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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 21, 2005, 01:57:50 PM »
Hey, what happened to the Howard and HBCU line of posts????? It is gone..someone got caught up in their feelings.

Hey, I responded to you lawprofesor but it was deleted. Good luck. Even if you misinterpreted my posts. I am impressed with how respectful you are and how you seem to take a step back and analyze people's posts. Good luck.

And faith2005, as someone who has met you. I don't for one second believe you "hate yourself". You are an incredibly intelligent and strong black person. Just from our interactions in person and online, I can tell that you have so much you want to contribute to our community.
See, and I had responded and when I hit post, it said this topic has been deleted or something.   It is like waking up and the earth being gone.  ;D  I saw your response, and in a nutshell I said, I wish you had responded like that from the beginning because that response I dont think anyone would have had a problem with...it was thoughtful and precise and very intelligently written and explained what you really where trying to say.  I am here to bring together and not to divide.  I just want luv and respect.  Good luck to you too, I wish you nothing but the best.  Well, all that interpretation comes from law school.  ;)  Hey, if anyone wishes to have any information about becoming a law professor, just hit me up and I will be more than willing to break you off some knowledge on that.  It is also important to think about that while you are still in law school because what you do there does have an impact on your getting a job in certain areas once you get out.  Hey blaqueangel, I with you nothing but greatness in everything that you do and always continue giving back to your people.....that is the only way we are going to improve as a people.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 21, 2005, 01:36:42 PM »
Hey, what happened to the Howard and HBCU line of posts????? It is gone..someone got caught up in their feelings.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 21, 2005, 11:59:17 AM »
Bump for my unreads cause I missed all of this.  It's too much to go back and read, but who said this?: "i am concerned about rankings, because i recognize that it makes a difference to how white folks perceive me and listen to me."



bp--that was me. its all good. i didn't realize that it would cause so much controversy, but hey, thats the way i feel. its based on my experiences.

Hey Faith, I feel you, but here is where I think your one flaw is with that theory.  White people are not going to listen to you anyway, even if you went to a prestigious institution.  They might listen to you after you have proven yourself, but usually you have to prove yourself over and over.  But it is cool.  I dont think your saying caused a controversy, just gave something for discussion.  Discussion is always good.  I dont have any personal anger toward you.  In my heart, I feel nothing but luv. :-*

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 21, 2005, 11:56:10 AM »

my perception that you thought black people graduating from ivy league schools didn't contribute was taken from the statement "They didn't do it by graduating from the IVY. They didn't get the white man to listen to them by graduating from the IVY." I was not really in this discussion or discussion board to come at any person in a way that is super confrontational, because that is just not who i am. i will be the first to admit that all black people have serious problems with self hatred and self acceptance. i think about those types of issues daily and i think that accepting the damage that white supremacy and colonization has done to us is the first step in beginning to take back the legacy of african people all over the world. i am one of those people who is planning to go into public interest/human rights law and i've been committed to this type of work in hs, college and today as well. because this is anonymous, you don't know me, and neither do most of the people on this board, so i really don't know why anyone would take the time to discuss my opinions on the way i pursue my education on their free time. its all good though. its all love in the end for me. my opinion on the issue of social change is that it comes from the bottom up, not from the top down, so the people are the ones that change situations, and they are the ones who made it possible for me to go to any school, anywhere. i guess i mean that my role in any of this is to use the gifts that i have, and they happen to be academic. there are others whose gifts are in organizing, and i see my role as helping to keep them out of jail, working, and helping to create self-sustaining institutions so that it will be possible for my children to have a path that allows them to avoid having to be apart of this sh** all together. and if thats what you're about, then more power to you.

Faith, I think you are on the proper path.  You are going to be giving back in your way and that is what it is all about.  I say Kudos to you.  Good luck with everything that you do and best of luck in your future plans as an attorney.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 08:18:38 PM »
thats funny hbcu, i don't have a problem with black folks from any school. i gained from the resources at the ivy league institution i graduated from. and imo i want to be able to speak for my community and have people listen. and trust, i have alot to say. there are black people who graduated from ivy league schools that have affected us as well. Dr. Dubois went to Fisk, then transferred to Harvard. Cornel West went to harvard too. i'm not about making white folks happy, i'm about forcing them to listen in whatever way possible, be it folks standing outside of the state capital building or me saying i studied this with ... at harvard for example. either way it goes, i don't think they will be happy about what i have to say...

thats funny, I don't think you even read my post. I NEVER said that you have a problem with black people. Period. I NEVER said that black people from IVY have not made contributions to the race.

You ARE about making white folks happy. It's in your quote. I'll put it up there for you again.

"i am concerned about rankings, because i recognize that it makes a difference to how white folks perceive me and listen to me."

WTF kinda sh*t if this coming out of your mouth? Is this what they teach you at the IVY school you graduated from? There is not ONE person on this board that agrees with this statement of yours. Not even One. This statement is an example of how much you hate yourself and that is ALL i'm talking about. 

Look, I think in the end, as the saying goes....there is more than one way to skin a cat.  You can go to an HBCU or you can go to IVY, as long as you are doing something positive and giving back, it does not matter.  The fight is not in where you decide to gain your knowledge, it is about gaining that knowledge and bringing it back and putting it to use for your people.  I didnt get my degrees from black institutions, but the education I received I am using in a positive way for my people as much as I can.  Whether you are a role model, a tutor, giving money, there are many ways to give back.  I think everyone is trying to get across the same point.  Lets not get caught up in semantics. 

