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General Board / Re: Questions....
« on: February 22, 2009, 12:40:46 PM »
Nothing. Do absolutely nothing related to law school.

1st semester 1L can be confusing, and I'd be concerned that any reading for classes in advance would make it worse, not better. Professors can be quirky folks. One's better to feel profs out in the first coupla weeks than to enter with preconceptions.

Take a vacation, hang with your friends or SO, read a cheesy novel on the beach. I think those are the best ways to prepare for 1L.

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Acceptances / Re: Accepted to Temple University Beasley School of Law!
« on: February 22, 2009, 12:32:17 PM »
I attend Temple and live in Philly.

You're right to say that Temple is less expensive than other alternatives. One can also live inexpensively in the city, unless one's determined to live in Rittenhouse or Society Hill.

Anyhoo.

Jobs: Well, the job market is in the crapper everywhere, and Philly's no different. City budgetary constraints have dropped new govt hires (in legal positions) to near zero or zero, and some firms are hiring smaller classes or letting more tenured associates go.  Many get frightened by this, but it's all a matter of perspective. There are legal jobs to be had; one merely need lower his expectations and he'll likely find what he needs, even if it's not what he wants.  I will say that Temple offers some useful assistance through our career services folks. The door always remains open for job counseling, no matter what the market. A minority of students obtain positions outside Philadelphia in NY, NJ, DE, and "everywhere else."

Culture: The culture in Philly is food and drink, mostly. We have great places to hang for cheap beer and karaoke as well as high end joints (that one probably can't afford as a student anyway). Great ethnic food, the cheesesteak, and more snack food per capita than any other place on earth. We've got all the historical jazz, theaters, and a great selection of museums, too.

Student Life: I could be wrong, but I think the students at Temple are more friendly and welcoming than at some other law schools. It wasn't hard to find a group I felt comfortable with and have fun with. The faculty are generally very approachable, which helps. The administration and financial aid, though with their hiccups given the size of the university, is also approachable and helpful.

On the whole, I couldn't have picked a better school for me. Temple is more diverse in age and race than many other schools, too, which is really nice. I don't feel as cloistered there as I might at other schools.

Oh, and Temple just raised its curve to a 3.05 from a 2.85, so that it'd more in line with the schools in our area ( I think that's the reason). Doesn't help me (3L), but it's not a bad deal; more folks get to slap their GPAs on resumes now, I gather.

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Law School Applications / Re: Incomplete at Temple
« on: January 16, 2009, 07:34:42 AM »
Temple 3L here. Temple does rolling admissions, using a three-pile system, from what I know. If you're in the auto-admit pile, you may hear from them quickly. If you're in the "no way" pile, you may hear from them quickly, but they may also build a stack of rejects before shipping the letters out. If you're in the "review by the committee" pile, you could wait quite a while for your decision; I'd guess six to twelve weeks.

I've had a very positive experience with Temple staff in my three years here. Remember, these folks deal with the worst of the worst on a daily basis -- law students and law school applicants. We're demanding folks, and the beginning of the semester is a very busy part of the year.

If I were the OP, I'd call back, give my name, ask whether my file is complete, and offer to do anything reqd to get it complete. Temple receives over 4000 apps a year; it can get hectic. The OP is right to get it all in line. And after a reasonable period of time, if one's app remains incomplete, call to get it resolved.

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General Board / Re: 1st Month Thoughts
« on: September 27, 2008, 12:27:58 PM »
3L here.

Most of you folks seem to be adjusting well. A few suggestions, most of which I learned in hindsight.

1) Spend the amount of time you need to do as well as you can in LRW. This will likely be your writing sample, and writing samples help you get jobs. Besides, if your LRW is graded, some interviewers will take note if you do well. However, don't tank in your substantive classes b/c you're re-writing your memo for the 13th time.

2) Don't run out of steam. This is a marathon that culminates in a sprint. Save some juice for outlining and studying in the two weeks that run up to exams.

3) Don't worry about appearing smart to profs and fellow students. "I don't know" is often the best answer, even you get beat down for it by the prof. He/she would rather see you do that than get a C on his/her exam.

4) Avoid large study groups. Anything over three is large. Inevitably as a 1L, you rope in some know-it-all who will really screw up your outline. Or, you get someone so much smarter or dumber than you; the group will then move too fast or too slow for your taste. Do use small study groups early to see if they're helpful. If they are, stick with your crew. Avoid discussing grades with those in your study groups.

5) Use treatises. However, talk to folks that have had your prof before to find out whether a) a treatise will be helpful at all and b) if helpful, which one's the best fit.

6) Profs are people too. Talk to them when you don't get it--and when you think you do. If you're concerned and have the time, grab old exams and review them with him/her.

7) Look at the big picture. There are only a half dozen key sub-areas in each of your classes. Know what they are and have something to say about each on your exam. Look at your syllaboy and the TOCs of each text; what's the prof doing? Why?

8) Sleep, eat, talk to your family, spend time with your sig other. Go see movies, go clubbing, dance your pants off. Make time: it decreases crash-and-burn likelihood? HOW!!?  Give yourself at least one full day off each week. If you work smart, you can actually get all the stuff you NEED to do into a standard five-day workweek.

9) DO NOT WORRY ABOUT WHAT ANYBODY ELSE IS DOING. You're number one. Be kind and respectful of others, but never let them rent space in your head.

10) Go to networking events, even if you're socially inept. Don't worry, many lawyers are awkward. Yes, 5% of your classmates are very quiet, get great grades, and land GREAT jobs: chances are you won't be one of these. Great opportunities arrive when you least expect it, so smile, shake hands, and eat some free food. (But, don't try to do the food/drink at the same time thing, cuz then shaking hands becomes awkward.) (Always wear your nametag on your right lapel.)

11) Don't be "that guy." He doesn't get a job. Don't get too drunk, don't sleep with your professors (or too many of your classmates), don't go to class when you have the plague, don't talk poo on people, don't talk about grades, and don't drag around a massive wheelie-bag. Do shower every day, do put clothes on that don't make you look like a harlot,  and do talk to people and make friend.


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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Received grade for 1st memo
« on: September 27, 2008, 11:55:27 AM »
Nope, it's not. Work w/ the prof to improve, if you'd like. Do as you're told, and the grade will improve.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Thoughts on Villanova
« on: September 20, 2008, 08:39:44 AM »
All three schools discussed here are good schools. I say regional, schmegional, though. If you get a score in the low 160s, blanket the schools in the 50s and 60s, and see how much they offer. Choose the school that will cost the least (considering any conditions they place on the scholarship. Temple, rutgers, case, pitt, villanova...they're all fine, if you get them at a discount.

I'm in-state at Temple and paying full, which seems reasonable.

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That's me.  Send it.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Need Help Deciding
« on: May 23, 2008, 12:22:40 PM »
I'm so happy for you (OP) that you were able to secure some scholarship money from Villnova, making it an excellent choice.  I wish you the best of luck.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Need Help Deciding
« on: May 20, 2008, 10:29:35 AM »
Do you really have no other options than these two? I'd say Creighton, too, but I'm wondering how the heck you ended up in this situation.

Creighton is a good school, but you'll be hard-pressed to get a gig out of NE or IA. I'm planning on practicing in IA after graduating from Temple, so I know that challenge.

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General Board / Re: What is the most difficult 1L subject ??
« on: May 20, 2008, 10:11:27 AM »
CivPro, for me. It was, though, my best grade during my first year. I think that whether a subject is difficult depends on the individual and the professor.

CivPro was challenging because the cases and concepts were simply more difficult for me to grasp than the other courses.

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