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Law School Applications / Re: Character and Fitness
« on: July 31, 2007, 11:37:14 PM »
my theory is that if there's no chance you'll be admitted to the bar in the state the law school is in, then they won't let u in...if they let u in, u at least have a fighting chance...why admit someone to a law school when you know they can't be a lawyer? yea yea, tuition $, but let's face it, plenty of people who can be admitted will gladly pay the tuition they would miss out on by not admitting you...

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i thought ivy briefs was much more similar to my experience than one l

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Law School Applications / Re: Character and Fitness
« on: July 28, 2007, 01:48:30 AM »
based on the little info we have, my guess is you'll be fine...to quote the barbri book for pr (i happen to be studying for my final and the mpre right now) "To cause disqualification of an applicant, the crime in question must involve moral turpitude, such as a crime involving intentional dishonesty for the purpose of personal gain (e.g., forgery, bribery, theft, perjury, robbery, extortion) or a crime involving violence (e.g., murder, rape, mayhem). The nature of the offense and the motivation of the violator are also factors in determining whether moral turpitude exists." but as they said, it depends on the individual case; it just doesn't sound like an auto non-admit to me...and yes, only the charge really matters...the classification (as a felony or misdemeanor) doesn't matter...even the conviction *shouldn't* matter as just a charge is enough..but i'm sure a conviction is BAD...i think what they mean when they say "just the charge is enough" is just if you're acquitted, that doesn't automatically mean they won't consider it...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD vs Loyola
« on: July 25, 2007, 11:05:56 PM »
I just finished my first year at Loyola and here is my take on this issue:

Any city you go to, you are going to have to compete with the T14 schools because they can pretty much secure a job in any market, INCLUDING San Diego and Los Angeles.  Thus, just because you go to the best ranked school in the city, it doesnt mean that you have first priority when it comes to BIG LAW jobs (again you have to compete with the T14 schools). Now, aside from the T14 schools, rankings dont really matter.  What matters is the reputation of the school.  Obviously a T2 school is going to have a much better rep than a T4 school.  And the same goes for the region.  LA firms will hire Loyola grads over USD grads b/c there are simply more Loyola grads at LA firms.  I'm sure the same goes for SD firms and USD. 

If you want to live in SD, go to USD.  If you want to live in LA, go to Loyola.  But keep in mind, you probably need to finish in at least top 15% at each school to secure yourself a BIGLAW opportunity.  Otherwise, you're on your own.

My advice to all incoming 1L's: you dont have to take/buy LEEWS or study before school starts, all you have to do is keep up with your outlining, use old outlines (from the same teacher) to fill in holes in your outline, and supplemental materials help.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL



titcr

and what's up mu? long time...how goes it?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: USD vs Loyola
« on: July 23, 2007, 03:13:54 AM »
do you perfer la or sd?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Loyola LA vs American U.
« on: July 19, 2007, 03:51:13 AM »
the more i read these posts, the more i think that MANY on this board have either never gotten a raise or perhaps never even heard of one as it seems that they all assume what you make your first year is what you'll make the rest of your life...

What you start out making will affect your future earnings.  I'll dig up a link later if I have time, but I remember reading in a newspaper about a study showing that people who got jobs during an economic downturn (and started at a lower rate as a result) would see their earnings grow more slowly than someone who started out when times were good.

For those willing to go out on their own and build a practice, I think this may not be true.  If you're willing to start your own firm, your earnings depend on you.  But if you just want to work for a firm, I think starting salary does matter.

i agree with you here...i didn't mean to imply that low salary means nothing for your future, but i doubt that too many people who come out of law school will truly have THAT much trouble paying their school debts and end up having to live like a homeless person the rest of their lives

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Loyola LA vs American U.
« on: July 18, 2007, 03:52:12 AM »
the more i read these posts, the more i think that MANY on this board have either never gotten a raise or perhaps never even heard of one as it seems that they all assume what you make your first year is what you'll make the rest of your life...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Southwestern vs. La Verne $$$
« on: July 16, 2007, 09:42:58 PM »
i'd still worry about the aba accreditation...and there's no way to know if the school used any "tricks" to get their employment numbers up...they may not have...but we don't know...i think the biggest issue really is the aba accreditation though...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Southwestern vs. La Verne $$$
« on: July 12, 2007, 05:52:28 PM »
it is a steep price for a t3 school...but if u can't find work coming out of la verne, that degree is worthless to you...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Southwestern vs. La Verne $$$
« on: July 12, 2007, 05:08:01 PM »
normally i follow your train of thought (for example, i think it's stupid to pick loyola over, say, pepperdine if you have to pay $20k a year more for loyola) but the problem here is la verne...it's lacking in rep, alumni and solid aba accreditation...these, imo, are HUGE factors...lack of rep and alum may make it rather difficult for you to get a job post grad and the aba accreditation just doesn't stand on enough ground yet...it's the same reason people tend to have an aversion to chapman, except chapman's been around longer and is quite a bit more established than la verne...if la verne is your only option, i can't say it's an awful one, but it's not...

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