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Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD vs. U of Arizona
« on: June 10, 2007, 01:39:20 AM »
i'm not sure by what you mean, exactly, by "rigorous academic experience" but if it's what i think you mean (namely, quality of the education and faculty), this is pretty much why 0L advice is often...bad...they often fail to take into account anything but us news...if you're talking faculty, usd (in the only place i know of that ranks them) ranks i think 22 whereas arizona is 40 (according to leiter) and i can say from personal experience that the faculty at usd is, in fact, awesome...is it better than az? no clue, i've not had az profs...but if u're basing it on rankings, then yes, they're better...there are obvious pros and cons of both schools and i think vap sums up the pros of az pretty well...generally it was a good post...on az...where it falls apart is the summary...he (she?) says you'll probably get a better "academic experience" going to az, but doesn't provide any basis for comparison, only the pros of az...i don't kno much about az, so i'm not claiming which one is going to provide the better academic experience...i just fail to see how any of what was listed relates to "academic experience"...

Sno: I think you missed where I said...

Summary:
I doubt you'll get a better "academic experience" going to Arizona over USD.  Focus more on the (reliable) employment statistics. 

I also quoted "academic experience" because I agree with you - not really really sure what the OP means by that and why it's important.  Every law school is going to have talented professors, brilliant professors, and bad professors (sometimes all three at once).  I think if someone is mainly seeking rigorous academic experience, they should get a Ph.D instead of JD/MD/MBA/etc.

hahaha...yea...i tend to misread things i read on the internet since i usually glance rather than read... :P :D

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD vs. U of Arizona
« on: June 09, 2007, 06:40:30 PM »
i'm not sure by what you mean, exactly, by "rigorous academic experience" but if it's what i think you mean (namely, quality of the education and faculty), this is pretty much why 0L advice is often...bad...they often fail to take into account anything but us news...if you're talking faculty, usd (in the only place i know of that ranks them) ranks i think 22 whereas arizona is 40 (according to leiter) and i can say from personal experience that the faculty at usd is, in fact, awesome...is it better than az? no clue, i've not had az profs...but if u're basing it on rankings, then yes, they're better...there are obvious pros and cons of both schools and i think vap sums up the pros of az pretty well...generally it was a good post...on az...where it falls apart is the summary...he (she?) says you'll probably get a better "academic experience" going to az, but doesn't provide any basis for comparison, only the pros of az...i don't kno much about az, so i'm not claiming which one is going to provide the better academic experience...i just fail to see how any of what was listed relates to "academic experience"...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Davis or Loyola (in Los Angeles)??
« on: June 07, 2007, 03:40:39 AM »
That's certainly not what I said, dear.

you certainly didn't say that...but what you did say is as good as that...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Davis or Loyola (in Los Angeles)??
« on: June 06, 2007, 04:36:04 AM »
I think it's close to desert weather only because there are large temperature swings in one day (days where the low is 40 and the high 93), but obviously it's nothing like the Sahara. 

kinda what i meant

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Davis or Loyola (in Los Angeles)??
« on: June 05, 2007, 05:44:05 PM »
There is so much worthless and/or incorrect information in this thread its nauseating.

such a claim should usually be backed up with something more than "you're wrong"

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Davis or Loyola (in Los Angeles)??
« on: June 05, 2007, 05:40:50 PM »


I only made 1 comment about how well Davis travels - IF she graduates at the top of her class, she'll be able to find a job anywhere in California, and maybe anywhere in the country.  If she does mediocore, like I said, Sacramento is the best she can do.  That's not overestimating, that's pretty much what everyone who goes to UC Davis has told me, and what their employment data suggests.  But then again, I'm just a 0L who doesn't know anything.

As for Davis being in the desert - well, no, geographically it's not a desert, but the weather is basically desert weather, so I can see how someone from the coast would feel uncomfortable there.


And for the record, not one time have I even mentioned in this thread that Davis is RANKED higher. 

but my point is that that's somewhat true of loyola also

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Davis or Loyola (in Los Angeles)??
« on: June 05, 2007, 05:39:24 PM »
i think goose seriously overestimates how well davis travels...it's a good school, don't get me wrong...still regional...if you want to be in socal, loyola...i'm not a spoiled brat valley girl and i didn't even apply to davis because of its location...quite simply, i don't like the desert...you may be ok with it, i don't like it...

Desert?  It doesn't look like you even know where Davis is.

do you know where it is?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Davis or Loyola (in Los Angeles)??
« on: June 05, 2007, 05:38:51 PM »

Long story short, if you don't care about money and want to stay in LA for a very long time then go to Loyola. If you do care about minimizing debt and maximizing job prospects then go to UC Davis. Done. 8)

NO! BAD! not wat i said  :P...maybe true to some extent, but i think u completely missed my point about how the market works...

I wasn't giving him the breakdown of what you said. I was giving him the pro's and con's that we've collectively come up with. You've made some points and others, including myself, have made other points. I was bundling them all into two sentences. In regards to how the market works, I am aware that Loyola will most likely do better in Los Angeles than UC Davis. On the other hand, UC Davis will do better everywhere else leaving Loyola in the dust. If you want to talk about schools being regional, Loyola's region is one large city while UC Davis's region is all of California.

not really...outside nor cal...u'll likely need to network or get lucky...which is true of loyola if u try to go to the bay from there

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Davis or Loyola (in Los Angeles)??
« on: June 05, 2007, 05:43:39 AM »

Long story short, if you don't care about money and want to stay in LA for a very long time then go to Loyola. If you do care about minimizing debt and maximizing job prospects then go to UC Davis. Done. 8)

NO! BAD! not wat i said  :P...maybe true to some extent, but i think u completely missed my point about how the market works...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Davis or Loyola (in Los Angeles)??
« on: June 05, 2007, 03:55:55 AM »
i think goose seriously overestimates how well davis travels...it's a good school, don't get me wrong...still regional...if you want to be in socal, loyola...i'm not a spoiled brat valley girl and i didn't even apply to davis because of its location...quite simply, i don't like the desert...you may be ok with it, i don't like it...there are, however, several considerations which favor davis...first and foremost, cost...as far as how far each degree travels...seriously...don't EVER think that us news rankings will make that big of a difference between a mid/low T1 and a high T2 in terms of employment...except MAYBE for biglaw (and i stress maybe)...outside biglaw, it's networking and employer experience with alumni that counts...so in la, who do the attorneys have more experience working with? loyola or davis? which school will make it easier for you to network from? loyola or davis? i think the answer is obvious...if you are dead set on la, don't care much for the more relaxed environment, aren't as worried about the money, go to loyola...otherwise davis is probably the better choice...just prioritize what's important to you and see which school would be better...if staying in la is #1 by a ridiculous margin, then go to loyola, no question...0Ls believe way too much in rank...that's not how the market works...it does to some extent, but nowhere near the extent most 0Ls believe...

as far as loyola2L, don't pay any attention to that...first off, it's the experience of ONE student...who sounds bitter...and biased...and if i remember correctly, was dead set on biglaw so just wasn't being super realistic with their expectations going in to school...

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