« on: January 28, 2007, 10:55:42 PM »
why you hatin' on Tom?
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« on: January 28, 2007, 07:32:57 PM »
NOW you want me to say something?
Seems most has already been said. But, as an overall response to this thread, I would say that school, journal experience, publications, clerkship and recommendations are the most important things. School, because generally, schools are very conservative about what they consider good schools or not. So, if you go to a school outside of the top 15-17 schools, you will probably need an LLM in one of the teaching fellowships such as the ones at Georgetown, Wisconsin and the like. Journal experience gives some indication of grades, and scholarly interest/potential. Publications are important (and much more important for those that done have the JD from a high ranked school, or journal experience) as they show more than scholarly potential, but that you actually can produce high level scholarship. A cleriship is important because it again gives indication of scholarly potential. Recommendations are important for two reasons. While the importance of the recommender is important, I think the unequivical endorcement of the candidate is much more important. The recommender must speak of the candidate's ability to perform the three pillars of the academy, which are teaching, scholarship and service. I hope this is of some help.
Oh, and generally because getting into law teaching is such a competitive environment, most people typically cant name their starting location and often start off somewhere they had not thought they would start their career. There are some great schools out there outside the top 14 and those schools have some fantastic professors. If you wait around for NYU, Yale, Harvard and the like to call you for a position, you will probably be waiting around for a long time.
They are...called Flavorette. But don't think NY was all in love with him...she just wants exposure as well.
Hey dont knock it, there is something to be said for horny old man ways.
« on: October 16, 2006, 12:18:33 PM »
I would almost buy the preparing-you-for-the-courtroom argument if it were actually the case that most of these profs have actually argued in front of a judge. They haven't. It's more about their power trip than teaching you valuable life lessons.
Brother, I can dig what you are saying except that I dont necessarily (I have been in front on a few judges) have to have been in front of a judge to prepare you for being in front of a judge. And I dont know that we can make blanket assertions about the reason for trowing someone out of the classroom (re: power trippin'). I think you gotta know the professor and if he makes it a habit of doing that kind of thing or not and other factors that might go into that kind of decision.
« on: October 13, 2006, 05:06:31 PM »
lp, go back and read the op, the student effed up and thought he'd be excused from dicussing the case but didnt realize that a book isn't necessary and got caught out there, the prof could have verbally reprimanded the student for his bs but kicking him out of class is ridiculous, if it was the second time then fine but not the first. we all know that the student feels like the size of a pea for not be prepared in the first place so kicking him out was just spiteful
No hard feelings, I respect you L. Boogie. I just disagree with your position and you disagree with mine. I wouldnt have kicked him out of the class personally, but just becuase I wouldnt have, does not mean that my way of handling it is the ONLY way of handling it. I think it is crazy to not bring your book to class, but that is my opinion. And just becuase you dont have your book in class does not mean that you did not brief the case. It seems that student was unprepared and was using the book left home as an excuse. I have been on both sides of the law school classroom podium and I think you see things differently from either side.