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Job Search / Re: North Carolina Firms
« on: August 06, 2008, 04:05:34 AM »
More national firms like Alston are going to give you more job security than the smaller firms. If they're listed in AmLaw, check their PPP (esp as compared to last year and the year before) to get some sense of how the firm is doing financially. Also, do a search on abovethelaw to see if there are any lay-off rumors or other red flags.

All that said, I wouldn't be too picky in this economy. If you get an offer, take it. You want an offer, you want to get your foot in the door, even if it isn't perfect right away, you have a better shot at moving around after your first year than at getting a job after graduation if you don't have an offer on the table at that point.

Job Search / Re: Split-summer-friendly firms?
« on: August 06, 2008, 04:00:25 AM »
Splitting with a PI firm would probably be easier to swing than splitting with another firm, but neither of the markets you mentioned is particularly split friendly. You can get the information you are looking for in the NALP directory, where you can see whether they allow splits and the minimum number of weeks you would have to commit to the firm in question.

Given market conditions right now, you want to make sure your firm doesn't think for a second that you would take that PI job over their offer, so I think it's best practice, at least for the duration of the economic downturn to focus on PI programs that the firm you want to work for actually sponsors. I don't remember for sure, but I think MOFO, HK, and Wilmer have some sort of summer PI thing.

Just be very, very careful and make sure you are demonstrating a convincing commitment to the firm and to fee-earning firm work.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Stanford Law School Class of 2011
« on: August 06, 2008, 03:54:17 AM »
Congrats, guys! As a grad of the school across the Bay, I can honestly say, I have a bit of degree envy. Stanford rocks! :)

Honestly, I just love CLs because they are so comfy and I find British shoes to be typically made of a harder leather and to have poor arch support. I will buy most mid range American brands before I would British shoes. Also, I don't tend to love the styles. Went to Nordstrom when I was back last week and bought like ten pairs. I was like a kid in a candy store!

Law School Admissions / Re: Personal Statement vs. Diversity Statement
« on: August 04, 2008, 08:22:39 AM »
When do you need to seperate your diversity statement from your personal statement? I'm an URM with a not so good GPA so my personal statement is really important. I've begun to write about some of the serious obstacles I had to overcome to ultimately obtain my college degree. My intent is to demonstrate, through my personal statement, that in spite of unbelievable odds I've been able to obtain success. I want to convey that my experiences and my my fortitude make me a great canditate for law school and the legal profession. So, do I really need a seperate diveristy statement. I don't want to submit a personal statement, a diversity statement and an addendum (explaining why my grades aren't so hot) unless all of this is necessary. Would it be o.k. to incorporate my diversity statement into the personal statement or should it be seperate?

This really depends on what the school is asking for. Some schools indicate that they will not accept addenda, diversity statements, etc., so you will need to incorporate everything you wish to say into your personal statement. Some schools will give you the option to provide a seperate diversity statement, in which case you should. It's all about following directions.

I've been visiting a pair of Christian Louboutins for a couple months now, but the thought of actually wearing them and killing them on the street precludes the purchase. Ah, maybe when I move back to the States and drive everywhere again!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Nashville- Vandy a surefire bet?
« on: August 04, 2008, 05:04:23 AM »

If, on the other hand, you thought you might want to work more nationally, then a T14 would probably be a better bet.  Vandy can get you national biglaw if you're near top of the class, but that's tough to achieve at a place like Vandy, where everyone's pretty bright and studious.  The T14 will give you national options even if you're average.

Whoa there. Last I checked, 41% of Vandy's 2007 grads placed in the NLJ250 (, ostensibly excluding people who could've, but decided to clerk instead; such numbers are probably rising, corresponding to the '06-'07-'08 --> 17, 16, 15 USNWR rankings climb, as the rising number of firms OCI'ing at Vandy indicates. Moreover, looking at this year's OCI Handbook, I think about 65-70% of this year's rising 3L's summered at Biglaw firms (can someone else back me up on this? The .pdf isn't publicly available); unless these summers committed a felony or something equivalent, it's fair to say that they'll receive offers.

Before I receive any backlash over this, I'm solely disagreeing w/ the Lind's contention that you have to be "near the top of class" to sufficiently place biglaw. If you're at the top half (and probably deeper after this year and next, especially after we slay/dismount GULC from the 14-spot--hope they're keeping their seats warm for us) and above, you're more than kosher. And even for sub-median peeps, given Vandy's lacking a class-ranking system, I'd contend that you'd remain competitive to gain biglaw interviews at the least.

