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Law School Admissions / Re: How does one score in the 130s?
« on: July 13, 2004, 11:49:22 AM »
That is, in fact, how med school apps work.

And from what I've heard, law schools do not favor graduates from their institution's undergrad programs.  It differs from school to school, I'd imagine, but quite a few people I know that applied to their undergrad institutions got rejected, and yet were accepted at similarily ranked schools. 

I don't at all think that law schools, in general, favor graduates from their institution's undergrad.  The school I spoke of us University of South Carolina and they DO favor from their undergrad, and more specifically from their state.  They are the only ABA law school in the state and there's a huge "good ole boy" network going on.  They DO favor from their undergrad.  There are perhaps other reasons for this, like the fact that USC is the biggest undergrad school in the state.  However, anyone who has spent anytime in SC, especially Columbia, will tell you that USC is like a cult there.  USC grads protect their own, hire their own, network like crazy...big time good ole boy system!  :)  The law school is no different.

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You're going to have to pay what you owe them.  Not only does the LSDAS need the transcript to compute your grades, but the law school you end up attending will ask for a final transcript showing that you graduated before you can register for classes.  There are lots of loans out there for past-due school balances.  The one I used was www.teri.org.

I would clear this up.  You can take out a loan with TERI for a past-due balance and then defer it while you're in law school.  Why would you not have paid this though?  I had a past-due balance because of financial problems my senior year in undergrad, but I took out the past-due balance loan from TERI around graduation time and have paid what I could before law school starts and I defer.

Also, you have to pass a character and fitness evaluation to be admitted to the bar.  They DO check education loans and such, so I'm sure they'd find out you owe your undergrad money.  I doubt this would look very good when they evaluate you, and if you aren't admitted to the bar, then you've wasted 3 years in law school and all the debt you incur there.

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Law School Admissions / Re: How does one score in the 130s?
« on: July 13, 2004, 09:25:54 AM »
What about GPA comparisons? What did yours look like compared to his? 

It sounds like in your case the system failed.  I do have a good friend who flunked out of University of Wisconsin because of way too much partying, doing drugs, etc... and then went on to score a 174 and got accepted to Northwestern.  But he also had straight A's the last 3.5 years of college and turned things around as far as maturity, which doesn't sound like it's the case with your co-worker.

I'd say, if that law school made such a poor decision you probably shouldn't go there anyway.  A weak administration is a fair sign that the school will be weak as a whole--especially if they're admitting bacchanals.

His GPA was slightly better than mine, I think by maybe .15 or so.  His grades did not have an upward trend really, they were just average overall.  Also, his misconduct and irresponsible behavior was all during his senior year.  However, his degree was from a large state school (which coincidentally is where the law school is affiliated), in a major which is highly regarded as a joke at that school.  My degree is from a small private liberal arts school known in this region for being extremely tough (ie. absolutely NO grade inflation, in fact, As are unheard of and there's somewhat of a forced curve).  I would think that his LSAT, combined with the fact that he attended the undergrad institution, gave him the advantage over me at this school.  Luckily, as it turns out, I really didn't want to go to school there afterall. 

However, my point is that I'm sure there are lots of situations like this.  I just wish all schools could interview like med schools do, I think it gives you a much better idea of what a person is like.

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Law School Admissions / Re: How does one score in the 130s?
« on: July 13, 2004, 08:56:37 AM »
I agree mostly with shadowcreeper's comments, so I won't repeat her.  However, I did want to point out that I think the LSAT is given entirely too much weight.  I wish law schools conducted interviews to find out more about applicants, how mature they are, etc.  Med schools do it (my best friend is going through all that right now), so why can't law schools?

Excellent example of my argument:
I worked in a law office as a paralegal this time last year.  Our office employed a "runner" who was the same age as me and also applying to law school.  He took the LSAT and received a 158, while I took it twice and received a 150 and a 154.  He was admitted to the law school we lived near, I was not.  So because he got a 158 does that mean he'll do better in law school and be a better attorney?  I doubt it!  He was fired from our firm because he came into work hungover numerous times and simply didn't show up several days.  He can't even hold down a job as a lowly runner in a law firm, but he's mature and responsible enough to handle law school and being an attorney?  I think not.  However, simply because he did better on a test than I did, he got into better law schools.  Perhaps if they had taken the time to interview him and ask why he left his law office job, or why he had no letters of recommendation from the attorneys he worked for, they would have found out that he can't even hold down a job.  What are the chances he's now magically pulled his act together and will attend classes regularly and do all the work associated with law school?  Probably not very good.  

However, I have held two law office jobs during and after law school, both as a legal secretary and as a paralegal.  I have excellent recommendations from both firms.  I also managed to hold down my law office job (working 15-20 hours a week), graduate college a semester early by taking an overload several semesters, compete as a varsity athlete, write on the school paper, and work as a university ambassador.  However, because he did a little better on the LSAT they have deemed that he has a better chance to succeed in law school...I think not.

So, whoever said that those with poor LSATs need to prove their side, and those with good LSATs need to prove their side...I'm sure you're right.  However, I think the case I've stated proves that the LSAT cannot predict everything, as there are so many things it cannot take into account.

