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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Southwestern vs. La Verne $$$
« on: July 12, 2007, 11:56:29 AM »
southwestern...it's not a great school, but it's much better than la verne...la verne lacks a lot of what you're looking for in a lower tiered school, namely steady aba accreditation and an alumni base to help you get a job once you're out of school...southwestern alums *may* struggle, but even the top of their class should be able to find work without too much effort...i'm not sure we can say even that about la verne...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Loyola .. Lets talk
« on: July 10, 2007, 05:45:22 PM »
there's a few considerations here...first i would say the cost...davis is public so it's cheaper for you to go there unless you have a scholarship...i think that would probably be enough to consider davis over loyola (on top of the rank/rep)...but if you're dead set on staying in LA, imo, going to loyola will not disadvantage you any relative to going to davis...if you're not sure or don't care where you want to be, davis is probably the better option...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Davis or Loyola (in Los Angeles)??
« on: July 09, 2007, 08:29:08 PM »
i'd say davis...if you're "pretty sure" then you're not 100% certain you want to be in la and that's really the only advantage that loyola has over davis (assuming you don't mind the location...i personally didn't even apply to davis cuz of location)...if you're not 100% sure u want to be in la, davis is less regional than loyola...and it's cheaper (assuming no $ from loyola and if there's $ you can keep it)...

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Law School Applications / Re: Low Score, High Hopes
« on: July 07, 2007, 01:55:36 PM »
UF, you may know basic probability, but you're still a n008, and don't realize that the very fact that law school admissions may be independent is what validates my argument.

The probability of getting heads on any single toss is 50%. The probability of getting heads at least once out of ten tries is 99.9%.

Likewise, if the probability of getting into a school is 10%, then the probability of getting into at least one such school out of 20 tries is 88%.

Now, piggly wiggly is trying to argue that law school admission is DEPENDENT, but has failed to give any convincing reason why that is the case in this situation.

Again, to make this clear to the probability newbs out there, if law school admissions are INDEPENDENT, then my argument is correct. piggly wiggly argues that they are DEPENDENT, but has yet to demonstrate why that should be the case here.

i agree with you...the odds of any coin flip is 50/50, but the odds of 10 heads in a row is close to 0%...but the 10th flip is still 50/50...i think that's the difference in the 2 sides here...one's looking at each application separately whereas others are looking at the apps as a whole...that said...you can't really believe that admissions are independent can you??? i mean, at the very least it's dependent on lsat and gpa...i mean, yes, the more schools you apply to the better odds you have at getting in to at least one of them...but someone with a 145 lsat can apply to all the t1/t2 schools there are, but are the near certain to get into at least 1 just because they applied to all these schools? no, that lsat score is just too low to get in...not changing the odds much even as a whole...so to say that you're averaging 10% but if you apply to enough schools you're almost certain to get into one i think is, imo, rather absurd...better chance? yes...near certainty (88%)? i don't think so...

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Law School Rankings / Re: Will Hastings overtake Davis in 2009?
« on: July 06, 2007, 03:22:30 AM »
i'm just really curious why anyone would think that anyone on this board is actually qualified to give an answer to this question...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: URGENT!! Loyola vs. USD
« on: July 05, 2007, 12:02:20 PM »
Top 10% at Loyola will be considered on par with the top 15-20% at UCLA or USC.

I also need to call Cheng out on this statement. This might be a new tier 2 propaganda technique, as in "sure only top 10% get firms here, but even at USC only top 15% get them." Cheng might have heard this from his school's admin, and is now trumpeting it.

The numbers say otherwise.

The 2005 75th%, 50% and 25% percentile private practice salaries for USC were: $110,000, $125,000 and $125,000.

The 2005 75th%, 50% and 25% percentile private practice salaries for Loyola were: $63,000, $70,000 and $115,000.

So as you can see, the bottom 75% of private sector graduates at USC are getting the same jobs as Loyola's top 25% private sector graduates.


hey 0L, work on your argument skills before you start law school...his claim was in regards to top 10% at Loyola compared to top 15-20% at sc/ucla...he didn't say "only" top 15% at SC gets biglaw, he just said that they're considered on par...i saw no claim regarding the sc class outside the top 15-20%...what you say is (i assume accurate numbers) true, but it's outside the scope of his claim...he wasn't talking about top 25% at loyola compared to the 75th percentile at usc...and top 10% at a t2 has A LOT more options than top 25% at a t2 so yes, if you're comparing top 25% then the numbers will drop off quite a bit...so basically, if they did offer numbers for the top 10% at Loyola, it's probably $125k...i don't get wat you're calling him out on...you have nothing that actually proves an inconsistency, only an argument that misses the point he was making

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Law School Applications / Re: Should I disclose speeding tickets?
« on: July 03, 2007, 01:13:23 PM »
yea, a lot of people think that schools will look on that poorly and not let you in, but i think all they're looking for is "if we let them in and they graduate, can they be admitted to the bar?" if not, then letting you in is basically wasting a spot so then they won't let u in...but a couple of ordinary speeding tickets will not affect your being admitted to the bar

edit: and i can't believe this came back...and i can't believe i bit...sigh, it's wat happens when u're in class and not paying attention...

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First off, why the huge discrepancy between your degree and LSAC GPA?

Second, are you in-state in California?  this would make a big difference for UCLA.

Third, I don't think you are any where near as big of a longshot at Fordham and USC as people here seem to be alluding to.

Fourth, you should NOT focus your school search on specific cities just because they are good cities for entertainment.  What is important is that you go to the best school you can get into.  I really can't see justifying going to Loyola over GW or something like that.  You will need to break into a big firm to do entertainment law, so why not give yourself the best shot to do that.
There are plenty of other schools with entertainment law concentrations.  Vandy would be a reach for you, but not out of the question.  But in general I recommend being much more meticulous with your school search.

or you go to a school in an entertainment city and hope to make connections...big law isn't the only way...

0Ls don't really know this yet, but the most important thing isn't always going to the best school you get into...first there are regional concerns, "best" school is about as ambiguous a term as you can get...

edit: oh, i do agree though, you shouldn't limit yourself to just the 2 cities...you should consider every school and compare them against each other to determine the best one for you...

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Law School Applications / Re: Low Score, High Hopes
« on: July 02, 2007, 10:21:28 PM »
i'm gonna say not really...155 is already their 25th percentile and the difference between a 148 and a 155 on the lsat is HUGE

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Law School Applications / Re: Options - advice please :)
« on: July 02, 2007, 10:20:09 PM »
the bottom t1/2 is a HUGE difference...but i'm going to say without a retake you're probably looking at t3...i have a friend who got into and graduated from southwestern with pretty similar numbers...but this was about 4 years ago that she got in...so things might have changed, but i doubt THAT much...

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