, 07:00:08 AM »
Well, I won't be an a-hole about it like bewarelemmings, but I reiterate that there is almost NO reason why your resume should be longer than one page.  Almost of of these apps have space to list awards, ECs, and WE.  The resume should be short b/c it shouldn't duplicate info already in your app. 

For example, if your PS is about the success you've had playing college sports--all-american, team ranked top five in the nation under your leadship as captain--there's no need to occupy five lines on a resume re: that sport.

A good app is concise:  it shows adcoms that 1) you're cool and they should take you, and 2) you're not a smack.  I fear that folks with one or two jobs, and a coupla of summer internships will be prompted by this thread to use a two-pager.  Don't do it.

Other Resume Advice:

1) lose the objective, if you have one.
2) lose your skills section.  No adcom cares that you're good with Photshop and Word.
3) Use Times 12. You can fit more on that way, if you really feel you need to
4) No job or internship should require more than TWO bullets of explanation.  It is your job to be clear and concise.
5) DO NOT put periods at the end of your bullets!  This also means that no bullet should have more than one sentence in it!
6) Do not use multiple font types (or sizes) in your resume.  In fact, use the same font (and size) throughout your app if you can.
7) Don't leave your contact info in the header.  Just put your LSAC number and name.
8 ) eliminate bullets and experiences that are redundant. If you canvassed for Edwards in 2004 and 2008, list it as "Edwards for Prseident 2004 and 2008, Canvasser.

I have 10 years professional WE in three fields and 3 years volunteer work.  My resume fits on one page.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: a Tale of Two Outlines
« on: January 04, 2008, 06:41:49 AM »
Someone asked above what Ks are.  Ks are Contracts.

All should feel free to ask questions about networking, study habits, burn out, gunners, etc. I'm a 2L who learned what worked for me the hard way, so maybe this thread can make it a bit easier for y'all 0Ls.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: a Tale of Two Outlines
« on: January 03, 2008, 11:37:21 AM »
Flowcharts work for Ks better than other 1L classes.  I think, though, that whether a flow is useful depends on how one thinks.

I have viewed similar outlines and one I found (contracts from Harvard) was pretty interesting.  At the beginning the student made a flow chart for decision making.  The chart took about two pages and then he had a normal looking outline after that.  Have you found preparation like this useful or is the chart going to have just the immutable concepts whereas the test will want the idiosyncrasies that need to be further fleshed out in a normal outline format anyways?  Thanks for your insight so far.

Law School Admissions / Re: how many pages should a resume be?
« on: January 03, 2008, 08:45:47 AM »
There's almost no reason why a law school applicant would need more than a single page, one inch margins, 12 point Times. If you have NO or almost no WE, it definitely shouldn't exceed one page.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: a Tale of Two Outlines
« on: January 03, 2008, 07:24:20 AM »
Sure, there's a bunch of stuff, but you gotta feel it out once you get there.  Like, am I in the a.s.s.hole section, the quiet section, or the gossip girl section?  Who's fun to hang with, who's helpful, who might be good to study with? Which prof's exam can be prepared for in the two days before it? What time should I get up every day?  Bed? How much sleep, exercise, food, sex, studying do I need so I don't go insane?

These are all things you need to figure out on your own.  Don't rush.  Feel it out for the first month.  Adjust as necessary.  And, don't be an a.s.s.hole-->help other people, befriend fellow students, have coffee, BS in the lounge for a couple hours a day.  This is key:  creeps and freaks don't get jobs usually.  Yes, good grades help, but if you've the social skills of a serial killer and haven't made any friends, you'll have no network and get no summer job / perm job.  

Deep breaths.  Big smile.  Hi, how are yous?  Where are from?  Wanna get some some coffee?  That's lawyering.

what stuff won't i know?

would you say that this discussion covered it, or is there anything else i'm missing?

General Off-Topic Board / Re: a Tale of Two Outlines
« on: January 03, 2008, 07:06:51 AM »
Nobody ever tells you the impt stuff.  How about this for impt:  use the TOCs of your casebooks from day one.  I was halfway through my first semester before I realized that the profs WERE presenting the material in some kind of organized manner.  ALWAYS step back and take a 10,000-foot view:  where does this fit?  why am I reading it?

