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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Full Scholarship
« on: June 19, 2005, 07:40:11 AM »
I was offered full plus (they didn't say how much the plus would be) at Hofstra and full at Seton Hall and St. John's.

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54k after my scholarships at Temple.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: If you were in my shoes.....GW vs. Temple
« on: June 18, 2005, 08:40:52 AM »
Like many people have said, it really depends. I personally am going to temple because of the huge international appeal (japan specifically, as I would like to practice in international business, preferably where I could split my time between the two countries). Honestly the biggest part of the decision will always be geographics (though for some reason some recent research yielded suprising results, like four district court judges in alaska from Temple, so hey, you like it cold??), and it's obviously hard to sit down and say, "okay, I want to work here!" even before you get law school started.
And with everyone's complaints about the area... it's not that bad. Maybe it's because I just got out of four years in Newark, NJ and live north of Camden, currently the most dangerous area in America, but Temple isn't that bad, and the campus is well kept. Maybe I wouldn't want to drive at night, but hell, I can say that about most cities surrounding college campuses.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Piercings and Tattoos
« on: June 11, 2005, 05:50:21 PM »
Awesome revive.

I have two tats, a large gothic fairy on my left shoulder and the japanese symbol for "dream" on my right boob (and right after I got it, every other f-head in america decided it was cool to do asian characters, dammit). Looking to get a third on my back soon. No piercings, I'm allergic to metal.

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Actually Duke was founded in its current inception in 1924 (per the Duke Website). It went by a different name (Trinity College) when it was founded in another place in 1859. Get your facts straight lady.
Forgive me for just relying on US News' data to try and make a quick point. f-ing christ.

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By that logic, the University of Chicago shouldn't have been started in 1902. After all, Harvard, Standford, Yale, and NYU already had it covered. Ditto Cornell in 1887 or, worse yet, Duke in 1930. That is a *completely* illogical argument.

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It's not just about "having" a law school. You need money to build a campus, the buildings, hire top professors, etc. It's usually in the hundreds of millions of dollars. You also need the space. I don't know about Princeton, but Brown doesn't have the room for a law school, and prefers to focus on undergrad education anyway. They also don't have the endowment for it, although Princeton is a lot wealthier by comparison (and therefore higher in the rankings, grumble grumble).

This is exactly why, when I make my millions, I'm going to be the eccentric rich woman who goes to princeton and says, "Listen. I didn't even attend your undergrad, but I've got money. Lets say we start a law school."

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How developed New Jersey now is not necessarily the same as how it was 100-150 years ago when launching a law school was more likely to happen.

Granted. But being next to the state capitol, I would think, is enough to inspire a more localized legal need. Especially since, historically, you would be getting *less* people from NY than now when travel has become so simple.

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Princeton's location may have a lot to do with its historical lack of a law school. Legal education used to be built around the apprenticeship model, and you need practicing lawyers to have apprenticeship programs. While Boston/Cambridge and New Haven were thriving industrial centers in the late 19th century and thus generated a lot of legal work and attracted lawyers who could start apprenticeship programs and eventually law schools like "the new haven law school" (http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/study.html)--Princeton's rural location may have meant that there were few lawyers in the area taking in apprentices. Moreover, Princeton is close enough to New York that Columbia and NYU probably filled most of the need for legal education in northern New Jersey.


Here's where I definitely disagree... Princeton is a) hardly rural and b) not truly northern NJ. I live in Bordentown, 3 towns over from princeton, right on the river across from pennsy. Not only does princeton have a fairly thriving private legal practice, it borders directly on Trenton, the administrative center of NJ. There are plenty of legal firms in the area, not to mention big business (tons of pharmaceuticals, a business lawyer's dream or nightmare, depending on who you ask) and, naturally, the ever so wonderful government.
Basically, it's a vicious circle. Princeton doesn't have the exact environment one would expect for a law school, but it would acquire it if one was there. But one probably won't be there without the necessary environment.
All I'm saying is they're definitely missing a bet.

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That's exactly it. It would most likely be completely unwarranted, but the name alone would raise their rankings. Such is the fickle nature of academia.

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