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Law School Admissions / Re: How does one score in the 130s?
« on: July 12, 2004, 05:06:04 PM »
http://www.keepmedia.com/ShowItemDetails.do?itemID=503842&extID=10032&oliID=213
"Through a statistical survey, he shows that success on the LSAT is a much better predictor of success on a timed, in-class test than it is on a take-home exam or a long written assignment. Both "blue book" exams and the LSAT assess not only ability but also speediness, a skill that psychological research has suggested is unrelated to intelligence. While Henderson asserts that a good lawyer must have some capacity to think quickly—if you snooze in court, you typically lose—he argues that tightly timed tests have little in common with the work done by practicing lawyers. Writing briefs, doing scholarly research, and trying cases are all activities that are typically completed over periods of days, not hours."

http://www.lsacnet.org/lsac/publications/CAUTIONARYPolicies2003.pdf
I thought this was interesting.  This is a publication produced by LSAC and distributed to schools which discusses how they should use the LSAT in admissions decisions.

www.etax.byu.edu/Faculty_Pub/Thomas/LSAT%20study.pdf
After discussing the use of the LSAT and UGPA for predicting law school performance, the author says..."The predictive power of any of these measures is not strong, and only the most general patterns may be discerned. Entering law students should not feel that their future academic success is either unduly limited or assured by the quality of their academic credentials."

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2381/Lawschoolscase/lawschoolscasesummary.html
U.S. District Court Judge Bernard A. Friedman ruled that the University of Michigan Law School's should stop using the LSAT as an admission tool. "One such solution may be to relax, or even eliminate, reliance on the LSAT. The evidence presented at trial indicated that the LSAT predicts law school grades rather poorly (with a correlation of only 10-20%) and that it does not predict success in the legal profession at all."

I know I've run across more articles, but these are the ones I've found in a short amount of time searching on the internet.  I think there are cases for both sides, but there is certainly enough data to suggest that the LSAT is not always an accurate predictor of law school success.  A 10-20% correlation is nothing to get excited over.  Apparently, however, no better method exists, so schools continue to use the LSAT in admissions decisions.

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Law School Admissions / Re: How does one score in the 130s?
« on: July 12, 2004, 04:28:03 PM »
I agree with ruskiegirl...I've seen other studies that suggest no correlation between LSAT performance and law school performance.

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Law School Admissions / Re: How does one score in the 130s?
« on: July 12, 2004, 09:16:08 AM »
shadowcreeper:  Just wanted to lend some encouragement.  I was an overachiever, much like you seem to be...I graduated high school a year early, graduated college a semester early by taking summer classes and overloading a semester or two, was a varsity college athlete, wrote on the school paper, and worked at least 15-20 hours a week in a law firm.  I graduated with a 2.87 and took the LSAT twice, scoring a 150 and 154. 

I got into two tier 4 schools and am very excited to be attending one of them this fall.  I have no doubts going into this that I will be able to do well.  I have, however, made myself a promise for law school...no more taking on every activity that comes my way.  I would love to participate in things like the SBA, law review and moot court, but I will not let myself take on so much that my grades suffer like they did in college.  Anyhow, I'm very excited about attending law school this fall and hope that your admissions season goes well and that you will be attending sometime soon.  Feel free to PM me if you want to chat more!  :)

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Law School Admissions / Re: Just bought a laptop.
« on: July 11, 2004, 07:09:17 PM »
To that apple poster, can you really add memory later?  The problem with my laptop, and most all I guess, is that you cannot upgrade CPU, HD, RAM, Etc. 

I'm not sure about Apple, but there are options for adding RAM on most computers if you buy it correctly.  For example, when selecting my Dell I had two options, 512 MB RAM (1 DIMM) or 512 MB RAM (2 DIMM).  The (2 DIMM) was a little cheaper, however, I found out that the (1 DIMM) means the RAM is only taking up 1 slot in the machine and there's still one left open to add more RAM.  If you get the (2 DIMM) then both slots are already full.

I'm not sure if you can have your RAM taken out and replaced with more after you have the computer, but I think that you can.

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Law School Admissions / Re: Just bought a laptop.
« on: July 11, 2004, 05:08:10 PM »
I originally looked at a Sony VAIO that had a 12" screen and decided I would have to go up to a 14", which is why I'm now getting the Dell.  I tried typing on the VAIO with the 12" screen and the keyboard was difficult to manuever on because its so small.  Maybe that's just me though!  :)

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Law School Admissions / Re: Just bought a laptop.
« on: July 11, 2004, 04:57:07 PM »
Nice comp


I just bout a laptop too. I went to the light side and bought my first Apple computer (iBook G4). I wanted something small, light, and reasonably priced. I really liked those small Sony's, but $2k + was a bit much.

12in screen, 1Ghz, 256 RAM, 30gb HD, CD/DVD Burner, all the apps I need, and a whole bunch of ports (Firewire, bluetooth, USB etc). I got it for $899 and a free HP printer (got it through my school, student discount). I was going to spend $1900 on an IBM Thinkpad T42, but I thought to myself, why do I need all that power when all I do is download music, burn cds, email, surf the web, type papers etc. So far I love my comp, but I might increase the memory by 256mb, and I kinda wish the hd was a bit bigger. But for $899, I'm not complaining....and if I need something more for law school, I guess I'll shell out the money for one later.

You're one of the first people I've heard of who's bought an Apple.  Does your school support Apple computers?  I heard most required you to have an IBM compatible.  I had lots of Apples when I was younger though and always liked them.

I'm getting the Dell 600m sometime this week, hopefully that'll go well!  :)

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