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at what point can you have sex with the clients?

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I wonder what percentage of LSDers have real-world work experience and what percentage go straight from college to law school.  I ask because of the prevailing sentiment here that a lawyer who works 80 hours a week is really only making half as much as anyone else on an hourly basis.  Very few white collar jobs let you get away with 40 hours every single week.  I've worked in a small engineering firm with roughly 35 employees for the past 6 years, and everyone who is in any position of significance and responsibility works a minimum of 50 hours per week, on average throughout the year.  60 hour weeks are not uncommon, especially when project deadlines are looming and things are behind schedule.  And many people have put in 70 hour weeks at some point in the past few years.  The only people at my company who get away with 40 hour weeks are low-level engineers with no desire for advancement who will be stuck in the same position with the same 2% annual raise for the rest of their lives.  Also, the clerical staff (Office manager, accountant, etc) work 40 hour weeks.  But no successful person gets away with it.  So when people here say, "$125,000 at Biglaw is really like making only $62,500 anywhere else," I call bull.  Most of our engineers work 50-60 hour weeks for $50-$75K.

It's not that working for Biglaw is hard.  It's that success of any kind is hard.     

Yea but....

The difference between 50-60 and 80 hours of work is much, much, much greater than 60 grand in my opinion. We are talking lifestyle and happiness problems with 80 hour work weeks. I want NONE of that, will have none of that, and if I never make a dollar of 60 grand as a lawyer, Ill be happy as a pig in poop.

Obviously it is all personal preference so these debates are worthless.

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Toledo.

They were 2nd tier last year, and dropped a few slots to the top of the 3rd tier this year. However, medians for this years class are 159/3.6 up from last year 157 median. I think they'll jump back up.

I have no clue how I just got in there

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Jobs in Ann Arbor
« on: July 23, 2005, 09:47:58 PM »
The Michigan economy BLOWS! One of the reasons I am going to law school. Last I checked, unemployment was about 7% (worst in the nation). Much of that is due to the auto industry though.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: July 22, 2005, 05:25:58 PM »
I just got into Toledo today. I thought that my chances were ZERO. I get in state tuition there living in souther Michigan so it will be about half what UD was going to cost. Im really excited.

My numbers were 153 and a 2.85 from U Mich. I had a terrible start to college though and finished my last 60 credits well over a 3 point so that probably helped. I think my letters and statement were good too.

This is all just really amazing to me because I just took the LSAT in June and was expecting to not get in anywhere.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: July 21, 2005, 07:57:49 PM »
Mercy is right downtown so parking is at a premium.

Got into Florida Coastal today. WOO HOO! I can't justify spending that much money though to go to a school that similar if not worse in terms of quality.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: July 20, 2005, 11:05:08 PM »
Got my waitlist letter today. Guess now all I can do is wait and hope.


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Where should I go next fall? / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: June 30, 2005, 11:59:22 PM »


How long does it take to complete the part time program at UD?  If you wanted to transfer, could you just take the additional credits to get you up to full time level in the summer before you would start at the new school?  Are you sure you want to live downtown anyway?  I'm not sure but I remember hearing Wayne was in a more liveable part of the city than UD.  Do they provide housing? 

4 years.
no, becuase property is a 1 year course.
yes, i like downtown detroit and housing options nearby are nice.
no, but you can get deals by being a student at nearby complexes.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: June 30, 2005, 10:48:33 PM »
I went down there today and met with an admissions person. It wasn't dean Caprio. They were very helpful and honest and answered all of my questions. Im bummed out because they said that they are at capacity now and that 40 are on the waitlist. She made it sound like I will be accepted, but then placed at the end of the waitlist (no chance). However, I can opt to do the part time evening program for one year. It doesnt sound like too bad of a deal because it is 12 credits each semester vs 15. The only difference is that you do not take property law whcih is a 6 credit year-long class.


My problem with doing the part time are as follows, please feel free to address them with your thoughts:

1)At the end of the year if I want to transfer, not many schools will like that I have only taken 24 credits.
2)If I transfer into the full time day program, I will be basically entering a new school. I will probably not know any of the students, all students that have gotten close during 1L. This may or may not be a problem.
3)Once I transfer to the day time I will then have to take property law 2L and then two (3) credit classes over the summer. In doing so, that will wipe out an entire summer of employment opportunities and possible debt reduction. If I don't make up the credits and continue on the day track it will be pointless because at the end of three years, Ill still have another 6 credits to make up.
4)Only taking 12 credits will not jusitify the expense of living on my own downtown and I will be forced to live with my parents 15 miles north of the city. Im not sure how easy it will be to focus at home.

As far as the school goes, I liked it a lot. She mentioned that they hope to be breaking ground on the new site this winter. The current building does seem a bit tired, but it wasnt that bad at all.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: June 29, 2005, 10:38:07 PM »
Im going downtown tomorrow to see the school. The people in the office there have been great. It really sounds like this lady is meeting with only me tomorrow to show me around and answer questions. They deal with their applicants on such a personal level, which is so important in my opinion.

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