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This is from my grandfather who is very weary about me going to Toledo. So weary that he called this professor and spoke to him this morning. This is his version of what was said:

This morning I spoke for approximately 40 minutes with John A. Barret ( Law Prof. at subject school ). He did his under-grad work at Amherst and his Law degree from Harvard. He was entirely candid about U. of Toledo and comparison to the other schools you are accepted at. Florida Coastal was founded by some People from U of Toledo and he sais they were not our best. In comparing Univ. of Toledo to other schools he said the following . We are about on a par with Wayne State. In Ohio he ranked Ohio State, Univ. of Cinn and Case Western ahead of U. of Toledo. He stated that a couple of years ago U of Toledo decided to downsize their enrollment and raise their entrance requirements , in order to raise the standing of their school. He strongly supports that concept. As a Prof. John told me he has the reputation of giving the two hardest exams and admitted that the reputation was correct. He made the following specific recomendations :

    Understand that Law School is nothing like undergrad work. Your Law Studies will be all consuming of your time. There will be no time for anything but study and school.


You must Graduate in the top 10% of your class. If you do so, the world is open to you and quite frankly if you don't you would probably have been better off to have not spent the money on Law School.

In the Spring of your First Year there is an oppoirtunity to try out for the "Law Review" By all means do so and be sure you make the cut. Employers are looking for two things when hiring.... Top 10% of Class and Writing for " Law Review "
     He also told me that in addition to a strong local reputation in both Ohio and Michigan, that a lot of their Grads go to Atlanta and Phoenix. These two later locations are due to some strong alums that come back every year to hire from the top 10%. He added that they don't even talk with the other 90%.

 He told me that school is now out until orientation but that he will be there all summer. He would be happy to meet you and even invited you for lunch if you would like. He is there all the time except he will be gone from this friday thru next wednesday. If you want to visit it would give you an opportunity to see the campus and get a feel for things.

I hope this info. is helpful.   

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: My chances...
« on: July 25, 2005, 12:15:03 AM »
why no toledo when you have all the other ohio schools?

Well, I bombed the LSAT.  I now have come up with my list of potential law schools.  anyone care to look them over and tell me if I am out of my mind.  I, hopefully, have a semi-good reason for not doing so good on the LSAT...I was stationed in Iraq a few months prior to taking the test.  And for all those who will say, do it again, I am about to begin my Masters will be nearly impossible. Anyways, here are my numbers...LSAT 150, UGPA 3.89, LSDAS 3.58.

Here we go...

Safety schools,
Western New England
Thomas Cooley

Target schools,
New England
U of Arkansas (Both of them)
U of Dayton
Northern Kentucky
Ohio Northern

Reach schools,
Cleveland State
Penn State
U of Akron

Any suggestions, ideas, or if you absolutely think I am out of my mind, please tell me.  Thanks

at what point can you have sex with the clients?

I wonder what percentage of LSDers have real-world work experience and what percentage go straight from college to law school.  I ask because of the prevailing sentiment here that a lawyer who works 80 hours a week is really only making half as much as anyone else on an hourly basis.  Very few white collar jobs let you get away with 40 hours every single week.  I've worked in a small engineering firm with roughly 35 employees for the past 6 years, and everyone who is in any position of significance and responsibility works a minimum of 50 hours per week, on average throughout the year.  60 hour weeks are not uncommon, especially when project deadlines are looming and things are behind schedule.  And many people have put in 70 hour weeks at some point in the past few years.  The only people at my company who get away with 40 hour weeks are low-level engineers with no desire for advancement who will be stuck in the same position with the same 2% annual raise for the rest of their lives.  Also, the clerical staff (Office manager, accountant, etc) work 40 hour weeks.  But no successful person gets away with it.  So when people here say, "$125,000 at Biglaw is really like making only $62,500 anywhere else," I call bull.  Most of our engineers work 50-60 hour weeks for $50-$75K.

It's not that working for Biglaw is hard.  It's that success of any kind is hard.     

Yea but....

The difference between 50-60 and 80 hours of work is much, much, much greater than 60 grand in my opinion. We are talking lifestyle and happiness problems with 80 hour work weeks. I want NONE of that, will have none of that, and if I never make a dollar of 60 grand as a lawyer, Ill be happy as a pig in poop.

Obviously it is all personal preference so these debates are worthless.


They were 2nd tier last year, and dropped a few slots to the top of the 3rd tier this year. However, medians for this years class are 159/3.6 up from last year 157 median. I think they'll jump back up.

I have no clue how I just got in there

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Jobs in Ann Arbor
« on: July 23, 2005, 06:47:58 PM »
The Michigan economy BLOWS! One of the reasons I am going to law school. Last I checked, unemployment was about 7% (worst in the nation). Much of that is due to the auto industry though.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: July 22, 2005, 02:25:58 PM »
I just got into Toledo today. I thought that my chances were ZERO. I get in state tuition there living in souther Michigan so it will be about half what UD was going to cost. Im really excited.

My numbers were 153 and a 2.85 from U Mich. I had a terrible start to college though and finished my last 60 credits well over a 3 point so that probably helped. I think my letters and statement were good too.

This is all just really amazing to me because I just took the LSAT in June and was expecting to not get in anywhere.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: July 21, 2005, 04:57:49 PM »
Mercy is right downtown so parking is at a premium.

Got into Florida Coastal today. WOO HOO! I can't justify spending that much money though to go to a school that similar if not worse in terms of quality.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: July 20, 2005, 08:05:08 PM »
Got my waitlist letter today. Guess now all I can do is wait and hope.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: June 30, 2005, 08:59:22 PM »

How long does it take to complete the part time program at UD?  If you wanted to transfer, could you just take the additional credits to get you up to full time level in the summer before you would start at the new school?  Are you sure you want to live downtown anyway?  I'm not sure but I remember hearing Wayne was in a more liveable part of the city than UD.  Do they provide housing? 

4 years.
no, becuase property is a 1 year course.
yes, i like downtown detroit and housing options nearby are nice.
no, but you can get deals by being a student at nearby complexes.

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