The best is when you realize that the prof has made you read 10 opinions only to realize that the 10th one synthesizes ALL the previous cases.  BLOWS.  Big picture.  Big picture.  J is right, too.  Law school is about learning exceptions and exceptions to exceptions.  Once that's done, you realize that all the law you'll ever need to practice was NEVER covered in law school anyway:  they just wanted to f.u.c.k with you for three years.

ah, I see!

so the E&E works to give the core concepts, whereas the cases will give you a few notable exceptions to explore the gray area.

damn.  maybe the casebook isn't so useless after all, but i wish they would tell you that at the beginning.

how would Vosburg vs. Putney complicate proximate cause?  what does it do for your torts exam?  it seems a little antiquated for today's classroom, and, honestly, i'm frustrated that you have to make sense of its semantically confusing claims about causes and consequences.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: a Tale of Two Outlines
« on: January 03, 2008, 06:38:59 AM »
Diff approaches work for diff folks.  I'd be very careful thinking that any one approach will always work for you.  Be prepared to adjust your habits along the way if they're not working.  By now (4th semester), I do no briefing, very little reading, show up for class, and take careful notes.  Then I outline like a madman for a few weeks.  J is right re: hypos and old exams-->they're key in helping a student learn how to structure answers and communicate to profs.

interesting, J. 

why do you think that likewise and you seem to contradict each other?

it seems like just listening to the way the prof. gets the hang of things would be enough.  and the E&E seems like it does a MUCH better job of explaining legal reasoning, especially segues into policy discussions and issue-spotting.  my ConLaw casebook is a trainwreck -- no doubt about it.  it's just way too dense for any critical understanding.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: a Tale of Two Outlines
« on: January 03, 2008, 06:34:23 AM »
You're right here, and it's really just two different approaches.  I outline each semester for a solid two weeks before my exams.  I fact, it's probably half the work I do in a semester (if not more).  If one chooses NOT to outline, the E&Es can be very helpful. Best E&E:  Glannon's CivPro!!!

Nah.  I bought some commercial casebriefs and they would've been helpful if I was writing up my own outline, but I didn't.  Other than that, I honestly think the E&Es are good enough.  Here's what you should do:

1)  Read cases.  Don't brief.
2)  Read E&E section on subject area being covered in class when you start it.  Do the practice questions.  Finish E&Es once this way.
3)  Read E&Es a second time while studying for exams.  Don't bother doing the problems again if you don't feel it's necessary.
4)  Gather old exams from your various profs.  Look through one (including the answers) before you study anything.  Then, when you feel relatively comfortable with the material, do two, unassisted, timed. 

You should be ready to destroy your exams after this.  The more you practice (particularly old exam questions written by your prof), the stronger you'll perform, so do all the exams you have if you have the time.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: a Tale of Two Outlines
« on: January 03, 2008, 06:29:06 AM »
Briefing is generally helpful for most 1Ls, especially during the firt semester.  Most folks can't appreciate the ins and outs of an opinion and have a difficulting time separating holdings from dicta, so briefing for the first few weeks isn't a bad idea.

Anyhoo,  outlines should help you get the best grade you can.  Some of mine have been very short (4 or 5 pages) and some have been much longer (torts was in excess of 25).  It all depends on how many RULES that prof expects you to apply on his/her exam. An outline should 1) streamline, 2) organize, and 3) synthesize.  The synthesis is the hardest part at first.

I would never use a supplement beyond the text unless 1) you just don't get it or 2) the prof is a useless trainwreck.  Leraning how to read cases (not avoiding your casebook) nets understanding of the material and better grades in law school.

Finally,  unlike the one poster above, I find that class attendence, participation, and notes are extremely useful to me.  The holding(s) that I wrote in the margins of my casebook may in no way jive with how the prof has read the case, so careful attention and note-taking in class is crucial.  Biggest mistake by 1Ls:  they take FAR too many notes. Capture what's important, not everything that's said.  And for me, learning HOW to capture what's important came through briefing the first half of my first semester.

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