Backup here.  We're going through the new recruitment handbook for OCI, which is supposed to be inclusive of everyone in the Class of '09. But there's only 182, and the class size should be around 190, so maybe they omitted JD/MBAs since they aren't actually graduating next year.  Of those 182, 158 are summering with firms this summer, and a full 116 are in the NLJ 250.  Assuming the class size is still around 190, that means 61% of them are shooting for NLJ offers for next year.  Obviously this isn't the same thing as employment information for graduates, but it's probably a better indicator of current placement than the NLJ stats for the Class of '07 (which also fared poorly percentage-wise because there were 220 in their class).  Even assuming some of them get no-offers/blank offers either because of cutbacks or their own snafus, I think we can comfortably say more than half the class will be in a position to accept an NLJ gig in '09.

And as far as regional arguments go, it's difficult to label Vanderbilt as anything besides a national school. Our primary market (Nashville) keeps less than a fifth of us, since most of us came here for the program with plans to practice elsewhere.  Taking again from where the rising 3Ls are this summer, they've got 18% in Nashville, 13% in NYC, 10% DC, 9% Atlanta, 7% Chicago, 5% Charlotte NC, 3.5% Houston, 3.5% Dallas, 3% International, and the rest scattered throughout another 13 states.  I actually think when you compare national placement with many higher-ranked schools, you'll find Vanderbilt grads are more evenly spread out across the country.

I don't just mean nashville when I'm referring to Vandy's region.  I think of Vandy as a southern/east coast school, with decent placement throughout those regions.  But it doesn't appear, for example, that there's many Vandy grads in on the West Coast, which is a pretty major region.

Vandy's national placement may compare to Cornell, or even Boalt, which tends to stay on the West Coast.  But it doesn't appear to be as national as the more national T14 schools.

Vandy's elite firm placement is not anywhere close to Boalt's. (Most studies will look into number of grads in the Vault or AmLaw ranked firms, without noting the concentration of grads at the top or bottom of that pile.) Don't know about Cornell, but I would suspect it's not in the same league with that school either.

Why would Boalt be a stretch, even with a 3.6?  You have a host of accomplishments that are uncommon (concert pianist but not a music major, fluent in four languages) and plan to add a Fullbright and the Peace Corps to them.  You're right up Boalt's alley.  If you get your numbers lined up right, the only reason not to go to Boalt is that you're going to Stanford instead, as you're right up its alley too.

Bring up your GPA, which shouldn't be hard to do in upperdivision archeology and language courses.  Nail the LSAT.   

Well, a 3.6 is towards the low end for Berkeley, as they have the highest GPA medians after HYS most years. The OP's accomplishments are impressive and he sounds like a good Berkeley candidate based on his background, but a lot would really come down to LSAT. If he's below median, it's unlikely. Usually, the low LSAT admits to Boalt have very high GPA's. Doesn't mean it's not worth applying, though. You never know what the adcoms are looking for from one year to the next. Good luck!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Nashville- Vandy a surefire bet?
« on: August 04, 2008, 03:45:06 AM »
YP? What makes you think Vandy YPs? Nothing on LSN gives any indication of this. Everybody who was WLed with LSATs of 169+ had relatively bad GPAs (two 170+ WLs were 3.57/3.63 and hardly seem to indicate a pattern). Everybody with even a decent GPA was accepted with respectable or lots of money.

I wouldn't bother with an extra addendum. Just put together a good application that shows you care.

Also, re: YP, his LSAT is not going to be above the 75th compared to the new 1Ls. His LSAT will also likely be the new median. Schools that YP don't YP median candidates. They're the school's target/reaches with $$$.

Other comments: Rusky doesn't seem to know anything. As observationalist pointed out, the people working in Nashville have ties to the area. Unless she just simply lacks clarity, either school does not get you a job there easily.

If, on the other hand, you thought you might want to work more nationally, then a T14 would probably be a better bet.  Vandy can get you national biglaw if you're near top of the class, but that's tough to achieve at a place like Vandy, where everyone's pretty bright and studious.  The T14 will give you national options even if you're average.

All indicators point to median (presumably what you mean by average) kids going nationally just fine. They have to. There aren't many jobs in the region.

I wish people would cut this T14 nonsense out.

I suppose you know I'm wrong from experience?

Well, allow me to clarify that my comment is actually from experience of interviewing with Nashville firms as a T14 student. While I've never lived in Nashville, I assure you I had no problems getting offers at Nashville firms, even though I got my first interviews through cold calls and a mail campaign rather than through OCI. Had a similar experience in Texas.

At the end of the day, regional ties matter far less to firms than pedigree. They all want prestigious law schools listed in their attorney bios, and if a candidate with no regional ties but a T14 degree is reasonably convincing that he is serious about staying in Nashville, he will have no trouble getting a job there.

Before you point out how few lawyers from T14's work in Nashville firms, consider that these statistics are not telling of how many T14 candidates were actually given offers. Obviously, there are fewer T14 candidates that want to work in Nashville, because it is a secondary market, but that does not mean that they are having trouble getting jobs there if they want them.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Law Schools Placing Well in DC
« on: August 01, 2008, 03:52:54 PM »
Just curious, what are you basing your argument on and what is your definition of placing well?

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