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I did not assume any numbers.  I called the placement offices at both UM and Duke for real numbers.  Again for the past ten years it was 16 UM and 10 Duke. 

And any objective person in the legal academic and employment worlds would think you are crazy if you tell them Duke is in decline.  I will have a good weeknd of laugh. 


Also, Michigan has a per-capita edge in SCOTUS placement, along with its absolute edge.  (Michigan's edge is even more impressive in relation to schools like NYU, Penn, Georgetown and Duke.)  And this reputational edge also probably extends to other prestigious clerkships and top jobs.  

Either you flunked your math course or I flunked my math course. 

Duke's current student body is about 650 and UM is 1149.  So UM is almost twice as large. 

Since I have so many free minutes remaining on my cell I called the career offices at UM and Duke.  For the past ten years Duke has 10 SCOTUS clerks and Michigan has 16. 

Given that UM is so much bigger, you call that an "impressive edge."  That is fuzzy math pure and simple.   


According to Leiter's survey, from 1991-2001, Michigan placed 16 clerks, and Duke placed 7.  http://www.utexas.edu/law/faculty/bleiter/rankings02/clerkships.html

This means that Michigan had an even larger per-capita edge over Duke than it had over Northwestern during that period, since Duke had a larger class than NU.  (>30% advantage.) 

Since Duke has essentially been in decline since that time (in terms of student numbers, faculty quality, and overall rank), I find it hard to believe that it has actually increased its rate of SCOTUS clerkships vs. UM.  (Michigan has placed 21 since 1991.  If we assume that Duke has placed .75 a year, which is a generous assumption in light of their prior record, that would leave them with around 10 during that entire period. This is lower on a per-captia basis as well as an absolute basis.)

This is of course also irrelevant to the point at issue, which is NU vs. Michigan.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: hofstra vs. st johns
« on: May 21, 2005, 05:59:16 PM »
Didn't ex-Mayor Cuomo go to St Johns?

It is ex governor of New York. 

Yes he did go to SJ. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Emory Chances
« on: May 21, 2005, 05:57:36 PM »
This individual has me a little concerned. However, his report that last year Emory admitted no one from the waitlist seems to contradict with the data on lawschoolnumbers.com. Someone provided me with the link for the 03-04 Emory admissions cycle and there were a few admits off the waitlist. Is lawschoolnumbers.com reliable?

Obviously I do not know for sure 100% but it would be very unlikely that Emory did not use its waitlist.  Much higher ranked schools used it last year. 

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Damn it, for a second time, go to the lender's website and apply for a loan now (select UM as your school) to see if you can get a loan.  This will get an instant decision. 

There is no reason to say that I do not know if you can get the loans because you can find out instantly. 



i guess i'm confused as to why you stayed on the michigan waitlist if you want to go to ND.  i withdrew from all of the waitlists that i was on since i knew that if any of them called, i wouldn't go there over michigan.

if you want to go to ND, go to ND.  i don't think it is true that people on this board always tell you to go to the higher ranked school.  (please see burgh's question on michigan vs. northwestern.)  i think the disparity in opportunities coming out of michigan vs. notre dame is large enough that people say michigan because they want you to have as many options coming out of law school as possible.  if you don't care about biglaw, federal clerkships, prestigious public interest work, etc., then don't worry about it. (i'm not saying you may not be able to get these jobs from ND, but it will take much more work.)

there is a large going-to-michigan contingent on this board and i've been impressed (as i was when i visited) about how excited they are to attend michigan.  although you loved notre dame, there is also something great about michigan that has all of these people talking!

good luck with your decision!   

I was only admitted to ND off the waitlist about three weeks ago.  I didn't even really have time to think of withdrawing from Mich's waitlist.  Above that though, I'm well aware of how great a school Mich is and I was just holding out hope that maaayybbee I'd get in (as I said, didn't think it would happen). 

Don't get me wrong, I love Michigan, it was my number one choice before I even started this application process.  But once I started learning about ND and talking to people associated with the school, I fell in love you know. 

At any rate, I think I've made up my mind...I'm going to go to Michigan.  Though I love ND and think it's a great school, I really do think that I'd be passing up too good an opportunity.  I don't want to trade innumerable opportunities for three great years. Besides, I'm becoming more and more convinced that I'll love Mich as much as ND.

I REALLY hope everyone is right about this loan stuff, cause I'ma turn down ND this week and would be really screwed if I couldn't afford to go to Mich...

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You see, another things that's kinda worrying me is the deadline for the ND deposit is next week, and I don't wanna turn them down and then not be able to afford Mich.

My credit is kinda s$#t and I don't know if I'll even be able to take out the loans necessary to pay for Mich, whereas wit the ND fellowship and the Stafford Loans, I'm covered.

Hate this decision!  It sucks (though I am quite thankful)

You can go to the website of a private lender (Access Group, Citibank, whatever) and apply NOW.  Assume the worse scenario--that you will receive no funds from UM.  Apply for the amount that will enable you to pay for it (minus Stafford).  You will get an instant decision with the rate they are charging you. 

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Go to Michigan.  While ND is a very reputable school, it is simply not at UM's level. 

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Yes, but Michigan says the same thing. ;D

I do think NU has the most mature student body because its admission process really factors in work experience. 

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Also, Michigan has a per-capita edge in SCOTUS placement, along with its absolute edge.  (Michigan's edge is even more impressive in relation to schools like NYU, Penn, Georgetown and Duke.)  And this reputational edge also probably extends to other prestigious clerkships and top jobs.  

Either you flunked your math course or I flunked my math course. 

Duke's current student body is about 650 and UM is 1149.  So UM is almost twice as large. 

Since I have so many free minutes remaining on my cell I called the career offices at UM and Duke.  For the past ten years Duke has 10 SCOTUS clerks and Michigan has 16. 

Given that UM is so much bigger, you call that an "impressive edge."  That is fuzzy math pure and simple.   

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UVA vs. UPenn
« on: May 19, 2005, 03:53:44 PM »
I would pick UVA to get a different kind of environment. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Duke (20k) vs USC (45k)
« on: May 18, 2005, 01:02:02 PM »
I had this exact same decision to make (except Im almost positive I want to end up back in Northern California). I chose Duke, if only for the reason that I was afraid I would be stuck in LA if I went to USC.  I hear they have great alumni networking, but it is pretty much limited to SoCal.  In talking to attorneys, it seems that Duke has a more national reputation and many encouraged me to go to Duke.  I think it will just open more doors in the long run.

Agreement.  Duke is better than USC. 

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