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Black Law Students / Re: Life As An Associate
« on: March 30, 2009, 04:09:38 AM »

Well they definitely have their pick of the litter if they want us.  Although I don't know too many people who are taking the public interest route even after being laid off.  Especially with Manhattan rent.

It's more common for grads of schools that have LRAP. Berkeley folks can get right back onto LRAP if they go into PI within 2 (maybe 3) years of graduation. Usually PIO's pay a living wage, so if you don't have loans to worry about, it might be a lifestyle downgrade, but better than nothing at all. There are so many of these laid-off associates, the market is flooded; I don't think most of them can afford to be picky.

Black Law Students / Re: Life As An Associate
« on: March 30, 2009, 03:58:28 AM »
I read somewhere that all these laid off associates are applying for "public interest" work now. Which had me thinking, if I was some non profit organization would I take one of these laid off associates over the other law students who wanted to do public interest law since the day they left law school?

I am not saying these laid of associates are bad people or anything like that. Just in general, how do you guys feel about situations like that?

Me, personally, if I was some hiring person in public interest field I will probably tell these associates kind of like that Mike Jones song "Back then they didnt want me now Im hot they all on me!!" kind of deal!!

These associates, despite all their accolades are hardly shoo-ins at public interest orgs for the very reasons you outlined. Public interest orgs want people who are dedicated to the cause, and not those who are looking to ride out the recession for a year or so. There was an article on ATL about it recently, in fact.

Black Law Students / Re: Life As An Associate
« on: February 25, 2009, 05:13:13 AM »
But, but...service!  Convenience!  Nightlife!  Getting to say you live in "the City"!

I hear you though...I just did my taxes.  ::sigh::

It would be nice if they just addressed the putrid smell of eu de garbage in the city first. I can't stand going to NYC for that reason. The place reeks, even Manhattan.

It really depends. Things tend to be more manic when I travel. Longer work days because you want to get everything done as soon as possible and get back to the office so that you can be more available for other clients. Billing travel time obviously adds a lot to the total. When I'm not traveling and when it's busy (it hasn't been in Feb), it's a pretty steady 9-9 or so, sometimes coming in for a few hours on the weekends.

business is good. dabbling in a little litigation these days to make up for the slight slump in the corporate work, but i stay busy. billed 203 last month.

i'm trying to get into Alabama with a 161 and a 2.7 (this i'll also have to edit when I am about to go on interviews) so, I don't know what your GPA is, but knowing you got into Berkeley with a sub 160 and knowing you did it without having minority status (I'm assuming you're not black or hispanic) also gives me encouragement

Ruskie is not as unique as one may think in this accomplishment. I have tried to tell people that this could be done. Many white students (as well as others, for that matter) grossly overestimate the use of AA in minority admissions, especially when it comes to black and Hispanic applicants, and they underestimate the scope and importance of "soft' factors that admissions committees take into account in their deliberations. And no efficient law school allows quotas. White students (even non-legacies) get into top schools with less-than stellar numbers every year because their overall profiles are strong enough to merit their admission, as are those of the Black and Hispanic students.

It's really disconcerting that Black or Hispanic students can work so hard to get into law school, yet, during orientation week, thier classmates and profs view them with suspicion, as though they really did not "earn" their admission. I have even read posts where people assume that the trend predates URM undergraduate education, so that URM's are presumed undeserving of their undergrad admission and/or strong grades, if they have them. I wonder if people are cognizant of the self-fulfilling prophesy this can create: because of the perceived inferiority of these students, the social stigmatization leads to a lack of, both, intangible and intangible benefits, such as shared notes, study group participation or other communal interactions, that can result in a feeling or marginalization, that may contribute to emotional stress, that may contribute to students' academic difficulties.

Notice that I said, "may contribute", because students are ultimately responsible for their own success, and most students succeed regardless. Nevertheless, marginalization can have real consequences for some otherwise brilliant, well-contributing students. Moreover, it is grossly unfair to lump Black or Hispanic 3.7+/166+ students with those who have less striking numbers, because they have, in fact, met the traditional standards.  But that observation in no way condones the stigmatization of lower-numbered students (URM or not). One can anly wonder how much better URM's law school performances would be if they could were truly "accepted".

In other words, all applicants/students need to expand and take to heart their conception(s) of "qualified", as have admissions committees; it will make them better applicants/students. The committees are not wasteful. Do you really believe they would take such mass-scale risk(s) as to admit students who had little or no chance of succeeding at their schools? They admit students because they believe those students have demonstrated, in various ways, the intellect, toughness and integrity to do well. The students with the highest numbers are often not the best law students or lawyers. Are grades and LSAT scores indicative of academic/professional potential/ability? Absolutely! But, they are not the ONLY indicators of academic/professional potential/ability, nor are they, in and of themselves, necessarily the best indicators, a key distinction in the sufficient-necessary dynamic.


This is all very true. Good post. Thanks.

Current Law Students / Re: What's the best MPRE study aid?
« on: September 24, 2008, 12:40:23 PM »
1. go to the barbri class (it was on video at my location, might be live elsewhere)

2. browse throught the book, do SOME questions.

3. don't overthink it. it's not difficult. 12 hours study time should be more than enough.

Interviewers. Email is fine.

Current Law Students / Re: What questions do YOU ask your interviewer?
« on: September 24, 2008, 07:29:18 AM »
Also, I generally ask questions that say something about myself first... especially when they ask you for your questions too early in the interview.

That is the worst. I've honestly had to say something like "well, don't let me ask all the questions and make you talk the whole time; I'm sure you've got questions for me."

I've had to do that at least twice. Once it went over ok; the other time, not so much...ugh.

But your advice about it (the non-bolded) is a better way to deal with it.

it usually means they're not interested in the candidate.

Current Law Students / Re: What questions do YOU ask your interviewer?
« on: September 24, 2008, 07:16:00 AM »
I am interviewing again for the first time in about two years.  The standard things I used to ask were:

-Is there any structured training/mentor program?

-How is work assigned?

-What is the hour requirement, if any?

-Is that billable hours or billed hours?

Any thoughts, additions, suggestions are welcomed.  Thanks.

These are important questions, but they are general and don't demonstrate that you've done reasearch about the firm. You can ask them, if you're really interested in knowing these things, but balance them out with questions that are specific to the firm and to the practice, if you have a preference.

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