One think I will point out Muse....You cant always think about yourself in the equation.  You said something like if helping someone was going to hurt you in reaching your ultimate goal, you wouldnt help.  But first, how do you know what is going to help you or hurt you.  And here is an example....you scored in the 99th percentile of the LSAT, right?  What if you would have scored in the 98th percentile but assisted someone else in scoring high enough to get into law school, but you couldnt have gone to the IVY of your choice, are you saying your wouldnt have helped that person?  By the same token, what if you would have dropped to the 90th percentile?  Sometimes there is a bigger picture and think about this, it is not the ultimate destination but the journey that is the important thing.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 08:06:09 PM »
Shoot, I don't care what negros or crackas think   :P :-* ;D

You stupid, Cole.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 08:05:22 PM »
you know u're on point with this... i remember having a layover one day on my way back to dc and i was one of the only black people sitting in the waiting area @ the time.. i was just sitting there actually..minding my own business...and this white guy was looking at me like i was crazy...

long story short.. i took my jacket off and just so happened to have on a law school sweatshirt.. at that point he decided that he was open for conversation. ::)

needless to say i gave him a piece of my mind about the fact that he deemed it necessary that a person of color had to be doing something that was "impressive" to his standards in order to be worthy of his conversation..

u know i respect all of you guys...but it did throw me off to read that some of you are concerned about white folks acceptance.... a lot of white folks are still going to view you as a N with a Harvard Law Degree (for example)... the school that you attend may get you in the door quicker.. but what you do with the knowledge that you obtain at these schools is what's impressive..

let's not live our lives trying to seek out the white man's approval..

"i am concerned about rankings, because i recognize that it makes a difference to how white folks perceive me and listen to me."

God, I would hate to live my life like this. Dr. King graduated from Morehouse College (An HBCU) with a 2.0 gpa. Thurgood Marshall Graduated from Howard Law (an HBCU) after he got reject from the University Of Maryland. These guys made if possible for ALL of you to go to the school of your choice. They didn't do it by graduating from the IVY. They didn't get the white man to listen to them by graduating from the IVY. They did it because they had conviction and they actually had something to say.

Don't make decisions about your life to make white people happy.

*Bows to you*  Look, lets be realistic, if we are going to operate in the real world we are going to have to be concerned about white people and what they think to a certain extent, white people run most things.  We have to be concerned to some extent or we will be at a disadvantage.  But with that concern must come the ability to rise above it and not let it control you, your actions and who you become. 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 06:25:00 PM »
Faith, your post is very much on point. Although a degree is just a piece of paper, it does open a lot of doors in our society and get folks to listen to what you have to say. My question is how can you help someone when your own business is not on point? In my eyes, you might end up dragging the person down instead of lifting them you know?

i am not sure i understand exactly what you mean, but i do think that apart of having your business on point is giving back. you look at someone like kenneth chenault, or some of the foundations out there and their method was to become apart of the corporate world, and then fund the institutions that they agree with, even bill cosby's hbcu/temple fund was something similar to that. their gifts are different than mine, so i don't see myself doing the corporate thing as a career, but they have made philanthropy a priority in their personal lives for a reason i think. my personal opinion though is that all it takes is helping one person to change the world. just think, what if malcolm x's mentor in prison hadn't reached out to him. or his brother hadn't written to him. those men weren't necessarily "on point" in terms of their business, they were strugglin too, but them taking those few seconds to reach back changed the world. i believe that when you help other people, you can't help but be lifted. ok, i'll stop being so damn cheesy :D

AMEN, Tell it like it is, Sista!!!

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 05:45:32 PM »
I'm all about the "I" because "I" own you.  ::) 

Ahhhh, a comedian.  Well we will see how funny you are after your first semester of law school!!!   ;D


(Gulp) (In a soft voice) I aint skerd!  >:(

you should be, SU aint no joke....I am going to call my professor friends there to get you.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 05:35:55 PM »
The examples you guys are using are extreme.

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My problem is that you have people who are selfish, keep their outlines to themselves, study techniques kept to themselves, keeping things that are helpful to themselves, but the first time anyone else has anything they are the first in line to try to get it.  

There is a difference between working smart and just being a straight jackass. I share my notes and give study techniques all the time but I don't call that giving back to the community per se nor do I expect anything in return. I'll use the Lsats for example. I scored in the 99th percentile. While I was studying I didn't really help anyone because I was struggling to master the exam myself. Hell if I offered any kind of assistance during that time, I might have caused someone to blow the test themselves.  However after my results came in and everything was all said and done I offered my notes and even tutored people free of charge I knew were struggle. Let me make clear that those individuals were making efforts to help themselves. They didn't expect me to do all the work or take the freaking test for them. Some people would see that as me giving back, while I view it as being a decent human being. There is right and there is wrong. Hiding notes or tearing pages out of book is beyond ridiculous. My accomplishments didnít come from stepping on others or expecting a hand out.

Lets keep it real for a moment; Martin Luther King and Malcolm X give back. The little stuff we do is remedial compared to the strides those men made in society.  Nevertheless I still believe that you canít help anyone unless you help yourself first. Iíll use an example a pretty intelligent person recently said to me  ďHow are you going to be helping someone when you are eating government cheese yourself?Ē No pun intended but you see my point? Clean your own house first...


Hey Muse, I get you now, and I see what you were saying.  I say what you did is giving back.  I applaud anyone who has the fortitude to turn around and assist others behind them to achieve. And let me tell you, there are many people out there who have outlines and dont offer them, and have information and dont tell it.  They view that as looking out for themselves because if they are they only person of color with the information, they figure they will get the highest score.  I understand if you are studying for the LSAT you cant really help others because you dont know if what you are doing is right.  However, there are always ways of assisting people, be it giving encouragement to people, or giving them a push when they look like they are about to quit.  It does not have to be teaching them how to do something after you finished doing it.

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