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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Southwestern vs. La Verne $$$
« on: July 16, 2007, 07:42:58 PM »
i'd still worry about the aba accreditation...and there's no way to know if the school used any "tricks" to get their employment numbers up...they may not have...but we don't know...i think the biggest issue really is the aba accreditation though...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Southwestern vs. La Verne $$$
« on: July 12, 2007, 03:52:28 PM »
it is a steep price for a t3 school...but if u can't find work coming out of la verne, that degree is worthless to you...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Southwestern vs. La Verne $$$
« on: July 12, 2007, 03:08:01 PM »
normally i follow your train of thought (for example, i think it's stupid to pick loyola over, say, pepperdine if you have to pay $20k a year more for loyola) but the problem here is la's lacking in rep, alumni and solid aba accreditation...these, imo, are HUGE factors...lack of rep and alum may make it rather difficult for you to get a job post grad and the aba accreditation just doesn't stand on enough ground's the same reason people tend to have an aversion to chapman, except chapman's been around longer and is quite a bit more established than la verne...if la verne is your only option, i can't say it's an awful one, but it's not...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Southwestern vs. La Verne $$$
« on: July 12, 2007, 09:56:29 AM »'s not a great school, but it's much better than la verne lacks a lot of what you're looking for in a lower tiered school, namely steady aba accreditation and an alumni base to help you get a job once you're out of school...southwestern alums *may* struggle, but even the top of their class should be able to find work without too much effort...i'm not sure we can say even that about la verne...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Loyola .. Lets talk
« on: July 10, 2007, 03:45:22 PM »
there's a few considerations here...first i would say the cost...davis is public so it's cheaper for you to go there unless you have a scholarship...i think that would probably be enough to consider davis over loyola (on top of the rank/rep)...but if you're dead set on staying in LA, imo, going to loyola will not disadvantage you any relative to going to davis...if you're not sure or don't care where you want to be, davis is probably the better option...

i'd say davis...if you're "pretty sure" then you're not 100% certain you want to be in la and that's really the only advantage that loyola has over davis (assuming you don't mind the location...i personally didn't even apply to davis cuz of location)...if you're not 100% sure u want to be in la, davis is less regional than loyola...and it's cheaper (assuming no $ from loyola and if there's $ you can keep it)...

Law School Admissions / Re: Low Score, High Hopes
« on: July 07, 2007, 11:55:36 AM »
UF, you may know basic probability, but you're still a n008, and don't realize that the very fact that law school admissions may be independent is what validates my argument.

The probability of getting heads on any single toss is 50%. The probability of getting heads at least once out of ten tries is 99.9%.

Likewise, if the probability of getting into a school is 10%, then the probability of getting into at least one such school out of 20 tries is 88%.

Now, piggly wiggly is trying to argue that law school admission is DEPENDENT, but has failed to give any convincing reason why that is the case in this situation.

Again, to make this clear to the probability newbs out there, if law school admissions are INDEPENDENT, then my argument is correct. piggly wiggly argues that they are DEPENDENT, but has yet to demonstrate why that should be the case here.

i agree with you...the odds of any coin flip is 50/50, but the odds of 10 heads in a row is close to 0%...but the 10th flip is still 50/50...i think that's the difference in the 2 sides's looking at each application separately whereas others are looking at the apps as a whole...that can't really believe that admissions are independent can you??? i mean, at the very least it's dependent on lsat and gpa...i mean, yes, the more schools you apply to the better odds you have at getting in to at least one of them...but someone with a 145 lsat can apply to all the t1/t2 schools there are, but are the near certain to get into at least 1 just because they applied to all these schools? no, that lsat score is just too low to get in...not changing the odds much even as a to say that you're averaging 10% but if you apply to enough schools you're almost certain to get into one i think is, imo, rather absurd...better chance? yes...near certainty (88%)? i don't think so...

i'm just really curious why anyone would think that anyone on this board is actually qualified to give an answer to this question...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: URGENT!! Loyola vs. USD
« on: July 05, 2007, 10:02:20 AM »
Top 10% at Loyola will be considered on par with the top 15-20% at UCLA or USC.

I also need to call Cheng out on this statement. This might be a new tier 2 propaganda technique, as in "sure only top 10% get firms here, but even at USC only top 15% get them." Cheng might have heard this from his school's admin, and is now trumpeting it.

The numbers say otherwise.

The 2005 75th%, 50% and 25% percentile private practice salaries for USC were: $110,000, $125,000 and $125,000.

The 2005 75th%, 50% and 25% percentile private practice salaries for Loyola were: $63,000, $70,000 and $115,000.

So as you can see, the bottom 75% of private sector graduates at USC are getting the same jobs as Loyola's top 25% private sector graduates.

hey 0L, work on your argument skills before you start law school...his claim was in regards to top 10% at Loyola compared to top 15-20% at sc/ucla...he didn't say "only" top 15% at SC gets biglaw, he just said that they're considered on par...i saw no claim regarding the sc class outside the top 15-20%...what you say is (i assume accurate numbers) true, but it's outside the scope of his claim...he wasn't talking about top 25% at loyola compared to the 75th percentile at usc...and top 10% at a t2 has A LOT more options than top 25% at a t2 so yes, if you're comparing top 25% then the numbers will drop off quite a basically, if they did offer numbers for the top 10% at Loyola, it's probably $125k...i don't get wat you're calling him out have nothing that actually proves an inconsistency, only an argument that misses the point he was making

Law School Admissions / Re: Should I disclose speeding tickets?
« on: July 03, 2007, 11:13:23 AM »
yea, a lot of people think that schools will look on that poorly and not let you in, but i think all they're looking for is "if we let them in and they graduate, can they be admitted to the bar?" if not, then letting you in is basically wasting a spot so then they won't let u in...but a couple of ordinary speeding tickets will not affect your being admitted to the bar

edit: and i can't believe this came back...and i can't believe i bit...sigh, it's wat happens when u're in class and not paying attention...

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