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Law School Admissions / Re: Should I disclose speeding tickets?
« on: June 29, 2007, 10:30:02 AM »
It's not that I mind disclosing the traffic violations, it's just that I would rather not show them past judgement errors if it isn't required. I have plenty of time to consider it and gather information, so I'm not too concerned.

well, my approach when i was applying was just simply "is this a violation the school is actually looking for when they ask for the disclosure based on the way the disclosure request was written?"...

don't worry about disclosing it...a speeding ticket, imo, is hardly a major judgment error...yes, you may have other things in your past that make you questionable, but i don't think a speeding ticket will make it worse...i mean, doctors, lawyers and judges get speeding tickets...i understand the notion of not wanting to show past judgment errors, but if the school's asking for it and you choose not to disclose, this rather minor past judgment error just became a present judgment error...if they find out, however unlikely, you won't be seen as "he's learned his lesson" you'll be seen as "he hasn't learned a thing and is still trying to cover his ass"

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Law School Admissions / Re: Should I disclose speeding tickets?
« on: June 29, 2007, 10:21:01 AM »
lying on bar application would be different from lying on app.

it is, i agree, but the point is that a small situation could be made much worse by a lie/cover up

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As a 3L, I can tell you the biggest flaws in this particular dilemma involve the perceptions regarding PI law.  If you are not successful in school or your school has a less than stellar reputation, you aren't just going to get the PI job of your dreams.  Having no interest in BIGLAW is great, but the idea that Y/H/S grads (or just plain higher ranked schools' grads) don't compete for those jobs is ridiculous.  The cache of your degree in your first job search matters in ALL fields, public and private.  Who cares if you have no debt, if your resume is never read by the recruiter at the job of your dreams because there are other numerically successful students from more highly regarded schools who will get the initial interviews?

i disagree with this...based on my assumption about op's position...what you say is true if you're looking for a job where there are a lot of people competing for them from many schools, but based on the op saying that there's really only 1 t3 that places well (and the fact that they were able to get into a t1) i'm assuming that the t3 is one of the few schools in that state...by that i mean 2 or 3, possibly even the only one...if there are few schools in the state, then it's probably not a state with a huge legal market just drawing grads from all over to move there...thus most of the attorneys in the state probably went to a local, in-state school...if that's the case, then the significance of that t1 degree just went down significantly...many employers probably graduated from the school op is thinking about and they probably won't say "i'm not going to interview this guy, that school sucked"...and if they didn't go to that school, i'm sure they have a lot of experience working with alums from that school and i'll assume they're not bad experiences...since i don't know of any one school where the alums are so bad that people won't hire new alums...a lot of assumptions, i know, but i think they're all fair

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here's the thing...even if he decides on biglaw, t1 doesn't automatically = biglaw...u have to do well too...additionally, as i mentioned earlier (in this post i think), you may change your mind about what field you want to work in, but you probably won't suddenly decide you want to work 70 hours a week...and between having little debt and having to rely on LRAP, i'll take little debt any day...if you know you're staying in a certain area and aren't interested in biglaw, take the money and run...rankings typically don't mean as much to a small market where most of the attorneys went to local schools...

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Law School Admissions / Re: Should I disclose speeding tickets?
« on: June 28, 2007, 03:29:53 PM »
I have a hard time believing C&F would care at all if you failed to put on your LS app that you had a few speeding tickets.

If they brought it up, you could just tell them that you did not think they were considtered criminal offenses at the time.

it's not the violation that's going to be an issue...it's covering it up that may be...true u can claim you didn't know it was a criminal offense...at best they believe you and think you're stupid and admit you to the bar...at worst they think you're lying and still trying to cover it up and don't admit you...better bet, don't bother lying...it's so unlikely to affect your admission to the bar, but lying about it may...e.g. Attorney Grievance Comm'n v. Myers, 635 A.2d 1315 (Md. 1994), the attorney was disbarred for lying on his bar application about traffic tickets even though the tickets themselves wouldn't have justified denial of admission...lesson? just disclose it, if not disclosing is going to bite you on the ass, you probably won't know until you've already spent $150k and 3 years of your life

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don't worry about it...it's a civil matter and i've yet to see an application package asking you to disclose civil matters...only worry about it if you end up getting charged with a hit and run or something

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The less prestigious degree and the big debt load both do the same thing: they reduce the number of opportunities you have.  Both close some doors, while the lack of debt or the prestigious degree open a lot of other ones.  Law students just need to be cognizant of that.  I think a lot of people have preconceived notions about this, and don't recognize that it's always going to be a trade off.

excellent post

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The less prestigious degree and the big debt load both do the same thing: they reduce the number of opportunities you have.  Both close some doors, while the lack of debt or the prestigious degree open a lot of other ones.  Law students just need to be cognizant of that.  I think a lot of people have preconceived notions about this, and don't recognize that it's always going to be a trade off.

In that case, I'm very lucky to have received my biggest scholarship from my best acceptance in my region of the country. In any event, as someone once put it on this site or another; if you choose the school with more prestige you'll be kicking yourself for the next ten years every time you write out that check for the student loans but if you choose the lesser school, you'll be kicking yourself for the rest of your life for passing up an excellent opportunity. I'm not saying that this will always occur but it most likely will and it does seem worthwhile to sacrifice ten years of pay for a lifetime of rewards. Right now you may be thinking about saving a few thousand dollars over the next three years but over the life of your career you're going to lose money if you attend that T3. You stated yourself that this T1 in another state does well in your state. Why do you think that's the case? It's probably not because the T3 in your state isn't producing enough attorneys. Think on that.

actually, imo, what school you go to really only affects your income for your first job or 2...you can come from harvard but if you don't win a single case before you take on subsequent jobs, you'll probably have a hard time getting these subsequent jobs...if you win most of your cases and you went to cooley, you'll likely have an easier time getting subsequent jobs than the guy who went to harvard that can't win a case if their life depended on it...after the first couple of jobs, work experience is probably a lot more important than where you went to school...remember, even TJ grads become judges...

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Law School Admissions / Re: Should I disclose speeding tickets?
« on: June 28, 2007, 01:00:49 AM »

I think he was joking buddy  ;D ...and your reasoning is a bit flawed there.  As for the original question, I would ask the admissions office anonymously, and do whatever they say.

really? where's the flaw? i mean, i can see it's sort of a jumping to conclusions thing...but i didn't mean it in a it has zero effect kinda thing...i meant his whole 10 mph over the limit = cooley is blowing it out of proportions...but yea, now that i read that post again, i think u're right...sarcasm doesn't transfer well when being read  :P :D

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i think everything you said is accurate...except where you assume doing well at a T3 = transferring to a T1...

honestly, i think most people have an aversion to biglaw because of the hours...normally, i say say don't assume you know what you want to do before you go to law school...but i think it's different with people who don't think they want to do biglaw...i mean, i fail to see how any amount of schooling will suddenly make you willing/want to work 70 hours a week...assuming that's why you didn't want biglaw in the first place...

in your case, if you're certain you want to be in the state and don't want biglaw, then go ahead and take the money...just my .02

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